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WR Kenny Golladay, NYG (1 Viewer)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
He said PPG.
He finished WR9 overall in 2019, WR14 in PPG, in one of the lowest scoring WR seasons in recent memory. He had 15.5ppg that year. In 2020 Bob Woods was WR20 with 15.4ppg.
Tyler Boyd, Bob Woods, and Tyler Lockett all have a better 3-year PPG than Golladay and a better career best PPG than Golladay, are similarly aged, and have been much cheaper to acquire. Golladay has long been one of the worst values in FF.
Golladay's career best PPG is a very boring 15.5. Lockett, Woods, and Boyd have all eclipsed that number multiple times.
He's a replaceable WR2 in an era of fantasy football where replaceable WR2's have little value, that somehow up until recently was still commanding WR1 value. The easiest sell/avoid of the last 5 years imo.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Can Daniel Jones get him the ball?
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Those stats are near-meaningless without proper context.
In 2019 Golladay played 50% of his games without his starting QB. So 23% when looked at over the 2018-2020 timeframe. Five games with some guy named David Blough.
The Boyd, Woods, and Lockett 3-year PPG stats would look entirely different if they had scrubs like David Blough and Jeff Driskel throwing to them for 8 out of the last 35 games.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Tyler Boyd literally played half his games with Jeff Driskel as his QB in 2018 and averaged 15.8ppg that season, better than Golladay has ever done in his career.
Boyd has undeniably had worse QB play the last 3 years.
And 27 of 35 games with Matt Stafford as your QB is a pretty nice advantage for fantasy, if anything. Pretty much makes anyone look good. Now Woods gets Stafford and Golladay heads to an offense that barely cracked 3000 yards passing and double digit pass TDs last year.
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I wasn’t talking to him. I don’t really care what every player on my team scores from week to week, I care about how they finish at their position. He finished top 10 two years ago. I was responding to the guy who said he was a beast in TD-bonus leagues. It’s not hard to balance out your lineup with consistent guys mixed in with some boom/busters like Golladay that can win you weeks.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Golladay's FF ROI was enormous in 2018 and excellent in 2019.
In 2020, Golladay was way overvalued b/c too many people blindly extrapolated his 2019 while simultaneously over-discounting Marvin Jones' chemistry w/ Stafford. Plus not accounting for Hockenson's fulfilling his natural potential after a horrendous rookie season.
Too bad for those who couldn't see those fairly obvious factors in 2020 because they were too focused on PPG stats.
ROI is the only FF metric that matters.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Gettleman blinked.
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Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
Stone, congrats, your post contains two of the biggest sins of the Pool: insulting those who disagree with you and omitting a key factor (the key factor) in furtherance of your argument. I (we?) want to learn from your insights but you've got to watch those two things. Lecture over. Apologies.Stoneworker said:
The Frankman
Footballguy
FMIA: Free-Agency Millions Or NFL TV Billions, Patriots Owner Robert Kraft Simply Is ‘In This Business To Win’
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I was wrong about 2021 free agency when I wrote last week I thought teams wouldn’t have the same fervor out of the box. And many of the 32 teams were typically frenetic. In 2020, 30 deals of players changing teams got done on the first day of the free-agent tampering period; this year, 35 such deals got done early. Teams basically borrowed heavily against future years, and stars got paid. Trent Williams, at $23 million, matched David Bakhtiari atop the tackle market. Joe Thuney got the biggest package for a guard (five years, $80 million) in history. Kenny Golladay matched Tyreek Hill’s $18-million average. In a year when teams had a third of the cap room they had in 2020, those are monstrous commitments.
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THE NY GIANTS paid too much for Kenny Golladay; a receiver I like, but $18 million in this financial climate? For a receiver who didn’t find big money till day six of free-agency? The Giants will have three players not named Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley account for about $60 million of their 2022 cap. Not good. But a player like Golladay is borderline essential to the development of Jones, so I understand the push to get him. He’s going to have to produce very big (something like 90 catches, 1,300 yards, 10 TDs) for the deal to be worth it.
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It's interesting to see how the narrative is played now compared to 7-8 months from now. Odd that no writers were calling it an overpay; probably since the perception is that it'll be for maybe only 2021 (2022 we don't know and the two years after that the cap after that is supposed to 'explode').
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I was wrong about 2021 free agency when I wrote last week I thought teams wouldn’t have the same fervor out of the box. And many of the 32 teams were typically frenetic. In 2020, 30 deals of players changing teams got done on the first day of the free-agent tampering period; this year, 35 such deals got done early. Teams basically borrowed heavily against future years, and stars got paid. Trent Williams, at $23 million, matched David Bakhtiari atop the tackle market. Joe Thuney got the biggest package for a guard (five years, $80 million) in history. Kenny Golladay matched Tyreek Hill’s $18-million average. In a year when teams had a third of the cap room they had in 2020, those are monstrous commitments.
