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an impartial grading of recent draft history (1 Viewer)
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Tau837
Footballguy
The grading system doesn't seem consistent. For example, both Pittsburgh and San Diego are given A grades. Compare them:
Pittsburgh:
Picks 45
First-round picks: 6
Starters: 9
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: A
San Diego:
Picks: 46
First-round picks: 7
Starters: 15
Pro Bowlers: 6
Grade: A
Hard to see them getting the same grade given the disparity in starters and Pro Bowlers. Interesting article, though.
Pittsburgh:
Picks 45
First-round picks: 6
Starters: 9
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: A
San Diego:
Picks: 46
First-round picks: 7
Starters: 15
Pro Bowlers: 6
Grade: A
Hard to see them getting the same grade given the disparity in starters and Pro Bowlers. Interesting article, though.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
MINNESOTA: The Vikings have had some busts like receiver Troy Williamson and some bad luck like cancer-stricken Kenechi Udeze. But they have struck gold with running back Adrian Peterson and defensive tackle Kevin Williams, two of the best players at their position in the NFL. Last year's draft was pretty much a bust, but there are also some good young players like linebacker Chad Greenway and receiver Sidney Rice.
Picks: 41
First-round picks: 6
Starters: 13
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: B-
Picks: 41
First-round picks: 6
Starters: 13
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: B-
Avery
Footballguy
Seems to be he's listing the "stats" of the picks but also looking beyond the stats with just how good the picks and the individual players are.The grading system doesn't seem consistent. For example, both Pittsburgh and San Diego are given A grades. Compare themittsburgh
Tau837
Footballguy
Yes, and he shows that San Diego has 6 more starters and 4 more Pro Bowlers. How does that equate to the same grade?Seems to be he's listing the "stats" of the picks but also looking beyond the stats with just how good the picks and the individual players are.The grading system doesn't seem consistent. For example, both Pittsburgh and San Diego are given A grades. Compare them
FUBAR
Footballguy
Polomalu counts as 5 great picks?
-baller
Footballguy
looks like san diego and pittsburgh have been the best in the league at drafting.
Tau837
Footballguy
New England got an A+, having drafted 17 starters and 5 Pro Bowlers.
-baller
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I like the way he downgrades Phil Savages drafts based upon the new regimes take on things. I wonder if it occured to him that Mangini and Kokinis are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. I mean who should have Savage taken in the 2005 draft besides Edwards. The other WR candidates taken early were Troy Williamson, Big Mike Williams and Matt Jones.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So what would you grade the Vikes? Pitt and SD have both been to the AFC Championship game and Pittsburgh also has 2 SB trophie over the last 4-5 years...what grade can you really give the Vikes Donny?MINNESOTA: The Vikings have had some busts like receiver Troy Williamson and some bad luck like cancer-stricken Kenechi Udeze. But they have struck gold with running back Adrian Peterson and defensive tackle Kevin Williams, two of the best players at their position in the NFL. Last year's draft was pretty much a bust, but there are also some good young players like linebacker Chad Greenway and receiver Sidney Rice.
Picks: 41
First-round picks: 6
Starters: 13
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: B-
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am just saying give up a 1st and two 3rds for Jared Allen should count for something.So what would you grade the Vikes? Pitt and SD have both been to the AFC Championship game and Pittsburgh also has 2 SB trophie over the last 4-5 years...what grade can you really give the Vikes Donny?MINNESOTA: The Vikings have had some busts like receiver Troy Williamson and some bad luck like cancer-stricken Kenechi Udeze. But they have struck gold with running back Adrian Peterson and defensive tackle Kevin Williams, two of the best players at their position in the NFL. Last year's draft was pretty much a bust, but there are also some good young players like linebacker Chad Greenway and receiver Sidney Rice.
Picks: 41
First-round picks: 6
Starters: 13
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: B-
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm quick to criticize your take on your own team...but this post is terrific. I think Mangini is making disastrous mistakes and Cleveland fans should be up in arms. You build around guys like KW II, Braylon, Quinn, those are the guys you believed in during the draft...they are perhaps only a few weeks from dismantling everything that teams work so hard to find. both Edwards and Winslow were top5-top10 picks, both have had at least 1 outstanding season in their 1st 4 years in the league and no they want to trade them as they enter their prime? Mangini is nuts and while I defended him New York, he is looking like jack ### in Cleveland. I feel bad for the Browns fans.I like the way he downgrades Phil Savages drafts based upon the new regimes take on things. I wonder if it occured to him that Mangini and Kokinis are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. I mean who should have Savage taken in the 2005 draft besides Edwards. The other WR candidates taken early were Troy Williamson, Big Mike Williams and Matt Jones.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Having overlooked Haloti Ngata, who is already their third best defender behind Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, this guy might be a little too critical of the Ravens at a C-. But the truth is that Ozzie has probably had more success procuring low-cost, high-value free agents in recent years than he has with his draft picks.
