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Andre Williams - RB (1 Viewer)

With the Wilson news I think Williams value increases some. Jennings will be the primary back, without question, because that is how Tom Coughlin rolls. You can't discount a coaches history in these situations and Coughlin has started a rookie RB for an extended period twice in his career; James Stewart in 1995 which was his first year in the NFL and with an expansion team and Fred Taylor 1998 and that happened because Stewart blew out his knee in week 3. So put your money on Coughlin wanting the steady and unspectacular veteran who can keep Manning's jersey clean over the flashy rookie who hasn't proven he won't get Manning killed.

With Wilson out you have to imagine that Williams is going to see more PT than previously but his primary value is going to be as a goal line/short yardage specialist which is not an insignificant roll. If he proves he can pick up blitzes during the course of this season his PT will increase but as of today don't expect him to light the world on fire.

 
I think the good versions of Law Firm or Shonn Greene are more realistic upside expectations if he gets the workload. He runs with more power than both, but the lack of lateral movement + long speed limits things like they did with both of them.
I think you're missing it here. Actually, I understand your caution but wish to elaborate. The fact that Williams isn't worth a dam in the passing game was already factored into his price (so was suspect agility). If you really think he's just another Law Firm then scratch anything I have to say next. A 230 pound RB that runs a 4.5+ is insane. That's where the LawFirm/ A. Morris comps become interesting. He's bigger and faster than those guys are. If his coaches use him to his strengths he can be an A-level performer. You can't really question his top speed because when he reaches the second level he's 20-40 pounds bigger than anyone who could possibly catch him at that point. The real question is does his size/speed combo outweigh the negatives?On the other end of the spectrum, where you reside, he's likely just a part of a committee. Williams was a hard one for me to get a hold on. I can see a scenario where he's a low-end 2 at best. Last night he was just playing at another speed than anyone else in that backfield. That was evident. We have to talk up somebody after watching a boring preseason game. It's Williams.

I want no parts Williams in redraft. Williams just likely made Jennings a bargain over the next few weeks. It'll take some time for him to payoff if he does. Non-ppr is a different case.

In dynasty, I already landed him in the 3rd for most of my drafts. I'd likely pay up for him now too. He's just as likely to to be relevant as any of the other backs going in his range. I'm buying

 
I think the good versions of Law Firm or Shonn Greene are more realistic upside expectations if he gets the workload. He runs with more power than both, but the lack of lateral movement + long speed limits things like they did with both of them.
I think you're missing it here. Actually, I understand your caution but wish to elaborate. The fact that Williams isn't worth a dam in the passing game was already factored into his price (so was suspect agility). If you really think he's just another Law Firm then scratch anything I have to say next. A 230 pound RB that runs a 4.5+ is insane. That's where the LawFirm/ A. Morris comps become interesting. He's bigger and faster than those guys are. If his coaches use him to his strengths he can be an A-level performer. You can't really question his top speed because when he reaches the second level he's 20-40 pounds bigger than anyone who could possibly catch him at that point. The real question is does his size/speed combo outweigh the negatives?On the other end of the spectrum, where you reside, he's likely just a part of a committee. Williams was a hard one for me to get a hold on. I can see a scenario where he's a low-end 2 at best. Last night he was just playing at another speed than anyone else in that backfield. That was evident. We have to talk up somebody after watching a boring preseason game. It's Williams.

I want no parts Williams in redraft. Williams just likely made Jennings a bargain over the next few weeks. It'll take some time for him to payoff if he does. Non-ppr is a different case.

In dynasty, I already landed him in the 3rd for most of my drafts. I'd likely pay up for him now too. He's just as likely to to be relevant as any of the other backs going in his range. I'm buying
Completely agree with all of this and the projections of 200+ carries and 40-45 catches for Jennings if healthy. And yes, the odds of Andre Williams ever catching 40 balls in a season are very slim. Here are some guys with their catches from last season:

Marshawn Lynch (36), CJ Spiller (33), Adrian Peterson (29), Ryan Mathews (26), Montee Ball (20), Frank Gore (16). There are plenty of productive runners that aren't studs in the passing game. If Williams can even develop an acceptable pass-catching level, he'll be fine.

