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What WRs is RB Mathewa worth in dynasty?
What WRs is RB Mathewa worth in dynasty?
I moved Roddy for Mthews and the 1.11 pick in 14 team dyno league early in the off season. I think that is a pretty fair deal for both parties considering Mathews' injury risk.PPR ...rb 0.5,,,WR 1.0What WRs is RB Mathewa worth in dynasty?
I'm with you. It's weird that he had the same break on both sides, and potentially concerning, but in general my risk discounts are among the smallest you'll find, so I still wind up being one of the highest staffers on Mathews (3rd highest at the moment). He's my 16th best dynasty back right now, and honestly, the deterioration of the Chargers is at least as concerning to me as the injury history. Still, he makes a strong rb2 as one of the few potential workhorses in the league, and there's a solid chance he winds up just crushing everyone's expectations.Better than what almost anyone on these boards will likely say because everyone loves to dog Matthews But it's simple. If he avoids injury, he can easily be a top back in fantasy. He's done that. He has also been a crappy back due to injury. I'm going to be one of those people that doesn't say I assume he will be hurt and say I think he ends up as the 17-20th best back this year with no surprise if it closer to 12th.
There wasn't even a 3 game stretch where he put up close to top 10 numbers. And for a 3 down back, he hardly played any 3rd downs in 2012. Explain that?If he stays healthy, he's a lock for top 10, simple as that. He has many haters because he was a 1st, 2nd round pick in Dyno startups last year and burned too many, myself included. He's no more an injury risk than McFadden or Murray yet both have more perceived value. Mathews is a 3 down back that catches well.
Wasn't he top 10 in 2011?There wasn't even a 3 game stretch where he put up close to top 10 numbers. And for a 3 down back, he hardly played any 3rd downs in 2012. Explain that?If he stays healthy, he's a lock for top 10, simple as that.He has many haters because he was a 1st, 2nd round pick in Dyno startups last year and burned too many, myself included.He's no more an injury risk than McFadden or Murray yet both have more perceived value.Mathews is a 3 down back that catches well.
I've never owned him in my life but I've seen enough of him now to say he's injury prone, not an every down back and fumbles too much. He's not worthless yet but he's not trusted by the team and probably won't be trusted anywhere else either when (yes, when) he leaves.If he stays healthy, he's a lock for top 10, simple as that.He has many haters because he was a 1st, 2nd round pick in Dyno startups last year and burned too many, myself included.He's no more an injury risk than McFadden or Murray yet both have more perceived value.Mathews is a 3 down back that catches well.
He's a very talented athlete but I believe he lacks the instincts to be a RB. I think he could be very successful somewhere that opens up massive holes, but even then he'll frustrate the coach with his lousy decision making. If someone wants to take a shot on him with a late 1st, I get it, but I don't like his future prospects.Solid RB2. He's got a rare size/speed combo, but runs a bit stiff (not elusive) and takes too many hits as a result. Durability has always been an issue for him and that's unlikely to change.
I've bought him in a couple leagues this offseason. Not a huge fan necessarily, but he's a decent value right now.
25 years old. Former top 15 pick. 4.37 speed at 218 pounds. A year removed from a top 10 finish.
You could do a lot worse at his current price tag.
He had 2 fumbles in 223 touches last season. And going back to 2011, he had 5 fumbles that season, but only 1 in his last 108 touches. The Chargers completely overreacted to his first fumble last season, and it led them to completely mishandle his role and usage last year. He only played 51.6% of the offensive snaps in the games he played in last season. He should have played much more.I've seen enough of him now to say he's injury prone, not an every down back and fumbles too much.
Last season the Charges were a mess. The year before he was # 7 rb in ppr. I look to that year vs. the season where he came back from a broken collar bone ect. Mathews got less than 10 carries on third downs all year. The new coaching staff I don't believe will make that mistake.And to the guy that said he would be pulled for Danny Woodhead on 3rd downs that made me lol. Those two are not close.I'm sure Woodhead will spell in but he's not the 3rd down backAllot went wrong for Mathews last year however, he has shown he can be a top 10 back when healthy. Add new additions to the offense line and a more stable receiving core he should enjoy success similar to the 2011 season.There wasn't even a 3 game stretch where he put up close to top 10 numbers. And for a 3 down back, he hardly played any 3rd downs in 2012. Explain that?If he stays healthy, he's a lock for top 10, simple as that. He has many haters because he was a 1st, 2nd round pick in Dyno startups last year and burned too many, myself included. He's no more an injury risk than McFadden or Murray yet both have more perceived value. Mathews is a 3 down back that catches well.
yup, his stats can be good one game but he loves to be pulled out and is always crying to the sideline to come out. No heart at all.Happily cutting bait with him dynasty-wise. Let someone else have the joy of owning him.
