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*** Official 2017 SF 49ers thread *** see original post or latest post for link to new 2018 thread (1 Viewer)

Call me a pessimist but I just think this is a lost decade for this team.  I don't know where it's all going but man these guys are going to stink.  There is little talent on the team or staff.  We are entering Cleveland Browns territory here

 
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/kyle-shanahan-san-francisco-49ers-offensive-coordinator-falcons-offense-super-bowl-51/1dd8pozctx6rk1kebqd5edoe7j


New 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan will not hire offensive coordinator


New 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan will not hire an offensive coordinator, and plans to call his own plays next season, according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport.

Shanahan, who coordinated the NFL's highest-scoring offense last season, has lots of experience leading offenses: He had OC stints with the Texans (2008-2009), Redskins (2010-2013), Browns (2014) and Falcons (2015-16).

Rapoport noted that Shanahan intends on hiring Falcons offensive assistant Mike McDaniel as the team's "run-game guru," and Rich Scangarello as the quarterbacks coach.

The Falcons scored 540 points in the regular season, tied with the 2000 Rams for the seventh-highest scoring offense in NFL history. The 49ers named Shanahan their head coach on Monday. At 37, Shanahan is the second-youngest head coach in the NFL behind the Rams’ Sean McVay, 30.

It's common for head coaches to call their team's plays, though Shanahan's decision to not even hire an offensive coordinator is a bold one. Fixing a 49ers offense that finished 27th in the league in points per game (19.3) and 31st yards per game (308.1) would be challenging for anyone, let alone a first-year coach without a starting quarterback.

 
Yeah the no OC makes no sense to me. Of course Shanahan is going to call plays and design the offense, as that's the only thing he brings to the table that qualified him for the job in the first place. But you have to bring in an offensive mind he's comfortable with to help with game planning and to delegate things to in the meeting rooms. 

 
If the offense stinks, who you gonna blame? Chokashan should know this when you are anybody in Santa Clara: always have someone to blame, always. It's Scapegoat City there. He already is making crucial mistakes. 

 
I think they definitely should take a pass.  They need to put some talent on the team first.  Heck sign a sean hill or nick foles for a couple of years.  Build some talent around them, draft a rookie and let them sit on the bench.  

You throw a rookie out with that talent and he is going to get killed

 
killface said:
I think they definitely should take a pass.  They need to put some talent on the team first.  Heck sign a sean hill or nick foles for a couple of years.  Build some talent around them, draft a rookie and let them sit on the bench.  

You throw a rookie out with that talent and he is going to get killed
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Even if they were to draft a QB I'm sure they wouldn't make him start right away. And they're gonna need a stop gap until they find a long term answer. It's not gonna happen overnight, this team is a couple of years away minimum from being decent again.

 
I think Adam Peters is the single most important hire to the front office in years. Having someone who can actually scout talent is gonna be strange. 

 
Wingnut said:
Even if they were to draft a QB I'm sure they wouldn't make him start right away. And they're gonna need a stop gap until they find a long term answer. It's not gonna happen overnight, this team is a couple of years away minimum from being decent again.
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There is always huge pressure to start the star rookie.  i guarantee if they draft a qb at the top of the draft and they are 1-6 there will be many calls to start the qb and they eventually will.  

 
Wingnut said:
I think Adam Peters is the single most important hire to the front office in years. Having someone who can actually scout talent is gonna be strange. 
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Ummm, Scot McGlouhan ring a bell? He actually found a guy with torn ACLs that like, worked out in Frank Gore.

All the talent he is responsible left after Jed screwed Harbaugh over. Like Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, etc.

 
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You can have a neW fresh face puppet for a GM, some new hot shot talent evaluator who is unproven as a  VP of Personnel, and some new hot shot head coach who just blew a Super Bowl. But remains out of all that is: 

MARATHEBALL. THAT STILL REMAINS PEOPLE.

 
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drummer said:
You can have a neW fresh face puppet for a GM, some new hot shot talent evaluator who is unproven as a  VP of Personnel, and some new hot shot head coach who just blew a Super Bowl. But remains out of all that is: 

MARATHEBALL. THAT STILL REMAINS PEOPLE.
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You must have forgot that just a few years ago we had a super bowl caliber team. Sure, it didn't last because of the FO shenanigans, but saying it can't or won't happen again is silly. Nobody knows. 

You can throw out all the past history and hate you want, it's not gonna change the fact that I'm gonna continue to hope that one of these days things fall into place again and the FO doesn't rock the boat. Not holding my breath though.

 
Wingnut said:
Yeah, and like I said, is been quite some time since we had a good talent scout and evaluator.
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About 7 years, and within that time frame 3 consecutive playoffs, one Super Bowl trip and three NFCC appearances. 

You know what screwed that all up don't you? 