I talked about Williams in this thread in May, and I was on board then. What I saw last night was not really beyond my expectations. The guy runs hard. He runs with power. He's not afraid of initiating contact. But what sets him apart in my mind is the speed. It's not so much that he's a 4.5 guy, but how fast he is with pads on. Basically any highlight of his where he breaks loose, nobody is catching him. The amount of big runs he had is certainly not indicative of a slow, straight-line plodder.

http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/RB-Andre-Williams-21-yard-run/48cd9e01-ca73-4497-b048-d50bde76b457

Forget about first team / second team. When he turns the corner, he's playing at a different speed than everyone on the field. If there are Law Firm or Shonn Greene highlights where they get to the edge and turn the corner at that speed, I certainly haven't seen them. I'm a huge fan of his speed/size combo, and I think he's going to have a lot of success in this league if he stays healthy.

Jennings is 29 after all and Williams hasn't turned 22 yet. If Williams has 100 carries for 450 yards and 5 TDs, and the Giants make him the starter next offseason, just think about where he'd rank among dynasty RBs. All of the potential is there.

 
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As for EBF's post of Williams getting 150-180 carries? Without a Jennings injury, I don't see how that's even remotely feasible. He'll come in to spell Jennings a few times a game and get the goal line looks. I'd be shocked if he got more than 5-8 touches a game though which would put him in that 125ish range. And I doubt he averages that, there's going to be games where he doesn't see more than 1-2 goal line looks. I'd say he gets about 100-125 carries this season MAX.
The Giants under Coughlin averaged 451 rushes a season if you take away last year where they ran for 381. That's a swing of 70 rushing attempts. Coughlin OBVIOUSLY wants to get back to what won them two titles in the past which was the running game. I'd be shocked if they ran less than 425 plays on the ground this year. So even if by some miracle Williams took 180 carries, you're still talking 245 carries left over. Take away a few for random QB runs and stuff. You're probably still looking at the worst case for Jennings to be like 230 rushes and around 50 receptions which as long as he doesn't pull a Ray Rice with 3.1ypc puts him in solid RB2 range, with or without Williams.
50 catches is pretty optimistic for Jennings. That would rank him around the top 10-15 RBs in the NFL. A few scrubs managed to eclipse that mark last season (Moreno, J Bell). But generally that's the territory of pass-catching specialists/dynamic playmakers like Woodhead, Sproles, Bush, McCoy, Charles, and Bernard. Jennings has a career best of 36 catches in a season. It's possible that he'll top 50 this year, but maybe not likely and certainly not a given.

When it comes to situations where there's no clear proven starter, my typical strategy is to target the most talented player assuming that the cream will rise to the top. Therein lies my problem with Jennings. I believe he's the second most talented runner on his own team (ignoring Wilson). I can't confidently project workhorse carries for a player like that. I'll maintain that this is likely to be an ugly RBBC and that Williams could even wrestle away the majority of the carries by the end of the season.
How is that relevant, when he's been a career backup? - playing behind a very good pass catching back in MJD.
That's a fair point, although he had a good opportunity in Oakland.

I don't think Jennings is some kind of a big weapon in the passing game. He's not a Sproles, Bush, or Bernard. He's just a mediocre big back who has the ability to catch the ball. It's a nice attribute, but more as a safety valve than a guy who commands targets. If you look at the backs who had 50+ catches last year, most of them are a lot more dynamic. The closest thing to him is Joique Bell, who played on a very pass-happy team. I won't say it's impossible for Jennings to duplicate his production, but already gave some reasons for my reluctance to invest in him.

