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Footballguy
Parcells, Walsh, Seifert, Shanahan, Jimmy Johnson all come to mind. There are probably others.
netnalp
Footballguy
Been reading some blurbs here and there as to why the rest of the staff was kept while Coughlin let go. Seems he was pretty resistant to changes in the way he did things and that lead to conflict with assistants, Reese and owners. That he was heavily involved in the player evaluation and selection process. Hinting that the conflicts and resistance to change are the cause of the poor drafts.
From the sounds of it, Reese, Spags, McAdoo and Sullivan all get along great. They want to be more aggressive on both sides of the ball. Coughlin was more read and react and Spags wants to attack, attack and attack some more! The RBBC was Coughlin's doing and so was the continuing to run even though it was only picking up 2-3 yds a carry. Reese and the coaches are on board about the way to fix the team quickest is by getting studs at the DE, CB and WR spots. That doesn't mean neglecting the other areas, it's just where they feel they need the superstar type players.
I don't know what is coming from team sources, people around the organization or speculation. Sounds plausible. The handling of Snee for example, not moving on, letting him stay on the roster well after it was obvious the injuries had done him in. Also how badly he fought to keep Gilbride and it turns out the Eli is doing better with McAdoo.
From the sounds of it, Reese, Spags, McAdoo and Sullivan all get along great. They want to be more aggressive on both sides of the ball. Coughlin was more read and react and Spags wants to attack, attack and attack some more! The RBBC was Coughlin's doing and so was the continuing to run even though it was only picking up 2-3 yds a carry. Reese and the coaches are on board about the way to fix the team quickest is by getting studs at the DE, CB and WR spots. That doesn't mean neglecting the other areas, it's just where they feel they need the superstar type players.
I don't know what is coming from team sources, people around the organization or speculation. Sounds plausible. The handling of Snee for example, not moving on, letting him stay on the roster well after it was obvious the injuries had done him in. Also how badly he fought to keep Gilbride and it turns out the Eli is doing better with McAdoo.
netnalp
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Kim Jones, NFL Network
“Eli [Manning] strongly made it known publicly and privately that he wanted to remain in this offense. He likes this offense. He’s been productive. He is a fundamentally better quarterback in this offense; the numbers show it. If you just watch him perform, his footwork, that shows -- all since Ben McAdoo arrived. I’m getting text messages from folks affiliated with the Giants -- lots of exclamation points. Ben McAdoo is popular.”
Garafolo:
“This was a big, big hire for Eli Manning. He said publicly he wanted to make sure the offense could stay as similar as possible, and that means McAdoo or some kind of version of that offense, as it did the last couple years…He’s been under McAdoo for two years after being under Tom Coughlin’s offense, which was also with Kevin Gilbride, so this was a new system for him to learn. He really took well to it. He wanted to make sure it stayed the same.”
Dan Graziano, ESPN
“He has demonstrated some of that intensity, exhibiting a Coughlin-level focus during practices and in meetings. But he's also, the players say, big on individual relationships and knowing which specific buttons work best or worst when pushed on which specific guys. His training under Coughlin, and Mike McCarthy before him, has stressed the importance of coaching the individuals for the good of the whole. Since they've worked with him for two years, the people running the Giants don't worry about what he's like to work with.”
Louis Riddick, ESPN
“A relationship-driven coach, which I think is huge. This guy really does earn the respect of the players he coaches, really has a great impact in their confidence and their belief that they can go out and play even above and beyond what they even thought they would. I think special coaches have that trait. Guys like Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, they’re really specialists in that area.
“I played for Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, they get you to play above and beyond anything you thought you could do but they do it a different way. Those guys are very hard on you, demand a lot from you, guys like Pete Carroll and Andy Reid take a different approach and that’s what I heard about coach McAdoo, he is really able to make that connection with you on a one-to-one basis.”
Bob Glauber, Newsday
“Ben McAdoo felt like the right choice all along. But it wasn’t until after talking on Sunday night with two of the most important men in McAdoo’s coaching life that it most assuredly felt like the right move.
“If Aaron Rodgers, one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history, and his head coach, Mike McCarthy, were willing to vouch for McAdoo, then it makes perfect sense that Giants co-owners John Mara and Steve Tisch, as well as general manager Jerry Reese, would consider McAdoo the right man to fill the gargantuan shoes of Tom Coughlin.”
Ian Rapoport, NFL Network
“If the Giants hit on this, and people inside the organization believe that they have and have really viewed him as that, then this is something that could lend them some long-term success, give them longevity, some consistency.”
Michael Silver, NFL Network
“They know Ben McAdoo. He could be a potential star. They’re obviously opting for continuity, and we’re talking about great owners who’ve done it the right way for a long time.”
“Eli [Manning] strongly made it known publicly and privately that he wanted to remain in this offense. He likes this offense. He’s been productive. He is a fundamentally better quarterback in this offense; the numbers show it. If you just watch him perform, his footwork, that shows -- all since Ben McAdoo arrived. I’m getting text messages from folks affiliated with the Giants -- lots of exclamation points. Ben McAdoo is popular.”
Garafolo:
“This was a big, big hire for Eli Manning. He said publicly he wanted to make sure the offense could stay as similar as possible, and that means McAdoo or some kind of version of that offense, as it did the last couple years…He’s been under McAdoo for two years after being under Tom Coughlin’s offense, which was also with Kevin Gilbride, so this was a new system for him to learn. He really took well to it. He wanted to make sure it stayed the same.”
Dan Graziano, ESPN
“He has demonstrated some of that intensity, exhibiting a Coughlin-level focus during practices and in meetings. But he's also, the players say, big on individual relationships and knowing which specific buttons work best or worst when pushed on which specific guys. His training under Coughlin, and Mike McCarthy before him, has stressed the importance of coaching the individuals for the good of the whole. Since they've worked with him for two years, the people running the Giants don't worry about what he's like to work with.”
Louis Riddick, ESPN
“A relationship-driven coach, which I think is huge. This guy really does earn the respect of the players he coaches, really has a great impact in their confidence and their belief that they can go out and play even above and beyond what they even thought they would. I think special coaches have that trait. Guys like Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, they’re really specialists in that area.
“I played for Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, they get you to play above and beyond anything you thought you could do but they do it a different way. Those guys are very hard on you, demand a lot from you, guys like Pete Carroll and Andy Reid take a different approach and that’s what I heard about coach McAdoo, he is really able to make that connection with you on a one-to-one basis.”
Bob Glauber, Newsday
“Ben McAdoo felt like the right choice all along. But it wasn’t until after talking on Sunday night with two of the most important men in McAdoo’s coaching life that it most assuredly felt like the right move.
“If Aaron Rodgers, one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history, and his head coach, Mike McCarthy, were willing to vouch for McAdoo, then it makes perfect sense that Giants co-owners John Mara and Steve Tisch, as well as general manager Jerry Reese, would consider McAdoo the right man to fill the gargantuan shoes of Tom Coughlin.”
Ian Rapoport, NFL Network
“If the Giants hit on this, and people inside the organization believe that they have and have really viewed him as that, then this is something that could lend them some long-term success, give them longevity, some consistency.”
Michael Silver, NFL Network
“They know Ben McAdoo. He could be a potential star. They’re obviously opting for continuity, and we’re talking about great owners who’ve done it the right way for a long time.”
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Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
In all honesty, going in a different direction from McAdoo made little to no sense. Eli is 35 years old. He's got a 3-5 year window of good football left in his career. Changing the offense now would cut him off at the kneecaps for a year or two.
I don't necessarily trust reports from McCarthy and Rodgers on McAdoo. Both had glowing reviews on Philbin when he took over in Miami, and that was a disaster.
Curious to see what Jason Wilde (Packer beat writer has to say). If memory serves me correctly, he always thought McAdoo was a smart guy. I'm sure Wilde will chime in sometime soon.
https://twitter.com/jasonjwilde?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
I don't necessarily trust reports from McCarthy and Rodgers on McAdoo. Both had glowing reviews on Philbin when he took over in Miami, and that was a disaster.
Curious to see what Jason Wilde (Packer beat writer has to say). If memory serves me correctly, he always thought McAdoo was a smart guy. I'm sure Wilde will chime in sometime soon.
https://twitter.com/jasonjwilde?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Tanner9919
Footballguy
the offense has flourished under McAdoo, in spite of the lack of a quality ground game.
now they have the #10 pick in the draft, and one Zeke Elliott is sitting out there ..he does everything well..and he can block his tail off.. do you take him at #10? he'd be your workhorse RB for the next decade.
a true difference maker. I think a RB is every bit as important to this franchise as a DT/DE/LB is..
fill the gaps on defense with free agency and draft picks.
Reese cannot afford a 'miss' with his #1 pick, and Elliott is as safe a top 10 pick as there ever was. You don't want another Sean Gilbert.
now they have the #10 pick in the draft, and one Zeke Elliott is sitting out there ..he does everything well..and he can block his tail off.. do you take him at #10? he'd be your workhorse RB for the next decade.
a true difference maker. I think a RB is every bit as important to this franchise as a DT/DE/LB is..
fill the gaps on defense with free agency and draft picks.
Reese cannot afford a 'miss' with his #1 pick, and Elliott is as safe a top 10 pick as there ever was. You don't want another Sean Gilbert.
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netnalp
Footballguy
I think in the 1st round most likely they go DE or a pass rushing DT.
