Way too much for a fb. I know they have lots of cap room but you lose that cap room fast by signing average players to large dealsKyle Juszczyk signed
I like this deal a lot. Much rather they signed him than DeMarco. Solid receiver and a good blocker.
A lot of money for a FB, but screw it, they need players and have the money. I know he barely carried the ball, but I saw him make a 10 yard TD against Pittsburgh, where he broke about 4 tackles, so maybe he should get the rock a 3-4 times a game.
Watson (or Trubisky) is one of the definite possibilities of the Hoyer signing. The other is Cousins coming next year when they don't have to give any compensation, assuming Washington won't tag him at 34 million.I really hope we don't get Cousins. Just not a fan of his game. Sure, he's accumulated stats, but to me he's a notch above DeBerg and below Alex Smith.
Ok with all the rest of the signings as we had cap room to play. Most should be 1-2 yr deals in reality while our draft classes develop. I hope.
I know I'm in the minority, but still like DeShon Watson as our QBOTF with Hoyer holding down the fort for a year.
Because "winning cultures" are not hinged solely on coaches, because say you fired a winning coach for a Jim Tomsula.What's your point? Luke Walton can't be judged on this season.
Jess Garcia?Cousins is still young and learning. He would come cheap next year, I just hope his confidence isn't shot after this season since his top targets (Garcon and Desean) are gone...I don't see him posting similar numbers from his past 2 seasons with the roster in Washington.
Jess Garcia wasn't a "special player" but I always thought we had a chance when we had him. He put up good numbers and was a gamer. We haven't had a QB that could throw for 4000 yards and 30 tds since...Cousins can be that guy, and having a coach and QB with history who like each other and are on the same page isn't a bad thing. It all hinges on the OL play, they need to keep him upright and I think this team could be fun to watch again.
Cousins career has been mirroring Drew Brees for the past 2 years. In fact at the same age, his past 2 years are better than Brees'.I really hope we don't get Cousins. Just not a fan of his game. Sure, he's accumulated stats, but to me he's a notch above DeBerg and below Alex Smith.
Ok with all the rest of the signings as we had cap room to play. Most should be 1-2 yr deals in reality while our draft classes develop. I hope.
I know I'm in the minority, but still like DeShon Watson as our QBOTF with Hoyer holding down the fort for a year.
Cousins IMO is not a franchise QB, and with the current crap show that is the 49ers, can regress back into the horrid INT prone QB he was.Cousins career has been mirroring Drew Brees for the past 2 years. In fact at the same age, his past 2 years are better than Brees'.
Good point. Still relatively young for a QB and only a 2 year starter. I would like them to work out a deal with Washington that doesn't involve the #2 pick.Cousins career has been mirroring Drew Brees for the past 2 years. In fact at the same age, his past 2 years are better than Brees'.
My 4 year old called him JethJess is what we used to call Jeff in Canada.
I think that's how Jeff himself pronounced it as well.....................My 4 year old called him Jeth
??Cousins IMO is not a franchise QB, and with the current crap show that is the 49ers, can regress back into the horrid INT prone QB he was.
As a fan of both teams, I'd say the situations are quite different. The 49ers broke up a winning culture by firing Harbaugh and hiring a coach no one else wanted. The Lakers had a losing culture and statistically the worst coach in NBA history and replaced him with a prodigy everyone wanted. Everyone knew Tomsula would be a disaster other than cocky SF management. I think Walton will turn things around as the young players develop and better players are brought in. There were no expectations this season with three starters 21 or under and losing the best option. I'll have no expectations for Shanahan this season for the same reasons. I hope they Suck for Sam.Because "winning cultures" are not hinged solely on coaches, because say you fired a winning coach for a Jim Tomsula.
Now tell me if Tomsula was judged unfairly for one season.
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If you are trowing more INTs than TDs even in a limited role, you are pretty much an INT prone QB even in a limited backup role. Even Cousins himself alluded to all those INTs he threw in those first three seasons as he making poor decisions.??