I also think people assuming that Andre Williams has absolutely zero to offer in the passing game might be exaggerating things a little bit. Williams is no Bernard/Sproles in his own right, but then again neither is Jennings. If he can just function as a reliable safety valve then that will take away a lot of the advantage that Jennings holds over him. Bear in mind that Coughlin has typically had a soft spot for two-down types with spotty receiving skills (Brandon Jacobs, Andre Brown). Given that, his BC ties, and the fact that I simply think Williams is a more dynamic talent than Jennings, and I'm just not getting on the Jennings bus.
Stating his 36 "career best" season for receptions is silly. Last year he had 8 games under 13 carries, essentially used in a part time role in those games. His other 8 games where he eclipsed 13 carries he totaled 27 receptions... averaged out and extrapolated to a full lead back role he'd have come in around 54 receptions last season on an offense that was just as bad as NY's last year. NY has a lot better weapons to open up the field for him this year as well. On top of that, with the O-Line being this bad and the screen game being an obvious focus, I think about 45 (+/- 5) is a perfect projection for him if he stays healthy the whole season. With 55 (+/- 5) being his ceiling. He had two games last year against WAS & PHI (teams he'll see twice this year) where he caught 8/71 (WAS) and 7/74 (PHI). All I'm saying is he could easily put up enough production via the air to couple in with around 200-225 carries to make him a high RB2 or low end RB1 if he gets lucky on some TD scoring.

 
uptick to williams, but any fumbilitis and he will be in trouble as we know from d wilson, coughlin is not a huge fan of rookies.

i think the uptick is for hillis and jennings with a slight uptick for williams.

but that being siad, if he doesnt fumble there is a good opptunity here for him to make some good noise...

 
A guy who by definition is the hammer in a RBBC has long odds to be a top FF RB. He'll have value for sure, IMO. But top FF RB? Maybe in standard scoring, but I don't know of many leagues that haven't gone to performance based scoring, much less his weakness in ppr scoring.

 
While I am happy as a Giants fan and as a Williams owner to see what I did last night, we need to calm our expectations here. A lot of his work came in when the Giants 1st team was playing against the Bills 2nd team. He did show nice burst, but he also had some nice holes to run through as well. I hope he learns to not try to dish out punishment at the end of every run though or else he won't hold up.

Definitely nothing but positives after watching him play last night but I wish I saw him run against some tougher competition. I'd like to see if he's one of those guys like Morris that always falls forward 2-3 yards even if he's hit behind the line or if he's more like Brandon Jacobs that only falls forward if he gets 5-10 yards to build up speed and get his power.
Agreed, people are getting WAY ahead of themselves. When the Giants #1s were playing the Bills #1s it was all Jennings on the field. And to the people saying Jennings isn't valuable enough as a 3-5th round pick in redrafts this year are high. Realize there were only two drives of 1s vs 1s (NYG O vs BUF D). Each was a 3 and out (well Eli fumbled on the 2nd drive after a first down) but 7 plays in total none the less. Of those 7 plays... 5 of them went through Jennings. Then when they came back out against the 2nd team for the Bills they ran 11 plays in total 5 of which went through Jennings. So 18 plays and Jennings amounted for 10 of them. Obviously, he can't maintain that type of ratio in a real season game. But to everyone freaking about Williams, relax he saw 4 plays with the #1 offense against the #2 defense. Jennings got more touches than him with the #1 offense even after the #2's came out for Buffalo.

To me? The biggest take away from last night that everyone seems to be ignoring. Rashad Jennings caught 3 passes on 7 offensive snaps. If anything, his value is arrow up for me and with the Williams production the other big takeaway from me would be to arrow down the WRs as that O-Line looked like a dumpster fire covered in sh%7 last night. Eli was more or less snapping the ball and getting it away to his RB because he was about to be laid a second or two later. I have a feeling these may have a lot of screen game type production this season with less to go around for the actual wide-outs. Think Kansas City (or Detroit minus Calvin) more so than Green Bay.
Also what you need to realize is that against the #1's, Jennings did nothing on the ground. He got a couple yards on passes, but for the most part, lost yardage running against the Bills #1's. You see the high work load as a positive, and I look at that work load and see that he didn't do much with it against the starters. Daryl Richardson got a ton of work last year with the starters, didn't do much with it and is now a special teamer.

