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Antone Smith Hype Train (2 Viewers)

Tango said:
The object of the game is to score touchdowns. I dont care if he is 3'5" and 100 pounds, he seems to be good at getting the ball in the end zone from anywhere on the field and has been doing it for nearly a year now.
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I'm just as perplexed as the rest of you. I looked at his height and weight, and he's very comparable to Andre Ellington in terms of these measurables. It does seem like it will take an injury to Steven Jackson to even have a shot at any meaningful playing time, so he's worth keeping on speed dial in re-draft leagues and probably already owned in dynasty leagues with mid-to-large sized rosters.

 
Tango said:
buck naked said:
The object is to actually BE on the field to score TDs. His opportunity is far too limited right now.
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HA, no.......

I mean if I were Mike Smith I'd be partial to a guy who puts the oblong ball over the goal-line...not if I were Joe Fantasy Owner.

I gotta wonder what it's like to be Antone. All he does is turn little runs and screens into 60 yard touchdowns, yet everybody tells him he's not big enough or whatever.
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:bye:

 
Quietly picked him up this week for one of my dynasty clubs....quietly sitting on my bench too. But there is something brewing in Atlanta.

A SJax injury away from some serious PT.

 
Dude is electric. I drafted Freeman in the 9th round because I was so confident SJax would go down soon and then I saw Smith and came to my senses. I'm leaving Antone on the ww but when SJax gets hurt I'm there.

 
Tango said:
Tango said:
buck naked said:
The object is to actually BE on the field to score TDs. His opportunity is far too limited right now.
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HA, no.......

I mean if I were Mike Smith I'd be partial to a guy who puts the oblong ball over the goal-line...not if I were Joe Fantasy Owner.

I gotta wonder what it's like to be Antone. All he does is turn little runs and screens into 60 yard touchdowns, yet everybody tells him he's not big enough or whatever.
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:bye:
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I don't recall anyone touching the ball as effectively as he has in recent years?

Must be nice feeling to be as good as he is, but the coach is keeping you in a leash.

Not saying he can keep it up with more carries and receptions, but if I were a coach I would sure give him the ball more just see where it goes.

 
To the outsider, it doesn’t make sense that Falcons running back Antone Smith gets so few touches.

Smith has scored every 4.3 times he touches the ball this season. His five career touchdowns have averaged 45.6 yards. He’s averaging 14.8 yards each time on touches this season with touchdowns of 38, 48 and 54 yards. For his career, Smith is averaging 16.4 yards per touch.

:eek:

Yet Smith’s 13 touches rank fourth on the team among running backs behind Steven Jackson (54 touches averaging 4.1 yards with one touchdown), Jacquizz Rodgers (23 touches, 4.5 yards, one TD) and Devonta Freeman (22 touches, 4.3 yards, no TDs).

So the question was put to Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter: How many touches should Smith be getting?

His answer:

“That’s a great question. I wish I had a great answer to give you. We’ve been saying all along, we are deep at tailback. It’s probably our deepest position on offense. We have four guys we feel good about. We are always trying to work in touches for those guys. We ran 64 plays last week (at Minnesota). When there is 64 plays, who are you taking touches away from? There’s other guys that aren’t getting very many touches. One thing about Antone, when he gets his touches he’s making the most of them. He played well at Minnesota. Guys earn their touches and he’s doing a good job. You can make a great argument that he deserves more.”
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Thanks a ton, Dirk. You've been helpful. :rolleyes:

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2014/09/30/falcons-oc-koetter-says-great-argument-a-smith-deserves-more-touches/

 
This is absurd. They should be using this guy more in conjunction with SJax. Run SJax up the middle to wear down defenders, run this guy to the perimeter to score you some touchdowns (because that's seemingly all he does). Quizz is extremely underwhelming and Freeman just isn't ready.

 
SoBeDad said:
Raider Nation said:
He is cartoonish-explosive. Boggles the mind why they wouldn't want to see what he could do with 20 touches.
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Let's not get carried away. His preseason stats haven't been that impressive and he's not supposed to be a great receiver. At FSU he was good but not great. But he is track fast.
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Yeah, those preseason stats are far more relevant than what he's doing in the regular season.