2012: 3 games, 48 attempts, 4tds, 3ints (6.3 int%)
2013: 5 games, 155 attempts, 4tds, 7ints (4.5 int%)
2014: 6 games, 204 attempts, 10tds, 9ints (4.4 int%)
2015: 16 games, 543 attempts, 29tds, 11ints (2.0 int%)
2016: 16 games, 606 attempts, 25tds, 12ints (2.0 int%)
You cant really say he was int prone the first 3 years in limited duty...not enough reps, almost no chance for chemistry or to get settled in the offense. Once given the reigns hes been solid, and his int percentage has steadily gone down to a very respectable 2.0% the past 2 years (his only 2 years as a full time starter).
Well, the Lakers right now are in a bit of a tug of war within the ownership, and Jeanie had to take over because Jimbo was crapping the bed. But I don't believe Walton that much of a prodigy since anybody could had rolled the ball out with that GSW team and won games.As a fan of both teams, I'd say the situations are quite different. The 49ers broke up a winning culture by firing Harbaugh and hiring a coach no one else wanted. The Lakers had a losing culture and statistically the worst coach in NBA history and replaced him with a prodigy everyone wanted. Everyone knew Tomsula would be a disaster other than cocky SF management. I think Walton will turn things around as the young players develop and better players are brought in. There were no expectations this season with three starters 21 or under and losing the best option. I'll have no expectations for Shanahan this season for the same reasons. I hope they Suck for Sam.
drummer said:If you are trowing more INTs than TDs even in a limited role, you are pretty much an INT prone QB even in a limited backup role. Even Cousins himself alluded to all those INTs he threw in those first three seasons as he making poor decisions.
Oh, and guess who his offensive coordinator was for the first two?
Kyle Shanahan
You're clearly holding deep hatred for the organization. In your eyes, as long as Jed and Marathe are there, this team will never be competitive again. And you're allowed to have that opinion, but dammit man, Cousins has never been INT prone as you put it, he was a rookie QB learning the ropes. All young QBs make mistakes and throw some picks, especially when they play sparingly here and there. As a full time starter, hes never been prone to throw INTs, so I'm not getting why you'd think he might "regress" back to what he was when he was essentially a rookie.
But whatever, hes not even a 49er, so the point is moot.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/12/12/kirk-cousins-credits-jon-gruden-with-helping-curb-interceptions/One in particular that’s plagued him since his interception laden 2014 season, that he has difficulty shaking interceptions, is a plot line which seems to rear its head on game broadcasts each and every time he throws an interception. That, despite his overwhelming 52:20 touchdown-to-interception ratio over the past two seasons falling in stark contrast to his 10:9 ratio three seasons ago.
It happened again on Sunday, when Cousins, with the Redskins leading the Eagles 21-13 in the fourth quarter, threw an interception to defensive back Leodis McKelvin, who returned it for a timely Eagles touchdown.
“People can say what they want,” Cousins told Grant Paulsen and Danny Rouhier Monday on 106.7 The Fan’s Under Center, driven by the Lindsay Automotive Group.
“What gets misperceived is that in 2014, if I really was afraid of getting the ball back, I wouldn’t have kept throwing picks,” he said. “Part of it was I was too aggressive, I was too eager. You know, I’d get the ball back and I’d say, ‘I’m gonna fix this’ and then I’d throw a pick, so it was almost reining it back in.”
Cmon man. It's in black and white.Blah blah blah
He was reigning it back in because he was a damn rookie (3rd year, yes...but not even a full season of starts under his belt) I'm getting tired of saying it...since he's been a full time starter, INTs haven't been an issue at 2.0%.What gets misperceived is that in 2014, if I really was afraid of getting the ball back, I wouldn’t have kept throwing picks,” he said. “Part of it was I was too aggressive, I was too eager. You know, I’d get the ball back and I’d say, ‘I’m gonna fix this’ and then I’d throw a pick, so it was almost reining it back in
Let me ask you to do some research since you really don't know how.Cmon man. It's in black and white.