Yes, the RB was used a lot in that game. One guy only did well against the #2's as a runner and was decent in the passing game but not great. Something tells me that we are going to see what Williams can do against the #1's in game two.

 
Peyton Hillis (ankle, foot) will be sidelined for "a while."

It sounds like more than just a minor sprain for the reliable yet painfully slow Hillis, who was ticketed for third-string duties behind Rashad Jennings and Andre Williams. With David Wilson (neck) done and now Hillis sidelined, the Giants are going to need to add a back.
Chiga chuga chiga chuga chiga chuga... Whooo whooooooooooo.....

Hype train is officially leaving the station... Williams is now 2nd on the depth chart by default. :popcorn:
 
Peyton Hillis (ankle, foot) will be sidelined for "a while."

It sounds like more than just a minor sprain for the reliable yet painfully slow Hillis, who was ticketed for third-string duties behind Rashad Jennings and Andre Williams. With David Wilson (neck) done and now Hillis sidelined, the Giants are going to need to add a back.
Chiga chuga chiga chuga chiga chuga... Whooo whooooooooooo.....

Hype train is officially leaving the station... Williams is now 2nd on the depth chart by default. :popcorn:
That ain't sayin' much.... He has nothing in front of him (or behind), but I'm not sure he has the skill or maturity (Coughlin and rookie RB's) to be the guy.

 
Peyton Hillis (ankle, foot) will be sidelined for "a while."

It sounds like more than just a minor sprain for the reliable yet painfully slow Hillis, who was ticketed for third-string duties behind Rashad Jennings and Andre Williams. With David Wilson (neck) done and now Hillis sidelined, the Giants are going to need to add a back.
Chiga chuga chiga chuga chiga chuga... Whooo whooooooooooo.....

Hype train is officially leaving the station... Williams is now 2nd on the depth chart by default. :popcorn:
That ain't sayin' much.... He has nothing in front of him (or behind), but I'm not sure he has the skill or maturity (Coughlin and rookie RB's) to be the guy.
2 letters for you ... BC

 
From an SI pre-draft series. In his final year at BC, Williams added 10 lbs., sacrificing some speed for power. He reportedly ran a sub-4.4 the year before bulking up. His top end speed does look better than 2013 power RBs Lacy and Bell, and 2014 versions Hyde and Hill (and I don't think any of them had close to the 38" VJ noted below).

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/25/andre-williams-rookie-journey-the-mmqb/

Improved over the combine in some areas at his pro day. His second 40 an unofficial sub-4.5. I think he stood on his 38" VJ, similar to Mason, and one of the best marks after McKinnon, both smaller RBs (third best broad jump among RBs), flashing explosiveness. Article decribes a pro day rehearsal in which he caught 17 of 18 pass attempts, 7 of 8 at his pro day and catching the attention of scouts by looking markedly more natural. He probably will never be great at it or capable of intricate route running like Bernard, but I could see him at some point in the future being functional and able to catch a several yard flip on a screen. Jennings deserves to start for now until injured or outplayed, but Williams could have the talent to encroach on his carries as the season progresses, and be a threat to a more prominent RBBC role in 2015.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/03/14/andre-williams-nfl-draft-journey/

I'm sure there are other examples, but the plays at the 2:10 and 4:06 marks show a modicum of ability for a 230 lb. RB to redirect and make the first defender miss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE

 
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Where is this guy typically getting drafted in rookie drafts? I'm guessing second round.......
I snagged him in the late 3rd round back in June. I suspect he was going in the late 2nd / 3rd in general before the D. Wilson retirement.

 
Williams was 11-49-1 with a 33 yard run late in the regular season tune up.

Jennings was 13-67 with a 23 yard run.

 
Is Williams going to be the TD vulture for Jennings?
I don't see the Giants just throwing in Williams every single goal line situation. Jennings will get plenty of chances inside the 5. I'd wager a bet they split the goal line carries.