MARATHE

 
Wingnut said:
You must have forgot that just a few years ago we had a super bowl caliber team. Sure, it didn't last because of the FO shenanigans, but saying it can't or won't happen again is silly. Nobody knows. 

You can throw out all the past history and hate you want, it's not gonna change the fact that I'm gonna continue to hope that one of these days things fall into place again and the FO doesn't rock the boat. Not holding my breath though.
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Actually I didn't if you read what I just posted.

 
drummer said:
About 7 years, and within that time frame 3 consecutive playoffs, one Super Bowl trip and three NFCC appearances. 

You know what screwed that all up don't you? 

MARATHE
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How could any of us not? Youve only posted it about a thousand times. We get it. Can we discuss things without being so repetitive? Thanks in advance, buddy. 

 
Actually, after a quick search, you only dropped Marathes name in 50 posts, not a thousand. I guessed a little high. But still.

 
Wingnut said:
How could any of us not? Youve only posted it about a thousand times. We get it. Can we discuss things without being so repetitive? Thanks in advance, buddy. 
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Look, you are better off waiting for a comet to swing by and pick you up to take you to the mothership than to buy into Jed again. I mean he said Tomsula was Steve Kerr for comet's sake. Then they fire him for Kelly, who posted a worse regular season than Hedgehog. 

I try to help you guys out but you can't blame me for knowing when Jed is gonna slap Curly. The 49er Stooges deliver that brand of entertainment to you, so just embrace it. 

Heck, I will post a how to later on today.

 
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killface said:
I think they definitely should take a pass.  They need to put some talent on the team first.  Heck sign a sean hill or nick foles for a couple of years.  Build some talent around them, draft a rookie and let them sit on the bench.  

You throw a rookie out with that talent and he is going to get killed
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 the best position group on the team is the OL and there's a decent starting RB. That's not usually the case on awful teams like this. If they also brought in some WR talent at the same time the QB would have a chance. 

 
thecatch said:
 the best position group on the team is the OL and there's a decent starting RB. That's not usually the case on awful teams like this. If they also brought in some WR talent at the same time the QB would have a chance. 
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According to Football Outsiders, the Niners O-line ranked dead last in run support and only a lowly 30th in pass protection. The 47 sacks allowed ranked No. 3 in the NFL. While many of these can be attributed to quarterback play, it’s pretty clear the 49ers O-line isn’t up to par.

 
killface said:
According to Football Outsiders, the Niners O-line ranked dead last in run support and only a lowly 30th in pass protection. The 47 sacks allowed ranked No. 3 in the NFL. While many of these can be attributed to quarterback play, it’s pretty clear the 49ers O-line isn’t up to par.
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Fair enough. Didn't realize they were that bad last year. Seems like there's some decent talent there if Staley is still on the team. 

 
thecatch said:
Fair enough. Didn't realize they were that bad last year. Seems like there's some decent talent there if Staley is still on the team. 
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I only realized that because i read it the other day 

I should have attributed that as a direct quote as well

 
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18678842/san-francisco-49ers-likely-hire-robert-saleh-new-dc

San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan is expected to hire former Jacksonville Jaguars linebackers coach Robert Saleh as his defensive coordinator, a source told ESPN.

Saleh, 38, coached the Jaguars linebackers for the past three seasons.

Saleh, who worked with Shanahan during their time with the Houston Texans, interviewed for the 49ers defensive coordinator job over the weekend.

Another source told ESPN that 49ers head-coaching candidate Tom Cable had Saleh on his list of potential assistant coaches had Cable gotten the job. Cable and Saleh worked together with the Seattle Seahawks for three seasons.

 
Kyle Shanahan will be calling the offensive plays as the head coach of the San Francisco 49ers. That makes it unnecessary to formally announce an offensive coordinator for the team. What the 49ers will have is a run game specialist and that man will be Mike McDaniel, who previously served as an offensive assistant with the Atlanta Falcons.

McDaniel spent the past two seasons serving under Shanahan with the Falcons and has been rumored as a potential candidate to join the 49ers in some role. He spent the 2014 season as the wide receivers coach with the Cleveland Browns, again under Shanahan. Prior to joining the staff in Cleveland, he spent three seasons with the Washington Redskins, starting as an offensive assistant in 2011 before being promoted to wide receivers coach in 2013.

 
Wingnut said:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18678842/san-francisco-49ers-likely-hire-robert-saleh-new-dc

San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan is expected to hire former Jacksonville Jaguars linebackers coach Robert Saleh as his defensive coordinator, a source told ESPN.

Saleh, 38, coached the Jaguars linebackers for the past three seasons.

Saleh, who worked with Shanahan during their time with the Houston Texans, interviewed for the 49ers defensive coordinator job over the weekend.