From what I've been reading these players in the top 10 DEs Lawson and Ogbah, DTs A'Shawn Robinson and Baylor's Andre Billings, CBs Mackensie Alexander and Hargreaves, OT Stanley and WR Treadwell might interest the Giants.
netnalp
Footballguy
I'd really like TE Dwayne Allen
I've heard mentioned that they should go after DE Vinny Curry but with Chip Kelly gone he might not hit the market.
CB Janoris Jenkins is appealing. But from the sounds of it he's on almost every teams wish list. Competition is going to drive his price way up.
DE Malik Jackson and WR Sanu would be nice.
I think they shouldn't go after Von Miller he'll cost too much.
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
Isn't Lamar Miller a FA this year? I'd like to see him in NY rather than draft Zeke Elliot at #10, like someone mentioned earlier.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
IMO the lack of a quality running game had more to do with the committee approach than it did with lack of talent. Why Andre Williams was getting carries remains a mystery to me.
I don’t think that Jennings is a superstar by any means but he is a complete back and should have been getting the bulk of the carries each and every game. By bulk I mean at least 15 carries per game.
That being said I understand that he is a 30 year old RB so he probably doesn’t have a ton left in the tank and a replacement is probably in order but I don’t think using a top 10 pick on a RB is the right thing to do when there will be some defensive line studs sitting there.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Yes Miller is a free agent
I would think he and Doug Martin would be the most sought after free agent RB’s.
Possibly Forte in the mix as well but he is 30+
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2016-free-agent-master-list-191200371--nfl.html
RC94
Footballguy
I was going to post an answer to Yenrub's post last night. I had it all typed out and my computer crashed and I decided not to re-type it. I am glad you posted this because I agree with your list and had a very similar list last night (I also wanted L. Miller and Wolfe, but Wolfe was just signed an extension with DEN today). Allen in particular can be very good in this offense if he can stay healthy. He reminds me of Beason - when healthy he was a great fit and was a very good player. Unfortunately he was rarely healthy.netnalp said:
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RC94
Footballguy
I like Elliot a lot, but I agree about going after Miller instead. He would be a great fit for the offense and would be a real feature back instead of the stupid RBBC the team has employed for a while now. Considering the price of RBs these days, Miller might be pretty reasonably priced as a free agent.ebcpastor2004 said:
netnalp
Footballguy
Others I've seen mentioned are:
FS Tashaun Gipson - I think he's the 3rd rated safety after Berry and Weedle. I don't think he's going to go cheap like people will hope. He'll be highly sought after because he's young and won't command Berry's money.
LT LaAdrian Waddle - Young guy that has shown promise while with the Pats. Should be a cheap backup.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/1/8/10695624/fixing-the-new-york-giants-part-iii-reinforcements-coaching-staff-free-agency
http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/1/10/10697280/invictus-fixes-the-new-york-giants-part-iv-2016-nfl-draft
FS Tashaun Gipson - I think he's the 3rd rated safety after Berry and Weedle. I don't think he's going to go cheap like people will hope. He'll be highly sought after because he's young and won't command Berry's money.
LT LaAdrian Waddle - Young guy that has shown promise while with the Pats. Should be a cheap backup.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/1/8/10695624/fixing-the-new-york-giants-part-iii-reinforcements-coaching-staff-free-agency
http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/1/10/10697280/invictus-fixes-the-new-york-giants-part-iv-2016-nfl-draft
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RC94
Footballguy
I would be on board with both of them too, depending on price.
This team needs help at pretty much every position.
netnalp
Footballguy
Transcript: President & CEO John MaraEric from BBI : Admin : 1/15/2016 2:49 pm
President & CEO John Mara
January 15, 2016
Q: When you went into this process, did you identify Ben as a favorite?
A: I don’t want to say a favorite but obviously I watched him for two years, had a certain familiarity with him, so I guess you could say he was the favorite going in. We talked to six guys and I meant what I said before, I was really taken aback at how impressive they all were. This notion that it’s an uninspiring group, it may have been uninspiring to people on the outside, but not when you sat down and talked to these guys and looked at their credentials, heard about their ideas. It really was an excellent group as far as I was concerned.
Q: What set Ben apart?
A: I think what really gave me the edge was the familiarity. I’ve been able to watch him for two years, I loved what he said, he had a really good grasp of what we had on our team, what we needed to improve on, and a great vision going forward. It’s just something about having watching him on the field with the quarterbacks and with the offense. The first thing that came to mind two years ago was that this guy is a teacher and he’s got an edge to him. He’s not afraid to lose his temper out there and bark at guys and I happen to like that. Plenty of times I wanted to bark at the last couple of years so there were all those things. The concern as it always is was that he’s never done it before. You can say whatever you want but you just don’t know until he’s out there as the head coach but I feel good about him. I think he’s got everything it takes to be a successful head coach.
Q: Was that familiarity or relationship with Eli [Manning] the thing that put him over the top?
A: That was part of it but I think that’s been overblown to tell you the truth. I did talk to Eli right after the last press conference we did, and I talked to him about some of the candidates, and he obviously liked Ben but he liked some of the other guys to. I was aware of that but that was not the factor that a lot of you make it out to be.
Q: If you felt a conviction about someone who wasn’t Ben and even though Eli might not have been comfortable, you would have gone in that way?
A: Absolutely. Players adapt, particularly somebody as smart as he [Eli] is, he would have adapted to that.
Q: We spent a lot of time at your press conference asking about the personnel and you admitted that there were some issues there. After talking to Ben and hearing what he thinks of the guys here, are you any more encouraged by what’s here and obviously there future?
A: One of the things I was encouraged about, I mean he’s on the same page in terms of what we need, I don’t think his view is as maybe as dim as mine has been but he knows where we need to improve and he knows what we need to do. I think he’ll work very well with our personnel department, he already has. He’s been in our draft room, even as a coordinator was not the least bit afraid to voice his opinion and be firm about it, but he did it in a respectful matter and I think he’s going to be very helpful to that process. He maximized the input that he’s going to have. Our head coaches here going back to 1979 have always had significant input into the personnel decisions. No players were ever forced upon them and that’s going to continue to be the case.
Q: Was there any sense that if you didn’t make Ben the head coach this time then you were going to lose him to another team?
A: I think there was a good possibility that could have happened but if I didn’t believe he was the right guy, if we didn’t believe he was the right guy that would have been the difference.
Q: What stood out mostly about Ben that you liked about him?
A: I think the opportunity to observe him on the field the last couple of years, particularly at practice and the way he handles the team, the way he handled the offense, the way he just looked like a teacher, a fundamentalist. The presence that he has, the toughness that he has, I think all those things helped us make this decision.
Q: People when people renovate a house they gut it or they just make changes, is there any concern? You haven’t gutted this, he’s [McAdoo] here, the defensive coordinator [steve Spagnuolo] could be here, some guys on your staff could be here. It’s not a full renovation job.
A: It depends on how you characterize it. There are going to be some changes on the staff there’s no question about that. We’re looking at what we’ve done personnel wise, where we have made the mistakes in the draft, and why we have missed on guys. Are our standards too rigid or are they not rigid enough, let’s look at that and figure out what we need to improve, and do we need some additional people down there or do we need to make some changes. That continues to be the discussion we’ll have going forward. I know what our roster looks like and I know it has to get a heck of a lot better if we’re going to put the fifth trophy in the case.
Q: You’ve talked about the pressures in order to make 10 year, 15 years decisions, do you see these two last weeks as sort of shaping what your legacy might be as an owner?
A: Yeah, I hope so. I accept my share of the blame for what has gone on. I got a lot of love letters recently from our fans; one of them wrote me and said that, “The problem with the organization is sitting right in your chair”. Another one put it a little more succinctly and he said, “The fish stinks from the head down”. I take that personally and I accept my share, this is all under my watch, and I know we need to get better as an organization. What gives me confidence is that I know we’ve done it before and I believe we have the right people here to do it again. I believe we can do it under this head coach.
Q: A couple hours before word got out that you were about to hire Ben, word was that the Eagles were about to hire him, did that change your timetable at all?
A: I’ll tell you what it did change, once the Hue Jackson interview was cancelled I said to Jerry [Reese] let’s bring Ben back Thursday morning for a second interview and move this process along. I guess he called Ben and we found out well he was going to be with the Eagles on Thursday morning, so I said let’s bring him back in this afternoon then. That was Wednesday and we did that and had John and Steve Tisch present, we went over some things that we needed to talk to him about, and I think we all got a little more comfortable with him after that. It did accelerate the process no question about it.
Q: Does his age give you any pause? I mean the fact that he’s so young.
A: It’s not so much the age. The only thing is he’s been a coordinator for two years. Ideally he would have been a coordinator for longer than that but my instincts feel as if he’s the right guy. You’re never going to be in a perfect situation and even if he’s been a coordinator for 20 years it’s a different job becoming the head coach. I learned that in 1974 when we hired Bill Arnsparger who’s the defensive genius of all time and it didn’t work out for us back then. Guys can be great coordinators, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to be great head coaches, but I think he has something in him that’s going to allow him to be a terrific NFL head coach.
Q: What advice did you give him about being a head coach, about making that transition?
