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Any idea on if/when a name change will occur?
It feels like they’re sorta slow rolling things until the big rebrand.
It feels like they’re sorta slow rolling things until the big rebrand.
I may be in the minority as a Washington fan, but I do not care about a name change at all. As in: I don't care whether they change it or not. It's a name. Bottom line, if the team were to go 14-2 and win a Super Bowl as the Commanders, eventually all fans would grow to love the name and just roll with it.Any idea on if/when a name change will occur?
It feels like they’re sorta slow rolling things until the big rebrand.
I may be in the minority as a Washington fan, but I do not care about a name change at all. As in: I don't care whether they change it or not. It's a name. Bottom line, if the team were to go 14-2 and win a Super Bowl as the Commanders, eventually all fans would grow to love the name and just roll with it.Any idea on if/when a name change will occur?
It feels like they’re sorta slow rolling things until the big rebrand.
Figure out how to win. Then the rest will follow. I think the ownership group is playing it correctly not leading with Marketing Fluff over Building a Good Organization. That's Snyder stuff...
Sure, I should clarify that I am not AGAINST a name change. I get what you are saying about the stench of Snyder. I suppose it's just not a very high priority for me. But I totally get where you all are coming from for sure...I may be in the minority as a Washington fan, but I do not care about a name change at all. As in: I don't care whether they change it or not. It's a name. Bottom line, if the team were to go 14-2 and win a Super Bowl as the Commanders, eventually all fans would grow to love the name and just roll with it.Any idea on if/when a name change will occur?
It feels like they’re sorta slow rolling things until the big rebrand.
Figure out how to win. Then the rest will follow. I think the ownership group is playing it correctly not leading with Marketing Fluff over Building a Good Organization. That's Snyder stuff...
The problem for me is Snyder chose the name Commanders. I don’t want a single connection to that *******. So for me, the name is a huge priority, along with a uniform redesign. This offseason was far too critical to worry much about such things, but now that the train is on the tracks in ownership, front office, coaching, and QB, they can turn their attention to fumigating the final remnants of the Snyder ****-stain. The stadium is more important, but it appears to be on track with heading back to the RFK site. The name is a close 2nd for me.
Fix the name, fix the awful uniforms, and send us back to DC.
I think they're taking Daniels. I've thought that all alongAnyone get the sense that Maye is the pick here. MIN is meeting with Daniels in Baton Rouge today. There's no reason for that unless they know a) WAS would trade with them or b) NE would trade with them (more likely B IMO)
I think there's evidence worth considering that, at no point was Daniels interested in being selected by Adam Peters & Washington. I agree with Mike's point, the way they went public with this, what's the reason for it? They're a couple of shmucks? Well, that's always a possibility. On the NFLN it was reported that the meetings were staggered, they met with each player individually. They also reported that this goes on, this wasn't anything unusual. Which makes the reaction strange. Perhaps it was just another opportunity for Daniels to make clear he doesn't want to play there? I've read that back in '22 Peters told Daniels or someone close to him or somewhere & Daniels found out about it that if he came out he'd be like a 5th RD pick. He also said Daniels game didn't translate.I think Daniels and agent expected to be the clear choice at 2, has been given no such assurances, was surprised by the Top Golf curveball, further surprised to not be given any assurances after the meetings, and met with the Vikings because he doesn’t think he’s going at 2. I’m pretty confident we hear Maye’s name called on Thursday.
I think there's evidence worth considering that, at no point was Daniels interested in being selected by Adam Peters & Washington. I agree with Mike's point, the way they went public with this, what's the reason for it? They're a couple of shmucks? Well, that's always a possibility. On the NFLN it was reported that the meetings were staggered, they met with each player individually. They also reported that this goes on, this wasn't anything unusual. Which makes the reaction strange. Perhaps it was just another opportunity for Daniels to make clear he doesn't want to play there? I've read that back in '22 Peters told Daniels or someone close to him or somewhere & Daniels found out about it that if he came out he'd be like a 5th RD pick. He also said Daniels game didn't translate.I think Daniels and agent expected to be the clear choice at 2, has been given no such assurances, was surprised by the Top Golf curveball, further surprised to not be given any assurances after the meetings, and met with the Vikings because he doesn’t think he’s going at 2. I’m pretty confident we hear Maye’s name called on Thursday.
I do agree that if they stay put Maye is the choice.
