Darren Urban @Cardschatter
Offense has a tough final period but the last play is a Hundley-to-KeeSean Johnson 65-yard TD on 4th-n-9 as Cardinals practiced late-game-trailing situations.
Mike Jurecki of the Cardinals' official website reports sixth-round WR KeeSean Johnson has "continued to shine" through the first week of training camp.
ESPN's Josh Weinfuss has passed along similar observations and even predicted Johnson will open as the No. 3 receiver behind Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk. Johnson was drafted behind both Andy Isabella and Hakeem Butler, but there's been no question Johnson has been the better player in practice to this point. GM Steve Keim labeled Johnson one of the best route-runners in the 2019 class. He slipped in the draft due to a slow 4.6 forty time. Johnson is putting himself on the radar in coach Kliff Kingsbury's pass-happy Air Raid attack.
SOURCE: Mike Jurecki on Twitter
Jul 30, 2019, 9:15 PM ET
Yeah that's great for redraft leagues but I think the majority of the discussion here is centering around his long-term, dynasty value. Kirk is a nice #2 and Fitz only has so much left in the tank.Raptors409 said:Gotta put my foot down on this one. If everyone is a sleeper in Arizona, then nobody is a sleeper.
I got Fitz and Kirk penciled in for 1,700 yards combined. Give 450 to the TEs and 450 more to the RBs.
Leaves 2,000 remaining for everyone else on the team. Which gives the rookies a ceiling of about 450-700 yards depending on how the luck breaks.
Would rather watch these guys audition for life without Fitzgerald for a year before wasting a roster spot on the majority of them. As in, trade for the guy you like most after this season. Since none of these guys are going to win you a championship.
Only exception is Butler who with that size could catch 8-10 touchdowns.
I personally think Kirk can be a WR #1. Prorate his yards 49 yards per game over 16 games and it puts him at 786 yards.Yeah that's great for redraft leagues but I think the majority of the discussion here is centering around his long-term, dynasty value. Kirk is a nice #2 and Fitz only has so much left in the tank.
Shrug.
Often enough that it's worth rostering them in deeper leagues IMO.How often do training camp stars actually become something? Only reason I ask is because there were raves about Taywan Taylor, Tajae Sharpe, Cordarelle Patterson, to name a few as well. This screams that same kind of situation to me.
I kind of liked KeeSean Johnson as a pre-draft guy, but draft pedigree says that he'll get pushed aside rather quickly by any number of guys, at least eventually.
The truth is, you have a point. But I only have one guy from Cardinals, and I'm not a big fan of Kirk. So if there's a new qb and he trusts a new guy from the draft, there's always a good chance you might have something. At least it's worth a shot if you're not paying too much... and I'm talking dynasty!Raptors409 said:Gotta put my foot down on this one. If everyone is a sleeper in Arizona, then nobody is a sleeper.
I got Fitz and Kirk penciled in for 1,700 yards combined. Give 450 to the TEs and 450 more to the RBs.
Leaves 2,000 remaining for everyone else on the team. Which gives the rookies a ceiling of about 450-700 yards depending on how the luck breaks.
Would rather watch these guys audition for life without Fitzgerald for a year before wasting a roster spot on the majority of them. As in, trade for the guy you like most after this season. Since none of these guys are going to win you a championship.
Only exception is Butler who with that size could catch 8-10 touchdowns.
this feels exactly right to me as wellForgetting about the TE’s for a second.
Fitz, Kirk, AI, Butler, Johnson, and maybe White will probably be the WR’s. DJ will also catch a ton of balls. That’s a pretty crowded group. As someone else pointed out, Fitz, Kirk, and DJ will most likely dominate touched. The leftovers will be divided among the rest of the guys.
He’s a decent flyer in dynasty, and I’m a sucker for the “good route runners” coming out of college, but to expect much this year is wishful thinking, IMO.