 
Raider Nation said:
SoBeDad said:
Raider Nation said:
He is cartoonish-explosive. Boggles the mind why they wouldn't want to see what he could do with 20 touches.
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Let's not get carried away. His preseason stats haven't been that impressive and he's not supposed to be a great receiver. At FSU he was good but not great. But he is track fast.
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Yeah, those preseason stats are far more relevant than what he's doing in the regular season.
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Even despite those numbers on tape he looked like their most explosive back in pre-season as well, just a big play waiting to happen.

 
Raider Nation said:
To the outsider, it doesn’t make sense that Falcons running back Antone Smith gets so few touches.

Smith has scored every 4.3 times he touches the ball this season. His five career touchdowns have averaged 45.6 yards. He’s averaging 14.8 yards each time on touches this season with touchdowns of 38, 48 and 54 yards. For his career, Smith is averaging 16.4 yards per touch.

:eek:

Yet Smith’s 13 touches rank fourth on the team among running backs behind Steven Jackson (54 touches averaging 4.1 yards with one touchdown), Jacquizz Rodgers (23 touches, 4.5 yards, one TD) and Devonta Freeman (22 touches, 4.3 yards, no TDs).

So the question was put to Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter: How many touches should Smith be getting?

His answer:

“That’s a great question. I wish I had a great answer to give you. We’ve been saying all along, we are deep at tailback. It’s probably our deepest position on offense. We have four guys we feel good about. We are always trying to work in touches for those guys. We ran 64 plays last week (at Minnesota). When there is 64 plays, who are you taking touches away from? There’s other guys that aren’t getting very many touches. One thing about Antone, when he gets his touches he’s making the most of them. He played well at Minnesota. Guys earn their touches and he’s doing a good job. You can make a great argument that he deserves more.”
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Thanks a ton, Dirk. You've been helpful. :rolleyes:

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2014/09/30/falcons-oc-koetter-says-great-argument-a-smith-deserves-more-touches/
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Agree it's crazy frustrating that Smith isn't getting more given that he's clearly earned it. But Koetter is telling it straight -- they are ridiculously deep at the RB position, and given that depth it is hard to give one guy 20 touches when any of them (including Jackson) could break off on any given play.

Not saying it's right, but it is what it is -- an RBBC x 4.

 
"One thing about Antone, when he gets his touches he's making the most of them"

Isn't that the only thing that matters? Why for Antone is it just "one thing". Just imagine if Antone was getting a TD on every carry, he'd still be getting the same amount of touches based on the logic that they are deep at RB and there are only so many touches to go around and if they gave Antone more touches (and TDs) other guys would get less touches. At some point winning games has to become more important than touches for everyone.

 
So what's this guy's story? Why hasn't he gotten a chance to play until now? Was he recently bitten by a radioactive spider?

 
Interestingly enough, while Smith's tread on the tires is obviously a fraction of Jackson's, Antone is only two years younger than S-Jax.

Worth noting for dynasty purposes when Jackson departs.

 
zamboni said:
Interestingly enough, while Smith's tread on the tires is obviously a fraction of Jackson's, Antone is only two years younger than S-Jax.

Worth noting for dynasty purposes when Jackson departs.
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For dynasty purposes the only thing that matters to me is if he can still produce decently with increased touches. In two years, I might have traded my whole team away and traded half of them back.

 
He is a niche player, signed on for special teams duty. He is a specialist, not good in pass protection so it will be tough to get him a lot more snaps, but with his explosiveness, I would have to find a way. Ridiculous numbers. Also doesn't help that the Falcons O-line has now been completely blown up. But he will probably be given more opportunities, but it won't be drastic.

 
Zaphod said:
zamboni said:
Interestingly enough, while Smith's tread on the tires is obviously a fraction of Jackson's, Antone is only two years younger than S-Jax.

Worth noting for dynasty purposes when Jackson departs.
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For dynasty purposes the only thing that matters to me is if he can still produce decently with increased touches. In two years, I might have traded my whole team away and traded half of them back.
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The point is that since Smith is already age 29, I doubt that he would be made the main guy next year assuming SJax is shown the door. It may not be Freeman either, but Smith is no spring chicken that stands to be the heir apparent.

