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WR Laviska Shenault Jr. - SEA (2 Viewers)
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Footballguy
So disappointing. Some of these coaches are just not smart.
Deamon
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
I didn’t see the game, but according to the below link he played 73% of offensive snaps:Deamon said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/jaguars-vs-titans-week-5-snap-analysis
The Frankman
Footballguy
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It makes more sense when you realize that Lawrence is primarily a one read QB right now. So if the play isn’t designed for Shenault to be the first read, he has a low chance of having the ball thrown his way. And it’s pretty clear that they’re not designing plays for Shenault.
Makes sense. I mean why give the ball to a guy who can do this with it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/1447284877280354310
https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/1447284877280354310
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I might be wrong but I believe Laviska is something like 230+ lbs and it would stand to reason that if he is a slot guy or making that his spot in 3-WR sets that he might bounce off many of the folks trying to tackle him, quite frankly he should be getting 4-5 hand offs a game including end arounds, teams should be scared to death when he steps on the field not knowing what he might do next but I blame coaching 100% on why he hasn't blossomed in the box score every week, clearly he passes the eyeball test which brings me to my next point...
-Why isn't a GM trying to take advantage of the dysfunctional Jax Jags and offer them a 2022 2nd, 3rd round pick or package something and get Shenault...remember when Pittsburgh moved in and took Miami's lunch money on Minka Fitzpatrick, they knew what they were getting. How about Green Bay step out there and make Rodgers happy and get him a true gadget to work with in the offense?
Post based on the Twitter link above
-Why isn't a GM trying to take advantage of the dysfunctional Jax Jags and offer them a 2022 2nd, 3rd round pick or package something and get Shenault...remember when Pittsburgh moved in and took Miami's lunch money on Minka Fitzpatrick, they knew what they were getting. How about Green Bay step out there and make Rodgers happy and get him a true gadget to work with in the offense?
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zamboni
Footballguy
Because they can't get rid of all their weapons and expect Lawrence to grow as a QB. Next year they can try to bolster their WR group via free agency (e.g. Mike Williams, Michael Gallup) or the draft, but they can't leave the cupboard bare right now.
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
From what I saw on PFF the other day he's been better outside than in the slot.
Tau837
Footballguy
I'm not sure if you are referencing their Receiving Direction data, but that is about where he was targeted and/or his route ended on the field, inside the numbers or outside the numbers on the left or right. I don't think that correlates fully to where he lined up (slot or wide), but I'm not completely sure about that.
His PFF grades are definitely best outside right, but he only has 9 targets in that area, so the sample is small.
Interestingly, his PFF grades were weakest for outside right last season and were similarly strong for outside left and between the numbers. Maybe that shows that this data is not predictive... or more likely it reflects the fact that the offense is different under the new coaching and he has been used differently.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Was going to say the same thing. Was offered Shenault and Aiyuk for my Sutton and Agholor. May just pull the trigger as it would give me some extra depth.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I’m also looking at starting him in a 3 WR(+ flex) league. Waiver is thin otherwise and I’ve been waiting on AB and ridley for awhile now. My other option was Bourne or Agholor but might just roll the dice in Shenault.
BigJim®
Footballguy
For 2022, I know if he remains best available player round after round after round beginning in the 4th, I'm not taking the bait like I did in 2021.
joey
Footballguy
Possibly as my 4th WR at best, 5th WR more likely. I think I value a “boring” WR like C David over him. Interesting question about Gallup though…where does he land next year will have a lot to do with it (isn’t he a FA?)
BigJim®
Footballguy
Yeah, I guess Shenault sort of met my definition of a boring receiver in 2021. I'd be more likely to try to find a different "gutters and strikes" target in 2022 - which is what I assumed Shenault would be. Gallup seems like he could be a good gutters or strikes prospect, IMHO.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I guess we need to see what happens with DJ Chark. There’s a chance he may return to the team with a new contract, and Marvin Jones still has a year left.
I owned both Chark and Shenault in the same dynasty team this season and jumped at the offer of a ‘23 1st and ‘23 4th for Shenault. Not bad turnaround for a mid/late 2nd round ‘20 pick player. The other guy did it off the back of Chark injury hoping Shenault would start to see a pile of targets and it just didn’t happen. He’s the kind of player that a team like the 49ers or another well run offence would get the best out of, but it’s hard to trust the Jaguars to do so.