A: I said you need to surround yourself with experienced people. I don’t think that you fully understand everything that you have to do as a head coach. It’s a lot more than just drawing up the offensive game plan, you have to be worried about the defensive side, you’re going to have to deal with the media, you’re going to have to deal with personnel issues that arise on a day-by-day basis, players off the field issues, a lot goes into that. He’s smart enough to understand and I think he will surround himself with the right people and he’s got a great resource in Steve Spagnuolo here who’s been a head coach. I’m sure Steve will help him a little bit.
Q: Do you know yet of one of those resources will be Tom [Coughlin]?
A: I hope so. We haven’t discussed that recently because he was interviewing for other jobs but I know that it seems to gone in a different direction hopefully we’ll have that discussion again.
Q: I know you were prepared for him to be working somewhere else, but the thought of him working for the Eagles bother you?
A: I’m not going to lie it would have been like watching Bill Parcells walk out with the star on his shoulder. It was tough to see at the time and that would have bothered me. I want him to be happy but I certainly didn’t want to see him happy in green.
Q: Had you heard the “Don’t change the clocks” antidote before?
A: I had heard it. It was one of the first things that Ben said. Ben said that he wasn’t going to change them anyway, which I think is good. I think it’s a good philosophy, it’s a good thing to have, and it’s a good concept.
Q: You know something about following in some footsteps; I know yours were family, but just that part of the challenge for Ben sort of establishing his own identity, do you think that’s a legitimate concern?
A: It’s a concern but he’s smart enough and tough enough to deal with that I think and I’m not really worried about that.
Q: What made you believe that this was the guy to go after the 5th Lombardi trophy?
A: Again just having observed him for the last two years, observed how he handled the team on the field, how he acted like a teacher, the presence that he had, the kind of edge that he had on the practice field if things weren’t going particularly well, and the players responded to him and I could see that for myself. I know our quarterback is a big fan of his and so there were a lot of factors that went into it. He’s a smart guys, a tough guy, he’s had some great training under Mike McCarthy and then under Tom Coughlin. I think all those factors led us to believe that he was the right guy for the job.
Q: Were you worried about the lack of coaching experience?
A: Sure, you always worry about that. Until a guy has done it you just never know but again we think he has what he takes.
Q: John your father saw [Vince] Lombardi and [Tom] Landry leave for whatever circumstances, you saw John Fox leave, I know you were high on Fox.
A: And Sean Payton.
Q: Sean Payton, right. If you didn’t hire McAdoo now did you think you might have regretted it?
A: Yeah, because he obviously was our first choice, so yeah. If he had left and gone somewhere else we probably would have been very upset about that. Again the fact that he was a candidate for the Philadelphia job just accelerated the timing of the second interview. After the initial round of talking to six guys he was still my favorite at that point, and Jerry, so all the Philadelphia interview did was accelerate the timing of the second interview.
Q: John when you look at a guy like Mike Tomlin, no one really knew him before he got that job and became an outstanding pro coach. Do you think you found a diamond in the rough here?
A: Well we’ll find out. We won’t know that until he starts coaching but believe me I thought about the Mike Tomlin scenario quite a bit. He came out of nowhere and now he’s one of the best coaches out there. Let’s face it more of them fail than not but I think this guy has everything that you need to be a successful head coach. Now we have to help him and get him better personnel.
Q: Is he the guy to help restore the integrity and the stuff that you were talking about?
A: That’s why we hired him. We want him to bring back the pride to this team. It’s been a rough three and a half years.
Q: For you to say that this franchise has lost some of its credibility, how much did that eat at you?
A: Of course it tears me up. It’s been three and a half awful years and the last Super Bowl is a distant memory at this point. We long ago lost the benefit of the doubt with our fans and stuff. That’s what happens when you have three losing seasons. Really it’s been three and a half, it goes back to the second half of the 2012 season, and then the following three years have been miserable. It’s time to start on a new course.
Q: Did you discuss specifically the growth and maturity of Odell [beckham Jr.] and was that an important question for you to hear from him?
A: Sure, absolutely.
Q: What did he have to say?
A: Pretty much what he said was what he said up here on the podium. He was upset at the way that it transpired, he put a lot of the blame on himself, and he realizes that he should have stepped in and done something. When you’re an offensive coordinator and you got that play sheet in front you, you’re not always focused specifically on what’s going on in situations like that. He’ll be the head coach now, depending on who he ends up with as his offensive coordinator, it’s possible somebody else will be calling the plays. I think he understands that you can’t let a situation like that linger.
Q: Was that important for you to hear?
A: Sure it was. To me it was unacceptable and stuff like that happens sometimes, look at what happened at the end of the Cincinnati game. I just don’t want our players to conduct themselves like that.
Q: You promoted Ben, sounds like Steve is staying, what makes you confident that enough change is going to occur?
A: First thing we have to do is get them better players. That comes through the Draft and we got some room to do some things in free agency too. One of the things that I liked about Ben was that he realizes that free agency is not the, be all end all. It’s still the Draft and you can fill in some holes in free agency but it’s still about drafting the right way. He has everything I think it takes – intelligence, toughness, work ethic, and I believe he does feel like he has something to prove. Everybody is going to say, “Oh you’re too young, you don’t have enough experience”, and I think that’s going to motivate him.
Q: John you have said Tom hired Ben. When did you first say, “We may be on to something here?”
A: Watching him in practice from his first day here through training camp and through the season there was just something about him that I liked. The way he taught, the way he occasionally had a little bark to him when things were not going well and it just seemed like the players responded to him well and that is one of the reasons I go to practice is to watch for stuff like that and he definitely made an impression on me.
Q: Players seem very happy with this move. Does that matter to you?
A: That doesn’t mean anything. It really doesn’t mean anything. I learned that a long time ago. They are always happy at the beginning and their job is to make me happy at the end of the year.
Q: Can you say how long of a deal you gave him?
A: No, we don’t talk about that.
Q: You announced that you had offered Tom [Coughlin] a position. Now that he has withdrawn his name from the Philadelphia situation have you heard from him?
A: No, I understand --- someone told me that he was here working out this morning so I did not get a chance to see him but we would like to have that discussion with him assuming that he is not going to be coaching this year and I guess he won’t be but I don’t know if that is final yet.
Q: John with all of the continuity when we eventually learn about the staff, are you comfortable with the outside perception that this was all Tom Coughlin’s fault?
A: The outside perception is what it is and I can’t do much about that. This is not about blaming Tom. This was an organizational failure on our part starting with me and working its way down. We all have to take some blame for that and now it is up to us to turn it around.
Q: You talked about Ben’s edge and his bark. Does he have to change that at all as a head coach?
A: No, I think you need to have that and I don’t think his personality is going to change at all. I think he has the right stuff.
President & CEO John Mara
January 15, 2016
Q: When you went into this process, did you identify Ben as a favorite?
A: I don’t want to say a favorite but obviously I watched him for two years, had a certain familiarity with him, so I guess you could say he was the favorite going in. We talked to six guys and I meant what I said before, I was really taken aback at how impressive they all were. This notion that it’s an uninspiring group, it may have been uninspiring to people on the outside, but not when you sat down and talked to these guys and looked at their credentials, heard about their ideas. It really was an excellent group as far as I was concerned.
Q: What set Ben apart?
A: I think what really gave me the edge was the familiarity. I’ve been able to watch him for two years, I loved what he said, he had a really good grasp of what we had on our team, what we needed to improve on, and a great vision going forward. It’s just something about having watching him on the field with the quarterbacks and with the offense. The first thing that came to mind two years ago was that this guy is a teacher and he’s got an edge to him. He’s not afraid to lose his temper out there and bark at guys and I happen to like that. Plenty of times I wanted to bark at the last couple of years so there were all those things. The concern as it always is was that he’s never done it before. You can say whatever you want but you just don’t know until he’s out there as the head coach but I feel good about him. I think he’s got everything it takes to be a successful head coach.
Q: Was that familiarity or relationship with Eli [Manning] the thing that put him over the top?
A: That was part of it but I think that’s been overblown to tell you the truth. I did talk to Eli right after the last press conference we did, and I talked to him about some of the candidates, and he obviously liked Ben but he liked some of the other guys to. I was aware of that but that was not the factor that a lot of you make it out to be.
Q: If you felt a conviction about someone who wasn’t Ben and even though Eli might not have been comfortable, you would have gone in that way?
A: Absolutely. Players adapt, particularly somebody as smart as he [Eli] is, he would have adapted to that.
Q: We spent a lot of time at your press conference asking about the personnel and you admitted that there were some issues there. After talking to Ben and hearing what he thinks of the guys here, are you any more encouraged by what’s here and obviously there future?
A: One of the things I was encouraged about, I mean he’s on the same page in terms of what we need, I don’t think his view is as maybe as dim as mine has been but he knows where we need to improve and he knows what we need to do. I think he’ll work very well with our personnel department, he already has. He’s been in our draft room, even as a coordinator was not the least bit afraid to voice his opinion and be firm about it, but he did it in a respectful matter and I think he’s going to be very helpful to that process. He maximized the input that he’s going to have. Our head coaches here going back to 1979 have always had significant input into the personnel decisions. No players were ever forced upon them and that’s going to continue to be the case.
Q: Was there any sense that if you didn’t make Ben the head coach this time then you were going to lose him to another team?
A: I think there was a good possibility that could have happened but if I didn’t believe he was the right guy, if we didn’t believe he was the right guy that would have been the difference.