 
SoBeDad said:
Raider Nation said:
He is cartoonish-explosive. Boggles the mind why they wouldn't want to see what he could do with 20 touches.
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Let's not get carried away. His preseason stats haven't been that impressive and he's not supposed to be a great receiver. At FSU he was good but not great. But he is track fast.
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Preseason and fsu?? Who cares about what he does in fake football games and what he did in college? He is tearing up the nfl right here right now on limited touches in meaningful parts of games.

 
Stompin said:
Raider Nation said:
To the outsider, it doesn’t make sense that Falcons running back Antone Smith gets so few touches.

Smith has scored every 4.3 times he touches the ball this season. His five career touchdowns have averaged 45.6 yards. He’s averaging 14.8 yards each time on touches this season with touchdowns of 38, 48 and 54 yards. For his career, Smith is averaging 16.4 yards per touch.

:eek:

Yet Smith’s 13 touches rank fourth on the team among running backs behind Steven Jackson (54 touches averaging 4.1 yards with one touchdown), Jacquizz Rodgers (23 touches, 4.5 yards, one TD) and Devonta Freeman (22 touches, 4.3 yards, no TDs).

So the question was put to Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter: How many touches should Smith be getting?

His answer:

“That’s a great question. I wish I had a great answer to give you. We’ve been saying all along, we are deep at tailback. It’s probably our deepest position on offense. We have four guys we feel good about. We are always trying to work in touches for those guys. We ran 64 plays last week (at Minnesota). When there is 64 plays, who are you taking touches away from? There’s other guys that aren’t getting very many touches. One thing about Antone, when he gets his touches he’s making the most of them. He played well at Minnesota. Guys earn their touches and he’s doing a good job. You can make a great argument that he deserves more.”
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Thanks a ton, Dirk. You've been helpful. :rolleyes:

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2014/09/30/falcons-oc-koetter-says-great-argument-a-smith-deserves-more-touches/
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Agree it's crazy frustrating that Smith isn't getting more given that he's clearly earned it. But Koetter is telling it straight -- they are ridiculously deep at the RB position, and given that depth it is hard to give one guy 20 touches when any of them (including Jackson) could break off on any given play.

Not saying it's right, but it is what it is -- an RBBC x 4.
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IMO, Jackson is old and done, Rogers is awful and Freeman hasn't shown anything yet. Looks to me like Smith is the best runner they have by far.

 
zamboni said:
Zaphod said:
zamboni said:
Interestingly enough, while Smith's tread on the tires is obviously a fraction of Jackson's, Antone is only two years younger than S-Jax.

Worth noting for dynasty purposes when Jackson departs.
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For dynasty purposes the only thing that matters to me is if he can still produce decently with increased touches. In two years, I might have traded my whole team away and traded half of them back.
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The point is that since Smith is already age 29, I doubt that he would be made the main guy next year assuming SJax is shown the door. It may not be Freeman either, but Smith is no spring chicken that stands to be the heir apparent.
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I came to this thread to make this point because I just learned he was actually 29 AFTER I picked him up in a dynasty league a few weeks ago. I was shocked because his burst and pogo stick legs do not suggest he's slowing down any time soon. Perhaps he'll just be a Fred Jackson late bloomer type and keep on trucking with that low odometer he's got going for him.

 
Stompin said:
Raider Nation said:
To the outsider, it doesn’t make sense that Falcons running back Antone Smith gets so few touches.

Smith has scored every 4.3 times he touches the ball this season. His five career touchdowns have averaged 45.6 yards. He’s averaging 14.8 yards each time on touches this season with touchdowns of 38, 48 and 54 yards. For his career, Smith is averaging 16.4 yards per touch.

:eek:

Yet Smith’s 13 touches rank fourth on the team among running backs behind Steven Jackson (54 touches averaging 4.1 yards with one touchdown), Jacquizz Rodgers (23 touches, 4.5 yards, one TD) and Devonta Freeman (22 touches, 4.3 yards, no TDs).

So the question was put to Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter: How many touches should Smith be getting?