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
But what do you think of his fantasy prospects THIS season?

 
Did anyone notice that Jennings got almost all the carries at the start of the game?

Williams had 1 touch with the starters in the 1st half.

 
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He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
So - you are feeling pretty good about your projection on Andre Williams.

How about your projection on Kelvin Benjamin???

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
So - you are feeling pretty good about your projection on Andre Williams.

How about your projection on Kelvin Benjamin???
Why don't you quote him in the Kelvin Benjamin thread for this, instead of trying to play the "gotcha!" game in the Andre Williams thread? Thanks.

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
But what do you think of his fantasy prospects THIS season?
I'm not expecting much at this point, but it's a long season and a lot can happen with injuries and Jennings struggling. I think Jennings has an edge in experience, pass blocking, and receiving. I think Williams is the better pure runner. Most likely Jennings will be the guy with Williams in spot duty. You never know though. He would be a decent pick for the end of your bench in a deep league. It's kind of a similar deal for Tre Mason. Both guys might well be the best runners on their teams. Neither is likely to have huge redraft value out of the gate. We forget it now, but even players like Gore, Charles, and Rice did not just walk into the starting lineup from day one. Even if they're ultimately more talented than the guy(s) ahead of them, there's often a 1-2 year process of working them in if the team isn't desperate and doesn't NEED to start them from day one for lack of any halfway decent options (see: Lacy, Stacy, and Bell last year).

 
Did anyone notice that Jennings got almost all the carries at the start of the game?

Williams had 1 touch with the starters in the 1st half.
I did ... he looked good. It's clear he is the guy and he's going to get a lot of touches ... just don't think the Giants are going to be too good offensively

Andre Williams didn't get a any yardage at all on his first 5 or 6 carries but he was getting mauled in the backfield. He looked real good later on when he got some blocking

 
I think the thing with Williams is going to be about game scrpts. If the giants have a lead, Williams will get more touches. However, if they dont and they are constantly coming from behind (as their offense indicates they may be) i think Jennings will be the guy in there.

 
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Williams led the NCAA in 20+ yard runs last season. Through 38 preseason carries, he already has three 20+ yard runs in the NFL. That's an unsustainable ratio and the sample size is tiny, but it's nice when guys look like the same player in the NFL that they were in college.

 
I have watched many people (not necessarily here) look for reasons to say Williams is not the future in NY. All he has done is go out and look good. Is he Jamaal Charles? No. But boy can he run. I drafted Williams in the late second (to pair with Jennings) and haven't look back since. He is a damn good back and I think its time people started taking notice. Someone mentioned the Giants as a possible team in search of a high pick RB next season. I just can't see it. These two (Jennings and Williams) are the only bright spots on this ugly offense.

 
watched a bit of the game last night, he had that really nice run..earlier, he had a nice big hole to the right, but for some reason,he went left and got a 3-yard gain.probably would have gotten 10+ if he went right.did the same thing on a play near the goalline, squirted left, instead of following his blockers to the right, even Carl Banks mentioned it , that he needs to follow his blockers more..

I think he's going to be a beast this season..Jennings is good,but can he stay healthy ?

perhaps he's the guy to wear down defenses in the first half,while Williams pounds them in the second half? either way,it looks like the Giants can run the ball, which means each guy , Jennings and Williams, will have significant value in a Coughlin two-back offense..

 
Jennings is good,but can he stay healthy ?
I don't think it would take a Jennings injury to make Williams very fantasy-relevant.

Jennings is a solid RB, but he's also a 29-year-old journeyman who performed very well last year and is not nearly as entrenched as many other starting RBs around the league. Time will tell whether last year was a fluke for Jennings, and if it was, Williams could take over at some point.

 
Jennings is good,but can he stay healthy ?
I don't think it would take a Jennings injury to make Williams very fantasy-relevant.

