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To be honest, no really memorable hands. Had pocket aces once and kings once but didn't get much play out of them.Great job not busting out early! Any memorable wins?
To be honest, no really memorable hands. Had pocket aces once and kings once but didn't get much play out of them.Great job not busting out early! Any memorable wins?
That's frustrating. I am sure there will be something cool before the tournament is over!To be honest, no really memorable hands. Had pocket aces once and kings once but didn't get much play out of them.
Mathematically it is a HELL of a lot different.No different than folding 56 and watching 665 come on the flop
The problem is, if he "hits." What does he do if an ace hits the flop? He's probably in second place at best, but it's really easy to bleed chips in that spot.The correct play is to fold, but with a 100bb I'm going to call 2k. Looks like be had position on the two prior. I'm this tournament, you need to play cheap shots for possible large pots. Two percent is not a big loss if someone squeezes afterwards or he misses.
The other problem is what about the 20 other times he gets this kind of hand and it's raised preflop? That 50k turns into 30k REALLY quick making marginal preflop calls like this. Especially at a new table with no reads on the players.The problem is, if he "hits." What does he do if an ace hits the flop? He's probably in second place at best, but it's really easy to bleed chips in that spot.
If he hits the flush on the flop, an ace can't hit. is that what you meant?The problem is, if he "hits." What does he do if an ace hits the flop? He's probably in second place at best, but it's really easy to bleed chips in that spot.
He has the ace. A ton of the people playing inn that game would try and limp in with that hand.The problem is, if he "hits." What does he do if an ace hits the flop? He's probably in second place at best, but it's really easy to bleed chips in that spot.
This was basically my thinking exactly. At the table I sat at for 9.5 hours of play before this, I may have called depending on who was before me since I've seen their tendencies all day. At a new table, first hand, I didn't like the risk.The other problem is what about the 20 other times he gets this kind of hand and it's raised preflop? That 50k turns into 30k REALLY quick making marginal preflop calls like this. Especially at a new table with no reads on the players.
Sure, it's only 5% of his chips. This hand. But do that over and over and it adds up when you don't hit. And if you aren't going to do it every time, then why this hand? I'm sorry, but in this situation it's not the right play unless you get a read that one of the raisers is ready to donate chips.
"I don't know if I'm good enough to fold this. I guess you could have ace-seven of hearts so I have to call." No pocket 7's. Now GTFO.Watching Day 1B...Vanessa Selbst got hammered by Gaelle Baumann. Boat ran into quads. Goodbye, Vanessa.
No. I mean there's no flush but an ace comes. His ace is probably second best at that point.If he hits the flush on the flop, an ace can't hit. is that what you meant?
Oh, other than A-A-4 flop, you fold at that point. You are strictly playing to flop a huge hand if not the nuts.No. I mean there's no flush but an ace comes. His ace is probably second best at that point.
or third best in this case.No. I mean there's no flush but an ace comes. His ace is probably second best at that point.
But the problem is it is hard to get away from that hand sometimes. If both people check, do you bet? Playing A-junk is just a recipe for disaster because chances are small that you hit it, and if you do hit part of it (2 clubs?) it's hard to get away from.Oh, other than A-A-4 flop, you fold at that point. You are strictly playing to flop a huge hand if not the nuts.
I would check. It is a recipe for disaster. If you hit 2 clubs, you check as well. It's a garbage hand so you are just hoping to get lucky at the flop, turn or river if you can limp to the end without committing more chips.But the problem is it is hard to get away from that hand sometimes. If both people check, do you bet? Playing A-junk is just a recipe for disaster because chances are small that you hit it, and if you do hit part of it (2 clubs?) it's hard to get away from.
30 min left to playTAnd if you aren't going to do it every time, then why this hand?
But it was sooooted....Two cards of the same suit and you folded? Newb
More than likely, if you play it, it is better to raise it in that situation.Yeah I fold that hand with a two-bet into me and that stack every time.
This.More than likely, if you play it, it is better to raise it in that situation.
I didn't want to go too deep but 6500, gives you a chance to win outright on the squeeze and/or gives you info when they act. If they reraise, easy fold, if one or both call, free flop, plus call narrows their range.This.
Especially being new to the table. I wouldn't argue raising to $6500 here. Much better than flat calling with others left to act behind.
Exactly. I was going to type out this exact response when I first wrote it. When you look at the money amount, I'd rather do this once than flat call 3 1/2 times. I'm much more likely to flat call with a J10s or KQs type hand that has more ways to win, is easier to get away from, and works well in a multi pot where I can see the flop as cheaply as possible when I'm in good position. If I'm playing a marginal hand like A4s or even something like a 56, then I'm raising to limit their calling range, take control, and see what happens.FatUncleJerryBuss said:I didn't want to go too deep but 6500, gives you a chance to win outright on the squeeze and/or gives you info when they act. If they reraise, easy fold, if one or both call, free flop, plus call narrows their range.
