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Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor (2 Viewers)
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DropKick
Footballguy
Says the guy who spent 40% of his blind bid money on him. 40%.... is about %39 too high.loose circuits said:
You don't understand why getting cut by three teams doesn't bode well? It's not IMPOSSIBLE for him to succeed, but it isn't likely either. That's why people call him a lottery ticket. He's cheap but there is a small chance he might pay off. You acquire him for next to nothing from the waiver - not blow almost half your budget on him.
Other concerns about Lache? Very limited experience in the passing game; questions as a receiver and pass blocker. College production inflated by big running lanes. Also featured fly sweeps and lateral runs that have not translated to NFL game. Character issues. Advisor accepted payments which caused (Oregon NCAA probation) him to transfer and loss year of eligibility; "Beats to the beat of his own drum"; Seen as a complementary back (size/durability).
It's not all bad... As a pure runner he gets good reviews. Is he the type of guy who can improve? I have my doubts. Generally, I like a humble, blue collar attitude. Calling yourself the best college back in the country and predicting you'll win the Heisman tells me he is full of himself.
The best thing you can say for him is he is on the right team. There are backs ahead of him and Dallas could bring someone in at any time. The Cowboys have SB aspirations - it's a real long shot they would put their trust in an unproven RB, especially in pass protection.
So factor in everything and he is a long shot worth a minor investment.
loose circuits
Footballguy
you make some good points, but my point is the fact that he was cut 3x does not mean he cannot do it because plenty of guys have bucked that trend and each guy is different so that is not a reason to completely write him off. Was 40% blind bid cash too much? Probably, but there isn't a guarantee it would amount to anything if i kept it in a 12x30'non-Idp league. If he sticks it will only be a matter of time before he gets a chance and While he may have benefited from the system at Baylor, he showed good vision to me in the open field which allowed him to flourish. Could be a similar opportunity in Dallas I would hope that being cut 3x would humble the man and agree he needs to grind to make it. You agree that he has the physical tools to make it work. He has to earn that opportunity and he can do it if his mind is in the right place
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't know that plenty of guys have bucked this trend. The list of guys who take the path Seastrunk is taking and actually pay off is remarkably small. The fact of the matter is guys who get cut by 3 teams in such a short amount and with so little to show for their time on those teams usually just aren't very good. We can talk about him being weird, strange or whatever from a personality standpoint. Teams are often willing to put up with weird and odd personalities if the talent is there.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
He does what Dunbar does but Dunbar has been in the system for 3 years.
He's a practice squad guy at best this season.
He's a practice squad guy at best this season.
DropKick
Footballguy
Let's hope he can show enough to make himself some money and have a career he can be proud of... You don't have to be a fantasy stud to be a good football player.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
No, nothing like Dunbar. Dunbar's strength is receiving and that's how he'll earn his paycheck. Receiving is one of Seastrunk's big weaknesses. Not sure how you came up with that comparison.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You're absolutely right. I was posting that in a hurry and should have said they're similar physically in stature but (Seastrunk) doesn't have the receiving skills of Dunbar.
DropKick
Footballguy
Ironically, the Redskins drafted him specifically to be a receiving back
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/7669/redskins-scouting-report-lache-seastrunk
plastik
Footballguy
Seastrunk's lack of receiving skills is more of a media meme, as it's really just an unknown. The lead back at Baylor just doesn't have many receiving opportunities... Of the last three lead backs (Glasco Martin, Seastrunk and Linwood) none have caught more than 9 passes in a season (and that 9 was Seastrunk in 2012). He caught two passes last year in the Redskins fourth preseason game and looked just fine doing it, catching the ball with his hands... took one for an 80 yard TD.
He's a long shot to do anything, certainly, but I'll look forward to seeing him this preseason. He looked great as a runner in the Redskins preseason last year, regularly picking up chunk yardage in the preseason. With McFadden injured and recent chatter of him having an outside chance at not making the roster, Lache is the perfect lotto ticket--was free to add from the WW and no sweat sending him back there if nothing pans out.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Coaches have stopped practice numerous times to instruct him how to carry the ball, block and blitz pickup.
Coaches said he has "the want to" which is good.
Did well as a receiver.
Imo, practice squad would be best case senario.
Coaches said he has "the want to" which is good.
Did well as a receiver.
Imo, practice squad would be best case senario.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
He's got 3 different teams that don't even consider this guy rosterable. Not that he just isn't spot starting or RBBC material, but that there isn't even a spot on the bench as a 4th or 5th RB. Now in DAL he's being spoken of as possibly being PS material. NFL coaches don't keep there jobs by cutting studs. If one team does, they may be wrong. But multiple teams? They clearly are not seeing anything worth spending a roster spot on
I'd guess the FFers have a much greater chance of being way off base more so than a few NFL coaching staffs. That's happened before too.
Oh - and ETA, that's not "hating" on him.
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As noted James Harrison was cut multiple times, Kurt Warner was undrafted & cut by the Packers, Justin Forsett was cut 3 times. NFL coaches may be right most of the time, but not always.NFL coaches don't keep there jobs by cutting studs. If one team does, they may be wrong. But multiple teams? They clearly are not seeing anything worth spending a roster spot on
I'd guess the FFers have a much greater chance of being way off base more so than a few NFL coaching staffs. That's happened before too.