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THE NY GIANTS paid too much for Kenny Golladay; a receiver I like, but $18 million in this financial climate? For a receiver who didn’t find big money till day six of free-agency? The Giants will have three players not named Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley account for about $60 million of their 2022 cap. Not good. But a player like Golladay is borderline essential to the development of Jones, so I understand the push to get him. He’s going to have to produce very big (something like 90 catches, 1,300 yards, 10 TDs) for the deal to be worth it.
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It's interesting to see how the narrative is played now compared to 7-8 months from now. Odd that no writers were calling it an overpay; probably since the perception is that it'll be for maybe only 2021 (2022 we don't know and the two years after that the cap after that is supposed to 'explode').
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Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I thought this was a pretty good landing spot until I looked into Daniel Jones stats from last year. People didn't want him to go to Baltimore because of their low passing volume but Lamar had over twice as many passing TDs (26 vs 11) and only 200 less yards.
Anyone buying in dynasty?
Anyone buying in dynasty?
I think the hope is that the Giants will be much more willing to replace Jones in the near future as opposed to Lamar who is likely to sign a massive extension soon.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
How near? Golladay only signed a 2 year deal so the near future could still be after his contract is up, could they trade for another QB before this next season starts?Buckna said:
I have pretty low expectations for him in NY but maybe they can force him the ball enough to be a serviceable WR2 if he can actually get and stay healthy.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Daniel Jones is a bad QB, but he has a fantasy friendly skill set when he's on the move. The problem in 20 was he was playing on a bad wheel, so instead of being a turnover prone big play bad qb he was...well, just awful.
if you believed kenny G talent wise- is a fantasy wr1, you should have no worries about him being able to put up at a minimum wr2 production. his health is what i am more concerned about.
RC94
Footballguy
I'm not as concerned about Golladay's health or Jones' ability as I am about the playcalling. I think Jones and Golladay will be good as long as they aren't held back by Garrett, who was a disaster last year. The Giants didn't do well at defense at all under Shurmer, which is one of the main reasons he was fired, but the offense was much better in 2019 than last year. It wasn't because of Barkley's injury either because they rushed the ball better last year than they did in 2019 when Barkley was healthy. Garrett is one of the worst OCs in the NFL.
Golladay is currently going at the end 5/6 turn in redrafts, and I think that is a pretty fair spot for him, I do think he's more likely to be a steal than a reach at that spot. He's on the WR2 borderline in my opinion, likely coming down to scoring system. Solid WR2 in standard, more of a WR3 in PPR.
I do think Daniel Jones will look a lot better with a true #1 WR. Not many non-elite QBs would do much with Slayton and an often banged up Engram/Shepard to work with. If they can actually get Barkley, Golladay, Shepard, Toney, and Engram on the field together, this might be an underrated offense in general.
I do think Daniel Jones will look a lot better with a true #1 WR. Not many non-elite QBs would do much with Slayton and an often banged up Engram/Shepard to work with. If they can actually get Barkley, Golladay, Shepard, Toney, and Engram on the field together, this might be an underrated offense in general.
I’m smashing the button every time there on KG. In fact, I think he’s in for a pretty decent rebound season, and I’d be willing to take him in the 4th if I needed a receiver and depending on the other options available.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lot of good points in that article. And I'm not sure if Daniel Jones will ever be able to get him the ball as effectively as Matthew Stafford did.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
^^ hasn't stood out?!?! when the heck has Kenny G ever stood out?! please go look up his catch rate, he was one of the worst in the NFL.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/receiving-catch-rate
he's not even in the top 100. he needed 119 targets to catch just 70 balls in 2018. in 2019, that number was 116 targets to catch just 65 balls. 58.1 lifetime catch rate %. I can hear Mick yelling at KG..'you BUM!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCgp6JW8Ug
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/receiving-catch-rate
he's not even in the top 100. he needed 119 targets to catch just 70 balls in 2018. in 2019, that number was 116 targets to catch just 65 balls. 58.1 lifetime catch rate %. I can hear Mick yelling at KG..'you BUM!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCgp6JW8Ug
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woodstock
Footballguy
Golladay left practice grabbing his hammy, per reports. No idea about the severity of it.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2021/8/3/22607630/2021-ny-giants-training-camp-wr-kenny-golladay-injury-wr-leaves-practice-news
https://www.bigblueview.com/2021/8/3/22607630/2021-ny-giants-training-camp-wr-kenny-golladay-injury-wr-leaves-practice-news
Golladay is a jump ball WR that wins at the high point on very low percentage plays. I wouldn't expect him to have a high completion percentage based on the way he was used. He doesn't have to be a high volume guy to be effective with his strengths in the game.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He was a great fit with Stafford who is totally willing and able to throw the ball into tight windows or throw jump balls. Every catch Golladay made was really difficult. He’s like a better version of Mike Williams.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Who’s having a better summer? Kadarius Toney, Kenny Golladay, or Andrew Cuomo?