Q: What stood out mostly about Ben that you liked about him?
A: I think the opportunity to observe him on the field the last couple of years, particularly at practice and the way he handles the team, the way he handled the offense, the way he just looked like a teacher, a fundamentalist. The presence that he has, the toughness that he has, I think all those things helped us make this decision.
Q: People when people renovate a house they gut it or they just make changes, is there any concern? You haven’t gutted this, he’s [McAdoo] here, the defensive coordinator [steve Spagnuolo] could be here, some guys on your staff could be here. It’s not a full renovation job.
A: It depends on how you characterize it. There are going to be some changes on the staff there’s no question about that. We’re looking at what we’ve done personnel wise, where we have made the mistakes in the draft, and why we have missed on guys. Are our standards too rigid or are they not rigid enough, let’s look at that and figure out what we need to improve, and do we need some additional people down there or do we need to make some changes. That continues to be the discussion we’ll have going forward. I know what our roster looks like and I know it has to get a heck of a lot better if we’re going to put the fifth trophy in the case.
Q: You’ve talked about the pressures in order to make 10 year, 15 years decisions, do you see these two last weeks as sort of shaping what your legacy might be as an owner?
A: Yeah, I hope so. I accept my share of the blame for what has gone on. I got a lot of love letters recently from our fans; one of them wrote me and said that, “The problem with the organization is sitting right in your chair”. Another one put it a little more succinctly and he said, “The fish stinks from the head down”. I take that personally and I accept my share, this is all under my watch, and I know we need to get better as an organization. What gives me confidence is that I know we’ve done it before and I believe we have the right people here to do it again. I believe we can do it under this head coach.
Q: A couple hours before word got out that you were about to hire Ben, word was that the Eagles were about to hire him, did that change your timetable at all?
A: I’ll tell you what it did change, once the Hue Jackson interview was cancelled I said to Jerry [Reese] let’s bring Ben back Thursday morning for a second interview and move this process along. I guess he called Ben and we found out well he was going to be with the Eagles on Thursday morning, so I said let’s bring him back in this afternoon then. That was Wednesday and we did that and had John and Steve Tisch present, we went over some things that we needed to talk to him about, and I think we all got a little more comfortable with him after that. It did accelerate the process no question about it.
Q: Does his age give you any pause? I mean the fact that he’s so young.
A: It’s not so much the age. The only thing is he’s been a coordinator for two years. Ideally he would have been a coordinator for longer than that but my instincts feel as if he’s the right guy. You’re never going to be in a perfect situation and even if he’s been a coordinator for 20 years it’s a different job becoming the head coach. I learned that in 1974 when we hired Bill Arnsparger who’s the defensive genius of all time and it didn’t work out for us back then. Guys can be great coordinators, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to be great head coaches, but I think he has something in him that’s going to allow him to be a terrific NFL head coach.
Q: What advice did you give him about being a head coach, about making that transition?
A: I said you need to surround yourself with experienced people. I don’t think that you fully understand everything that you have to do as a head coach. It’s a lot more than just drawing up the offensive game plan, you have to be worried about the defensive side, you’re going to have to deal with the media, you’re going to have to deal with personnel issues that arise on a day-by-day basis, players off the field issues, a lot goes into that. He’s smart enough to understand and I think he will surround himself with the right people and he’s got a great resource in Steve Spagnuolo here who’s been a head coach. I’m sure Steve will help him a little bit.
Q: Do you know yet of one of those resources will be Tom [Coughlin]?
A: I hope so. We haven’t discussed that recently because he was interviewing for other jobs but I know that it seems to gone in a different direction hopefully we’ll have that discussion again.
Q: I know you were prepared for him to be working somewhere else, but the thought of him working for the Eagles bother you?
A: I’m not going to lie it would have been like watching Bill Parcells walk out with the star on his shoulder. It was tough to see at the time and that would have bothered me. I want him to be happy but I certainly didn’t want to see him happy in green.
Q: Had you heard the “Don’t change the clocks” antidote before?
A: I had heard it. It was one of the first things that Ben said. Ben said that he wasn’t going to change them anyway, which I think is good. I think it’s a good philosophy, it’s a good thing to have, and it’s a good concept.
Q: You know something about following in some footsteps; I know yours were family, but just that part of the challenge for Ben sort of establishing his own identity, do you think that’s a legitimate concern?
A: It’s a concern but he’s smart enough and tough enough to deal with that I think and I’m not really worried about that.
Q: What made you believe that this was the guy to go after the 5th Lombardi trophy?
A: Again just having observed him for the last two years, observed how he handled the team on the field, how he acted like a teacher, the presence that he had, the kind of edge that he had on the practice field if things weren’t going particularly well, and the players responded to him and I could see that for myself. I know our quarterback is a big fan of his and so there were a lot of factors that went into it. He’s a smart guys, a tough guy, he’s had some great training under Mike McCarthy and then under Tom Coughlin. I think all those factors led us to believe that he was the right guy for the job.
Q: Were you worried about the lack of coaching experience?
A: Sure, you always worry about that. Until a guy has done it you just never know but again we think he has what he takes.
Q: John your father saw [Vince] Lombardi and [Tom] Landry leave for whatever circumstances, you saw John Fox leave, I know you were high on Fox.
A: And Sean Payton.
Q: Sean Payton, right. If you didn’t hire McAdoo now did you think you might have regretted it?
A: Yeah, because he obviously was our first choice, so yeah. If he had left and gone somewhere else we probably would have been very upset about that. Again the fact that he was a candidate for the Philadelphia job just accelerated the timing of the second interview. After the initial round of talking to six guys he was still my favorite at that point, and Jerry, so all the Philadelphia interview did was accelerate the timing of the second interview.
Q: John when you look at a guy like Mike Tomlin, no one really knew him before he got that job and became an outstanding pro coach. Do you think you found a diamond in the rough here?
A: Well we’ll find out. We won’t know that until he starts coaching but believe me I thought about the Mike Tomlin scenario quite a bit. He came out of nowhere and now he’s one of the best coaches out there. Let’s face it more of them fail than not but I think this guy has everything that you need to be a successful head coach. Now we have to help him and get him better personnel.
Q: Is he the guy to help restore the integrity and the stuff that you were talking about?
A: That’s why we hired him. We want him to bring back the pride to this team. It’s been a rough three and a half years.
Q: For you to say that this franchise has lost some of its credibility, how much did that eat at you?
A: Of course it tears me up. It’s been three and a half awful years and the last Super Bowl is a distant memory at this point. We long ago lost the benefit of the doubt with our fans and stuff. That’s what happens when you have three losing seasons. Really it’s been three and a half, it goes back to the second half of the 2012 season, and then the following three years have been miserable. It’s time to start on a new course.
Q: Did you discuss specifically the growth and maturity of Odell [beckham Jr.] and was that an important question for you to hear from him?
A: Sure, absolutely.
Q: What did he have to say?
A: Pretty much what he said was what he said up here on the podium. He was upset at the way that it transpired, he put a lot of the blame on himself, and he realizes that he should have stepped in and done something. When you’re an offensive coordinator and you got that play sheet in front you, you’re not always focused specifically on what’s going on in situations like that. He’ll be the head coach now, depending on who he ends up with as his offensive coordinator, it’s possible somebody else will be calling the plays. I think he understands that you can’t let a situation like that linger.
Q: Was that important for you to hear?
A: Sure it was. To me it was unacceptable and stuff like that happens sometimes, look at what happened at the end of the Cincinnati game. I just don’t want our players to conduct themselves like that.
Q: You promoted Ben, sounds like Steve is staying, what makes you confident that enough change is going to occur?
A: First thing we have to do is get them better players. That comes through the Draft and we got some room to do some things in free agency too. One of the things that I liked about Ben was that he realizes that free agency is not the, be all end all. It’s still the Draft and you can fill in some holes in free agency but it’s still about drafting the right way. He has everything I think it takes – intelligence, toughness, work ethic, and I believe he does feel like he has something to prove. Everybody is going to say, “Oh you’re too young, you don’t have enough experience”, and I think that’s going to motivate him.
Q: John you have said Tom hired Ben. When did you first say, “We may be on to something here?”
A: Watching him in practice from his first day here through training camp and through the season there was just something about him that I liked. The way he taught, the way he occasionally had a little bark to him when things were not going well and it just seemed like the players responded to him well and that is one of the reasons I go to practice is to watch for stuff like that and he definitely made an impression on me.
Q: Players seem very happy with this move. Does that matter to you?
A: That doesn’t mean anything. It really doesn’t mean anything. I learned that a long time ago. They are always happy at the beginning and their job is to make me happy at the end of the year.
Q: Can you say how long of a deal you gave him?
A: No, we don’t talk about that.
Q: You announced that you had offered Tom [Coughlin] a position. Now that he has withdrawn his name from the Philadelphia situation have you heard from him?
A: No, I understand --- someone told me that he was here working out this morning so I did not get a chance to see him but we would like to have that discussion with him assuming that he is not going to be coaching this year and I guess he won’t be but I don’t know if that is final yet.
Q: John with all of the continuity when we eventually learn about the staff, are you comfortable with the outside perception that this was all Tom Coughlin’s fault?
A: The outside perception is what it is and I can’t do much about that. This is not about blaming Tom. This was an organizational failure on our part starting with me and working its way down. We all have to take some blame for that and now it is up to us to turn it around.
