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I get that angle but also in this imaginary scenario, by doing what’s in his best interest he is supporting the machine that is robbing him of his freedom. Like a woman at work who participates in the culture of misogyny and abuse knowing it will get her in good with the old boys club yet also knowing it’s reinforcing the very system that will prevent her from ever being taken seriously at work. Tragic and complex figure.
To be fair, the military is protecting multi-national corporations as they gut the natural resources in the states we occupy.
Whoa - I feel like I am in bizzaro world - I pop into a FFA thread about a political topic and agree with cowboysfan about something.
Must be a full moonWhoa - I feel like I am in bizzaro world - I pop into a FFA thread about a political topic and agree with cowboysfan about something.
As you served then you are intimately aware freedom in America doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want. I’m quite sure you did things while serving you didn’t want to do. There are rules and laws. Private businesses have the right to set rules for their business as long as they follow the law. You as the customer have the freedom not to patronize said business, just like you chose not to do with The Dead.
That’s a great article, which nicely summarizes why the medical/public health community and aerosol scientists didn’t (and still don’t) see eye-to-eye. It’s a nice reminder how even “experts” can be way off-base, despite good intentions and understanding of the “science”. Even though support for aerosol transmission and masking may have been evident early in the pandemic, reliance on imperfect dogma buried in the medical literature jaundiced the initial infection control policy. Also of note, the screw ups don’t appear political in nature, at least above the level of public health bureaucracy.culdeus said:
It was political in the sense that the US would ultimately side with whomever would allow the most people to spend the most time indoors. The who solution provided this along with all the safety theater of wipedowns.
I’m not sure I agree with your first sentence, but the WHO, CDC, et al. are clearly influenced by factors other than science. Still, I hope the politics of government bureaucracies can be separated from the standard tribal fare - maybe that isn’t a realistic expectation.
Yup. Pretty much. There's no requisite in this country to be in the military or no immunity for being in the military.
This and the terrible initial guidance of "masks don't help" (which seems to be related to this article as well as PPE shortages) really set us up for failure.culdeus said:
Thanks for the link. @parasaurolophus and others who have been banging the ventilation drum would probably particularly enjoy this quote:culdeus said:
If you ask me, the masks don't (no do) help came about when it became clear that even without lockdowns there was a hesitancy to spend money. Having masks up for places like Target gave a semblance of safety and brought people out of hiding to spend $$$. Over time we will look back and say masks made nearly no impact except for some really funky corner cases where there was nearly no ventilation (i.e restaurants and to some extent schools)
Curiously...
I joined the military when I was 18 years old. I'm now 47. Do you have the same understanding of the world now as you did when you were 18? Your post lacks deep thought and understanding of maturity and mental growth.
Jokes are supposed to be funny. This thread is not a funny thread. I don't think you were joking. I think you were being a smart butt and got called out and now you have nothing to say. Just say sorry. It's ok to be wrong.
The whole thread is a joke. I think you are the one who isn’t getting it. You came out guns blazing rude and confrontational. Then people mostly began mocking you for it.
People mocking... what else is new. Sorry for being passionate. I'm not a politician or public speaker, I speak my own truth with passion and conviction. Sorry I don't have a team of writers and a teleprompter so I can talk like a robot. People need to wake up. Do you really not see the insanity surrounding COVID? Apparently you don't but keep on mocking people who CARE and are trying to change the world for the better. You're picking on the wrong person but I'm not surprised. Indoctrination is real. You probably think that's a conspiracy theory too.
Was some of it over the top? Yes it’s silly to wear masks when walking into a restaurant but not when seated or the performative disinfecting of surfaces constantly. But no I don’t think this was some massive conspiracy to take our rights. I feel like my life is basically the same now as it was and I was fine with making some sacrifices the last year to save lives and try to stop the spread of a virus. There’s far far far far better places to focus your energy to make the world a better place.
Authoritarian what? My life is literally the same as before except occasionally now I have to put a mask on for a few a little bit.
I agree with the approach that has been taken. I do, in fact, comply for the sake of my children and grandchildren. There's absolutely no shame involved. And if I were to speak out, it would much more likely be about people like you that allow this thing to continue to spread, allow new variants to develop, etc. rather than people like infectious disease experts that actually do know what they are talking about. That's not a knock against you personally. I just think you are way off in your beliefs and viewpoints.
This thread, which I completely missed, really shows the affect on people's mental health over the past 15 months and I'm in your corner. Stuff like this really makes me worried about getting back to normal and letting the inmates loose again. Sure seems like a lot of pent up anger that turns into the next movie theater, post office or school shooting. I'm not off base thinking someone like this guy (don't want to accuse him personally) will see someone wearing a mask and "take action."
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for this thread. 
You've known what you're talking about from the jump, so I'll ask you, if I might: What are the chances the booster shots cover these variants in the fall?
The current variants are covered by the current vaccines (in the U.S., anyway) very well. Now the same may not be said for new variants that could (and likely will) crop up due to the large number of unvaccinated vectors.
What he said.
This is a good question.
While it’s impossible to predict when mutations of functional significance will arise, it took the U.K. (alpha) variant roughly 6-7 months to evolve after the pandemic took hold. But as cases spiked in late fall/winter, the Indian (delta) variant was described only 3 months later. Fortunately, we’re on a downslope of new cases, approximating what we saw in the summer, and vaccinations in the developing world should be gaining steam, so hopefully we’ll go another half year before another significant mutant rears it ugly head.
So starting vaccinations during a pandemic didn't lead to the variants? Wow, ok.
I'm not sure what your point is there, GB? Are you implying the vaccines CAUSED the variants? If so, I'd object to that. Viruses mutate all the time. Usually to the virus' detriment. But every once in a while nature "gets it right" and a bigger/badder variant takes hold. (this is a good link someone posted in the COVID thread... there's a graphic towards the end of it that shows a mapping off all the variants...tl;dr: there are a BUNCH). And to that point...
Pretty sure I'm right here. Just the downside of vaccinations during a pandemic. Pretty sure if the vax was locked and loaded before it was wide spread the mutations would not be there. But you got to do what you got to do.
Pretty sure you're right based on...what? If you have some evidence for this, would like to read it
GB your messages aren't very clear.
Not sure what you’re getting at.
Understand your points and they may both be true. Maybe there is no impact of vaxing during a pandemic but it seems highly unlikely.