Jennings is a solid RB, but he's also a 29-year-old journeyman who performed very well last year and is not nearly as entrenched as many other starting RBs around the league. Time will tell whether last year was a fluke for Jennings, and if it was, Williams could take over at some point.
He was stuck behind MJD in Jacksonville for a few years (plus he was put on IR twice there), and then he went to Oakland last year, and he played well there. He is good, but he isn't young by football years, and he isn't always sturdy. He catches passes better than Williams. I picture this year as Jennings playing the role that Tiki and Bradshaw played, and Williams playing Brandon Jacobs role.

 
Jennings is good,but can he stay healthy ?
I don't think it would take a Jennings injury to make Williams very fantasy-relevant.

Jennings is a solid RB, but he's also a 29-year-old journeyman who performed very well last year and is not nearly as entrenched as many other starting RBs around the league. Time will tell whether last year was a fluke for Jennings, and if it was, Williams could take over at some point.
He was stuck behind MJD in Jacksonville for a few years (plus he was put on IR twice there), and then he went to Oakland last year, and he played well there. He is good, but he isn't young by football years, and he isn't always sturdy. He catches passes better than Williams. I picture this year as Jennings playing the role that Tiki and Bradshaw played, and Williams playing Brandon Jacobs role.
I could see that. My sense is that while Jennings will get a healthy workload, he is not going to be the all-purpose workhorse that some may have expected and drafted accordingly.

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
I wouldn't go that far. Williams is still useless in the pass game.

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
I wouldn't go that far. Williams is still useless in the pass game.
Whereas Sankey is useless in every facet of the game.

Williams is most valuable in deep mandatory 2 RB leagues. If you're in that type of league then you've got 24-28 RBs starting every week at a minimum. Based on what I've seen from him, I think he has a good chance to have some top 24-28 seasons. I would not chase him too hard in 1 RB leagues because he will never catch enough passes to be an elite option, but at least he looks like he belongs in the NFL as an athlete and runner.

 
EBF, I'm getting an entrenched Shonn Greene position vibe here.

Do you see AW as comparable?

 
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EBF, I'm getting an entrenched Shonn Greene position vibe here.

Do you see AW as comparable?
My first post in this thread:

Not a big fan of the Greene comparison. I think Andre Williams is a slightly misunderstood player. He is characterized by some as a plodder, but he actually has pretty good explosiveness (look at his 10'9" broad jump and his solid 40 time for a big back). He's a long strider who isn't very good at operating in tight windows though. Not good at weaving through blockers and changing directions on a dime. Basically a one cut and go type of guy like McFadden, but with less speed and a much bigger frame. Never gonna create his own yards with footwork and elusiveness, but he's not sluggish or slow.
I don't know where the Greene comparisons come from. Apart from being big backs with spotty hands, the two players don't have all that much in common. Williams is very athletic and explosive. Two qualities that he doesn't get enough credit for. He ran 4.50 at the combine at 230 pounds and jumped 10'9" in the broad jump. Greene ran 4.62 and jumped okay, but not as well as Williams. Both players had monster final seasons in college, but Williams was more adept at busting big plays. He had 26 20+ yard runs on 355 carries compared to 16 for Greene on 307 carries.

Physically, they run a lot differently. Greene is compact and efficient. Williams has a very weird running style, with his long deliberate strides making him look like he's always out of control. It's not the prettiest or smoothest running style you'll ever see. It seems to be effective though. Watch a Greene run and a Williams run and you'll see that their carriages are totally different. Anatomically, Greene is short and squatty whereas Williams seems like he's running on kangaroo legs. That's where Andre's long speed comes from, but also why he looks so strange weaving through traffic.

All that being said, Greene had two top 20 PPR finishes. He's still in the league after five seasons and he might even be starting this year. His career has been a success overall. Williams is listed at RB51 in the latest DLF staff rankings. I think that's criminally low and probably not a reflection of his actual market value. I would expect his price to have risen after the Wilson situation and a strong preseason, but if he costs something like RB30-RB35 and merely duplicates Greene's career then I'd consider that a decent return on my investment. I don't think he's locked into that kind of outcome though. He looks like a cross between Jamal Lewis and Alfred Morris.