Q: You talked about Ben’s edge and his bark. Does he have to change that at all as a head coach?
A: No, I think you need to have that and I don’t think his personality is going to change at all. I think he has the right stuff.
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Giants hire Adam Henry to WR coach. Henry was with the 49ers the past two years. Before that, he was OBJ's wr coach at LSU. Henry's job with the 49ers opened up when Chip Kelly was hired and brought his WR Coach from Philly.
Former Giants WR Coach, Sean Ryan, left to the Texans for the same position.
Former Giants WR Coach, Sean Ryan, left to the Texans for the same position.
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Six assistant coaches moving on/let go: Sean Ryan (WR), Pat Flaherty (OL), Robert Nunn (DL), Jim Herrmann (LB), Larry Izzo (Asst ST), and Jerry Palmieri (Strength/Condition)
- All the coaches were under contract for another year, so the Giants are only letting go the ones they ready to move on from or they don't want to be around. Seems like most had already started looking for new jobs once Coughlin resigned. They must not have wanted to wait if the new coach would retain them.
“The Eagles called the Giants and asked for permission to talk with Spags, they were denied permission” - @AnthonyLGargano
Six assistant coaches moving on/let go: Sean Ryan (WR), Pat Flaherty (OL), Robert Nunn (DL), Jim Herrmann (LB), Larry Izzo (Asst ST), and Jerry Palmieri (Strength/Condition)
- All the coaches were under contract for another year, so the Giants are only letting go the ones they ready to move on from or they don't want to be around. Seems like most had already started looking for new jobs once Coughlin resigned. They must not have wanted to wait if the new coach would retain them.
“The Eagles called the Giants and asked for permission to talk with Spags, they were denied permission” - @AnthonyLGargano
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For what it's worth, no one else is reporting that and Gargano is just a talking head on morning radio who happens to be Spags best friend. I don't believe the Eagles ever called about him and he was just doing his buddy a favor by making it look like he was wanted.netnalp said:
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Like all the Giants FA's it's going to come down to price. Hope he'll be back he just needs to understand he might not get top 5 $.
Cruz is a question mark too. If he doesn't take a pay cut he might not be back. Hard to imagine he will be the same after all the surgeries. The Giants offer I'd expect to be better than what any other team will give.
Randle, I wouldn't mind him back as a #3 at a reasonable price. Will another team offer him big money thinking that they have the coaches to get more out of him?
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Team has too many needs to adopt the Packer way if they want wins next season. But I support evolving to it.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-packers-promote-from-within-1452891866
Why the Packers Promote From Within Green Bay almost exclusively develops draft picks and eschews free agency so that players can learn the Packer way.
By KEVIN CLARK
Jan. 15, 2016 4:04 p.m. ET
One of the more time-tested business strategies is to promote from within, rather than poaching talent from the outside. UPS, General Electric, and Procter & Gamble have all been known for this at one point.
But now there’s another organization currently thriving thanks to the same corporate philosophy: the Green Bay Packers.
The Packers have exactly two players drafted by other teams on their 53-man roster. No other team is so overwhelmingly composed of homegrown players—the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco 49ers are the closest, with all but six of their final 53-man rosters this year.
How the Packers have reached the playoffs for seven straight seasons while largely ignoring free agency owes much to the expert drafting of Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson. But it also speaks to the team’s distinctive approach to coaching up young players, the unusual practice habits of its star quarterback and a fanatical devotion to promoting from within that runs throughout the organization.
As they prepare to face the Arizona Cardinals in a divisional-round playoff game Saturday, the Packers’ approach has become the envy of the league.
The key to Green Bay’s system is the belief that if you bring in players as early as possible, they won’t have “ready-made habits that you get from a guy from another team, the way you did it with his old team,” said defensive line coach Mike Trgovac. “I don’t even know if you would call them bad habits, they are just different from what we would teach.”
Take the case of rookie cornerback Quinten Rollins, who was selected in the second round of the draft last May to fill in for Tramon Williams and Davon House, who had departed in free agency.
There are plenty of things that Rollins needed to learn to succeed at the NFL level, but the Packers had zeroed in on the one skill that he needed to improve, an attribute that is so seemingly innocuous that other teams may not even have noticed: eye control.
Rollins had a habit of peeking into the backfield to get a read on what the quarterback was doing. In college football, cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr. said, players can get away with that. College quarterbacks can usually only throw effectively to one side of the field, the closest side to them, meaning defensive backs can sit back and wait for a quarterback to try to force it to the side they shouldn’t and—voila—snag an interception. Something Rollins did seven times in one season of college football.
“[but] if you use that technique here, you are going to get the ball completed on you,” Whitt said. “Your eye control is very, very important here. Once [the quarterback] gets in your blind spot, you have to change your vision and get it back to your receiver.”
This is the sort of detailed orientation that the Packers put all their new employees through. In fact, Rollins joined a secondary made up of a number of players who didn’t play defensive back very much in college. Demetri Goodson, just like Rollins himself, spent most of his college time playing basketball. Sam Shields played wide receiver. This is no accident.
“I don’t have to un-coach them,” Whitt Jr. said. “I know if they do mess up, it’s something that I taught them.”
The Packers have been remarkably consistent in their internal promotions. They have brought in players from other teams only on rare occasions in recent years—on the current roster, pass rusher Julius Peppers is the most famous example. The team also snagged star cornerback Charles Woodson in 2006.
But under Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, they’ve mostly stuck to their plan, keeping talented draft picks—like quarterback Aaron Rodgers and linebacker Clay Matthews Jr.—and replacing the less talented draftees with newer, cheaper picks. Rodgers, a first-round pick in 2005, famously replaced the legendary Brett Favre as starter in 2008 after three years being groomed in the Packers system.
To ensure they have a constant supply of in-house candidates, the Packers also use the practice squad differently than most teams—specifically, they have rejected the widespread strategy of signing guys primarily to mimic that week’s opponent. Instead, the Packers practice squad is populated with players they expect one day to suit up for the team. With that in mind, assistant coaches say they coach the practice squad guys as often and as hard as top draft picks, a rarity in the NFL.
Having graduated through the system, Rodgers has even developed practice habits that work to reinforce the team’s developmental strategy.
Rodgers, a two-time NFL most valuable player, is perhaps the most feared quarterback in football these days. But in practice, he can often look downright human. That’s intentional.
For the Packers quarterback, practice isn’t “about getting his feet right or his decisions clean,” McCarthy said. “It’s really about establishing good, full-speed reps” for those around him. Inevitably, that means Rodgers tosses some interceptions in practice.
McCarthy is clear that Rodgers hates getting picked off. He’s rushed down the field to argue calls on make-believe interceptions in practice. But the Packers have come to see these practice sessions as more of a trust-building exercise than a tune-up for Rodgers. That means throwing plenty of what are referred to as 50-50 balls, where both the cornerback and receiver have a chance to haul in the pass.
“He’s trying to see the trust factor, who can come down with it?” said backup quarterback Scott Tolzien. “Who can he trust that, when he throws it up, nothing bad is going to happen? That at the very least, if they don’t catch it, they’ll knock it out of the defensive back’s hands. He’s trying to stretch boundaries and get those opportunities on tape.”
Rodgers’ distinctive approach to practice also showed up in training camp prior to the 2014 season, McCarthy said. Rodgers decided that running back Eddie Lacy needed more “checkdowns,” which are short dump-off passes to the tailback. Practicing these plays doesn’t do much for Rodgers, who could complete those passes in his sleep, but would be crucial in getting Lacy integrated into the offense. So Rodgers spent weeks peppering the running back with checkdowns.
This year in training camp, McCarthy said, Rodgers “wouldn’t pass up too many opportunities to throw to Davante Adams.” The Packers quarterback figured he had a good connection with star receiver Jordy Nelson, so he elected to work on his rapport with Adams, a second-round draft pick in 2015. When Nelson was lost with a season-ending knee injury in the preseason, the Packers simply promoted Adams into the starting lineup.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-packers-promote-from-within-1452891866
Why the Packers Promote From Within Green Bay almost exclusively develops draft picks and eschews free agency so that players can learn the Packer way.
By KEVIN CLARK
Jan. 15, 2016 4:04 p.m. ET
One of the more time-tested business strategies is to promote from within, rather than poaching talent from the outside. UPS, General Electric, and Procter & Gamble have all been known for this at one point.
But now there’s another organization currently thriving thanks to the same corporate philosophy: the Green Bay Packers.
The Packers have exactly two players drafted by other teams on their 53-man roster. No other team is so overwhelmingly composed of homegrown players—the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco 49ers are the closest, with all but six of their final 53-man rosters this year.
How the Packers have reached the playoffs for seven straight seasons while largely ignoring free agency owes much to the expert drafting of Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson. But it also speaks to the team’s distinctive approach to coaching up young players, the unusual practice habits of its star quarterback and a fanatical devotion to promoting from within that runs throughout the organization.
As they prepare to face the Arizona Cardinals in a divisional-round playoff game Saturday, the Packers’ approach has become the envy of the league.
The key to Green Bay’s system is the belief that if you bring in players as early as possible, they won’t have “ready-made habits that you get from a guy from another team, the way you did it with his old team,” said defensive line coach Mike Trgovac. “I don’t even know if you would call them bad habits, they are just different from what we would teach.”
