UNOFFICIAL COVID-19: NOT the mainstream Narrative (2 Viewers)

[IC FBGCav]

you think that the covid vaccine sterilizes people?     

A sterilizing vaccine stops people from shedding the virus.  

 

[IC FBGCav]

Yes, it's better. I personally know a dozen or more people just in this little neck of the woods who've already had Covid TWICE. Meaning the first infection either didn't generate enough or ANY antibodies to defend against the same infection the second time. Already knowing that Delta is more infectious than the first brand we had, if it's something you want to gamble on, then that's your prerogative. If it were me, I'd surely at least get my antibodies checked and find out what numbers put you at a good level of protection against Delta.  

As for flu shot, best I can understand they have to PREDICT what strain is going to prevalent each year and try to defend against it. Which is why sometimes the flu shot just "doesn't work." It's working it's just not looking for the right strain.  I know that my own son has had 2 strains of flu at once before (which shocked me but I'm sure is probably common lol). The COVID shot (at least   to date) is effective against all strains, and overwhelming majority of the time does it's job very well. Which leads me to...

Final point, it's not just about fighting off infection. It never has been. It's about fighting off SEVERE infection and death. 

Predict.  Shots given were for original and not as effective against delta.  Very similar imo.

 

[IC FBGCav]

It's not. The flu shot is a vaccine though. And I would liken them the same. If you get the flu you don't get the flu shot that season but you would get it the next flu season. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem covid has a season. So if you get covid you don't need the covid shot right away but at some point you will need it. We just don't know when. Maybe 8 months. Maybe a year. Unfortunately, the CDC doesn't seem to know either so they just say "take the covid shot ".

Flu shot still can help against strains it wasn't designed for.

 

[the rover]

bump for crosseyed 

 

[CrossEyed2]

bump for crosseyed 

This is part of the problem today. Nobody wants to consider ideas counter to their own. Shove everybody into their own sub-groups. Out of sight, out of mind, and I can just not have to do the hard work of considering all possibilities and make up my own mind.

 

[Zegras11]

This is part of the problem today. Nobody wants to consider ideas counter to their own. Shove everybody into their own sub-groups. Out of sight, out of mind, and I can just not have to do the hard work of considering all possibilities and make up my own mind.

Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean everything else is out of sight , out of mind.  Quite the contrary as you've seen with the repetitive posts from many that rejected what you posted after investigating. One poster said that they even covered this awhile back. 

 

[CrossEyed2]

Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean everything else is out of sight , out of mind.  Quite the contrary as you've seen with the repetitive posts from many that rejected what you posted after investigating. One poster said that they even covered this awhile back. 

Fair enough.

Although I still think that most people simply won’t consider ideas that are counter to what they currently believe. And most people see the world through the lens of their beliefs instead of believing things based on the things that they see and evaluate. How many people ever change or even challenge their own paradigms?  

 

[Ilov80s]

Fair enough.

Although I still think that most people simply won’t consider ideas that are counter to what they currently believe. And most people see the world through the lens of their beliefs instead of believing things based on the things that they see and evaluate. How many people ever change or even challenge their own paradigms?  

Some people are just suckers for BS and it's really difficult for them to find their way out of it. 

 

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To the Ivermectin fans who think it's a miracle cure being suppressed by The Man:

When did you STOP thinking Hydroxychloroquine was the miracle cure, moving on to Ivermectin, and why? 

 

[lod001]

To the Ivermectin fans who think it's a miracle cure being suppressed by The Man:

When did you STOP thinking Hydroxychloroquine was the miracle cure, moving on to Ivermectin, and why? 

Both work and a doctor nearby has a cocktail via IV with both along with other meds. I really DGAF if you believe that or not.

Which works better? I don't know. As far as IVM, it's up to 12 now where the court has ordered the hospital to give the patient IVM. Looks like its soon to be 12 for 12. Of course you will say its all just a coincidence.

https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1434603159301804037

These are people on ventilators that culdeus says will die. He was wrong.

It's really amazing that all of you only think these 'vaxxes' are the answer when it's proven they are absolutely NOT the answer. Did you get jab # 4 yet? Israel is lining them up for it and ITS NOT HELPING. 