He was reigning it back in because he was a damn rookie (3rd year, yes...but not even a full season of starts under his belt) I'm getting tired of saying it...since he's been a full time starter, INTs haven't been an issue at 2.0%.
Its a fact. You're grasping at straws to try to prove your point. I'll save myself the work and let you post the INT percentage of all starting QBs over the past 2 seasons...but don't water it down by posting the % of QBS with 50+ passes...let's up the ante by posting the percentage of QBs with let's say...300+ attempts over the past 2 seasons, to weed out the non factor and limited duty QBs.
Ill hang up and listen.
Dammit Wingnut. Now everyone will get another novel on how he used to write for Niner Nation, therefore making him the utmost expert on the eternal and irreversible fall of the 49ers, and how anyone who still enjoys discussing the team with even a hint of hope for the future is delusional and a pawn for the York family.Oh man...I just realized hat I keep asking you questions, which is pretty much asking you to post more. I must be a glutton for punishment.
I asked you if he is better than Eli Manning first. You have yet to answer that question, and when you do, you are closer to the cookie jar.Wingnut said:So you post a SINGLE GAME stat line to back up your blanket statement?
Straw grasping at its finest. Congrats, you've passed every troll in the 49er threads. ImTheScientist's posts aren't as painful as yours, bro.
I have a serious question tho. What do my past posts expressing disappointment have to do with what's happening now? Totally different year, personell, and situation on every level.
Oh man...I just realized that I keep asking you questions, which is pretty much asking you to post more. I must be a glutton for punishment.
And kudos for using an autocorrect (Jess vs Jeff) as ammo. It really shows your level of petiness. We all know his name is Jeff. I don't always proofread my posts, and autocorrect sometimes "fixes" what it thinks is wrong. I probably typed Jegg or Jedd as Im not awesome on touch keyboards...and yet that was the only thing you keyed on. Way to go. From now on I'll try to make sure every name is correct, even though we all know exactly who I was talking about.
It your head Mr Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless 49er Season.efactor said:Dammit Wingnut. Now everyone will get another novel on how he used to write for Niner Nation, therefore making him the utmost expert on the eternal and irreversible fall of the 49ers, and how anyone who still enjoys discussing the team with even a hint of hope for the future is delusional and a pawn for the York family.
Thanks buddy....................
No, you give up on a season faster than Browns fans, so therefore the reason why all those threads like:Wingnut said:Oh, and Mike Glennon just got a $19 million guaranteed for having a 5-13 record as a starter...is he worth it? Market value is changing before our eyes, bud. But you keep trying to qualify what a "franchise QB" should make.
And lastly, EVERY year we get a new 49er thread here, boom or bust. It has nothing to do with how they finish...it just so happens that they've been underwhelming the past few years. Even when they went to the SB, we got a new thread. So your post showing the end of the year "new thread" posts is pretty weak. Of COURSE I'm gonna say "let's start new" when a season ends bad. What should I do, say "Hey, we're winning it all next year, let's start a new thread so it can be ALL WINNING"?
LOLZ
Anyone following the 49ers' upheaval the last month ran across the name of Paraag Marathe. The assistant to the general manager's rapid ascension within the 49ers caught the notice of the rest of the league during the team's recent shakeup.
Who is this 28-year-old whiz kid? How did this man with an MBA from Stanford with little grounding in football become one of four people choosing the 49ers' next coach and establishing the direction of an organization adrift? Because nobody knew the answers to these questions, Marathe became a lightning rod for the general dismay with the organization among columnists, radio talk-show hosts and even the NFL set, who openly wondered what he was doing in the team's brain trust.
Marathe (pronounced mah-RAH-tay) became the unwitting victim of what many perceived as co-owner John York's NFL ignorance. It's a fact this business consultant from San Jose, via Cal and Stanford, impressed York after then- general manager Terry Donahue brought him in and was a big influence on the coaching search. But he is not expected to play a major role, as yet, in the organization.