Take the case of rookie cornerback Quinten Rollins, who was selected in the second round of the draft last May to fill in for Tramon Williams and Davon House, who had departed in free agency.
There are plenty of things that Rollins needed to learn to succeed at the NFL level, but the Packers had zeroed in on the one skill that he needed to improve, an attribute that is so seemingly innocuous that other teams may not even have noticed: eye control.
Rollins had a habit of peeking into the backfield to get a read on what the quarterback was doing. In college football, cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr. said, players can get away with that. College quarterbacks can usually only throw effectively to one side of the field, the closest side to them, meaning defensive backs can sit back and wait for a quarterback to try to force it to the side they shouldn’t and—voila—snag an interception. Something Rollins did seven times in one season of college football.
“[but] if you use that technique here, you are going to get the ball completed on you,” Whitt said. “Your eye control is very, very important here. Once [the quarterback] gets in your blind spot, you have to change your vision and get it back to your receiver.”
This is the sort of detailed orientation that the Packers put all their new employees through. In fact, Rollins joined a secondary made up of a number of players who didn’t play defensive back very much in college. Demetri Goodson, just like Rollins himself, spent most of his college time playing basketball. Sam Shields played wide receiver. This is no accident.
“I don’t have to un-coach them,” Whitt Jr. said. “I know if they do mess up, it’s something that I taught them.”
The Packers have been remarkably consistent in their internal promotions. They have brought in players from other teams only on rare occasions in recent years—on the current roster, pass rusher Julius Peppers is the most famous example. The team also snagged star cornerback Charles Woodson in 2006.
But under Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, they’ve mostly stuck to their plan, keeping talented draft picks—like quarterback Aaron Rodgers and linebacker Clay Matthews Jr.—and replacing the less talented draftees with newer, cheaper picks. Rodgers, a first-round pick in 2005, famously replaced the legendary Brett Favre as starter in 2008 after three years being groomed in the Packers system.
To ensure they have a constant supply of in-house candidates, the Packers also use the practice squad differently than most teams—specifically, they have rejected the widespread strategy of signing guys primarily to mimic that week’s opponent. Instead, the Packers practice squad is populated with players they expect one day to suit up for the team. With that in mind, assistant coaches say they coach the practice squad guys as often and as hard as top draft picks, a rarity in the NFL.
Having graduated through the system, Rodgers has even developed practice habits that work to reinforce the team’s developmental strategy.
Rodgers, a two-time NFL most valuable player, is perhaps the most feared quarterback in football these days. But in practice, he can often look downright human. That’s intentional.
For the Packers quarterback, practice isn’t “about getting his feet right or his decisions clean,” McCarthy said. “It’s really about establishing good, full-speed reps” for those around him. Inevitably, that means Rodgers tosses some interceptions in practice.
McCarthy is clear that Rodgers hates getting picked off. He’s rushed down the field to argue calls on make-believe interceptions in practice. But the Packers have come to see these practice sessions as more of a trust-building exercise than a tune-up for Rodgers. That means throwing plenty of what are referred to as 50-50 balls, where both the cornerback and receiver have a chance to haul in the pass.
“He’s trying to see the trust factor, who can come down with it?” said backup quarterback Scott Tolzien. “Who can he trust that, when he throws it up, nothing bad is going to happen? That at the very least, if they don’t catch it, they’ll knock it out of the defensive back’s hands. He’s trying to stretch boundaries and get those opportunities on tape.”
Rodgers’ distinctive approach to practice also showed up in training camp prior to the 2014 season, McCarthy said. Rodgers decided that running back Eddie Lacy needed more “checkdowns,” which are short dump-off passes to the tailback. Practicing these plays doesn’t do much for Rodgers, who could complete those passes in his sleep, but would be crucial in getting Lacy integrated into the offense. So Rodgers spent weeks peppering the running back with checkdowns.
This year in training camp, McCarthy said, Rodgers “wouldn’t pass up too many opportunities to throw to Davante Adams.” The Packers quarterback figured he had a good connection with star receiver Jordy Nelson, so he elected to work on his rapport with Adams, a second-round draft pick in 2015. When Nelson was lost with a season-ending knee injury in the preseason, the Packers simply promoted Adams into the starting lineup.
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1/21/16, 6:19 AM
I'm told former #49ers head coach Mike Singletary is interviewing with the #Giants today for their linebackers coach position.
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I like him for LB coach.
From Forbes last November:
Mike Singletary wants to be a head coach again.
After he left San Francisco and settled in Minnesota, Mike Singletary looked in the mirror and saw what his wife had been talking about.
It was an epiphany-in-waiting. The sort of thing a wife tells her husband about over and over again and then one day the husband finally gets it.
Singletary, the fired head coach, stood eye-to-eye with the look his players, the TV audience and his wife had seen.
“I looked like I’m saying, ‘I hate you. I cannot stand you,’” he said.
He had every intention to communicate his belief in his players, that there was greatness within them. He had sent the opposite message.
“My body language had to change. My tone of voice had to change,” he said.
Singletary has been retooling his style because he wants to be a head coach again. For more than a year, he has studied all aspects of the game. He met with more than two-dozen lifer-type coaches and former players. He visited with strength and conditioning coaches. He has a former referee on speed dial.
These aren’t casual let’s-have-a-beer-and-write-up-a-scheme-on-a-napkin get togethers. These are daylong sessions, some of which Singletary films and then studies after the meeting is over.
Singletary doesn’t have to do this. He is the Samurai Linebacker. He is in the Hall of Fame and he’ll always be the defensive leader of the Super Bowl shuffling 1985 Chicago Bears. He makes between $20,000 and $30,000 for speaking engagements. He took a pay cut to get into coaching, but he views the profession as a vocation he’s unwilling to leave.
“I believe that’s what I was created to do,” he said.
Singletary became a head coach when he took over the 49ers in Week 8 of the 2008 season. After a 31-6 season-opening loss at Seattle in 2010, he had a 13-13 record. Rumors circulated about his job security. This is when Singletary stood behind a microphone during a press conference called out the “rat” and the “coward” in the organization. Later that season, the team was 5-10 when he was fired.
Singletary stopped the downward spiral that preceded him in San Francisco, but the team never became a winner. His tenure is mainly remembered for him sending star tight end Vernon Davis off the field for being selfish during a game against Seattle. This was followed by Singletary calling out Davis in a press conference dropping the quote: “I want winners. I want people that want to win.”
As his career progressed, Davis credited Singletary with helping him mature as a professional. No matter though, the book on Singletary after he was fired was that he was a great player, great man. Intense, maybe too intense, so much so that he had trouble relating to today’s players.
With an opportunity to take a shot at the current implosion in San Francisco, Singletary looks back at his time with the organization as a blessing — messy and ugly, but a blessing, too.
“It was a tremendous learning experience. A lot of lab work that allowed me to go back and realize that I need to fix some other things in order to come to the right solutions to create the type of winning that I really want to be a part of,” he said.
For the next three seasons, Singletary served as the assistant head coach and linebackers coach for the Vikings. There he worked under his former Bears teammate, head coach Leslie Frazier. Since he left San Francisco, Singletary has had just one interview for a head coaching job, the Bears in 2013. Chicago went with Marc Trestman, who was fired after two seasons.
Mike Ditka, Singletary’s coach with the Bears, believes his former middle linebacker should get another shot as a head coach.
“Football needs coaches like Mike Singletary. It’ll be their loss if they don’t get him back,” Ditka said. Of the all the great players on the historic ’85 Bears defense, Ditka called Singletary the smartest. “Mike was one of those guys who believes there’s one way to do it and that’s the right way.”
That’s the way Singletary has approached preparing for that next head coaching opportunity. He flew from his home in Dallas to Oregon to visit Darrel “Mouse” Davis, a mastermind of the run and shoot offense. They stayed up the first night talking football. They went to sleep for a bit, woke up and put in a seven-hour session. Wanting to learn more about the quarterback position, Singletary met with Chad Pennington. He flew to Atlanta, met a videographer and filmed three hours asking former Ravens All-Pro safety Ed Reed about various offensive and defensive styles.
Singletary has spent over 100 hours mining data from these football minds. He’s filmed about two-thirds of the meetings and he has reviewed almost all of the footage.
When he’s not doing that, he connects with strength and conditioning coaches to better understand injury recovery time. He constantly speaks to Dallas-area neighbor and former NFL official Gary Slaughter about evolving rule changes.
“I’m sure he’s going to move pretty soon because I’m driving him crazy,” Singletary said
Of the 32 head coaches who started the 2010 season — the last time Singletary was a head coach — eight of them are still in the same job. Of the other 24, more than half were either already in their second chance as a head coach or they were hired into a second gig since then. Singletary doesn’t show dismay. He’s got a feeling about his chances this upcoming offseason.
“This is the year.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2015/11/22/mike-singletary-wants-to-be-a-head-coach-again/#2715e4857a0b79ea6d0be8ca
1/21/16, 6:19 AM
I'm told former #49ers head coach Mike Singletary is interviewing with the #Giants today for their linebackers coach position.
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I like him for LB coach.
From Forbes last November:
Mike Singletary wants to be a head coach again.
After he left San Francisco and settled in Minnesota, Mike Singletary looked in the mirror and saw what his wife had been talking about.
It was an epiphany-in-waiting. The sort of thing a wife tells her husband about over and over again and then one day the husband finally gets it.