Oh - and ETA, that's not "hating" on him.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Good. Now list all the players that FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors.As noted James Harrison was cut multiple times, Kurt Warner was undrafted & cut by the Packers, Justin Forsett was cut 3 times. NFL coaches may be right most of the time, but not always.NFL coaches don't keep there jobs by cutting studs. If one team does, they may be wrong. But multiple teams? They clearly are not seeing anything worth spending a roster spot on
I'd guess the FFers have a much greater chance of being way off base more so than a few NFL coaching staffs. That's happened before too.
Oh - and ETA, that's not "hating" on him.
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That's your little personal obsession. You list all the players FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors. My point was to refute your idea that multiple teams don't cut players that put up studly numbers. It has happened, and I'm sure it will happen again. Will it be Seastrunk? I don't know, but to say it can't happen because multiple teams have cut him is just incorrect.Good. Now list all the players that FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors.As noted James Harrison was cut multiple times, Kurt Warner was undrafted & cut by the Packers, Justin Forsett was cut 3 times. NFL coaches may be right most of the time, but not always.NFL coaches don't keep there jobs by cutting studs. If one team does, they may be wrong. But multiple teams? They clearly are not seeing anything worth spending a roster spot on
I'd guess the FFers have a much greater chance of being way off base more so than a few NFL coaching staffs. That's happened before too.
Oh - and ETA, that's not "hating" on him.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
If my 10 year old daughter took the amount of roids and HGH that James Jarrison has taken she could make a NFL roster.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think it's safe to say that being cut by three different teams (two of which had very little at RB) in one season raises some red flags. That isn't to say that Seastrunk has no chance (I have him on two rosters so would love for him to break out), but the odds are certainly stacked against him right now.That's your little personal obsession. You list all the players FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors. My point was to refute your idea that multiple teams don't cut players that put up studly numbers. It has happened, and I'm sure it will happen again. Will it be Seastrunk? I don't know, but to say it can't happen because multiple teams have cut him is just incorrect.Good. Now list all the players that FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors.As noted James Harrison was cut multiple times, Kurt Warner was undrafted & cut by the Packers, Justin Forsett was cut 3 times. NFL coaches may be right most of the time, but not always.NFL coaches don't keep there jobs by cutting studs. If one team does, they may be wrong. But multiple teams? They clearly are not seeing anything worth spending a roster spot on
I'd guess the FFers have a much greater chance of being way off base more so than a few NFL coaching staffs. That's happened before too.
Oh - and ETA, that's not "hating" on him.
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Shutout
Footballguy
I'm torn on this guy. It is pretty damning that he has been cut multiple times and the negative reports that seem to come with him.
With that being said, however, he was cut by two teams in Washington and Tennessee that have been about as poor as it comes in assessing talent in recent years and the Panthers who seemingly ALWAYS misuse their RB talent. So, if nothing else, its not like this was The Seahawks or Broncos or Steelers or somebody cutting him.
He also has very little talent standing in his way and one of the guys "standing" in his way can never seem to stay on a field for a month at a time, anyway.
Over the years I can remember guys that looked the part but had knocks on them that seemed to get labeled as this or that early and got bounced around until they found the right fit (or got picked up by a team at all) so I guess I can think of worse flyers to take.
With that being said, however, he was cut by two teams in Washington and Tennessee that have been about as poor as it comes in assessing talent in recent years and the Panthers who seemingly ALWAYS misuse their RB talent. So, if nothing else, its not like this was The Seahawks or Broncos or Steelers or somebody cutting him.
He also has very little talent standing in his way and one of the guys "standing" in his way can never seem to stay on a field for a month at a time, anyway.
Over the years I can remember guys that looked the part but had knocks on them that seemed to get labeled as this or that early and got bounced around until they found the right fit (or got picked up by a team at all) so I guess I can think of worse flyers to take.
3C's
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
You should probably do a little reading before making a comment like that. He became draft eligible in 2002, went undrafted, signed by the Steelers, on and off the practice squad (as many undrafted players tend to do), signed by the Ravens and back to the Steelers full time by 2004. Had some starts in 2005 and was an All-Pro in 2007. So no, not YEARS. At the "old" age of 36 he still played well last year. So, a decade after making his first career start he's still playing at a high enough level to make the team and be an integral part of their defense.