I didnt, but a few friends were watching and didnt see me at all.FatUncleJerryBuss said:Did you watch espn2 to see if you were on?
If they won't interfere with your play, then there's really no downside. If even one person gets a read off of you based on your eyes, then it's worth it. That said, some people are good at changing up how they act and want people to try and get a read on them. If you're that person, then that's fine to go without them.Here's a question - about half my table had sunglasses on. What are your thoughts on sunglasses? I picked some up yesterday but not related to wanting to wear them tomorrow. But if they consensus here is that I should, I will.
I always have them, play 90% without them. Only wear when hungover. I you are new to this as you say. Glasses won't hide tells. Just act the same way on all big decisions.Here's a question - about half my table had sunglasses on. What are your thoughts on sunglasses? I picked some up yesterday but not related to wanting to wear them tomorrow. But if they consensus here is that I should, I will.
Exactly, for the most part the "tells" arent in the eyes its how you play certain scenarios.I always have them, play 90% without them. Only wear when hungover. I you are new to this as you say. Glasses won't hide tells. Just act the same way on all big decisions.
The shark move, when you are weak act normal. When strong go into shell.
They should be banned but, if you can't look back at someone when they're looking at you, it's basic equipmentHere's a question - about half my table had sunglasses on. What are your thoughts on sunglasses? I picked some up yesterday but not related to wanting to wear them tomorrow. But if they consensus here is that I should, I will.
Yep, bolded is really important. In particular, the biggest thing is how you bet. If you announce a bet, do it every single time you bet. If you slide your chips in, then slide your chips in every time (vs. stack vs. toss, etc.). Take your time before every bet and focus on doing it exactly the same every single time.I always have them, play 90% without them. Only wear when hungover. I you are new to this as you say. Glasses won't hide tells. Just act the same way on all big decisions.
The shark move, when you are weak act normal. When strong go into shell.
Actually, it has more to do with blinking than anything else. People that bluff have a tendency to blink more often. Sunglasses can help hide that.The only real eye tell is when the flop hits good for a player they instinctively look down at their chips. So when you are in on the flop, look at the other players in when the dealers spreads it. So you can see if they look down. And they get no reaction from you.
But really it happens all the time, if you watch your opponents on the flop and they connect. They look at their chips.Actually, it has more to do with blinking than anything else. People that bluff have a tendency to blink more often. Sunglasses can help hide that.
At the same time, you can use that to your advantage if you don't wear them. You just have to be aware of these things and figure out which way would work to your advantage more.
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Best advice yet in this threadI like to say "Yahtzee" or "Bingo" whenever an Ace is flopped.
I read Joe's book years ago. It was very interesting and he said the #1 tell was what people do with their feet. I've won a few hands using this....Actually, it has more to do with blinking than anything else. People that bluff have a tendency to blink more often. Sunglasses can help hide that.
At the same time, you can use that to your advantage if you don't wear them. You just have to be aware of these things and figure out which way would work to your advantage more.
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I always yell "gimme a deuce". It confuses them on many levels.I like to say "Yahtzee" or "Bingo" whenever an Ace is flopped.
I may try yelling this before scampering off to the bathroom if I feel like I need to step away from the table for a few min to regroupI always yell "gimme a deuce". It confuses them on many levels.
Plus, you got to leave early to beat the insane bathroom rush.I may try yelling this before scampering off to the bathroom if I feel like I need to step away from the table for a few min to regroup
Yep. The only universal thing I've learned is that nothing is universal when it comes to tells. But, lots of players have tells, some bigger than others, and especially with players that get involved in a lot of hands, if you focus on just a couple people at the table, especially over a long period of time like you'll have in this tourney, then it can pay off.I read Joe's book years ago. It was very interesting and he said the #1 tell was what people do with their feet. I've won a few hands using this....
My other thing from his book is that people are different. I'm 57. I've sat down at the table and had a forearm muscle twitch for a minute out of the blue and laughed to myself that someone might think that's a tell. It's not LOL. Joe said you have to get a baseline on each player and then see how they act differently from that.
I don't where glasses. Never felt comfortable wearing them. I do try to have the same mannerisms on every hand.
That's a tell.Yep. The only universal thing I've learned is that nothing is universal when it comes to tells. But, lots of players have tells, some bigger than others, and especially with players that get involved in a lot of hands, if you focus on just a couple people at the table, especially over a long period of time like you'll have in this tourney, then it can pay off.
I've used the feet thing myself. I've also used the chip betting method. I've watched guys slide their chips in and flip over a big hand then down the road call a bluff pretty confidently when they toss their chips in.
I am cold all the time when I sit and play and will often time shiver, rub my hands together, etc. I always wonder if people ever try to get a read off that stuff. That said, I never use sunglasses either. At most, I'll put a hat on and put my head down if I'm involved with a big hand if I'm trying to give away as little as possible. I've also been told that I'm really difficult to read because of how I vary my betting patterns so I worry very little about my physical tells.