georg013
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Time to face the music. Time is winning.
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Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)
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jurb26
Footballguy
Not a lot of targets because Det controlled most of the game. He made a great TD catch and dropped a pass that could have netted another 20 yards or so.
CalBear
Footballguy
Stafford missed him on potential TD passes twice; under pressure both times, but Johnson was open.
This. A little more range on Stafford's endzone targets of Calvin and he has back to back three TD games.
Frustrating as a Calvin owner in a playoff battle, but far from a loss to father time.
zamboni
Footballguy
Seems like Calvin doesn't get as much separation as he used to, although that happens to every receiver as they head towards the back end of their careers.
That said, with his size, range and my ball mentality, he'll always be a force when Stafford lofts it downfield or in the end zone.
That said, with his size, range and my ball mentality, he'll always be a force when Stafford lofts it downfield or in the end zone.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah, I mean the guy is 30 years old. I'm surprised he's not hooked up to some machine to keep him alive at this point.
Did you see that TD catch? He looked like my Grandpa during our Thanksgiving Day backyard game. He's so old and terrible.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Lol, I was on the sell Calvin band wagon last year, but the time to sell high is gone. He will still be a mid to low receiver 1 for the rest of this year and next, assuming he is still with the Lions.
lod01
Footballguy
"My understanding is, at this point, it is something Calvin Johnson would not be inclined to do," NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.
Oh yeah baby, cut him loose. Then he can sign with a team that will get him the ball. If he had the right QB and OC, he would dominate again as long as he doesn't end up hurt. Crabtree leaves Oakland. Calvin arrives. They got cash. He's smart enough to ignore a call from Jeff Fisher or Cleveland among other losers.
georg013
Footballguy
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Wow. Stafford passes 46 times and Calvin only gets 1 catch on 5 targets. I didn't watch the game, but would not be shocked to hear his ankle is a bigger issue than what is known
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I think I speak for everyone in this thread when I say #### you Calvin, Stafford, and the Detroit OC.
Most pathetic performance ever.
Most pathetic performance ever.
lod01
Footballguy
Stafford is horrible. Totally missed Calvin down the middle for a huge gain if not TD.
trader jake
Footballguy
This happens every week. Sometimes more than once.
lod01
Footballguy
You forgot the ballless HC. Looked like the typical Lions O all year. Like they found Dumbardi's playbook and used it.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If there was a real injury issue here, he would've just shut it down for the day, maybe season.
He just looked like he didnt care today (I flipped game on a little starting in the late 2nd due to his ####ty stat line), and honestly I can't blame him. Stafford sucks, the Lions suck, and he is just emotionally drained and doesn't give a ####.
Never seen him looking like this.
lod01
Footballguy
Can't wait for Calvin to escape. As far as separation (mentioned earlier). Not needed. Slow as molasses Colston scored 2 RDs on the Bucs this week. Calvin is faster than Brandon Marshall and he just took one 70 yards for a TD. Separation and age are certainly no the problem. Crappy coaching and QB are.
georg013
Footballguy
And the excuses start mounting. Guys, I used to own Calvin and was his biggest supporter. So this is not coming from a place of hate. Watch old Calvin footage then watch current Calvin footage. See the difference. Its noticeable. The old man is declining.
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Of course he's lost a step. He went from being the best WR in the known universe to merely one of the best. Nobody is denying that. The problems this year is how awful the offense is and some weird idea of using him as a decoy.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Calvin will find his fountain of youth next week vs. Saints.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
So assuming you're still alive next week--what then? I was salivating at the NO matchup. Not so much now...
lod01
Footballguy
Calvin losing a step means zero. 6'5" 238. Currently faster than Brandon Marshall and his 1000 k 10 TD season.
I have all the old footage. The difference is this coaching staff will not throw it up to him and let him make a play on the ball. Shaun Hill used to throw it into triple coverage and Calvin would go up and get it.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Pretty much worthless until he leaves this team. His QB and the coaching staff are pure garbage.
georg013
Footballguy
Perhaps the Lions know something we dont? Nah. Caldwell is the worst coach in the history of coaching but still, losing a step does make a difference. Especially for a guy who used to be an advantage. Now he is just a guy.
cmv5
Footballguy
This really isn't about him losing a step. Yes, every wide receiver will lose a step but even at 35, Calvin will be faster than Larry Fitzgerald and Mike Evans in their prime.
The O line and conservative play calling does this team in. Don't let the one Eagles game fool you. This offense and offensive line is bad. When they face a strong defensive line like the Rams the weaknesses are blatantly obvious.
lod01
Footballguy
Factor in the wuss effect of Caldwell and you see what the results are. Stafford would roll out sometimes giving Calvin the time to haul ### down the field and he would launch it up to him. Shaun Hill would do the same and even throw into triple coverage. They let Calvin make the play. This suckass coaching staff is full of losers incapable of even looking at old film to see how it was done before them came in and made it worse. I have yet to see an attempt like that this season except in desperation time. Forget it in the 1st or 2nd Q. They are too busy letting the defense dictate what they can do. #### you, you worthless pile of ####, loser Caldwell.
Shutout
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. Andre Johnson (until he went to the Colts), despite being on a team with a poor QB, still managed to use his big body to be legit WR. Calvin can do more than AJ could at that stage of their respective careers.
Personally, I feel like I saw this exact same movie last year. Little injuries to knee, ankle, back —maybe not fully disclosed—lot of speculation if it might be more than advertised and if he is playing decoy.