Singletary, the fired head coach, stood eye-to-eye with the look his players, the TV audience and his wife had seen.
“I looked like I’m saying, ‘I hate you. I cannot stand you,’” he said.
He had every intention to communicate his belief in his players, that there was greatness within them. He had sent the opposite message.
“My body language had to change. My tone of voice had to change,” he said.
Singletary has been retooling his style because he wants to be a head coach again. For more than a year, he has studied all aspects of the game. He met with more than two-dozen lifer-type coaches and former players. He visited with strength and conditioning coaches. He has a former referee on speed dial.
These aren’t casual let’s-have-a-beer-and-write-up-a-scheme-on-a-napkin get togethers. These are daylong sessions, some of which Singletary films and then studies after the meeting is over.
Singletary doesn’t have to do this. He is the Samurai Linebacker. He is in the Hall of Fame and he’ll always be the defensive leader of the Super Bowl shuffling 1985 Chicago Bears. He makes between $20,000 and $30,000 for speaking engagements. He took a pay cut to get into coaching, but he views the profession as a vocation he’s unwilling to leave.
“I believe that’s what I was created to do,” he said.
Singletary became a head coach when he took over the 49ers in Week 8 of the 2008 season. After a 31-6 season-opening loss at Seattle in 2010, he had a 13-13 record. Rumors circulated about his job security. This is when Singletary stood behind a microphone during a press conference called out the “rat” and the “coward” in the organization. Later that season, the team was 5-10 when he was fired.
Singletary stopped the downward spiral that preceded him in San Francisco, but the team never became a winner. His tenure is mainly remembered for him sending star tight end Vernon Davis off the field for being selfish during a game against Seattle. This was followed by Singletary calling out Davis in a press conference dropping the quote: “I want winners. I want people that want to win.”
As his career progressed, Davis credited Singletary with helping him mature as a professional. No matter though, the book on Singletary after he was fired was that he was a great player, great man. Intense, maybe too intense, so much so that he had trouble relating to today’s players.
With an opportunity to take a shot at the current implosion in San Francisco, Singletary looks back at his time with the organization as a blessing — messy and ugly, but a blessing, too.
“It was a tremendous learning experience. A lot of lab work that allowed me to go back and realize that I need to fix some other things in order to come to the right solutions to create the type of winning that I really want to be a part of,” he said.
For the next three seasons, Singletary served as the assistant head coach and linebackers coach for the Vikings. There he worked under his former Bears teammate, head coach Leslie Frazier. Since he left San Francisco, Singletary has had just one interview for a head coaching job, the Bears in 2013. Chicago went with Marc Trestman, who was fired after two seasons.
Mike Ditka, Singletary’s coach with the Bears, believes his former middle linebacker should get another shot as a head coach.
“Football needs coaches like Mike Singletary. It’ll be their loss if they don’t get him back,” Ditka said. Of the all the great players on the historic ’85 Bears defense, Ditka called Singletary the smartest. “Mike was one of those guys who believes there’s one way to do it and that’s the right way.”
That’s the way Singletary has approached preparing for that next head coaching opportunity. He flew from his home in Dallas to Oregon to visit Darrel “Mouse” Davis, a mastermind of the run and shoot offense. They stayed up the first night talking football. They went to sleep for a bit, woke up and put in a seven-hour session. Wanting to learn more about the quarterback position, Singletary met with Chad Pennington. He flew to Atlanta, met a videographer and filmed three hours asking former Ravens All-Pro safety Ed Reed about various offensive and defensive styles.
Singletary has spent over 100 hours mining data from these football minds. He’s filmed about two-thirds of the meetings and he has reviewed almost all of the footage.
When he’s not doing that, he connects with strength and conditioning coaches to better understand injury recovery time. He constantly speaks to Dallas-area neighbor and former NFL official Gary Slaughter about evolving rule changes.
“I’m sure he’s going to move pretty soon because I’m driving him crazy,” Singletary said
Of the 32 head coaches who started the 2010 season — the last time Singletary was a head coach — eight of them are still in the same job. Of the other 24, more than half were either already in their second chance as a head coach or they were hired into a second gig since then. Singletary doesn’t show dismay. He’s got a feeling about his chances this upcoming offseason.
“This is the year.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2015/11/22/mike-singletary-wants-to-be-a-head-coach-again/#2715e4857a0b79ea6d0be8ca
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netnalp
Footballguy
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 17m17 minutes ago
The Patriots have lost linebackers coach Patrick Graham to the Giants, per source. Graham will be the NYG DL coach. Surprising move.
Jeff Howe & #8207;@jeffphowe 15m15 minutes ago
Graham is an outstanding coach. Thought he was the Pats' DC in waiting. Never heard players speak as highly of any other position coach.
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McAdoo seems to be putting together a nice staff. Reese and Spags are the main question marks and the ones on the hot seat if things don't improve.
The Patriots have lost linebackers coach Patrick Graham to the Giants, per source. Graham will be the NYG DL coach. Surprising move.
Jeff Howe & #8207;@jeffphowe 15m15 minutes ago
Graham is an outstanding coach. Thought he was the Pats' DC in waiting. Never heard players speak as highly of any other position coach.
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McAdoo seems to be putting together a nice staff. Reese and Spags are the main question marks and the ones on the hot seat if things don't improve.
Yenrub
Footballguy
7 point plan to improve the Giants
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/01/my_7-point_plan_to_fix_the_giants_raanan.html#8
I happen to like most of them
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/01/my_7-point_plan_to_fix_the_giants_raanan.html#8
I happen to like most of them
RC94
Footballguy
Here are all team's salary cap situations: http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
On my computer you have to scroll down a bit past some ads, but if it's accurate the NYG have a lot of cap space.
On my computer you have to scroll down a bit past some ads, but if it's accurate the NYG have a lot of cap space.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Bromley accused of attempted rape
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/01/giants_defensive_tackle_jay_bromley_being_investig.html#incart_river_index
Guess we need to add another DT to our draft/free agent needs list
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/01/giants_defensive_tackle_jay_bromley_being_investig.html#incart_river_index
Guess we need to add another DT to our draft/free agent needs list
netnalp
Footballguy
From the Daily News:Yenrub said:
A police source did not elaborate why the NYPD would not bring charges, only saying "he didn't do it."
JAY BROMLEY UPDATE…
Following up on Saturday’s story that New York Giants defensive tackle Jay Bromley alleged raped a woman he met online and later struck her with his car, the attorney for Bromley does not believe his client will be charged by police. “We have reviewed the allegations against Mr. Bromley and believe no crime has been committed,” said the attorney. “Accordingly, we do not expect him to be charged.”
The New York Daily News is reporting that a “source with knowledge of the investigation said police believe Bromley’s accuser has ‘significant credibility issues.'” The source told the paper, “They don’t think her story makes any sense.”
The New York Post is reporting that police are examining if the alleged victim has a history of extorting money from celebrities.
Sounds like it's a woman looking for a payday or felt jilted and looking for revenge.
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netnalp
Footballguy
Eagles re-sign DE/DT Curry so that's one guy I was hoping the Giants had a shot at in FA.
Denver's Malick Johnson is another DE/DT type. Beat writers are saying the Broncos probably won't re-sign him because of their commitment with Wolfe and if they keep Miller. But if Peyton retires, wouldn't that free up a lot of cap space?
Denver's Malick Johnson is another DE/DT type. Beat writers are saying the Broncos probably won't re-sign him because of their commitment with Wolfe and if they keep Miller. But if Peyton retires, wouldn't that free up a lot of cap space?
Yenrub
Footballguy
Giants cut Beason, Beatty and Schwartz
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/giants_cuts_jon_beason_geoff_schwartz_and_will_bea.html#incart_river_index
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/giants_cuts_jon_beason_geoff_schwartz_and_will_bea.html#incart_river_index
netnalp
Footballguy
I wonder if they will address defense in FA and take Oline in the first round of the draft?
Yenrub
Footballguy
With Beatty gone I assume the following free agent right tackles have to be on the radar
Joe Barksdale – Chargers – 27 yrs old
Mitchell Schwartz – Browns – 26 yrs old
Ryan Schrader – Falcons – 27 yrs old
Yenrub
Footballguy
So what do we want the Giants to do about the pass rush?
Pro Football Focus has the following free agent rankings for edge rushers
[SIZE=10pt]1.Von Miller – Broncos[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]2.Olivier Vernon – Dolphins[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3.JPP – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]4.Ayers – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]5.William Hayes – Rams[/SIZE]
Walter football DE free agent rankings
[SIZE=10pt]1.Derek Wolfe – Broncos (already resigned)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]2.Vernon – Dolphins[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3.Ayers – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]4.JPP – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]5.Tamba Hali – Chiefs[/SIZE]
Pro Football Focus has the following free agent rankings for edge rushers
[SIZE=10pt]1.Von Miller – Broncos[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]2.Olivier Vernon – Dolphins[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3.JPP – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]4.Ayers – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]5.William Hayes – Rams[/SIZE]
Walter football DE free agent rankings
[SIZE=10pt]1.Derek Wolfe – Broncos (already resigned)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]2.Vernon – Dolphins[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3.Ayers – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]4.JPP – Giants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]5.Tamba Hali – Chiefs[/SIZE]
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/giants-sign-french-wr-anthony-dable/164826834
The New York Giants signed French wide receiver Anthony Dable to a contract, according to American Football International.