loose circuits
Footballguy
I think people don't really understand the level of the typical NFL player. Only 3% of all HS athletes play a sport in college. To make it to the NFL these guys are in a small fraction of the top percentile. There are some players with the physical ability to make it into the top 1%, but they just don't have the mental capacity or they have significant gaps in the technique at whatever point in time. Figuring out the fine points of the game can vault them from the top 1 percent to that fraction of people that are successful, but they also need an opportunity. James Harrison was that type of player. He was somewhat of a physical freak that wasn't ready for the responsibilities of OLB coming into the league and needed to learn, so it took him a while before the mental things slowed down enough for him to process what was going on. Roids or HGH did not help him get the mental part down. Everyone learns at a different pace. For Harrison, the mental part came together with the right opportunity and he was able to flourish. I think Seastrunk is capable of the same type of thing. Like I said before, I would imagine that being released was a humbling experience so it just depends if he is willing to use that in a positive way to motivate himself to identify the weaknesses in his game, ask the right questions, and make the proper adjustments. It's really up to Lache and that's why I am going to own him in as many leagues as possible and will hold in a few even if he's just on the practice squad although with McFadden's Miles Austin type hammy that opportunity could present itself sooner than later.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I guess I hit a nerve.That's your little personal obsession. You list all the players FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors. My point was to refute your idea that multiple teams don't cut players that put up studly numbers. It has happened, and I'm sure it will happen again. Will it be Seastrunk? I don't know, but to say it can't happen because multiple teams have cut him is just incorrect.Good. Now list all the players that FFers thought were future studs based upon their college tapes and then turned into nonfactors.As noted James Harrison was cut multiple times, Kurt Warner was undrafted & cut by the Packers, Justin Forsett was cut 3 times. NFL coaches may be right most of the time, but not always.NFL coaches don't keep there jobs by cutting studs. If one team does, they may be wrong. But multiple teams? They clearly are not seeing anything worth spending a roster spot on
I'd guess the FFers have a much greater chance of being way off base more so than a few NFL coaching staffs. That's happened before too.
Oh - and ETA, that's not "hating" on him.
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We all take flyers on guys late hoping they'll beat long odds and latch onto a startable player. I get that this is a guy you hope will beat the very very long odds.
But acting as though you have some special insight that apparently many men who do this for a living at the highest level (and don't forget that every team in the league could have taken a flyer of their own on him for very little investment and the vast majority opted that he wasn't worth it) seems odd. I guess maybe that's why you are so defensive.
I hope it works out - everyone loves stories of the guys who beat such long odds. But there's no getting around how long those odds are, no matter how much bluster you surround it with.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
So exactly like I stated. 5 years = YEARS.
5 years he was a bum, then he became one of the nastiest, meanest, baddest men on the planet. If it walks like a duck.... And all that is before you even delve into connecting the dots to the former team doctor who was indicted on 185 counts of fraud.
I'm sorry you took it personal. I'm of the opinion most players in the NFL are on PEDs so it's not like he's alone, but if you think he's clean (or that most players aren't on something), I'm afraid you're naive.
3C's
Footballguy
Reread the highlighted text. Can't MAKE a team for years. He went from undrafted rookie to pro bowl in 5 years. He even played some in his first year. "bums" don't make an NFL team, much less play. He was playing well enough to get a roster spot on a team that was loaded with linebackers. Sitting behind Joey Porter led to lack of playing time and once Joey was released James got his shot and excelled. If you think he's on PEDs that's fine. If you think that's the reason he's an NFL player, you're the one who is naive. He's on an NFL team because he put the work in required to be an NFL player, both in the weight room and the classroom. As loose circuits pointed out above, he was lost in his first year. He didn't know the playbook and was often frustrated. I think it was Farrior who called him a "knucklehead" because he had no idea what to do. He put the work in.So exactly like I stated. 5 years = YEARS.
5 years he was a bum, then he became one of the nastiest, meanest, baddest men on the planet. If it walks like a duck.... And all that is before you even delve into connecting the dots to the former team doctor who was indicted on 185 counts of fraud.
I'm sorry you took it personal. I'm of the opinion most players in the NFL are on PEDs so it's not like he's alone, but if you think he's clean (or that most players aren't on something), I'm afraid you're naive.
3C's
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Well true, you got me there.You gotta admit this is more interesting than talking about Lache.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Well true, you got me there.You gotta admit this is more interesting than talking about Lache.
I think we've both stated our cases. We can all talk about lache and the practice squad again.
Last thing about Harrison.... I wish he was on my team. (A few years ago).
loose circuits
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
We should get a good look this Thursday. McFadden, Dunbar, and Randle are banged up, leaving Pat what's his face and Lache as the only healthy backs.
identikit
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This will be a great opportunity for Lache to show his stuff if he gets to run with the ones this Thursday. Some reports say Gus Johnson has passed him, but the report Rotoworld was basing that on didn't quite say that.
jtd13
Footballguy
Cowboys beat writer says Gus is expected to start the preseason game with Randle out.http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/rookie-running-back-gus-johnson-expected-to-start-cowboys-preseason-opener-against-chargers.html/
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Interesting. He should still get plenty of run, but that news is disappointing for his prospects.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Some guys just don't get it for all their athleticism. Right now he's the only back healthy which is why he is still on the team and why he'll probably get some work. While there is strong doubt the light goes on sometimes opportunity does wonders.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Setting the over-under at 1.5 on number of teams (after Dallas) who will cut Seastrunk before he's out of tries.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I concede he's a dope and blown his opportunity, good thing all the blind bid cash I blew on him won't break my team
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Oof. Guy can only do one thing (Run....kinda) I guess. Better find a semi-pro league somewhere buddy.
Faust
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
Talent can only get you so far... 
