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Jeremy Maclin (1 Viewer)
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-OZ-
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BigSteelThrill
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Decision today.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
per adam schetter maclin just signed with the ravens
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've been trying to move Maclin for two years now. Maybe now someone will be interested. Maybe I'll just keep him. I suppose most people will want to see him produce in Baltimore first before they try to buy him. So many targets available there, though.
need2know
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barackdhouse
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Yeah I wouldn't want to see Decker there either, as a Maclin owner. I don't really think the Ravens still want Decker. We'll see but I'd be surprised if they got them both.
-OZ-
Footballguy
They're different and fairly complimentary. Sounds like mac will play the slot maybe half the time and I suspect get the most targets while wallace continues to be the deep guy.travdogg said:
Maybe I'm just optimistic (and wallace is my wr4) but I think mac actually helps wallace by being the #1 receiver while wallace is more free to run and Flacco is still among the best deep ball passers in the league.
Really Maclin helps the entire offense more than this change helps his ff value imo. Although we should expect a much better year than 2016.
Again, maybe I'm overly optimistic but the Ravens should be a playoff team and might be better than the Steelers now. At the least it got tighter.
Snorkelson
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They added maclin, ergo they are better than the steelers now. That's pretty funny. It's not like maclin will command bracket coverage or double teams all the time, Wallace will be about what he was last year. The rb situation is far from settled, 4 guys that could earn the starting te job but you probably don't want any of them starting, and the defense is middle of the road. Not a bad team, but not a lock for the playoffs by any stretch.
BigSteelThrill
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Better at...
WR?
TE?
RB?
OL?
QB?
K?
DL?
LB?
DB?
we'll see. I'll agree that if you just look at each position separately they don't match up to the Steelers. Like I wrote, it at least got tighter.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I didn't call them a lock for the playoffs (nor did I say they were better), few teams should be considered a "lock". But they weren't that far behind the Steelers last year. They did lose two key pieces so that hurts.
We'll see what happens. I'm not a Ravens fan by any stretch but it's mildly amusing to see Steelers fans respond when you say a team might be better.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
"They should make the playoffs" maybe isn't a lock, but sounds fairly sure of their chances. I'm not a steelers fan, but the idea that they "might" be better than the steelers based on the addition of maclin is laughable. I did take your comments on the more extreme side of what you were actually saying, semantics are a $&"ch. It is a tough division and anything can happen, and anytime a team is as well coached as BAL they will never be down long. The AFC wild cards will have a lot of competition again this year, and I think I like cin and pit better this year than BAL in their division.
I wonder what maclin you'll get. He is coming off a down year and got released, is there a chance kc sees some decline or was is strictly cap related? With maclins experience being with west coast teams will he fit there? I've lost track of the BAL OC after the last couple years.
-OZ-
Footballguy
You're right, my whole comment is contingent on Maclin playing better than 2016. The Chiefs as a contender releasing him is somewhat worrisome. But if he plays up to his ability and 16 was just a bad year, he adds a lot to the Ravens offense. Fwiw, I really like the Ravens new LBs, though they might take a couple years to get up to top tier level. Mosley is a stud.
I might be overlooking Cincy. Maybe instead of "should be" I could have said "have a pretty good chance"? The AFC is tough assuming the west (mostly oak/kc) doesn't fall apart and the south improves. But I like the Ravens chances.
Biabreakable
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Maclin should fit right in with Marty Mornhinwigs current version of the WCO. Marty was Andy Reids OC for a long time with the Eagles, including Maclins early years.
See the thread about single possession losses/wins... per that Cincy should pick up 4 more wins this season... 10-6 seems to be the mean right now for predicting the Bengals finish. Is that a playoff spot? Dunno.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
meh ...steve smith and mike Wallace were barely startable in spots last year.....not that great
BigSteelThrill
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Guy was going to retire the year before. But at 37 he came back from a torn Achilles tendon and had 70 catches in 14 games.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I think Maclin is now lock for 80 catches this season so long as there isnt something physically not okay. A repeat of the 2015 #s seems rather likely.
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The Cincy o-line went from being a strength a few years ago to likely one of the worst in the NFL in 2017. I would take the under on 10 wins.Brisco54 said:
If Baltimore makes no more moves (Decker and/or bring in a TE), then I think 80 catches is definitely within reach and he'll be great value pick, although I don't know what this move is doing to his ADP yet. But if they bring in Decker or Perriman takes a few steps forward in his development then Maclin's upside will be limited.
Dr. Octopus
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I agree that bringing in a guy like Decker would hurt Maclin, but he and Perriman (even with improvement) should be able to coexist. Dont forget they are losing Steve Smith, Dennis Pita and Kamar Aiken's (which werent substantial) targets from last season and Periman would only be adding onto what he had last season.
Depends on what you mean by coexist. I think they brought Maclin in to play on the outside which was Perriman's expected role. Smith only played 13 snaps in week 5, so I'm going to throw that one out and only look at the 13 games in which he was playing. Extrapolating those 13 games to 16 games, Smith would've had 121 targets, Perriman 59, and Aiken 43. So yeah, if Baltimore goes from a 4 man WR rotation to a 3 man rotation then there will be plenty of targets for that 3rd guy. However, even though Aiken got fewer targets, he actually played 23% more snaps than Perriman which indicates to me that there's something about Perriman's game that the coaches don't like. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see Campanaro step in and fill Aiken's role, leaving Perriman with scraps once again. It seems like the team likes Campanaro but he was injured last year.
As for Pitta's targets, I was rooting for the guy, but I'm not sure he can't be replaced with Gillmore and Watson (and Maxx Williams if he's still a thing). It's reasonable to expect some % of his targets to be reallocated to the slot WR, I suppose. Maclin is a capable slot guy, so I'd expect him to move in when Perriman is on the field. If they pay Decker decent money then I'd expect them to play more 3 wide, but no use in speculating unless he actually signs.
But for Maclin, since this is his thread, I think Smith's 7.5 targets per game are his, so if he's going to get 120 targets this year, he's vastly undervalued right now. I expect a similar 120 for Wallace and maybe 65 for Perriman, 50 for Campanaro (or another slot WR to be named later), and 100 to Pitta's TEBC replacement.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Wise Old Owl
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Perriman was essentially a rookie last year, and the opinion on him going into the draft was that he was raw. I don't think them easing him into the rotation means the coaches are unhappy with him.FF Ninja said:
I'd love to see Camp step up but he's never going to stay healthy. I think this is a team with a mostly 3 man rotation Maclin, Wallace, Perriman that rotates Chris Moore in occasionally. They are also going to have Woodhead and the TEs heavily involved in the passing game. There is no way Flacco leads the league in passing attempts again next year as well, so I'd dial back all those projections
Excuses can be made for why Perriman wasn't able to beat out Aiken for snaps, but I wouldn't be so quick to bite if I was you. A first round rookie should be able to be a team's 3rd WR. That's not asking a lot. Even in the olden days when 3rd year WR theory was a thing, a 1st round pick typically was a team's WR3 as a rookie, WR2 as a sophomore, and WR1 in year 3. Perriman wasn't an incredibly young prospect (wasn't old, either) and he had a year to learn and he still couldn't beat out a guy the team let walk in free agency. I'm not saying it's a death knell for his career, but it doesn't paint the picture of a guy who is going to assume a prominent role the following season. So I'm hesitant to agree with any prediction of this being purely a 3 WR rotation.
I'm obviously just reading tea leaves, but so is everyone else. I'm just doing it from an unbiased standpoint, for what that's worth.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I know this is a Maclin thread and we are drifting off point but Perriman did have more targets last year than Aiken, and very much looked the part of the WR3, and even was in on many 2 WR sets after Smith's injury. Aiken's targets fell from around 127 in 2015 to 32 in 2016 so I think there is some evidence that Perriman "beat him out" for that WR3 spot.
According this to this link, while Aiken did have 110 more total snaps, 163 of his total snaps were special teams, which Perriman didn't play at all. So in actual offensive plays, Perriman was more involved.
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Sorry, but your data is wrong. Have a look here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts
Aiken played 758 total snaps, 595 offensive snaps. Perriman played 484 total snaps, 484 offensive snaps.
So Perriman may have looked good on a few highlights, but he didn't look the part of a WR3 in practice or on the coach's tape or he'd have been playing WR3 snaps. I just said something similar in the Parker thread, but in fantasy football we're forced to make decisions before we have all the necessary data to make a definitive conclusion. There isn't enough damning evidence against Perriman to say he'll never be good, but using the data available to me, I'm thinking there are better bets out there. If I owned him in dynasty, I'd be selling to any believer I could find and I certainly won't be drafting him in redraft.
And yeah, we're drifting off topic, but this is a dead part of the offseason. I doubt anyone really minds too much.
BigSteelThrill
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I've got him placed at over 5 catches per game currently. As they lost almost 14 catches per game from their line-up of a year ago.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
They need a player(s) who can run the east-west routes. Wallace, Perriman and even Watson are all north-south types. And Woodman is a part-timer.
Flacco was 2nd in the NFL in completed passes with 436 (27.25/gm). He missed some games in 2015, but in 2014 he only had 344 completions (21.5/gm). Like someone else mentioned, it might be good to dial back projections that were based on last year.
But I agree with Oz... 80 is a fair estimate. I'm guessing 120 targets x 62% = 75 rec.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think I am starting him against the Packers this week over Corey Davis, Keenan Allen and Sammy Watkins. I just love that Packers match-up, they have been getting torched.
Milkman
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