I owned both Chark and Shenault in the same dynasty team this season and jumped at the offer of a ‘23 1st and ‘23 4th for Shenault. Not bad turnaround for a mid/late 2nd round ‘20 pick player. The other guy did it off the back of Chark injury hoping Shenault would start to see a pile of targets and it just didn’t happen. He’s the kind of player that a team like the 49ers or another well run offence would get the best out of, but it’s hard to trust the Jaguars to do so.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Unless something drastically changes this off-season, I do not see him as draftable next year (unless your league has really deep rosters).
Jacksonville's offense just is not good enough to take a flier on a player with a questionable role like this.
Jacksonville's offense just is not good enough to take a flier on a player with a questionable role like this.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
All about Chark if he returns. Marvin can continue his typical boring but value WR role in RL and in fantasy.
Shenault to me just seems like a lost cause unless he improves and the offense improves, coaching etc.
Shenault to me just seems like a lost cause unless he improves and the offense improves, coaching etc.
He still looks the same to me.
He needed to develop his WR skills since entering the NFL and I don't really see it. He needs to do one thing very well and then the Jags can play off of that and utilize his other skills.
Are they in another rebuild with another new coach? It could just be easier to trade him than to make plays for him
He needed to develop his WR skills since entering the NFL and I don't really see it. He needs to do one thing very well and then the Jags can play off of that and utilize his other skills.
Are they in another rebuild with another new coach? It could just be easier to trade him than to make plays for him
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Young WR who was highly-regarded coming out of college, still on his rookie contract, and who was completely wasted in the football wasteland of Duvall county? Yes, I'll take that guy off your hands for a 6th rounder thank you very much.
Capella
Footballguy
I had heard rumors of them open to shopping him yesterday so I checked his social feed to see if he was venting and he was in fact just working out, at the Jags facility right around the time the Kirk deal went down. Talk about awkward.
He's going to be a bargain for some team but if he remains a Jag I'd agree he's not really draftable.
He's going to be a bargain for some team but if he remains a Jag I'd agree he's not really draftable.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That is 4 coaching staffs now that don't seem to want him. I think I pretty much have to call him a bust at this point. I put out a message a few weeks ago saying highest bidder gets him. No nibbles.
0 good coaches though.
Guy is 24 and has 121 catches to his name. I definitely wouldn't be giving up on him yet, fantasy or NFL wise.
I do wonder a little bit if he should be used a little like Cordarrelle Patterson, where he maybe should be a RB/WR He's got the size for it at 6-1 227.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He had a few moments in the 2021 preseason where I thought he might be used like Deebo. And he was targeted 10 times in the Miami game including the catch that setup the game-winning FG. He wasn't consistently utilized and only had 11 carries the entire season. A change of coaches might be the answer.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Answering my own question - patriots. If BB decides to make a package around him, he'd be lethal.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
He would also have the added benefit that he wasn't actually drafted by NE, so there's at least a CHANCE he'll work out.
Julien Edelman in 2009 was a long time ago, at least until you realize you have to go back to the 90's and Parcells to find another one that worked out for them.
Brutal.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
You are forgetting Branch...so that gets us to 2002...Mitchell was on a path to be a good one until injuries derailed him but overall, it is truly amazing how bad they have been drafting this position...Harry, Dobson, Tate, Jackson, Boyce and a bunch of other miscellaneous names did not work out...oddly enough Berrios looks like he may have been a good pick...but they cut him.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
No, I remember him.
He played 11 years and averaged 604yards/3.5td per season. That was after being drafted in the 2nd round.
I think most people would be surprised that his career max scoring TD was 6, and he only got more than 818yards once in his career and even that one year he never reached a thousand yards.
Boston
Footballguy
He was a solid WR for them in his first tour, well worth the second-round pick...Pats were more run first and the league was not pass-heavy like it is...Brady loved him and his highlight was winning a Super Bowl MVP...he was never gonna be an All Pro but if he stayed with them he would have had a real solid career...instead he left for big $, dealt with a string of injuries and never took his game to another level.
That one guy
Footballguy
Gotta quit getting my hopes up for trade news each time I see thread with updates. Maybe something special happens during NFL draft and GB pushes middling pick for him after missing out on rookies
Birdie048
Footballguy
You an me both! I just hope he doesn't end up with Eagles or Giants... I just don't see any life for WR there.
GB is a dream opportunity! But what are the realistic odds? 1 in 20?