His answer:

“That’s a great question. I wish I had a great answer to give you. We’ve been saying all along, we are deep at tailback. It’s probably our deepest position on offense. We have four guys we feel good about. We are always trying to work in touches for those guys. We ran 64 plays last week (at Minnesota). When there is 64 plays, who are you taking touches away from? There’s other guys that aren’t getting very many touches. One thing about Antone, when he gets his touches he’s making the most of them. He played well at Minnesota. Guys earn their touches and he’s doing a good job. You can make a great argument that he deserves more.”
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Thanks a ton, Dirk. You've been helpful. :rolleyes:

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2014/09/30/falcons-oc-koetter-says-great-argument-a-smith-deserves-more-touches/
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Agree it's crazy frustrating that Smith isn't getting more given that he's clearly earned it. But Koetter is telling it straight -- they are ridiculously deep at the RB position, and given that depth it is hard to give one guy 20 touches when any of them (including Jackson) could break off on any given play.

Not saying it's right, but it is what it is -- an RBBC x 4.
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I don't quite get this 'deep at the RB position' spin. How are JaQuizz Rodgers and Devonta Freeman part of a deep RB position? Freeman's averaging 2.3 ypc on his 15 carries with a longest of 10 yds and no TD's and JaQuizz is at best extremely mediocre and mainly just a passing down option. Between SJax, JaQuizz and Freeman they have a total of 2 rushing TD's and an avg of 3.67 ypc. Without Antone's output they would be ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league.

 
I wonder if people in this thread seriously thinks Smith would average 8 ypc and 36 td's if he started?

The reason Smith doesn't start is his blocking. It's not exactly his specialty. He's a gamebreaker type back. Yes, I would like to see him get a few more carries, but there is no way he is an every down back. He's good as a change of pace, that's it.

 
NFL coaches obviously either see or don't see something in him that isn't apparent looking in from the outside.

For all intents and purposes, he looks like a 29 year old Ellington to me. At least over his last 15 carries.

There's something going on that's keeping him from getting more work, but I can't imagine his lack of blocking skills has limited him to 15 touches in the last 20 games. Not as productive as he has been. There's something else going on that we're not aware of. As explosive as he is, even in a CoP role they'd be feeding him more than they are otherwise.

 
Dirtybird said:
I wonder if people in this thread seriously thinks Smith would average 8 ypc and 36 td's if he started?

The reason Smith doesn't start is his blocking. It's not exactly his specialty. He's a gamebreaker type back. Yes, I would like to see him get a few more carries, but there is no way he is an every down back. He's good as a change of pace, that's it.
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A darn good one. There's many of them in the league who get more snaps than Antonio and they don't even deserve them.

 
No one is saying smith should touch the ball 20 times a game, that's just ####### silly he's 5'9, 190 and would likely be a huge liability in pass pro. What would make sense, however, would be for him to average more than 3-4 touches a games. He can get away with 10-12 easy.

 
So this is just getting to be a joke that he only touches the ball 3x a game but scores once. They have to start playing him more, right? Right? RIGHT?!

I'm making him my #1 claim as I see him as a great flex play with big RB1 upside for 2-3 games ROY.

 
I would not waste my time with Antone. Running ability is there but deficiencies in the total package will limit trustworthiness of the coaches whose seats are getting toasty in ATL. Much like the WR corps with Hester, assuming health Smith faces one of the most crowded position groups in the league. Ryan-led offense will be pass-heavy into eternity, and the line is injury ridden. Jax, quizz and freeman are all coach friendly players due to pass pro ability and versatility.

Did I mention Smith is old and has been playing in front of Falcons coaches for 5 years prior to 2014?

buy low on freeman (dynasty) is the only move I'd really consider worthwhile with regard to ATL backfield

 
fredsavage said:
I would not waste my time with Antone. Running ability is there but deficiencies in the total package will limit trustworthiness of the coaches whose seats are getting toasty in ATL. Much like the WR corps with Hester, assuming health Smith faces one of the most crowded position groups in the league. Ryan-led offense will be pass-heavy into eternity, and the line is injury ridden. Jax, quizz and freeman are all coach friendly players due to pass pro ability and versatility.

Did I mention Smith is old and has been playing in front of Falcons coaches for 5 years prior to 2014?

buy low on freeman (dynasty) is the only move I'd really consider worthwhile with regard to ATL backfield
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Quizz Rodgers has been playing in front of the coaches too.
 
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