Another source told ESPN that 49ers head-coaching candidate Tom Cable had Saleh on his list of potential assistant coaches had Cable gotten the job. Cable and Saleh worked together with the Seattle Seahawks for three seasons.
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Cool, glad they got another experienced veteran who really knows the job inside and out. 

 
Wingnut said:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18678842/san-francisco-49ers-likely-hire-robert-saleh-new-dc

San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan is expected to hire former Jacksonville Jaguars linebackers coach Robert Saleh as his defensive coordinator, a source told ESPN.

Saleh, 38, coached the Jaguars linebackers for the past three seasons.

Saleh, who worked with Shanahan during their time with the Houston Texans, interviewed for the 49ers defensive coordinator job over the weekend.

Another source told ESPN that 49ers head-coaching candidate Tom Cable had Saleh on his list of potential assistant coaches had Cable gotten the job. Cable and Saleh worked together with the Seattle Seahawks for three seasons.
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Don't know anything about the guy, but figured they weren't going to get a big name, experienced DC at this point.  Glad they didn't hire one of the Ryan brothers..................

 
And the theme of First Timers just keeps rolling.

The San Francisco 49ers were reportedly considering two candidates for their special teams coordinator vacancy. The first was Chicago Bears assistant special teams coach Richard Hightower, who was reportedly their top candidate, and the second was Atlanta Falcons assistant special teams coach Eric Sutulovich. According to Adam Caplan of ESPN, Hightower will get the job.

49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan and Hightower were teammates at the University of Texas and then served on the same staffs with the Houston Texans (2006-08), Washington Redskins (2010-13), and Cleveland Browns (2014). While Hightower has never been a coordinator, he has been a member of the 49ers coaching staff before. He served as the team's assistant special teams coach in 2015.

During that season with the 49ers, Hightower helped the punt coverage unit rank eighth in the NFL allowing just 6.4 yards per return, while working with rookie punter Bradley Pinion. Kicker Phil Dawson was 10th in the NFL with an 88.9 field goal percentage, which tied for the fourth-highest percentage of his 17-year career.

Hightower joined the Chicago staff in January of 2016.

 
You can't really expect them to put together a stellar cast this late in the game, and does it really matter?  This team will be lucky to get 4 wins next year.  You can upgrade the coaching staff next season where needed.

 
Braktastic said:
You can't really expect them to put together a stellar cast this late in the game, and does it really matter?  This team will be lucky to get 4 wins next year.  You can upgrade the coaching staff next season where needed.
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There was some talk of them trying to bring Fangio back but the Bears wouldn't release him from his contract.  Wonder if that is in play for next year.

 
Who says you dont dismiss owners?

LOS ANGELES -- Los Angeles Lakers Governor Jeanie Buss announced today that the team has named Earvin "Magic" Johnson as President of Basketball Operations. In addition, General Manager Mitch Kupchak has been relieved of his duties, effective immediately. Furthermore, Jim Buss will no longer hold his role as Lakers Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations.
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http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/170221-magic-johnson-president-basketball-operations/

 
Braktastic said:
You can't really expect them to put together a stellar cast this late in the game, and does it really matter?  This team will be lucky to get 4 wins next year.  You can upgrade the coaching staff next season where needed.
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Or just maybe all those first timers don't know how to put a good staff together.

^^^^^

most plausible reason

 
lhttp://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-sign-ex-Dolphin-DT-to-four-year-deal-10958198.php




49ers sign ex-Dolphins DT Earl Mitchell


One year after they signed only one starter during free agency, the 49ers have matched that total two weeks before the start of the new league year.
In the first significant signing of general manager John Lynch’s tenure, the 49ers agreed to terms Friday with former Dolphins defensive tackle Earl Mitchell. The four-year, $16 million deal will include $5.5 million in 2017, a source said.

Mitchell, 29, was released by Miami last week in a cost-cutting move. He had been scheduled to earn a $2.975 million base salary with the Dolphins.

In 2016, the 49ers lone free-agent signings were starting guard Zane Beadles and third-string quarterback Thad Lewis.

The 49ers were attracted by Mitchell’s relentless effort and high character. And they’re presumably intrigued by his potential to plug some of the leaks in their wretched run defense. Last year, the 49ers set an NFL record by allowing 100-yard rushers in seven straight games and surrendered the sixth-most rushing yards (2,654) since 1990.Mitchell, 6-foot-3 and 310 pounds, is known for his run-stuffing ability and has 5.5 sacks in a seven-season, 38-start career spent with Houston (2010-13) and Miami (2014-16). Last year, Mitchell suffered a calf injury, but the Dolphins activated him from injured reserve to play in their final nine games.

Niners defensive line coach Jeff Zgonina was a defensive assistant with the Texans when Mitchell was there in 2013.