Still, there was cause for wonder, when York didn't lean on someone such as personnel consultant Bill McPherson, who has been working for the 49ers for the past 24 years and has a 50-year association with football, to find and hire a head coach. Instead, York chose Marathe and assistant director of football administration Terry Tumey to assist him.
A new way to draft
Until this offseason, Marathe was known to those who followed the 49ers closely as a product of Donahue's search for a new way to analyze the draft.
Donahue, as he replaced Bill Walsh in 2000, realized he didn't possess Walsh's unparalleled draft-day instincts. He needed to find another way. One general manager who met with Donahue during this process said the former UCLA head coach was looking for a "magic book -- something that would tell him how to do this."
In searching for an answer, Donahue reverted to his business background, and in 2001 he contacted Bain & Company, a consulting firm that develops business strategies. Specifically, Donahue wanted Bain to update the old Gil Brandt system of assigning values to slots in the draft.
In the 1970s, Brandt, who was the Cowboys' personnel head, put a value on each draft pick, so on draft day the Cowboys could quickly reject or accept trades. For example, Brandt wanted to know if the 23rd overall selection was worth trading for the 57th and 58th choices.
Bain sent Marathe. His draft analysis was so incisive, Donahue hired him shortly after they met.
Marathe worked for the 49ers full-time in 2001 and then entered Stanford's business school the next year. While working on projects for the 49ers, Marathe earned his MBA.
"Stanford business school discourages students from having jobs," said IMG vice president Steve Tseng, who mentored Marathe when Marathe interned at the large sports-entertainment firm while an undergraduate at Cal. "He was working 45 hours a week."
York's golden boy
The industrious Marathe won the admiration of York, a licensed pathologist who admittedly relied heavily on his business background (running laboratories and race tracks) to steer his ownership of the 49ers.
"John is a scientist," a source close to York said on the condition of anonymity. "He loves proofs and statistical models."
In his projects, Marathe created graphs and charts that impressed York. After working with the 49ers for 18 months, Marathe befriended Jed York, John's eldest son. Seemingly, as the 23-year-old Jed became more visible at the 49ers' headquarters, eventually joining high-level meetings, so did Marathe.
Marathe's ascension coincided with the departure of Walsh and director of football operations John McVay, which could have been more than a coincidence. Privately, neither liked the statistical approach Donahue espoused. Marathe and his computer shot down Walsh and McVay's trade proposals during the 2003 draft. This didn't sit well with either man, who had built the 49ers' success partly on their impulses.
Contacted recently, Walsh didn't want to comment on the team's direction.
"Can a computer help determine who you pick on draft day?" Walsh asked. "I don't know, maybe it can."
Donahue also declined to comment.
As Walsh's influence faded, Donahue's system, which he kept secret for the most part, took root. Donahue and York allowed Marathe to hire interns to watch film and provide the scouting department with new statistics on players.
But Dennis Erickson's old-school coaches weren't informed of these hires. So they walked past Marathe's interns "breaking down" film and wondered what was going on.
In the meantime, Donahue instituted a "tick" system whereby coaches and scouts had to dole out ticks in their player evaluations and then a percentage was determined. Ticks were earned on production -- the number of catches made compared to passes thrown, the number of blocks executed, the number of tackles made when a player was in position to tackle.
Thus, it could be said that a linebacker made a tackle 83 percent of the time he had the opportunity.
Some scouts and coaches found the information useless and a distraction from actually evaluating what the player could do.
Meanwhile, York was making cuts to nearly every department, and seemingly the only area that was expanding belonged to Marathe.
Clash of styles
Coaches and scouts felt usurped and then frustrated when several of the draft picks weren't productive. Erickson lost confidence in Donahue's system, particularly in light of the disastrous results on the field.
Through all of this, Marathe feels that his influence was greatly misconstrued.
"What I do is only a tool," he said. "When you are making an investment of $20 million in a player, you want as much information as possible."
Marathe also maintains that the development of his area was never meant to minimize scouting.