What about Kirk don't you like? He looked pretty darn good last year on the most inept offense with the most inept coach with the most inept QB in the league. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do on an ept offense with a potentially ept coach and a potentially ept QB.The truth is, you have a point. But I only have one guy from Cardinals, and I'm not a big fan of Kirk. So if there's a new qb and he trusts a new guy from the draft, there's always a good chance you might have something. At least it's worth a shot if you're not paying too much... and I'm talking dynasty!
WRs have come out of nowhere before. He's pretty much free in leagues. Why not grab and wait. Antonio Brown, A. Boldin, etc..... all were training camp stars that leapfrogged the expected "starters".
According to Scott Bordow of The Athletic, it's "clear" that Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk and sixth-round rookie KeeSean Johnson are the Cardinals' top three receivers.
The Cardinals listed former first-round pick Kevin White as a starter on their initial depth chart but that listing was probably based on seniority. Johnson appears to be the obvious No. 3 in Arizona with fellow rookies Andy Isabella and Hakeem Butler both working behind him. Isabella has reportedly "dropped too many passes" at camp while Butler has also had issues with "holding onto the ball." Bordow named Fitzgerald, Kirk, Johnson, Isabella and Butler roster "locks," leaving White, Damiere Byrd, Pharoah Cooper and Trent Sherfield to fight it out for the Cardinals' final two wide receiver spots.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Aug 4, 2019, 9:57 AM ET
That seems prudent.Darren Urban @Cardschatter
Offense has a tough final period but the last play is a Hundley-to-KeeSean Johnson 65-yard TD on 4th-n-9 as Cardinals practiced late-game-trailing situations.
True that, I like Kirk, but I was just thinking he was not special in a way that there's no room for some other guy.What about Kirk don't you like? He looked pretty darn good last year on the most inept offense with the most inept coach with the most inept QB in the league. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do on an ept offense with a potentially ept coach and a potentially ept QB.
In dynasty, yes. Basic draft, no.steelers1080 said:Would you take Keesean Johnson over Josh Gordon?
His name reminds me of Keyshawn Johnson.I know nothing about this guy. Who does he remind you of?
he kind reminds me of will smith.I know nothing about this guy. Who does he remind you of?
ESPN's Josh Weinfess believes rookie WR KeeSean Johnson "may have had the best training camp of anyone on the Cardinals' roster, veteran or rookie alike."
Johnson is an "early favorite with the coaching staff" and should see plenty of snaps as a rookie, even with last night's Michael Crabtree signing. The rookie receiver has been a high-end route runner and has maintained better health than the rest of the group, a combination that has made him rise up the depth chart. The Athletic's Scott Bordow projects the top three receivers in Arizona to be Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk, and Johnson with Andy Isabella and Michael Crabtree also in the mix.
SOURCE: ESPN.com
Aug 22, 2019, 9:15 AM ET
The latest depth chart had Crabtree as the WR3 - not sure how that's possible but that's what it says.I don't know, but it seems like both he and Sherfeld are ahead of Isabella. I'm not sure whether Johnson or Sherfeld is the starter alongside Kirk and Fitz.
Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk, and Michael Crabtree were listed as the starters on the Cardinals' depth chart.
That makes rookies KeeSean Johnson and Andy Isabella backups, but we'll see just how much Kliff Kingsbury uses four-receiver sets in the NFL. This preseason, the offense was intentionally very vanilla, though it's worth noting their preference for rotating in their receivers. It's also fair to wonder how much Crabtree has left in the tank as a 32-year-old, but he'll get the first crack at playing meaningful snaps. Crabtree is a WR5 versus the Lions.
It could be a deference to veterans (even though Crabtree is new to the team). I don't see it lasting as Crabtree looked spent last season but if it does it does not speak well for Johnson or Isabella (and I was very high on Isabella all offseason).Wow, that's pretty crazy. Arizona must have really not liked what they saw from their young WRs.