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**TNF on Prime Video - Chargers at Raiders**(-3, 34.5) 8:15 (1 Viewer)
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
No Herbert, No Keenan Allen, coach knows he's on his way out, road divisional game. Anybody going with the Raiders D in a playoff game?
rockaction
Footballguy
Having an internal back-and-forth about it. Big time. Between Atlanta and Las Vegas. The only thing that gives me pause is that Stick didn't look tremendously bad throwing the football, the Chargers will likely rely on Ekeler, and the Raiders offense (this factors into it) can't move the football on their own to establish field position of any sort. Plus, they might turn the ball over deep in their end. They scored zero points last game.
I hate trusting offenses that are that suspect in games a defense has to come up big. I think I'm sticking with Atlanta, even though Atlanta is on the road and their DVOA is about eight spots below Las Vegas's. It's a tough call in the end.
Timmay
Footballguy
I'm confused. What does Atlanta have to do with this game. haha. I don't trust Atlanta's offense either fwiw.
rockaction
Footballguy
I have a choice between Atlanta's D and Las Vegas's D. I'm trying to balance all of the dynamics of each team and how their defense will perform this week.
rockaction
Footballguy
That's true, though Carolina's defense is 29th in DVOA. What is going to give? Will it be Atlanta's offensive deficiencies or Carolina's defensive deficiencies?
One thing I do know is that Las Vegas's offense is only better than the Jets, Carolina, and the Giants. That's pretty bad.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How confident can anyone be that rolls out Jacobs and Adams tonight?
Can you sit them in an FF Playoff week?
Can you sit them in an FF Playoff week?
LV offense is no juggernaut, but the MN D is pretty darn good.
LV seems to be playing pretty hard for Pierce, they're at home, and it is a division matchup. I think they'll play hard. On the other side, feels like LAC could be in serious mail it in mode now.
If Jacobs and Crosby are active, I think LV takes this. Like O'Connell/Jacobs/Adams/Meyers far more than what LAC have left...and we know the LAC D stinks.
You're choice is tough. Two teams I don't trust at all. CAR is due for an upset too.
rockaction
Footballguy
LV is playing hard for Pierce. Whether that translates into a good result is another entire thing altogether. Zero points is zero points. That's Jets-esque. But the choice is indeed tough. It's compounded by Maxx Crosby's potential unavailability. Lots of moving parts here.
We shall see. I'm inclined to go Atlanta, but I reserve the right to change my mind. Awful lot of backups playing for LA. Think that might tip the scales. So many backups, whereas Carolina has Chuba, Thielen, Chark, and other names.
LA has Quentin Johnston and Josh Palmer and admittedly Ekeler, but . . .
Round and round I go in circles.
Insein
Footballguy
Even then you may not want to watch
Timmay
Footballguy
I think Atlanta is a safer play imo. Carolina might be due for an upset only because every week they are due for an upset and fail. Bryce Young does not look good and hasn't shown any signs of justifying a #1 overall pick. Atlanta is in the middle of a playoff race and I expect them to bounce back from their loss last week. Does Bryce Young scare you anymore than Easton Stick, I personally don't think so.
Raiders don't have anything to play for and I'm sure last weeks 3-0 loss to the Vikings was demoralizing for a team that somewhat had hope for a slim playoff chance with a short turn around. I think if Crosby sits, its a no brainer to go Atlanta.
rockaction
Footballguy
No, he really doesn't scare me any more than Easton Stick does.
You make good points. I was sticking Atlanta and your points seem to cement that move.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Lot of noise about Staley being fired and I want to just point out the mental health of Herbert
-My POV is this, imagine you go down for the season and the very next day your head coach is fired and allow that to sink in without bias of any kind...hard to do
My point is that Herbert was already feeling awful, why make things worse? Let Staley lead the team until the end of the season, keep telling Herbert everything is OK and then I feel the front office has an obligation to let Herbert know they are going to part ways with Staley and assure him it wasn't his fault.
It's possible Herbert will be relieved but I believe it would set up Herbert for his 3rd head coach going into Year 5?
That's not good for stability and Herbert advancing as a QB in the NFL. Somebody with a lot of experience is likely the answer, not sure who the best coach is for Herbert moving forward.
-My POV is this, imagine you go down for the season and the very next day your head coach is fired and allow that to sink in without bias of any kind...hard to do
My point is that Herbert was already feeling awful, why make things worse? Let Staley lead the team until the end of the season, keep telling Herbert everything is OK and then I feel the front office has an obligation to let Herbert know they are going to part ways with Staley and assure him it wasn't his fault.
It's possible Herbert will be relieved but I believe it would set up Herbert for his 3rd head coach going into Year 5?