If it bites me in the ###, so be it.
I am riding this out. Drafted him # 1 in my rookie draft several years ago, and I will keep him until he is out of the nfl (which very well could be in 2 years).Happily cutting bait with him dynasty-wise. Let someone else have the joy of owning him.
If it bites me in the ###, so be it.
ask them if he really play WOW all night?I have several friends who are close with Ryan.
Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
Is elusiveness, measured by PFF, the most important factor in grading a RB now? Huh. Interesting.It has no bearing on what I was talking about, but where does Mathews fall here? Just wondering.Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/16/signature-stats-elusive-rating/
Mathews was #20 in 2012 and #19 in 2011, if the qualifying threshold is 25% of offensive snaps. Raising the cutoff to 50% of offensive snaps puts him at #11 in 2012 and #9 in 2011.ConnSKINS26 said:Is elusiveness, measured by PFF, the most important factor in grading a RB now? Huh. Interesting.It has no bearing on what I was talking about, but where does Mathews fall here? Just wondering.FF Ninja said:https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/16/signature-stats-elusive-rating/ConnSKINS26 said:Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Yitbos69 said:Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!ConnSKINS26 said:Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
No, I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt, but elite players don't finish last on that list. That is typically reserved for players of the ilk of a 32 year old Thomas Jones.ConnSKINS26 said:Is elusiveness, measured by PFF, the most important factor in grading a RB now? Huh. Interesting.It has no bearing on what I was talking about, but where does Mathews fall here? Just wondering.FF Ninja said:https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/16/signature-stats-elusive-rating/ConnSKINS26 said:Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Yitbos69 said:Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!ConnSKINS26 said:Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
I have a hard time finding much meaningful or predictive information in that stat. Rice was near the bottom in 2011. Forster and Charles down there in 2012. I don't think they have quite figured out a way to assess the value of a RB.FF Ninja, on 28 May 2013 - 07:57, said:
No, I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt, but elite players don't finish last on that list. That is typically reserved for players of the ilk of a 32 year old Thomas Jones.ConnSKINS26 said:ConnSKINS26, on 27 May 2013 - 21:42, said:
Is elusiveness, measured by PFF, the most important factor in grading a RB now? Huh. Interesting.It has no bearing on what I was talking about, but where does Mathews fall here? Just wondering.FF Ninja said:FF Ninja, on 27 May 2013 - 16:22, said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/16/signature-stats-elusive-rating/ConnSKINS26 said:ConnSKINS26, on 27 May 2013 - 12:15, said:
Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Yitbos69 said:Yitbos69, on 27 May 2013 - 08:12, said:
Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!ConnSKINS26 said:ConnSKINS26, on 26 May 2013 - 12:54, said:
Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
Woodhead is nothing more than a potential 3rd down back. Which is fine for Mathews owners because he will easily surpass 40, maybe 50 receptions without third downs if he plays 16 games.
Ya, this is the same system that rated LeGarrette Blount as the most elusive back in the league just two years ago. That alone is pretty indicative of the worthlessness of this PFF stat, and the fact that it does not project future success. It actually just muddies the water, adding a new level of confusion when analyzing talent.I have a hard time finding much meaningful or predictive information in that stat. Rice was near the bottom in 2011. Forster and Charles down there in 2012. I don't think they have quite figured out a way to assess the value of a RB.FF Ninja, on 28 May 2013 - 07:57, said:
No, I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt, but elite players don't finish last on that list. That is typically reserved for players of the ilk of a 32 year old Thomas Jones.Woodhead is nothing more than a potential 3rd down back. Which is fine for Mathews owners because he will easily surpass 40, maybe 50 receptions without third downs if he plays 16 games.ConnSKINS26 said:ConnSKINS26, on 27 May 2013 - 21:42, said:
Is elusiveness, measured by PFF, the most important factor in grading a RB now? Huh. Interesting.It has no bearing on what I was talking about, but where does Mathews fall here? Just wondering.FF Ninja said:FF Ninja, on 27 May 2013 - 16:22, said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/16/signature-stats-elusive-rating/ConnSKINS26 said:ConnSKINS26, on 27 May 2013 - 12:15, said:
Maybe throw on a few Patriots games and take another look. I've seen almost every game he's played, he's severely underrated. And on top of the receiving ability and production, he has an elite athletic profile as well.Yitbos69 said:Yitbos69, on 27 May 2013 - 08:12, said:
Anyone that would call Woodhead elite at anything is kidding themselves!ConnSKINS26 said:ConnSKINS26, on 26 May 2013 - 12:54, said:
Anyone who thinks Mathews is getting passing down work over Woodhead in obvious passing situations is kidding themselves. Mathews is not a 3-down RB. And with his injury history, why would SD try to force him to be one, when they've got an elite receiving option (as far as RBBC guys go) in Woodhead?