Reaper
Footballguy
One thing about Mangini - If you look at the Jets drafts, I think Mangini does a real good job of identifying and drafting good talent and Good solid individuals and FOOTBALL players....I won't ague the Jets grade in this article - But, it was Bradway and Herm that were behind the disasterous drafts of trading up 2 1st round picks for Dewayne Robertson and drafting Ted Nugent.I'm quick to criticize your take on your own team...but this post is terrific. I think Mangini is making disastrous mistakes and Cleveland fans should be up in arms. You build around guys like KW II, Braylon, Quinn, those are the guys you believed in during the draft...they are perhaps only a few weeks from dismantling everything that teams work so hard to find. both Edwards and Winslow were top5-top10 picks, both have had at least 1 outstanding season in their 1st 4 years in the league and no they want to trade them as they enter their prime? Mangini is nuts and while I defended him New York, he is looking like jack ### in Cleveland. I feel bad for the Browns fans.I like the way he downgrades Phil Savages drafts based upon the new regimes take on things. I wonder if it occured to him that Mangini and Kokinis are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. I mean who should have Savage taken in the 2005 draft besides Edwards. The other WR candidates taken early were Troy Williamson, Big Mike Williams and Matt Jones.
Mangini's drafts have been, if nothing else, logical. Of course Gholston is hanging over his grade but, again, people are crazy if they think Gholston came out of no where or wasn't a concensus top pick last year.....
That said, Mangini is rebuilding in Cleveland and like when he came to the Jets, he wants people 100% on board with his program - KW II is an injury risk, I completely understand not wanting to devote a ton of money to his long term prospects... Braylon Edwards can bring in some decent returns right now and might not be the guy you want around for a rebuild.. So, now you have Quinn???
Not so sure KW II, Braylon and Quinn are some incredible base that you build upon.
This draft is also loaded at WR and TE....
Mangini's biggest problem in NY was relating to people and translating X's and O's to the field.
Kinda like a young Bellichik... IMO, the Draft and identifying Football Players is his strength.
Bottom line - As a Jets fan I'm happy as can be with Rex over Mangini but, the guy IMO is smart and isn't Herm Edwards on the football field and isn't Matt Millen in the draft room... I think he can learn as he goes and has a shot unlike the prior 2 names.
I'd bet he has a real good draft here and surprises some people with his personel turnaround.
3nOut
Footballguy
Yea I don't get the scoring criteria either. Dallas gets an 'A' while Chicago gets a B- (huge discrepency) with:First-round picks (6)
Starters (11)
Pro Bowlers (4)
Grade: B-
Then the following teams got better or similar grades with fewer starters and Pro-bowlers:
Atlanta (Starters: 12, Pro-Bowlers: 1, B+)
Buffalo (11,1, B)
Carolina (11,2, B)
Giants (14, 4, A) (Three additional starters warrant a 4 grade increment increase?)
Pittsburgh (9, 2, A) ????????
Seattle (14, 2, B)
Tampa (10, 1, B-)
Washington (8,2, B)
I don't get it. A little West Coast (and Southern) bias here?
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
I count 15 starters without trying very hard. He lists 7 in just the writeup. One of us can't count.
The_Man
Footballguy
This guy is way off-base on the Ravens. He said they have only 5 starters from drafts 2003-2008?Opening Day 2008 Ravens starters drafted between 03 and 08: Gaither, Grubbs, Brown, Yanda, Terry, Flacco, McClain, Clayton, Ngata, Suggs, Johnson, Landry. That's 12.Even if you bump Terry (though he did start until Willie Anderson moved into the lineup) that's still 11.And then there were other starters not still on the Ravens, which he said he was counting in his draft grade: Pashos, Mughelli, Derek Anderson.That's 14-15 which is as many or more than all but about 4 teams (although, I doubt the stats for other teams are accurate either). Finally, this also doesn't take into account guys drafted before 2003 who are still so good that they're still starters - Lewis, Reed, Heap. So the Ravens are being penalized in this system for drafting and retaining perennial All-Stars who haven't been displaced in subsequent years.
Kirby
Footballguy
x2 This person doesn't know what they are talking about. It also looks like a 4th grader wrote it. "The same year, they took LDE Jonathan Fanene with the 233rd selection." And? He also says Tedd Ginn's a play maker.
puckalicious
Footballguy
I haven't looked, but what does the Lions grade look like?
1st round: 6
Starters: 3
Pro Bowl: 0
Grade: You're kidding, right?
1st round: 6
Starters: 3
Pro Bowl: 0
Grade: You're kidding, right?