I think it's a bunch of over-analysis and guesswork, which we see EVERY YEAR in the week before the draft, and means nothing. Teams are going to draft who they believe will help them the most. Guessing at what players think or agents think or front offices think is just that -- guesswork. I've gotten to the point where I pay little to no attention to it, because each year as soon as the draft is concluded, all the pre-draft worried speculation about hundreds of players goes right out the window, is forgotten, and then is repeated next year.What do you all think about this big kerfluffle over Jayden Daniels' agent, Ron Butler, appearing to publicly criticize the Washington Commanders for hosting all four QBs at the same time.
2024 NFL Draft: Jayden Daniels' agent appears unhappy with Commanders interviewing four QB prospects at once
Washington's process of interviewing quarterbacks apparently ruffled some featherswww.cbssports.com
I have heard everything from: "it doesn't matter; it's a nothing burger" to "it shows that Daniels is trying to force Washington to pass on him."
I'm not sure either extreme is fair. First, to the "it's a nothing burger" crowd...it's not nothing. Ron Butler did in fact pretty publicly question the process. It would have been very easy to just say nothing. Even if you didn't like the process, you have to go on social media and make a comment about it? I don't buy that. It's something.
On the other hand, there are multiple ways to spin it. Sure, one way to spin it is to suggest that Daniels wants Washington to pass. Maybe NE is ready to trade with Minn and Daniels wants to go to a ready made team in Minn? But another way to spin it is maybe at the meeting, it started to become clear that Daniels wasn't in fact a shoe in for the # 2 pick so now his agent is starting to spin it so it looks like they -- and not Washington -- are calling the shots.
Either way, I just don't think this is a good look for Daniels or his camp. I've seen a lot of excuses, like: "it was his agent not him" or "people are reading too much into the agent's social media posts." These feel like inadequate excuses to me. Even if the reaction is overblown, you are Daniels and you are Butler and you see this S Storm in the media now. You could EASILY make this go away with a follow up tweet or X or whatever walking back the first comment or just clarifying it that you had a great visit and would be happy to play for Washington...just some standard nicety nice generic safe statement. But that hasn't happened.
I'm not sure what to make of all this but I do think it's another flag on Daniels in my mind. I know he's a good player but seems a bit presumptuous that unless you get a one on one butt kissing session you are going to criticize the process. You haven't taken a snap yet dude. And again, even if you don't like the process, you don't have to comment publicly on social media about it. It's just a bad look.
Just curious as to how you all reacted to this latest news.
I get a jilted lover vibe from Daniels camp.I think there's evidence worth considering that, at no point was Daniels interested in being selected by Adam Peters & Washington. I agree with Mike's point, the way they went public with this, what's the reason for it? They're a couple of shmucks? Well, that's always a possibility. On the NFLN it was reported that the meetings were staggered, they met with each player individually. They also reported that this goes on, this wasn't anything unusual. Which makes the reaction strange. Perhaps it was just another opportunity for Daniels to make clear he doesn't want to play there? I've read that back in '22 Peters told Daniels or someone close to him or somewhere & Daniels found out about it that if he came out he'd be like a 5th RD pick. He also said Daniels game didn't translate.I think Daniels and agent expected to be the clear choice at 2, has been given no such assurances, was surprised by the Top Golf curveball, further surprised to not be given any assurances after the meetings, and met with the Vikings because he doesn’t think he’s going at 2. I’m pretty confident we hear Maye’s name called on Thursday.
I do agree that if they stay put Maye is the choice.
Peters today practically flat out said they’re staying put. I’m also not buying the idea Jayden doesn’t want to go #2. Why wouldn’t he? This is an expansion franchise. It’s all brand new. I mean maybe he’s a moron but I don’t get that vibe.
While I agree that this is overreaction season, several things still give me pause.I think it's a bunch of over-analysis and guesswork, which we see EVERY YEAR in the week before the draft, and means nothing. Teams are going to draft who they believe will help them the most. Guessing at what players think or agents think or front offices think is just that -- guesswork. I've gotten to the point where I pay little to no attention to it, because each year as soon as the draft is concluded, all the pre-draft worried speculation about hundreds of players goes right out the window, is forgotten, and then is repeated next year.What do you all think about this big kerfluffle over Jayden Daniels' agent, Ron Butler, appearing to publicly criticize the Washington Commanders for hosting all four QBs at the same time.