 

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Both work and a doctor nearby has a cocktail via IV with both along with other meds. I really DGAF if you believe that or not.

Which works better? I don't know. As far as IVM, it's up to 12 now where the court has ordered the hospital to give the patient IVM. Looks like its soon to be 12 for 12. Of course you will say its all just a coincidence.

https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1434603159301804037

These are people on ventilators that culdeus says will die. He was wrong.

It's really amazing that all of you only think these 'vaxxes' are the answer when it's proven they are absolutely NOT the answer. Did you get jab # 4 yet? Israel is lining them up for it and ITS NOT HELPING. 

Ooops... Homeboy's cases getting reversed  

Here's a bale of Hay, Ed. 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

“However, based upon the evidence, it has not been shown to be effective at this juncture. The studies that tend to give support to ivermectin have had inconsistent results, limitations to the studies, were open label studies, were of low quality or low certainty, included small sample sizes, various dosing regiments, or have been so riddled with issues that the study was withdrawn.”

We've discussed this several times in all the different Covid threads and the now-closed ivermectin thread. This is what we here have said over and over.  The above quote is from a judge (from icon's link), who I'm sure was presented with the same information we've posted in our threads. The bottom line is, no matter how badly we'd like it to work (because really, why wouldn't we want a treatment to be effective? that would be awesome!), it just, ummm, doesn't.   I don't fault anyone who's infected for trying it IN THE HUMAN FORM and AT THE CORRECT HUMAN DOSAGES as given by a knowledgeable physician. It's safe for that. I just don't think it's effective. Because if it was, we'd already have an overwhelming large body of evidence that it is. I guess I'd say the remaining glimmer of hope might lie in the ongoing ivermectin studies that haven't yet been shut down. 

 

[Zegras11]

Ooops... Homeboy's cases getting reversed  

Here's a bale of Hay, Ed. 

Julie Smith testified that neither she nor her husband were vaccinated against COVID-19. She said it was “experimental,” so she didn’t trust it.

“We didn’t feel confident it had been out long enough,” she said during a hearing Thursday.

She later connected with Dr. Fred Wagshul, a founding physician of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, a nonprofit that touts ivermectin as a wonder drug. Wagshul is a licensed physician but is not board certified within any specialty and hasn’t worked in a hospital for 10 years, according to his testimony.

He prescribed Jeffrey Smith 21 days’ worth of ivermectin without reviewing Jeffrey Smith’s clinical information or talking to any of his treating physicians.

 

This just blows me away.  "It hasn't been out long enough,"   so we will trust someone that isn't board certified that specializes in nothing.

 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

This just blows me away.  "It hasn't been out long enough,"   so we will trust someone that isn't board certified that specializes in nothing.

I've had people I know IRL ask me if I was familiar with America's Front Line doctors. I said no (I wasn't at the time) but I'd look into them, as long as there was information other than memes and YouTube links about them. 

Narrator: But there was not. 

 

There's what a dozen of them in that Front Line group? How the hell are people believing these quacks over the literally THOUSANDS of ID specialists, epidemiologists, virologists, etc. etc.?  (Yes, I know the answer to that.)

 

[Zegras11]

I've had people I know IRL ask me if I was familiar with America's Front Line doctors. I said no (I wasn't at the time) but I'd look into them, as long as there was information other than memes and YouTube links about them. 

Narrator: But there was not. 

 

There's what a dozen of them in that Front Line group? How the hell are people believing these quacks over the literally THOUSANDS of ID specialists, epidemiologists, virologists, etc. etc.?  (Yes, I know the answer to that.)

“We didn’t feel confident it had been out long enough"

So let's take something that hasn't been tested for Covid or gone through a trial at all!!!!

And these idiots haven't done one search on the vax trials and how they were very close when 19 came out and have been working on it for decades.  

 

[Frostillicus]

It's really amazing that all of you only think these 'vaxxes' are the answer when it's proven they are absolutely NOT the answer. 

Well this is wrong. 

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Hydroxychloroquine works so well, why didn't its head cheerleader take it when he had covid?

 

[fatness]

Talk to your doctor today if you think Ivermectin is right for you.