 
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EBF said:
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
I wouldn't go that far. Williams is still useless in the pass game.
Whereas Sankey is useless in every facet of the game.

Williams is most valuable in deep mandatory 2 RB leagues. If you're in that type of league then you've got 24-28 RBs starting every week at a minimum. Based on what I've seen from him, I think he has a good chance to have some top 24-28 seasons. I would not chase him too hard in 1 RB leagues because he will never catch enough passes to be an elite option, but at least he looks like he belongs in the NFL as an athlete and runner.
Really...

I've bookmarked this post for later...

 
Rotoworld:

Coaches have told ESPN's Dan Graziano that Andre Williams is "still a bit too raw for them to count on him extensively, at least at the beginning of the season."

Rashad Jennings is shaping up as both the passing back and the primary ball carrier for the Giants. Williams will sprinkle in little for short-yardage, change-of-pace and goal-line work. We're not blown away by Jennings' raw talent, but there aren't many three-down workhorse backs left in the league. His current ADP is in the late-third or early-fourth round.

Related: Rashad Jennings

Source: ESPN.com

Sep 1 - 9:45 AM
 
He is on WW in my 10 man standard scoring league...anyone in my signature you drop to go grab him? (Blount is on WW as well and J.Bell owner wont trade him for anythingggg)

 
He has looked good this preseason. A little goofy with his huge strides, but he has a burst for a big man and packs a wallop. You can see that he's going to be viable in the NFL. If he can stay healthy, he seems like a lock to have some 1000+ yard rushing seasons. Sankey was RB1 in this draft and Williams was RB10, but based on what I've seen of them in the preseason, Williams is going to have the better career and become the more valuable FF commodity. He has been a lot more impressive and has more "wow" traits as an athlete. I don't know exactly where I'd rank him in the rookie RB class as a whole, but his arrow is pointing upward.
I wouldn't go that far. Williams is still useless in the pass game.
Whereas Sankey is useless in every facet of the game.

Williams is most valuable in deep mandatory 2 RB leagues. If you're in that type of league then you've got 24-28 RBs starting every week at a minimum. Based on what I've seen from him, I think he has a good chance to have some top 24-28 seasons. I would not chase him too hard in 1 RB leagues because he will never catch enough passes to be an elite option, but at least he looks like he belongs in the NFL as an athlete and runner.
Really...

I've bookmarked this post for later...
Can you stop this already? Seriously. You don't have to make the same comment every. single. time anyone talks negatively against Sankey in every single thread. It adds nothing. It's not necessary. Just stop.

 
What did his ADP end up as? Any new buzz on Williams as we get ready for our first Sunday of the season?
41st RB off the board in my 12 team, no-ppr, super-flex.
According to my Draft Dominator's latest update, he was RB43 with and ADP of 11.06. I took him at 11.07. I think I'll have a chance to start him eventually in our league which starts 3 RB's.

It is a shame that he apparently has no chance to develop into someone who can be thrown to, especially since I see the Giants falling behind pretty frequently. The key unknown is whether Williams can do a good job in pass pro, which would enable him to stay on the field even in passing situations despite not being a target. He would probably thrive off the draw with 5-6 in the box on D.

 
What did his ADP end up as? Any new buzz on Williams as we get ready for our first Sunday of the season?
41st RB off the board in my 12 team, no-ppr, super-flex.
According to my Draft Dominator's latest update, he was RB43 with and ADP of 11.06. I took him at 11.07. I think I'll have a chance to start him eventually in our league which starts 3 RB's.

It is a shame that he apparently has no chance to develop into someone who can be thrown to, especially since I see the Giants falling behind pretty frequently. The key unknown is whether Williams can do a good job in pass pro, which would enable him to stay on the field even in passing situations despite not being a target. He would probably thrive off the draw with 5-6 in the box on D.
He shouldn't be counted on as much more than a TD vulture this season. However I think he has a very outside shot at 10 TDs (6-7 seems more realistic).

 

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