By Marc Sessler
Around the League Writer
Ryan Mathews has been a source of frustration for San Diego Chargers fans from the beginning of his underwhelming NFL career, but some have taken it too far.
Especially on Twitter.
"I've had people say they hope me and my mom get AIDS and die," Mathews told Kevin Acee of U-T San Diego on Wednesday.
Vitriolic tweets are a new and unwelcome phenomena for the modern athlete, but Mathews would catch heat for his play in any era.
To be fair, he marched into a tough scenario in San Diego. Drafted 12th overall in 2010, he was touted as the heir apparent to LaDainian Tomlinson, but durability and fumbling issues have shrunk those expectations.
"So far, what I've done right now, I've been just an average back," Mathews said. "I got a lot of people just frustrated with my performance in the last few years. They expected me to come in and do big things. And I expect myself to."
Mathews sports a solid 4.4 yards per carry average over 32 starts, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to cement himself as an unquestioned starter. His three seasons have included a nasty sprained ankle and a twice-broken collarbone.
Still, general manager Tom Telesco said last month that he expects "big things" from Mathews, who he labeled a "bellcow" back. Former Chargers coach Norv Turner lost patience with Mathews, but an offseason regime change has furnished the runner with another chance -- probably his last in San Diego.
Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
thisHappily cutting bait with him dynasty-wise. Let someone else have the joy of owning him.
If it bites me in the ###, so be it.
A great drinking game is to take a drink every time Mathews waves to the sidelines to be pulled out of the game. It's guaranteed to get you drunk.thisHappily cutting bait with him dynasty-wise. Let someone else have the joy of owning him.
If it bites me in the ###, so be it.
i rather commit suicide in a bit more fashionable wayA great drinking game is to take a drink every time Mathews waves to the sidelines to be pulled out of the game. It's guaranteed to get you drunk.thisHappily cutting bait with him dynasty-wise. Let someone else have the joy of owning him.
If it bites me in the ###, so be it.
He's the only bellcow back you're going to find available that late. I'm targeting him for sure. The talent is there. The offense can't possibly be worse. The only question is health. If he's healthy, he'll easily outperform his RB23 pricetag.I like Mathews this year. Drafting him about the 4-5 round as a #2
Stay healthy Ryan!!!!
"I've had people say they hope me and my mom get AIDS and die," Mathews told Kevin Acee of U-T San Diego on Wednesday.
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, it's "fairly common knowledge" that Ryan Mathews frequents bars and nightclubs "even at times and dates that show questionable judgment."
Mathews was not arrested as originally reported by Examiner.com early Monday, but he's no stranger to the nightclub scene, from which U-T San Diego columnist and longtime Chargers beat reporter Kevin Acee believes Mathews needs a "wakeup" call. Mathews has been perhaps the NFL's most disappointing player since the Chargers traded up for him at 12th overall in the 2010 draft.
Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Really?Rotoworld:
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, it's "fairly common knowledge" that Ryan Mathews frequents bars and nightclubs "even at times and dates that show questionable judgment."
Mathews was not arrested as originally reported by Examiner.com early Monday, but he's no stranger to the nightclub scene, from which U-T San Diego columnist and longtime Chargers beat reporter Kevin Acee believes Mathews needs a "wakeup" call. Mathews has been perhaps the NFL's most disappointing player since the Chargers traded up for him at 12th overall in the 2010 draft.
Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Par for the Mathews course at this point.,Really?Rotoworld:
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, it's "fairly common knowledge" that Ryan Mathews frequents bars and nightclubs "even at times and dates that show questionable judgment."
Mathews was not arrested as originally reported by Examiner.com early Monday, but he's no stranger to the nightclub scene, from which U-T San Diego columnist and longtime Chargers beat reporter Kevin Acee believes Mathews needs a "wakeup" call. Mathews has been perhaps the NFL's most disappointing player since the Chargers traded up for him at 12th overall in the 2010 draft.
Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
That's a huge stretch Rotoworld.
Having said that, it would be nice if this guy would get serious. This isn't the first time I've heard rumblings about his work ethic and desire.