 

[fatness]

Ivermectin poison control calls triple in Washington, despite multiple warnings against use for COVID treatment

 

[jobarules]

Ivermectin poison control calls triple in Washington, despite multiple warnings against use for COVID treatment

Most calls were from people asking about ivermectin safety,

 

[fatness]

Ivermectin poison control calls triple in Washington, despite multiple warnings against use for COVID treatment

Most calls were from people asking about ivermectin safety,

Since last year, the Washington Poison Center has received a threefold increase in calls regarding ivermectin, said Dr. Scott Phillips, the medical director for the center. He attributed the rise in calls to misinformation.

Most calls were from people asking about ivermectin safety, though some calls were made from people who were recently hospitalized or were experiencing mild to moderate symptoms of poisoning, he said.

No severe cases resulting in death have been reported. However, it is unclear how many hospitalizations or deaths have occurred across the state in relation to ivermectin use because the Department of Health does not track that data, and local hospitals are not required to report those cases,

 

[fatness]

Wisconsin’s Poison Control said there have been 17 cases of Ivermectin poisoning this year in Wisconsin. Nationwide, the CDC said ‘poison control centers have seen a three-fold increase in the number of calls for human exposures to Ivermectin. In July 2021, ivermectin calls have continued to sharply increase, to a five-fold increase from baseline. These reports are also associated with increased frequency of adverse effects and emergency department/hospital visits.”

https://www.weau.com/2021/09/07/doctors-warn-against-use-horse-dewormer-treat-covid-19

People are making themselves sick taking unapproved medication (Ivermectin) in order to avoid taking medication (vaccines) which will help prevent them and others from getting sick.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The hell is wrong with this place?

We're in the busiest time of our year for trying to run our business. I normally see about .0001% of the posts. In August and September, I see about 00000001% of the non Shark Pool posts. 

If there is something over the line, please report the specific post and the moderators will try to look. Thank you. 

The other (probably better) idea is just shut everything but the NFL talk down for September. 

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

We're in the busiest time of our year for trying to run our business. I normally see about .0001% of the posts. In August and September, I see about 00000001% of the non Shark Pool posts. 

If there is something over the line, please report the specific post and the moderators will try to look. Thank you. 

The other (probably better) idea is just shut everything but the NFL talk down for September. 

Good to know. Don't have to worry about me mucking up the place for the paying customers.

 

[fatness]

“Additional cars drove by screaming obscenities at vaccine staff and throwing garbage at them,” Comstock said. “I will not put the hard-working public health staff in harm’s way.”

Comstock said that a driver ran over and destroyed signs put up around the vaccine clinic’s tent. In a separate incident that day, someone threw an unidentified liquid at a nurse working a different mobile clinic in front of a restaurant.

3 mobile COVID clinics taken off the street in Colorado.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

I met a former marine with MS, and he blames it on a double dose vax for Japanese ensephalitis they were required to take.  

 

[IC FBGCav]

Talk to your doctor today if you think Ivermectin is right for you.

It works but the dosage needed is much higher and hasn't been studied in humans.  The crap that Trump pimped worked in Kidney cells where there was only one way for the virus to escape.  But lung cells have 2 escape points and it is not effective there.  It was a bad study where it succeeded.

 

[stbugs]

I met a former marine with MS, and he blames it on a double dose vax for Japanese ensephalitis they were required to take.  

One of my neighbors and my parent’s best friend had MS. It happens.

Why so much desire to make sure people don’t take a vaccine?

 

[stbugs]

3 mobile COVID clinics taken off the street in Colorado.

So sad. What ever happened to freedom in this country? Don’t take a vaccine, fine. If you die, you die, no one will miss you. Isn’t against your principles to try and stop someone else from doing what they want?

Utter stupidity. So disgusting and disappointing.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

One of my neighbors and my parent’s best friend had MS. It happens.

Why so much desire to make sure people don’t take a vaccine?

I stumbled on this thread late, and just was responding to the OP post about adverse effects from a vaccine.  I have no desire to make sure people don't take the vaccine.  I'm just mentioning a former marine I met who strongly believes he got Ms from the double dose japanese encephalitis vaccine.  It's very difficult to prove if a vaccine is the cause of something like this, but can you blame a guy like that from being hesitant to get the jab?