2024 NFL Draft: Jayden Daniels' agent appears unhappy with Commanders interviewing four QB prospects at once
Washington's process of interviewing quarterbacks apparently ruffled some featherswww.cbssports.com
I have heard everything from: "it doesn't matter; it's a nothing burger" to "it shows that Daniels is trying to force Washington to pass on him."
I'm not sure either extreme is fair. First, to the "it's a nothing burger" crowd...it's not nothing. Ron Butler did in fact pretty publicly question the process. It would have been very easy to just say nothing. Even if you didn't like the process, you have to go on social media and make a comment about it? I don't buy that. It's something.
On the other hand, there are multiple ways to spin it. Sure, one way to spin it is to suggest that Daniels wants Washington to pass. Maybe NE is ready to trade with Minn and Daniels wants to go to a ready made team in Minn? But another way to spin it is maybe at the meeting, it started to become clear that Daniels wasn't in fact a shoe in for the # 2 pick so now his agent is starting to spin it so it looks like they -- and not Washington -- are calling the shots.
Either way, I just don't think this is a good look for Daniels or his camp. I've seen a lot of excuses, like: "it was his agent not him" or "people are reading too much into the agent's social media posts." These feel like inadequate excuses to me. Even if the reaction is overblown, you are Daniels and you are Butler and you see this S Storm in the media now. You could EASILY make this go away with a follow up tweet or X or whatever walking back the first comment or just clarifying it that you had a great visit and would be happy to play for Washington...just some standard nicety nice generic safe statement. But that hasn't happened.
I'm not sure what to make of all this but I do think it's another flag on Daniels in my mind. I know he's a good player but seems a bit presumptuous that unless you get a one on one butt kissing session you are going to criticize the process. You haven't taken a snap yet dude. And again, even if you don't like the process, you don't have to comment publicly on social media about it. It's just a bad look.
Just curious as to how you all reacted to this latest news.
https://www.hogshaven.com/2024/4/20...round-is-going-to-play-out-they-are-full-of-s“Drake Maye is the biggest wild card in all of this,” said the general manager of a team that has done significant work on quarterbacks. “Some guys love him and think he could end up the best QB in this class, and some legitimately think he’s a mid-round pick.”
Washington signed 22 free agents in addition to re-signing four of its own. The Commanders added at least eight new starters via free agency, including linebackers Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu and tight end Zach Ertz. They also added third-down back Austin Ekeler.
I agree that Daniels wants to be drafted early, every player does. But players also know how important the right fit can be. To me, what we're seeing is an attempt by him & his agent to determine where he lands. If we didn't know before we know now that he wants to play for Antonio Pierce & Vegas. Oh, what a coincidence, they want him & are going to make a play to move up. With respect to Peters, he did say the other day that they were great staying where they are. But something less assuring he also volunteers up:"Peters today practically flat out said they’re staying put. I’m also not buying the idea Jayden doesn’t want to go #2. ..."
Daniels PR Rep (not agent) trying to do damage control: "Jayden Daniels is excited to be a part of the @nfl and wherever he is drafted he will be happy to be a part of that organization ."
Pros-this at least an attempt to stamp out any notion that he would just straight up refuse to play for Washington and that in theory he would be happy to be here along with any other team.
Con-doesnt address Washington by name...which is significant because we were the only place that was being questioned. Lukewarm embrace
I do kind of wonder if the team was giving vibes at that meeting that Maye was the dude and JDs agent was butt hurt. It's an odd situation.
I am happy that the PR Rep put this out though...it's something and at least indicates we won't have an Eli Manning situation. Most pundits say JD is better. My growing hunch is we may see Maye though.
You know what, lll be happy either way...
First of all, here’s the full Peters quote about trading back:I agree that Daniels wants to be drafted early, every player does. But players also know how important the right fit can be. To me, what we're seeing is an attempt by him & his agent to determine where he lands. If we didn't know before we know now that he wants to play for Antonio Pierce & Vegas. Oh, what a coincidence, they want him & are going to make a play to move up. With respect to Peters, he did say the other day that they were great staying where they are. But something less assuring he also volunteers up:"Peters today practically flat out said they’re staying put. I’m also not buying the idea Jayden doesn’t want to go #2. ..."
"Now, I will say this also, we don't really need to make a decision until you need to make a decision. So there's no rush with that..."