That's not good for stability and Herbert advancing as a QB in the NFL. Somebody with a lot of experience is likely the answer, not sure who the best coach is for Herbert moving forward.
modogg
Footballguy
I'm trying to figure out this (Raiders vs. Rams), and if I should start Josh Palmer for Nico Collins.............
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
...since week 2. He wasn't expected to survive the bye in week 5. A three-game losing streak was supposed to definitely bury him.
Staley will finish out the year because Spanos doesn't see an upside of hiring an interim and definitely doesn't want to pay Staley to not-coach any more games than he has to. How it affects Herbert is likely an afterthought on Dean's part.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
If Jacob’s and Crosby were 100% I’d feel better but I’m worried there won’t be many opportunity for sacks and picks with Ekeler handoffs and short pass game.
rockaction
Footballguy
34.5, according to MoP and CBS Sports. I have no idea what various other places are saying it is.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Also will check here
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
first 3 games this week are backup QB v backup QB
- Chargers at Raiders TNF
- Vikings at Bengals Saturday 1pm
- Steelers at Colts Saturday 4pm
Max Power
Footballguy
I feel like this is a pretty safe under
massraider
Footballguy
God this is exciting.
You lucky viewers, you.
You lucky viewers, you.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
This is what I'm wondering as well, regarding Adams. Apparently he's been sick but expected to play.
Pinned
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What an all-time terrible slate of games TNF has drawn this year.
Honestly I’m glad - TNF is an abomination, and an injury magnet. It should not exist save for Thanksgiving.
/rant
Honestly I’m glad - TNF is an abomination, and an injury magnet. It should not exist save for Thanksgiving.
/rant
Insein
Footballguy
There's a billion reasons why it will continue to exist.
massraider
Footballguy
Was that really necessary?
Which years did you enjoy the Thursday slate?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Zamir White?
Who is willing to roll the dice?
Who has few to not other options?
Likely going to be the RB1 for the Raiders tonight
Who is willing to roll the dice?
Who has few to not other options?
Likely going to be the RB1 for the Raiders tonight
rockaction
Footballguy
I know we go through this what seems like every week, but I just wanted to intone that I don't mind Thursday Night Football as a concept. That said, it doesn't work. These guys' bodies just don't heal in time to play effectively.
The players agree to it in the CBA, but it's a bum deal to get thrown into a Thursday night game.
Anyway, I don't want to muck up a positive game thread with negative energy, but I get concerned for the guys that I root for and that I roster in fantasy. I don't want to see them out of commission for an extended period of time because their body hasn't had the chance to heal properly.
The players agree to it in the CBA, but it's a bum deal to get thrown into a Thursday night game.
Anyway, I don't want to muck up a positive game thread with negative energy, but I get concerned for the guys that I root for and that I roster in fantasy. I don't want to see them out of commission for an extended period of time because their body hasn't had the chance to heal properly.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There have been some compelling TNF games over the years.
This has not been one of those years.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So was NE/Pit
ghostguy123
Footballguy
This feels like a much worse watch than the NE/Pit game was supposed to be.
I WANTED to see that game. This game feels like the Pampers Bowl between South Ohio City State and West SouthWest Pennsyltucky co-op.
I WANTED to see that game. This game feels like the Pampers Bowl between South Ohio City State and West SouthWest Pennsyltucky co-op.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If someone could please post the key inactives for tonight when you see them, that would be greeeaaaaat. MmmK?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Chargers declared TE Donald Parham, WR Keenan Allen, S JT Woods, DB Deane Leonard, LB Amen Ogbongbemiga, DL Otito Ogbonnia and DL Nick Williams inactive for Week 15 against the Raiders.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hmmm, the O/U jumped up to 36.
Must be predicting Zamir White four TDs
Must be predicting Zamir White four TDs
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Under 28.5 paying +210. Hmmmm
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
back up center, LT and RB. AOC is an insult to statues I’m on the dolts
ghostguy123
Footballguy
This sounds about right
Dez
Footballguy
The Thursday night saga continues as I have to decided on my most important team (#13 in the NFFC prime) in the most important week so far this year (1st week for the $250K tournament)
I need to pick 2 of Adams, Zeke and Swift. Will I choose right ? Probably not. I will either be sick watching Adams catch balls on my bench or be sick as he ghosts me in my lineup.
Hopkins 25 DK 13 I got that one right last week at least.
I need to pick 2 of Adams, Zeke and Swift. Will I choose right ? Probably not. I will either be sick watching Adams catch balls on my bench or be sick as he ghosts me in my lineup.
Hopkins 25 DK 13 I got that one right last week at least.
rockaction
Footballguy
This game has so many moving parts that it screams "Stay away!"
Nobody can possibly have a bead on even good reasons for a prediction regarding this game.
Nobody can possibly have a bead on even good reasons for a prediction regarding this game.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
19-13 dolts
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