 

[Sabertooth]

Julie Smith testified that neither she nor her husband were vaccinated against COVID-19. She said it was “experimental,” so she didn’t trust it.

“We didn’t feel confident it had been out long enough,” she said during a hearing Thursday.

She later connected with Dr. Fred Wagshul, a founding physician of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, a nonprofit that touts ivermectin as a wonder drug. Wagshul is a licensed physician but is not board certified within any specialty and hasn’t worked in a hospital for 10 years, according to his testimony.

He prescribed Jeffrey Smith 21 days’ worth of ivermectin without reviewing Jeffrey Smith’s clinical information or talking to any of his treating physicians.

 

This just blows me away.  "It hasn't been out long enough,"   so we will trust someone that isn't board certified that specializes in nothing.

 

This I think is pretty much where my brothers family is at.  They are out of their minds.  

 

[Sabertooth]

I stumbled on this thread late, and just was responding to the OP post about adverse effects from a vaccine.  I have no desire to make sure people don't take the vaccine.  I'm just mentioning a former marine I met who strongly believes he got Ms from the double dose japanese encephalitis vaccine.  It's very difficult to prove if a vaccine is the cause of something like this, but can you blame a guy like that from being hesitant to get the jab?

I don’t blame anyone for making choices like that.  However he can also live with the consequences.  

 

[Sabertooth]

So sad. What ever happened to freedom in this country? Don’t take a vaccine, fine. If you die, you die, no one will miss you. Isn’t against your principles to try and stop someone else from doing what they want?

Utter stupidity. So disgusting and disappointing.

Par for the course in this idiocracy.  

 

[Sabertooth]

One of my neighbors and my parent’s best friend had MS. It happens.

Why so much desire to make sure people don’t take a vaccine?

Power and control wrapped in faux narcissistic concern is the best I can come up with.  
 

 

[stbugs]

I stumbled on this thread late, and just was responding to the OP post about adverse effects from a vaccine.  I have no desire to make sure people don't take the vaccine.  I'm just mentioning a former marine I met who strongly believes he got Ms from the double dose japanese encephalitis vaccine.  It's very difficult to prove if a vaccine is the cause of something like this, but can you blame a guy like that from being hesitant to get the jab?

I can’t blame him, but the way you laid it out said nothing about him being hesitant just an anecdote that could add to others’ hesitancy. Has he talked to doctors or other experts in MS (not Facebook) as to whether he’s at higher risk. His self-diagnosis might end up hurting him more. Hopefully, he never gets it and he’s not sorry to not get vaccinated.

Man, I can’t stand autocorrect sometimes. The pre-fill and select is nice but 9/10 times it corrects to a word I didn’t want.

 

[Dickies]

COVID Patient at Center of Ivermectin Debate at Chicago-Area Hospital Dies

 

[belljr]

COVID Patient at Center of Ivermectin Debate at Chicago-Area Hospital Dies

Well the hospital wouldn't give her any so they are obviously responsible

 

[DallasDMac]

COVID Patient at Center of Ivermectin Debate at Chicago-Area Hospital Dies

Should have went to a veterinarian?

 

[The Commish]

Wow...did someone ACTUALLY go the link I provided?!?!?!?!  

 

[IC FBGCav]

Yes, it's better. I personally know a dozen or more people just in this little neck of the woods who've already had Covid TWICE. Meaning the first infection either didn't generate enough or ANY antibodies to defend against the same infection the second time. Already knowing that Delta is more infectious than the first brand we had, if it's something you want to gamble on, then that's your prerogative. If it were me, I'd surely at least get my antibodies checked and find out what numbers put you at a good level of protection against Delta.  

As for flu shot, best I can understand they have to PREDICT what strain is going to prevalent each year and try to defend against it. Which is why sometimes the flu shot just "doesn't work." It's working it's just not looking for the right strain.  I know that my own son has had 2 strains of flu at once before (which shocked me but I'm sure is probably common lol). The COVID shot (at least   to date) is effective against all strains, and overwhelming majority of the time does it's job very well. Which leads me to...

Final point, it's not just about fighting off infection. It never has been. It's about fighting off SEVERE infection and death. 

Oof