That part doesn't contradict his point about being good staying where they are, but it does erase any notion that they've closed the door on trading down.
"I don't see a whole lot of scenarios where we trade down, to be honest with you."
So there's another thing he says that, if you choose to, you can read into not a whole lot means zero. I interpret that to mean not many, not any at all. That could be GM to GM speak, oh, yeah we've got one serious offer but the others, mm, they're junk.
"... so we have the debrief on our 30 (prospect) visits with the whole staff, talking about everybody there."
I'm including this quote because like Mike, I'd like my question answered this time. Twice now, I think, Mike has said what we should see, if Daniels does want to play there he needs to come and say as much. My question is this; if Peters has Minnesota's best offer & that of the Raiders & neither are good enough, why did they bring Michael Penix Jr in?
"... rumors still point to him preferring another team. ... During an interview with ESPN colleague Pat McAfee, Adam Schefter noted Daniels has had interest in playing elsewhere from the outset of the pre-draft process. Considering his past with Raiders HC Antonio Pierce and the AFC West team not doing a good job of making it a secret it would want to reunite the two... The Raiders are believed to have asked OC candidates about working with Daniels ... New Washington OC Kliff Kingsbury is believed to favor Daniels, La Canfora adds..." https://www.profootballrumors.com/2...manders-kingsbury-harris-raiders-visit-weight
Question #3, what about the bolded part citing Adam Shefter? Perhaps you interpret it differently & that's okay, but to me it suggests that he's known all along that at no point did Daniels want to play for Washington. Yes, no, you don't know? Fair to say any number of comments have leaned on him contending that Daniels to Washington is a done deal? Them trading back is a real possibility, IMO.
Peters comment did place a trade back as the less-likely scenario. That the offers to this point haven't been enough. But to conclude that they haven't even been remotely close, I don't know about that part. Enter Michael Penix Jr & if they were impressed by him & offered more, then I think there's a good chance they trade back.Peters quote about trading back: "We feel great about staying at No. 2,"
I consider this case closed as to trading back for anything close to normal compensation. If Minnesota wants to throw out Jefferson, 11, 2025 1st, ok sure. Insane offers only. And they brought in Penix to account for any insane offers that come their way. Highly, highly unlikely to happen but rather burn a 30 visit than be unprepared on a QB decision.
You're right, what he's asked about & what he says. But when he then says: "Now, I will also say" that's a break from what he was just going on about. What does he say after that? He's not talking about a player, he's talking about being on the clock in real time. A decision? Not about a player because he already told us, they're going to know whether it's Maye or Daniels on Monday or Tuesday.Regarding decision until you have to make a decision, here’s the full quote:
"We're real close," Peters said. ... Now, I will say this also, we don't really need to make a decision until you need to make a decision. So there's no rush with that, but I think we'll have a pretty good idea what we're doing early next week."
He’s pretty clearly talking here about whether they’ve decided on a QB, not whether they will trade back. He’s talking about picking at 2.
Good article about rookie QB evaluations: https://theathletic.com/5375788/2024/04/11/nfl-draft-2024-top-quarterbacks/
Who was doing the evaluations:
Two active general managers
Three personnel executives
Three scouts
One assistant/QBs coach
Three former general managers
One ex-head coach
Four former players-turned-analysts, including two ex-quarterbacks
Scores:
Caleb Williams: 78
Jayden Daniels: 50
Drake Maye: 24
J.J.McCarthy: 23
Michael Penix: 8
Bo Nix: 3
Personnel executive 1: He scares the hell out of me. Longer thrower with a big arm but not quick release. Nothing feels like it happens in rhythm, and accuracy is average. Needs a year on the bench.
I am pretty sure they are taking Maye. I'm equally sure they are drafting Daniels. I hope they trade down. That just about covers what I know.
There are negatives popping up with Jayden IMO. Whether it's his mother paying for recruit flights at Arizona State. Peters reportedly having a poor grade on him last year. His inability to slide. His teammates raided his locker when he left Arizona St and some clearly didn't think much of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A04oTNa8GU He can clearly throw the rock. But there easily could be a Bo Callahan situation here. Plus his agent wouldn't put this stuff out unless he was trying to protect his players ... ie when he doesn't go 2nd he can act like it was WAS fault. What WAS did bringing them all in at same time was pretty standard fare.
