Deamon
Footballguy
thats definitely probably (guessing) the smallest value to possibly be traded in the nfl.
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RB Alexander Mattison, LV (1 Viewer)
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Rookiefever
Footballguy
I place a little more weight on the pick swap than most people. Akers was clearly headed to waivers but they were willing to acquire his services with the deal. Definitely not a huge investment but they still lost draft capital to get him. This tells me they thought there was a chance they wouldn’t get him on waivers.
Balco
Footballguy
It definitely means they thought they might not get him on waivers. But they paid a pittance to acquire him. I said earlier I wonder if Mattison might still be banged up and not recovered from his pre season injury and they have zero faith in the current backup situation (Chandler barely saw the field last week).
Akers looked atrocious week 1 - he averaged less than 2 yards a carry on 20 carries.
While Mattison might not be the player the Vikings had hoped, he is a far better option than Akers.
I roster Mattison in a league and I’m not even convinced of this. I have a feeling he’s not startable in a couple weeks.
Balco
Footballguy
Because Akers will leap frog him? Or he just doesn’t perform?
MCFootball123
Footballguy
I roster Mattison as well. Been pretty disappointing start - I personally viewed him as a Rachaad White... lesser talent, but big volume guy on a better offense(Min vs TB). Some things just don't workout.
My personal plan is to hope he does really well this week in a perfect matchup - with Akers being so new Mattison should still get most if not all the work. After that, SELL for whatever I can get.
My personal plan is to hope he does really well this week in a perfect matchup - with Akers being so new Mattison should still get most if not all the work. After that, SELL for whatever I can get.
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
I'm trading him to the WW
Birdie048
Footballguy
Now I feel really guilty for trading Mattison for Kamara last week ... Like I gave him a dead horse ...
As for Ackers vs Mattison RB Roles...I think KOC will find value in Ackers in some schemes that Mattison was not hitting the holes with burst.
Ackers might not be top tier (or even 2nd tier), he can do some thing Mattison was showing he could not accomplish (between the tackles).
I see a limited value for both. RBBC in 2 weeks and both get 5-10 touches ... nothing GL or Red Zone related ... TJ Hoch, JJ & Addison will be primary TD options.
As for Ackers vs Mattison RB Roles...I think KOC will find value in Ackers in some schemes that Mattison was not hitting the holes with burst.
Ackers might not be top tier (or even 2nd tier), he can do some thing Mattison was showing he could not accomplish (between the tackles).
I see a limited value for both. RBBC in 2 weeks and both get 5-10 touches ... nothing GL or Red Zone related ... TJ Hoch, JJ & Addison will be primary TD options.
Banger
Footballguy
Well now it's go time and Mattison has to show it this weekend. I don't think anyone knows how the Akers / Mattison backfield will work out but the Vikes actively brought in a player (for next to nothing) but is it to be a backup? starter? I'm not sure the Vikes even know but it shows they likely are happy with the production in the backfield so to me this weekend is a huge weekend for Mattison to try and plant his flag on the job. Should be an interesting situation to watch....
I think it’s certainly plausible that Akers eventually leapfrogs him because of him under-performing.
I have Mattison in my flex for week 3 because I don’t see Akers getting more than a handful of carries in his first game. But beyond that, I’m not optimistic.
What has Mattison ever did to say this? Hes been a career backup and never had the 6 weeks stretch like Akers had last year. Not saying Akers is good but I dont know how anyone can say Mattison is far better than him.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
I dont see this as any type of replacement for Mattison. The Vikings drafted DeWayne McBride and he ended up on the practice squad. Im surprised they didnt acquire a RB sooner, for depth, not as a starter. Akers has shown flashes and obviously KOC is familiar with him. Seems to make sense for everyone involved.
markrc99
Footballguy
Obviously, Akers & McVay fell out for the last time. The Rams just wanted Akers out of their building. Kevin O'Connell, the Rams former OC, knows the player very well. Unlikely just a coincidence he lands there. Could be O'Connell is simply doing his old mentor a favor, moving some baggage for him. Akers is given a fair chance but likely cut end of season, perhaps sooner? Or, he knows the tension between the two & thinks he can bridge this problem. Knowing the player 1st hand, believes he can still play. Which is it?
abrunn1133
Footballguy
The Vikings o-line is in complete shambles right now. Pair that with the fact that this coaching staff is enamored with throwing the ball 70% of the time, you get Mattison's production. Bringing in Akers does not change the fact that the Vikings are completely uninterested, and incapable, of running the football. Mattison has his limitations, but he is not as bad as his stats have been thus far.
Id say him doing a favor to McVay makes little sense. OConnell has his own job to worry about now.
Balco
Footballguy
I see it as O’Connell is familiar with Akers, Akers is familiar with the system, and Vikings aren’t happy with backups.
They got him for free essentially so why not try add perceived value to the running back room?
I just am not understanding some believing this trade means Akers becomes the starter or leads in backfield touches. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him get 25% of snaps at all. But also wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t pan out as a backup either.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
What we know at the moment is that Mattison knows the playbook better than Akers. That said, what does the Vikings OC do in the next couple of weeks? Does he identify a dozen or so plays that Akers can handle right away? How long does it take to learn the playbook well enough to get 20 touches? How familiar is the offensive system to Akers?
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I feel Akers being new to the offense is being over stated. Akers should be extremely knowledgeable of the offense. He worked with the head coach for two year and( I think )the oc for two years as well. Timing with the qb and feel for the oline will take a while though. That’s where he’ll need time to gel if he’s going to be given a shot at the lead role.
Balco
Footballguy
I think people pushed panic button on him way too early. Philly has an elite DL and Tampa Bay defense does not look to bad either.
I think he still offers rb2 value going forward.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Mattison ran hard, which I think he always does.
The difference in this game is he actually had some creases to run though. I dont think he had much blocking to work with in previous 2 games.
The Chargers defense from what I saw had a lot of light boxes as well. They ran a lot of twists and stunts, somewhat similar to what the Vikings defense was trying to do. This leaves a lot of open running lanes where Mattison could just hit the crease without needing to change durection much and gain yards after contact with a full head of steam.
He isnt really a RB who creates on his own.
The difference in this game is he actually had some creases to run though. I dont think he had much blocking to work with in previous 2 games.
The Chargers defense from what I saw had a lot of light boxes as well. They ran a lot of twists and stunts, somewhat similar to what the Vikings defense was trying to do. This leaves a lot of open running lanes where Mattison could just hit the crease without needing to change durection much and gain yards after contact with a full head of steam.
He isnt really a RB who creates on his own.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I said the same thing in the game thread. It's really suprising how many mistakes this guy makes, and he's not new to the team/offense. Akers doesn't really offer that much as a passcatcher, but I wouldn't be stunned if he got a good amount of the early down work next week.
More a product of the chargers D being that bad imo
need2know
Footballguy
nah. hes a decent rb2 though. dobbs is good for him. they wont go pass happy with him
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
He wasnt a #1 before Akers arrived. Mattison is a fine start, but nothing to write home about. The Vikings do have a good stretch for the next month.
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
Anyone who has watched the Vikings try to run the ball knows he is not an RB1. So sad to get to the 1 yard line and still have almost no chance to run it in. Based on volume, I guess still an RB2 though.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Watch them sit him anyway,........well......maybe not.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He takes a backseat anyway IMO. It only helps Chandler if he sits in a tough matchup.
the spanker
Footballguy
Yes tough matchup for sure. Is Chandler a RB2 in your book? I play in ppr and probably with start him over Montgomery if Mattison sits this week.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
per Sleeperbot "Vikings informed RB Alexander Mattison today that they are releasing him"
and that surprised like nobody. how many games did this guy cost the vikes this year with his fumblitis?
and that surprised like nobody. how many games did this guy cost the vikes this year with his fumblitis?
I'm a little surprised if only because they save basically no money doing it. Like, they could have easily kept him as an RB3 for the money they saved.
ETA: Not that I'm saying he's good or anything. Also, I'd be looking to sell right now on Ty Chandler.
Agreed, that part was very surprising.
rockaction
Footballguy
Was going to pull a receipt on somebody who just kept dogging me in the thread about Mattison, especially how he compared to Rachaad White. I'll just let it go. The above quotes are what I said.
Released today. They just wanted to get rid of him. He was slow and not very good this year—and never has been. Sorry.
DangerMonkey
Footballguy
Everyone thought Mattison and Pollard were studs when they were playing 2nd fiddle. Neither showed very much when they had to carry the load.
Let's not lump Pollard in with Mattison. Pollard was still a solid RB last year, just not the efficiency stud he was in 2022. Mattison was bad by any measure. Mattison will be lucky to catch on as a #2 RB, Pollard will be a week 1 starter somewhere.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The second Cook left I was able to sell AM for Mike Williams & a 2025 1st.
Some here thought i got the worst of that deal.
Williams torn ACL didn’t help me, but that 1st is looking better and better. And I’d rather have MW than Mattison right now.
In another league imma try to move Ty for picks ASAP.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It does occur to me that there’s a non-zero chance Ty is the starter next year.
They’ll have to pinch some pennies based on Cousins alleged contract demands, and Ty does know the offense.
MIN has also de-emphasized the run game a bit since moving on from Cook.
I can see a scenario where the Vikes roll the dice with Chandler & spend a later round pick on a backup who could get a shot if Chandler is on a short leash.
Not making a prediction - just saying I could see a chance that Ty remains the starter. It wouldn’t be crazy, given their other needs.
They’ll have to pinch some pennies based on Cousins alleged contract demands, and Ty does know the offense.
MIN has also de-emphasized the run game a bit since moving on from Cook.
I can see a scenario where the Vikes roll the dice with Chandler & spend a later round pick on a backup who could get a shot if Chandler is on a short leash.
Not making a prediction - just saying I could see a chance that Ty remains the starter. It wouldn’t be crazy, given their other needs.
rockaction
Footballguy
You're advocating giving this slow guy more carries to increase his effectiveness?
That's not the way they're playing football anymore. The analytics-dominated guys in Minnesota certainly aren't going to do that. They're throwing or giving the ball to highly efficient backs. This plodder is neither efficient nor a receiver, so he ain't touching the ball anymore for them.