The 49ers’ poor run defense last year did get a boost as nose tackle Glenn Dorsey gradually returned to form after suffering a torn anterior cruciate ligament in November 2015. However, Dorsey, 31, is scheduled to become a free agent. He has missed 38 of 80 games since 2012 because of injuries.

In another signing Friday, the 49ers agreed to a two-year deal with wide receiver DeAndre Carter, a San Jose native who had a school-record 99 receptions at Sacramento State in 2014.

Carter, 23, is an undrafted free agent who spent time on the practice squads of the Raiders and Patriots in 2015. He was not in the NFL last year after New England waived him as part of its final roster cuts.

Carter, 5-foot-8 and 190 pounds, was a first-team FCS All-American after a senior season that included 1,321 yards and 17 touchdowns. He finished his college career with 207 catches, 2,760 yards and 35 scores.


 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/23/jim-harbaugh-suggests-he-should-get-a-medal-for-lasting-four-years-with-49ers/


Jim Harbaugh suggests he should get a “medal” for lasting four years with 49ers


Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2017, 4:45 PM EST
 
Jim Harbaugh never has lasted longer than four years at any of his various coaching stops. For making it last that long in San Francisco, he believes he deserves special recognition.
In an appearance on Tim Kawakami’s podcast, via CSN Bay Area, Harbaugh pointed out that he “set a record for coaching there under the present ownership.”

“I take pride in that,” Harbaugh said. “Maybe there should be an endurance medal, a courage medal, for that.”

The issue came up because new coach Kyle Shanahan mentioned Harbaugh, Bill Walsh, George Seifert, and Steve Mariucci in Shanahan’s introductory press conference. Harbaugh said he doesn’t believe he spent enough time with the team to be compared to those other coaches. Harbaugh perhaps would have made it more than four years if he had been working with new G.M. John Lynch.

“I would’ve loved to have worked for John Lynch,” Harbaugh said. “He reminds me a lot of the athletic director we have here [at Michigan], Warde Manuel, who’s also a former player and a teammate of mine. Common-sense guys who are team guys, just the way they go about their business always speaks volumes.”

Harbaugh and former 49ers G.M. Trent Baalke didn’t see eye to eye, and that fractured relationship contributed in large part to the “mutual parting” with Harbaugh that came after the 2014 season. The 49ers have hired three coaches in only two full seasons since then.
 
The most significant thing about signing Mitchell is that it shows they will not be on the sidelines during free agency this year. 

Who would SF fans like to see them go after in free agency this year?  A lot of fans are going to criticize the selections regardless but curious who is on your short lists.  

G: Kevin Zeitler or Larry Warford:  Pair one of them with hopefully Garnett if he progresses. Like Beatles better as a back up

WR:  Jeffrey:  Past injuries a concern, but would give them the playmaker they need. Have a feeling Chicago isn't going to tag him at 17 million plus. 

WR:  Robert Woods: Think he can be a solid #2-3 receiver in a Shanahan offense.  Won't be expensive   

FB:  Kyle Juszczyk: Can block, catch the ball and a pretty good runner.  Won't be expensive

FB:  Patrick Demarco: Knows the system. 2nd choice to Juszczyk: Won't be expensive

Edge:  Melvin Ingram:  Obvious need here.  

DT: Donatari Poe:  Chiefs might franchise him if they can reach an agreement with Berry.  

DT:  Nick Fairly:  Depending on cost.  Can provide pass rush up the middle

Assuming Cleveland takes Garrett, I would love to see them grab Foster.  Thought maybe they could trade down and grab him but looks like he will be top 5-7 area.  If someone like the Jets fall in love with Trubinsky, still a possibility.  

 
I just remembered how an organization trying to get back a winning culture they once had, then hired a coach from a current winning organization...

and that coach is Luke Walton.

BROWNS WEST

 
Did I miss York resigning. As long as he is in charge the irganization will be held back. Harbaugh was right. He deserves a medal.

 
Torry Smith cut.  Almost 5 million in cap savings

Not surprised at all.  Was a "better than nothing" signing at the time but didn't pan out to even that.  One trick pony and SF had no QB to take advantage of that one trick. 

Seems to point to them grabbing one of the top FA Wide outs.  Will be interesting on Friday

 
efactor said:
Torry Smith cut.  Almost 5 million in cap savings

Not surprised at all.  Was a "better than nothing" signing at the time but didn't pan out to even that.  One trick pony and SF had no QB to take advantage of that one trick. 

Seems to point to them grabbing one of the top FA Wide outs.  Will be interesting on Friday
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Torrey Smith's One Trick

 
Martin released.  Seems like just yesterday that he was a "steal" in the 3rd round.   :wall:

Glad to see the team releasing some of the dead weight.

 
drummer said:
I just remembered how an organization trying to get back a winning culture they once had, then hired a coach from a current winning organization...

and that coach is Luke Walton.
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What's your point? Luke Walton can't be judged on this season.

 
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