I think and have always thought this pick is Drake Maye. And I am totally good with that. He can sling it. Love his over the middle throws. He runs better than people think. He has size. He has tremendous upside.
So Maye. Then they trade rounds 2 & 3 picks to move up late into round 1 to get a LT like Fuaga or Mimms.
The other 2nd rounder can be used on Edge, WR, or CB.
Then TE, Edge, WR, or CB in round 3.
I don't think this 2024 WFT'skins Team is anywhere near ready to compete for a post-season berth/run, no matter who is under center.
I do think every single year of a Rookie QB contract is quite possibly the most valuable Roster commodity that exists.
It does this 2024 Team no good to draft a QB who is the most ready to play in 2024, IMHO. I think it might even harm the development of said QB, taking the field with this Team, this year.
I'm ecstatic that it looks like the Bears are locked into Caleb Williams, and we have no shot at landing him. I believe the Red Flags.
I want nothing to do with Jayden Daniels, either. Worried about him holding up, and I believe the Red Flags, too, including about his Mom.
GIve me the guy with the highest potential ceiling, and the least amount of off-field headaches and circus. Let that potential ceiling hold a clipboard for a year, and build the infrastructure he needs to succeed in 2025 and beyond.
IMHO, that's the path to a competitive 2025, and double-digit wins/playoff runs in the years that follow.
If Peters takes JD, I'll buy in, but I'll be nervous.
Ertz is a 1 year rental so WAS isn't forced to pick a TE when the crop is pretty slim this year. Met him some recently. Super nice but quiet guy. I agree Wagner and Ekeler probably have 2-4 more good seasons in them.Stuff I'm happy about.
Washington signed 22 free agents in addition to re-signing four of its own. The Commanders added at least eight new starters via free agency, including linebackers Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu and tight end Zach Ertz. They also added third-down back Austin Ekeler.
For the record, I don't think Ertz will do much. And I think Ekeler and Wagner will exceed expectations. I don't think either of them is anywhere near being shot.
I like how you are thinking. We should be looking long term, beyond this year. I keep hearing over and over again that we have to take Daniels over Maybe or McCarthy because Daniels can play this year and Maye or McCarthy will have to sit. Is that really a logical way to look at the selection of a QB who you want to have for 10-15 years? What is magical about this year? As you say, this is not the championship year.I don't think this 2024 WFT'skins Team is anywhere near ready to compete for a post-season berth/run, no matter who is under center.
I do think every single year of a Rookie QB contract is quite possibly the most valuable Roster commodity that exists.
It does this 2024 Team no good to draft a QB who is the most ready to play in 2024, IMHO. I think it might even harm the development of said QB, taking the field with this Team, this year.
I'm ecstatic that it looks like the Bears are locked into Caleb Williams, and we have no shot at landing him. I believe the Red Flags.
I want nothing to do with Jayden Daniels, either. Worried about him holding up, and I believe the Red Flags, too, including about his Mom.
GIve me the guy with the highest potential ceiling, and the least amount of off-field headaches and circus. Let that potential ceiling hold a clipboard for a year, and build the infrastructure he needs to succeed in 2025 and beyond.
IMHO, that's the path to a competitive 2025, and double-digit wins/playoff runs in the years that follow.
If Peters takes JD, I'll buy in, but I'll be nervous.
If I were a Washington fan, I wouldn't worry so much about what they do at #2. They are gonna take a QB - it's a given - and he may or may not work out. That's the way it goes.
What the Commanders need to do is hit on a bunch of the other picks they have. To me, filling that roster (which is paper thin) with good players is paramount.
I know the #2 pick doesn't come around often for most teams so it dominates the conversation, but it's not like any of these QBs are regarded in any kind of consensus as can't-miss. Peters can miss at #2 and still have a franchise-boosting draft.
Final wish list:Final wish list:
1- McCarthy
2- Maye
3- RG4
Final wish list:Final wish list:
1- McCarthy
2- Maye
3- RG4
1. Daniels
2. Heath Shuler
3. Maye
4. All 5 of the picks in rounds 1-3 are good enough to be starters by the season opener
5. not trading two #1 draft picks for Chad Johnson
They should just GIVE us Aiyuk after we gave them the best LT in football for peanutsI'd really like some draft-day bizarre trade end up with Brandon Aiyuk on the Commanders roster.