Dable, whom the Giants worked out earlier this week, signed a minimum deal with New York, according to AFI, after impressing the team's scouts and coaching staff.
Dable, 27, was part of a program that develops European players. Via AFI:
The 6'5″, 215 lb, 27-year-old Dablé is coming off a superb season winning his second straightGerman Bowl with the Braunschweig New Yorker Lions and the Eurobowl while also helpingFrance to a fourth place finish in the IFAF World Championships.
Widely considered one of the most dangerous receivers and returners in Europe, Dablé had signed to play with France's Aix en Provence Argonautes for the 2016 season. But as is standard, if an opportunity like this arises a player is permitted to sign with a fully professional team.
The New York Giants signed French wide receiver Anthony Dable to a contract, according to American Football International.
Dable, whom the Giants worked out earlier this week, signed a minimum deal with New York, according to AFI, after impressing the team's scouts and coaching staff.
Dable, 27, was part of a program that develops European players. Via AFI:
The 6'5″, 215 lb, 27-year-old Dablé is coming off a superb season winning his second straightGerman Bowl with the Braunschweig New Yorker Lions and the Eurobowl while also helpingFrance to a fourth place finish in the IFAF World Championships.
Widely considered one of the most dangerous receivers and returners in Europe, Dablé had signed to play with France's Aix en Provence Argonautes for the 2016 season. But as is standard, if an opportunity like this arises a player is permitted to sign with a fully professional team.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Giants unsure if JPP can play without club
I don't see how they would know before free agency
McAdoo seems like he wants JPP back
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/ben_mcadoo_says_giants_still_dont_know_if_jason_pi.html#incart_river_index
I don't see how they would know before free agency
McAdoo seems like he wants JPP back
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/02/ben_mcadoo_says_giants_still_dont_know_if_jason_pi.html#incart_river_index
netnalp
Footballguy
Giants. com blurbs from the combine:
- Not much interest by other teams in Prince or JPP. An adviser to 18 teams on FA's is quoted as saying that teams aren't going to offer the money either player is hoping to get.
Sounds like it will come down to where the players want to play or if they get an incentive laden contract somewhere. Sounds like Princes camp think he's worth $12 mill. per year when his market is $8-$9 mill. per year. JPP camp think he's worth $14mill. when his market is expected to be around $9-$11mill.
- Cruz expected to be cleared to run next week. I wonder if he's able to meet that benchmark will determine if he's stays or gets cut.
- Former Bucs GM really likes McAddoo. Says he tried twice to get him to be OC for Tampa but the Packers refused to let him out of his contract. He said when it comes to FA it comes down to asking why would they let them go? Players from cap strapped teams are ok, but if a team with cap room is letting a guy walk, think twice.
- Malik Jackson and Trevathon, two Denver defenders that the Giants might target, will probably hit the market. There's going to be many suitors for those guys.
- Not much interest by other teams in Prince or JPP. An adviser to 18 teams on FA's is quoted as saying that teams aren't going to offer the money either player is hoping to get.
Sounds like it will come down to where the players want to play or if they get an incentive laden contract somewhere. Sounds like Princes camp think he's worth $12 mill. per year when his market is $8-$9 mill. per year. JPP camp think he's worth $14mill. when his market is expected to be around $9-$11mill.
- Cruz expected to be cleared to run next week. I wonder if he's able to meet that benchmark will determine if he's stays or gets cut.
- Former Bucs GM really likes McAddoo. Says he tried twice to get him to be OC for Tampa but the Packers refused to let him out of his contract. He said when it comes to FA it comes down to asking why would they let them go? Players from cap strapped teams are ok, but if a team with cap room is letting a guy walk, think twice.
- Malik Jackson and Trevathon, two Denver defenders that the Giants might target, will probably hit the market. There's going to be many suitors for those guys.
netnalp
Footballguy
FS Tashaun Gipson and RE Olivier Vernon will be pursued by the Giants according to The Newark Star-Ledger's Jordan Raanan.
I'd like it especially if they add RT Schwartz and/or the RG/RT Osemele from the Ravens. A bonus would be Mario Williams and the LB Tahir Whitehead from the Lions.
I'd like it especially if they add RT Schwartz and/or the RG/RT Osemele from the Ravens. A bonus would be Mario Williams and the LB Tahir Whitehead from the Lions.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I'm a bit surprised that the Giants would target Vernon. Miami put the transition tag on him at 12m which means the Giants will have to pay a bit more than that to get him and I don't think he is worth more than 12m.
Seems like a bad year to have a ton of money for free agency.
Seems like a bad year to have a ton of money for free agency.
netnalp
Footballguy
2015 Adjusted Games Lost (NYG lead for 3rd year in a row!)
by Scott Kacsmar
If the Seattle Seahawks are a DVOA dynasty, then the New York Giants are an AGL dynasty after leading the NFL in adjusted games lost to injury for the third consecutive season. Not only have these been league-leading totals, but they are the three-highest totals in our database going back to 2000. Needless to say, there will not be a fireworks display to celebrate this unfathomable achievement. No other team had led in back-to-back years since 2000, because injuries are expected to regress towards the mean. But for the Giants, 2015 was just another year of black-and-blue hurt with no postseason play.
The Giants have had very durable quarterback play with Eli Manning's ironman streak alive and well, but almost everywhere else this team has just been wrecked by injury for three years running. This year, the Giants went into Week 1 in bad shape with left tackle Will Beatty (torn pectoral in May while lifting weights), Victor Cruz (setbacks in PCL recovery) and Jason Pierre-Paul (fireworks accident) all on the mend. The Giants placed four safeties on injured reserve before September. You knew a significant Jon Beason injury was right around the corner, and even blocking tight end Daniel Fells had the battle of his life with MRSA.
New York earned the three-peat the hard way. Teams like Baltimore and New England may have had more high-profile injuries, but by sheer volume, no one topped the Giants again.
These numbers do not simply add up the number of games missed. With Football Outsiders' adjusted games lost (AGL) metric, we are able to quantify how much teams were affected by injuries based on two principles: (1) Injuries to starters, replacement starters, and important situational reserves (No. 3 wide receiver, nickelback, etc.) matter more than injuries to bench warmers; and (2) Injured players who do take the field are usually playing with reduced ability, which is why AGL is based not strictly on whether the player is active for the game or not, but instead is based on the player's listed status that week (IR/PUP, out, doubtful, questionable or probable).
As long as NFL teams are solely responsible for producing weekly injury reports, we cannot say that every single injury has been accounted for, but secrecy is an unavoidable aspect of this part of the game.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/2015-adjusted-games-lost
by Scott Kacsmar
If the Seattle Seahawks are a DVOA dynasty, then the New York Giants are an AGL dynasty after leading the NFL in adjusted games lost to injury for the third consecutive season. Not only have these been league-leading totals, but they are the three-highest totals in our database going back to 2000. Needless to say, there will not be a fireworks display to celebrate this unfathomable achievement. No other team had led in back-to-back years since 2000, because injuries are expected to regress towards the mean. But for the Giants, 2015 was just another year of black-and-blue hurt with no postseason play.
The Giants have had very durable quarterback play with Eli Manning's ironman streak alive and well, but almost everywhere else this team has just been wrecked by injury for three years running. This year, the Giants went into Week 1 in bad shape with left tackle Will Beatty (torn pectoral in May while lifting weights), Victor Cruz (setbacks in PCL recovery) and Jason Pierre-Paul (fireworks accident) all on the mend. The Giants placed four safeties on injured reserve before September. You knew a significant Jon Beason injury was right around the corner, and even blocking tight end Daniel Fells had the battle of his life with MRSA.
New York earned the three-peat the hard way. Teams like Baltimore and New England may have had more high-profile injuries, but by sheer volume, no one topped the Giants again.
These numbers do not simply add up the number of games missed. With Football Outsiders' adjusted games lost (AGL) metric, we are able to quantify how much teams were affected by injuries based on two principles: (1) Injuries to starters, replacement starters, and important situational reserves (No. 3 wide receiver, nickelback, etc.) matter more than injuries to bench warmers; and (2) Injured players who do take the field are usually playing with reduced ability, which is why AGL is based not strictly on whether the player is active for the game or not, but instead is based on the player's listed status that week (IR/PUP, out, doubtful, questionable or probable).
As long as NFL teams are solely responsible for producing weekly injury reports, we cannot say that every single injury has been accounted for, but secrecy is an unavoidable aspect of this part of the game.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/2015-adjusted-games-lost
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netnalp
Footballguy
On Giants.com , Big Blue Live, they interviewed a former agent. The agent said that the price on Vernon might not be a high as people are thinking. Miami is unlikely to match any offer because they don't have the cap space. Also he pointed out, if Miami really wanted to keep him, they'd have put the exclusive rights tag or the one where they'd get two #1 picks. Seems like Miami is hoping someone will offer a trade to the Dolphins instead of getting into a bidding war with the other teams after Vernon.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Giants interested in Mario Williams. He is however visiting with Miami today
http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/3/5/11165714/nfl-free-agency-rumors-giants-interested-in-de-mario-williams-miami-dolphins
http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/3/5/11165714/nfl-free-agency-rumors-giants-interested-in-de-mario-williams-miami-dolphins
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