Shutout
Footballguy
THis is a clear sign of POOR coaching and an inability to adjust in the game (I'll pause while the shock wears off from readers as they find this impossible to believe from a Caldwell -coached team).
They "prepare" every week, assuming teams will completely over commit to defending Calvin and they build everything they have into going the other way and then they can't conceive of ways to adjust to that in-game and so they beat their heads into the proverbial wall and it shows as it exposes how bad they look running into opponent's strengths and failing to take advantage of their own strength in a plus matchup situation.
Shutout
Footballguy
I can follow the logic of your thoughts but I think you are going to have a hard time convincing many people that this is on Calvin when we all look around the league and see FAR lesser talents being very viable on teams and the main differences are that those teams simply don't mind feeding their studs.
Calvin might be 80% of what he was but that means he's still more capable than 8 out of every 10 WRs in the league. It is simply too hard to look around the league and see guys like Ted Ginn, Jr and Michael Crabtree FEASTING and not think "If only this guy were being utilized.
We will never know and I might be talking out my head but if Calvin was on the Raiders right now, I'd say he is a 100+/1400/10TD guy without blinking.
Shutout
Footballguy
All this is true but want to add the Rams were missing three key defenders and the Lions STILL couldn't figure it out. That's on the coaches, not Calvin.
lod01
Footballguy
It's repeated over and over virtually every week. They ignore him until it is desperation time. Then they use him to try a frantic feeble comeback. This past week was one of the worst displays in his career. They simply let the other team dictate what they can do. Once that idiot Caldwell said that, he should have been fired. The clown is living proof that anyone on the planet can stand on the sidelines and pretend to be an NFL head coach.
lod01
Footballguy
That is where I was hoping he would go but slow as molasses Crabtree...a far lesser WR..... wisely signed a new deal.
lod01
Footballguy
No. You really have to watch this team play to understand how bad the coaching is. They have taken Herm Edwards style losing to a whole new level. They have absolutely no interest in scoring tons of points. If they can get up 2 TDs, Calvin (and scoring again) is out of the gameplan......right now he's not even in it.
And really, Matt Stafford totally sucks. Every pass is 100 miles an hour on a rope.....and usually high.
YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
Guys... the Eagles game was an aberration. He was matched up against a rookie CB that was given no safety help. It wasn't like Calvin was getting big time separation. That just happened to be one of Staffords few games of his career that he was throwing the ball into tight windows and letting Calvin go up and get it. The guy is no longer elite. It's clear as day.
Shutout
Footballguy
And to think, Calvin could have been a Raider all along and they took (?Jamarcus Russell?, was it?) instead.
Of course, that would have changed too many things to say it would come back to where we are now, but, seriously, if he could find his way out to San Diego this off-season, that would be nice. I'm not a Chargers fan, per se, but I know Phillip Rivers has the balls to put that bad boy to work.
lod01
Footballguy
He's the only thing elite on the team. The rest are on par with the philly rookie CB.
lod01
Footballguy
Was looking at potential landing spots and a lot really suck. That one would be gold. He made an average big guy like Floyd a better player. They could use him and ####can stevie Johnson. Unfortunately for him, he would be on a really bad team.
I like the Redskins as a team to make the play for Calvin.
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Shutout
Footballguy
Sorry, can't buy that. THat's like saying Dez Bryant suddenly sucks. I have seen FAR TOO MUCH horrendous QB play and coaching in the NFL this year not to know how to spot a trend. There are about 14-15 TEAMS in the NFL right now that have piss poor QBs and/or coaching and they are getting walked around the park on a leash on a weekly basis by teams that know what they are doing.
lod01
Footballguy
Exactly. The team is too busy throwing dumpoff passes to the crappy RBs and TEs on 3rd and forever (that they are usually in) than using their best player. They do nothing to get him the ball.
lod01
Footballguy
Only thing we can hope is that the Detroit staff has the same analysis as you and they cut him loose.
I will say that there have been WRs that put up big numbers and fell off before 30. Michael Jackson was one. But Jackson is no Calvin Johnson.
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Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Detroit staff won't have that analysis but maybe we should get in touch with Martha Ford. She's got the balls to make to call.
lod01
Footballguy
She needs to have the balls to say, 'I'm paying this guy $20 million a year for 1 catch for 16 yards?', 'If you losers do not throw the ball to him 15 times a game going forward you are fired when the clock hits zero.' 'The stats show that 8 catches by Calvin Johnson wins games and you #######s can't even throw it to him 8 times a game, let alone complete 8 passes to him.' 'How come you morons don't know that stat?'
chad in Indy
Footballguy
anybody have the balls to bench him this week despite playing the Saints? If so, for who?
I've got OBJ and Decker slotted to play, but could bench Calvin and roll 3 RB's instead (Hightower, Shoelace, West). Doubt I do it, but the O-line doesn't afford Stafford any time to throw the ball 15 yds down field, and the coaching staff won't alter his routes to quicker short hitters.
Anybody else kicking ideas around?
I've got OBJ and Decker slotted to play, but could bench Calvin and roll 3 RB's instead (Hightower, Shoelace, West). Doubt I do it, but the O-line doesn't afford Stafford any time to throw the ball 15 yds down field, and the coaching staff won't alter his routes to quicker short hitters.
Anybody else kicking ideas around?
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I'm starting Antonio and ARob at WR and deciding between Calvin and Hilton for flex. Or I could go with 3 of Forte, Hightower, Shoelace or West instead.
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