"Nothing that was developed cannibalized our scouting or personnel," Marathe said. "If it did cannibalize that part of it, I wouldn't want to be involved in it anymore. Scouting is the lifeblood of the (evaluation process) and it always will be."
In fact, personnel only consumes a quarter of his duties, Marathe said. Most of his time is spent on salary-cap analysis.
Nevertheless, Marathe was asked by York to lead the head-coaching research, and his profile skyrocketed.
Marathe studied 120 coaches to determine where the most successful NFL coaches come from, and what makes them excel once they have the job. Along with other factors, Marathe discovered that coaches who were with successful teams and worked with winning coaches made the best future coach.
The 49ers' short list of candidates was determined partly by Marathe's criteria. The interview process included a meal with John and Jed York, and then a sit-down with John York, Marathe and Tumey. York ultimately determined the next man to lead the 49ers.
York said Marathe was involved in the head-coaching interviews because York trusted him. Marathe had helped billion-dollar corporations hire CEO's when he was at Bain, and like it or not, an NFL head coach must have CEO characteristics in today's NFL.
It might have been assumed Marathe would influence York to hire a coach who embraced Marathe's statistical program. Of the five candidates, Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz was the most enamored of statistical analysis and Ravens defensive coordinator Mike Nolan the least.
Nolan was hired, and even though Marathe will have significant say in salary-cap matters, he's not the power broker many assumed he would be when he was included in the interview process.
"I think Paraag is clearly the salary-cap person and negotiator, I don't think at this point in time that Paraag has the experience to be the general manager," York said. "I think over time that he could."
A win for Marathe
With Donahue's dismissal, the personnel department has been granted more freedom in its evaluation process. A team of three high school coaches was assembled by Marathe to watch film and determine the "ticks," not the coaches or scouts. Nolan, who will help hire the personnel head, is likely to favor a man with more NFL football grounding than Donahue possessed.
Nevertheless, Marathe will continue to make a mark on the organization and many within the building believe that could be a positive.
"The only environment where you'd be ashamed to have an MBA from Stanford is the NFL," said Kirk Reynolds, the team's director of public relations. "He's a guy who can bring a different thought-process."
lol, i was just thinking the 49ers thread is almost as disfuntional as last year's team. Hoping for a better year for both in '17This blog by Drummer and Wingnut is awesome, by why is it on FBG?
Thank you. Your kind hopes are appreciated, and while I believe that 2017 results will show that the team is headed in a positive direction, I don't have that same belief for this thread.lol, i was just thinking the 49ers thread is almost as disfuntional as last year's team. Hoping for a better year for both in '17
Most fans are in agreement on this at this point, but time to move on and talk about something other than how the team sucks because of the Yorks and Marathe.You may think drummer is trolling, but his assessment of the Yorks and especially Marathe is spot on.
It took an ego as big as Harbaugh's to shield the team from Maratheball and my hope for the team is that Lynch is the type of guy who can do that, as well. Because as long as Marathe and Jed are doing anything apart from setting up contracts, this franchise will remain a ####show.
My thing is, if you look at the timeline starting with that old Marathe article to present day, and the win/loss records, the only outlying "data point" is the only head coach that didn't follow the York norm:Most fans are in agreement on this at this point, but time to move on and talk about something other than how the team sucks because of the Yorks and Marathe.
Professional sports are a form of entertainment for even most hard core fans. 49ers fans who followed the team in the 80 and 90's watched an amazing run of success. Up and down since then, more down that up, but part of the fun of following football is to speculate what needs to be done to turn things around. Just going with the "everything sucks and is hopeless" stance isn't my idea of entertainment, but hey, that's just me. My life isn't defined by how my sports team is currently performing. Big SF Giants fan and the 3 titles were a lot of fun, but in the end, it didn't impact my day to day life any more that when they were the laughing stock of the National League.
I feel pretty good about both the Lynch (he hired Peters away from the Broncos) and Shanahan hires. I apologize in advance..........................