Tau837
Footballguy
To really perform this analysis, there are a lot of issues to consider:
1. How to handle the fact that some positions were locked up prior to the evaluation period, and thus some teams were not drafting for as many potential starting positions as others, thus reducing the potential starting positions they could fill in the draft?
2. How to handle the fact that some teams purposely filled need positions with free agents, and thus did not need to draft for those positions, thus reducing the potential starting positions they could fill in the draft?
3. How to handle the fact that some teams had more picks than others during this period?
4. How to handle draft position? Some teams during this period consistently picked higher in each round than others, and thus theoretically were able to draft better talent.
5. How to assess the quality of the players drafted? Starters and Pro Bowls are mentioned in this analysis, but what about All Pro, ROY, MVP, and DPOY selections, for example? What about postseason contributions? How to differentiate if a player started immediately vs. required a couple of years to break into the starting lineup?
6. How to handle special teams? Kicker and punter should probably be considered starters...
7. Should positions be weighted? For example, should a team who drafted its starting punter get equal credit to a team that drafted its starting QB?
That's a start, anyway. It would be interesting to see such an analysis that attempted to do a much more thorough job than the writer did in this case.
1. How to handle the fact that some positions were locked up prior to the evaluation period, and thus some teams were not drafting for as many potential starting positions as others, thus reducing the potential starting positions they could fill in the draft?
2. How to handle the fact that some teams purposely filled need positions with free agents, and thus did not need to draft for those positions, thus reducing the potential starting positions they could fill in the draft?
3. How to handle the fact that some teams had more picks than others during this period?
4. How to handle draft position? Some teams during this period consistently picked higher in each round than others, and thus theoretically were able to draft better talent.
5. How to assess the quality of the players drafted? Starters and Pro Bowls are mentioned in this analysis, but what about All Pro, ROY, MVP, and DPOY selections, for example? What about postseason contributions? How to differentiate if a player started immediately vs. required a couple of years to break into the starting lineup?
6. How to handle special teams? Kicker and punter should probably be considered starters...
7. Should positions be weighted? For example, should a team who drafted its starting punter get equal credit to a team that drafted its starting QB?
That's a start, anyway. It would be interesting to see such an analysis that attempted to do a much more thorough job than the writer did in this case.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Yeah all of those guys suck but calling Ghiaciuc a good pick well I almost choked when I read that, the guy is the worst center in the NFL. And the other two of the "good picks," Stacy Andrews and Jonathan Fanene havent been much better.x2 This person doesn't know what they are talking about. It also looks like a 4th grader wrote it. "The same year, they took LDE Jonathan Fanene with the 233rd selection." And? He also says Tedd Ginn's a play maker.
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None_More_Black
Footballguy
The Eagles did not take a "flier" on Winston Justice. Guy should do just a little research.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
It may be too early to tell about Meachem, but DT Sullivan and WR Stallworth were definitely not worth their draft slots. Hard to argue with this draft grade as a Saints fan.It has been a historic problem with the Saints, and they will continue to just spin in place until they address it.
twistd
Footballguy
I think the numbers are somewhat deceiving. This is the Bears compared to the Steelers:BearsPicks: 53First-round picks (6)Starters (11)Pro Bowlers (4)Grade: B-SteelersPicks 45First-round picks: 6Starters: 9Pro Bowlers: 2Grade: AThe numbers would suggest that the Bears drafted better. But when you look at the players drafted it isn't even close. The Bears did get Hester and Forte in the last three drafts, and he mentions Briggs, Tillman, Vasher, Harris, and the departed Berrian, Gage and Wade. Briggs continues to play well, but Vasher lost his starting job. Tillman and Harris were both mediocre at best last year. The Steelers on the other hand drafted Big Ben, Polamalu, Heath Miller, Holmes, and Lamarr Woodley, plus three starting offensive linemen. So if you look at the numbers the Bears had two more starters and four Pro Bowlers versus the Steelers nine starters and two Pro Bowlers. But you look at the overall quality of players I think the Steelers are far superior.The grading system doesn't seem consistent. For example, both Pittsburgh and San Diego are given A grades. Compare them
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
DETROIT: Well, Matt Millen is long gone but he hired Martin Mayhew, his replacement, although team finance man Tom Lewand will have some influence in future drafts. Millen did draft three talented receivers in Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson. But Rogers broke his shoulder blade in consecutive seasons, ending his career, while Roy Williams is now a Cowboy. USC receiver Mike Williams was a total bust in 2005 and Ernie Sims is simply a nice little linebacker. The Lions were 0-16 last season because the coaching and talent were substandard.
Picks: 47
First-round picks: 7
Starters: 9
Pro Bowlers: 1
Grade: D
Picks: 47
First-round picks: 7
Starters: 9
Pro Bowlers: 1
Grade: D
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Playoff Victories: 0Bankerguy said:
