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Grade your team's draft from 2012 (1 Viewer)

Hooper31

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The return of my annual thread.

Did this last three years.
Link to the grades from the 2011 draft. Seattle grade = A
Link to the grades from the 2010 draft. Seattle grade = A
Link to the grades from the 2009 draft. Seattle grade = F

Draft excitement is just around the corner, less than three weeks away.

If you wish to participate please include the following:
1. List of drafted players. LINK to DraftHistory.com
2. Players still with team
3. Starters
4. Potential future starters
5. Pro-bowls
6. Positives
7. Negatives
8. Grade


Seattle Seahawks 2012 draft

1.15 Bruce Irvin DE West Virginia
2.15 Bobby Wagner LB Utah State
3.12 Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin
4.11 Robert Turbin RB Utah State
4.19 Jaye Howard DT Florida
5.19 Korey Toomer LB Idaho
6.2 Jeremy Lane DB Northwestern State (LA)
6.11 Winston Guy DB Kentucky
7.18 J R Sweezy DE North Carolina State
7.25 Greg Scruggs DE Louisville






Players still with team: 7
Starters: 4
Potential future starters: 3
Pro-bowls: 3

Positives: Holy crap. Three slam dunk A drafts in three years. Can anyone be shocked that Seattle has played in the last two Super Bowls? The talking heads all gave the Seahawks an F. All of them. Could they have been more wrong? Somehow I don't think John Schneider and Pete Carroll ever got an apology, but do they care? Of course not. Two starting linebackers and a pro-bowl quarterback are enough to make me dizzy with excitment, but landing a starting OG in the seventh round is just icing on the cake. Sweezy was drafted as a project that panned out quickly. Scruggs just resigned last week, and has made plays when given the chance. Lane is a starter worthy CB for lots of teams, but has been awesome as a gunner on special teams and played well as the slot DB. Are we ready to just call a slot DB a starter yet? They end up playing well over half the snaps for just about every team. Hell, even Winston Guy has gotten a chance to start in JAX because Seattle has been so loaded at safety. They just couldn't keep him rostered. Even Turbin could start for some teams. He's been a great third down RB and guy that gives Lynch a blow from time to time.

Negatives: Ummmm, none? Irvin has a bit of a big mouth on twitter? Russel is short?

Grade: A

 
1 1 20 20 Kendall Wright WR Baylor
2 2 20 52 Zach Brown LB North Carolina
3 3 19 82 Mike Martin DT Michigan
4 4 20 115 Coty Sensabaugh DB Clemson
5 5 10 145 Taylor Thompson TE Southern Methodist
6 6 20 190 Markelle Martin DB Oklahoma State
7 7 4 211 Scott Solomon DE Rice

Two starters - Wright and Brown (I'd bet on Brown starting though it isn't a lock), though neither have done exceptionally well.
Three role players still with the team who haven't developed into anything more.
One player who's in Cleveland as a backup (Solomon)
And I'm pretty sure Markelle Martin is out of the NFL.

No pro-bowls, though I think Wright has a chance with a better QB.

Positives? Wright has done alright and Brown is solid when healthy. Three role players are helpful but not a lot of positives here.
Negatives? Honestly, this class is about what fans should expect from any given year (if Brown were healthy). But you aren't going to win in the NFL with these types of draft classes.

I'll give the class a B- overall for no real busts but no standouts. Again, this class is almost the textbook as to what fans should expect - a good starter in the 1st and 2nd, role players later, no hidden gems but 5 / 7 are contributors.
 
Green Bay Packers 2012 draft

1.28 Nick Perry LB USC
2.19 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
2.30 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt

4.37 Mike Daniels DT Iowa
4.38 Jeron McMillian DB Maine
5.28 Terrell Manning LB NC State
7.34 Andrew Datko OT Florida State
7.36 BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga


Players still with team: 3
Starters: 2
Potential future starters: 2
Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Getting 2 quality starters in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds is good. Lots of teams botch those picks. Casey Hayward looked stellar as a rookie, then struggled with injuries. But he's shown he can play. Mike Daniels has been a very solid starter on the D-line.

Negatives: Nick Perry was a bad pick from the beginning. And we all knew it. He was a tweener who was a better fit at DE, but we took him in the 1st and tried to fit him into a 3-4 OLB. (like we didn't already learn that lesson with Aaron Kampman.....fike) Jerel Worthy was a terrible, blown 2nd round pick. We could say it was injuries, but he looked lazy & lost from the beginning. Again, something we should have known. When will teams stop drafting "low motor" defensive linemen? It just doesn't work. Most of this draft class is off the team - and let's face it, most of them are out of the NFL. That says it all.

Grade: D+

 
Minnesota Vikings

1.4 (4) - Matt Kalil Offensive Tackle USC C
1.29 (29) - Harrison Smith Safety Notre Dame A+
3.3 (66) - Josh Robinson Cornerback Central Florida C
4.23 (118) - Jarius Wright Wide Receiver Arkansas B
4.33 (128) - Rhett Ellison Fullback USC B
4.39 (134) - Greg Childs Wide Receiver Arkansas F
5.4 (139) - Robert Blanton Cornerback Notre Dame C+
6.5 (175) - Blair Walsh Kicker Georgia A
7.3 (210) - Audie Cole Linebacker North Carolina State C+
7.12 (219) - Trevor Guyton Defensive End California F

Players currently on the team: 8
Starters: 3-ish
Potential future starters: 0
Pro Bowls: 2

Positives:
- Harrison Smith is one of the league's top safeties and should have been in the Pro Bowl already.
- Matt Kalil had a great rookie season.
- Blair Walsh made the Pro Bowl as a rookie and has been better than average all three seasons.
- Robinson, Wright, Ellison, Blanton, and Cole have all at least contributed.

Negatives:
- WTF, Matt Kalil in seasons 2 & 3. I suspect they're hiding an injury but who knows?
- Robinson and Blanton have been more liabilities than pieces to count on.
- Greg Childs...ouch!

Overall grade: C
 
Jacksonville Jaguars 2012 draft

1.5 (TRADE): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

2.6: Andre Branch, DE, Clemson

3.7: Bryan Anger, P, California

5.7: Brandon Marshall, LB, Nevada

6.6: Mike Harris, CB, Florida State

7.21: Jeris Pendleton, DT, Ashland

Players still with team: 2.5
Starters: 0
Potential future starters: 1 (For someone else)
Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: There aren't any positives to list here. Seriously, there are none.

Negatives: Where to start? This draft is was a disaster on several levels. Justin Blackmon's status is well known. I don't think he's ever going to make it back. Even if he did, I don't expect him to play really well given the amount of time he's been away from the game. Andre Branch has no bend and most of his sacks are schemed. Brandon Marshall seemed to work out for the Broncos, which doesn't help the Jags at all. Which brings me to the Bryan Anger pick. A punter selected in the third round over Russell Wilson. Jags fans are still haunted by this. Gene Smith was the worst. The worst.

Grade: F-

 
As a Browns fan, 2012 Never Happened.

Except for our Supplementary Draft. That was A+

 
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Alex P Keaton said:
Green Bay Packers 2012 draft

1.28 Nick Perry LB USC

2.19 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

2.30 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt

4.37 Mike Daniels DT Iowa

4.38 Jeron McMillian DB Maine

5.28 Terrell Manning LB NC State

7.34 Andrew Datko OT Florida State

7.36 BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 2

Potential future starters: 2

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Getting 2 quality starters in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds is good. Lots of teams botch those picks. Casey Hayward looked stellar as a rookie, then struggled with injuries. But he's shown he can play. Mike Daniels has been a very solid starter on the D-line.

Negatives: Nick Perry was a bad pick from the beginning. And we all knew it. He was a tweener who was a better fit at DE, but we took him in the 1st and tried to fit him into a 3-4 OLB. (like we didn't already learn that lesson with Aaron Kampman.....fike) Jerel Worthy was a terrible, blown 2nd round pick. We could say it was injuries, but he looked lazy & lost from the beginning. Again, something we should have known. When will teams stop drafting "low motor" defensive linemen? It just doesn't work. Most of this draft class is off the team - and let's face it, most of them are out of the NFL. That says it all.

Grade: D+
Little harsh... I think it's more in the C range. Hayward and Daniels that late, given their performance/potential, were home runs. Not his best draft, but I don't think it was that much below average for an NFL draft. First round busts alone are in the ~40% range, second round closer to 50%. The fact that two of the first three picks were hits is above average.

At the time, Perry was the obvious pick. Everyone had him going to the Packers. He had the length/speed to close in on the running QBs that were all the rage a few years ago, but the size to take on edge blockers.

It sure would have been nice to use that Perry pick on one of the 2nd round LBs, though .... look at all those great ILBs .... Bobby Wagner, Lavante David, Mychal Kendricks, Zach Brown, Courtney Upshaw. Man, I would take any of those guys right now over Perry, and it would completely solidify our LB core against the run.

 
Jacksonville Jaguars 2012 draft1.5 (TRADE): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

2.6: Andre Branch, DE, Clemson

3.7: Bryan Anger, P, California

5.7: Brandon Marshall, LB, Nevada

6.6: Mike Harris, CB, Florida State

7.21: Jeris Pendleton, DT, Ashland

Players still with team: 2.5Starters: 0Potential future starters: 1 (For someone else)Pro-bowls: 0Positives: There aren't any positives to list here. Seriously, there are none.

Negatives: Where to start? This draft is was a disaster on several levels. Justin Blackmon's status is well known. I don't think he's ever going to make it back. Even if he did, I don't expect him to play really well given the amount of time he's been away from the game. Andre Branch has no bend and most of his sacks are schemed. Brandon Marshall seemed to work out for the Broncos, which doesn't help the Jags at all. Which brings me to the Bryan Anger pick. A punter selected in the third round over Russell Wilson. Jags fans are still haunted by this. Gene Smith was the worst. The worst.

Grade: F-
Man.

 
Indianapolis Colts:

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International

Josh Chapman DT Alabama

Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

LaVon Brazill WR Ohio

Justin Anderson T Georgia

Tim Fugger DE Vanderbilt

Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois

Rate this one an A+

Starters- 5/10

Positives- Luck, TY, Fleener, and Allen all firmly planted as starters

Negatives- Ballard hurt by injuries, Brazill a pothead, and the later picks were trash as expected.

 
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Jacksonville Jaguars 2012 draft1.5 (TRADE): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

2.6: Andre Branch, DE, Clemson

3.7: Bryan Anger, P, California

5.7: Brandon Marshall, LB, Nevada

6.6: Mike Harris, CB, Florida State

7.21: Jeris Pendleton, DT, Ashland

Players still with team: 2.5Starters: 0Potential future starters: 1 (For someone else)Pro-bowls: 0Positives: There aren't any positives to list here. Seriously, there are none.

Negatives: Where to start? This draft is was a disaster on several levels. Justin Blackmon's status is well known. I don't think he's ever going to make it back. Even if he did, I don't expect him to play really well given the amount of time he's been away from the game. Andre Branch has no bend and most of his sacks are schemed. Brandon Marshall seemed to work out for the Broncos, which doesn't help the Jags at all. Which brings me to the Bryan Anger pick. A punter selected in the third round over Russell Wilson. Jags fans are still haunted by this. Gene Smith was the worst. The worst.

Grade: F-
Man.
Almost makes the Jets look like draft mavens in comparison:

1 Quinton Coples DE North Carolina

2 Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech

3 Demario Davis LB Arkansas State

4 Josh Bush DB Wake Forest

5 Terrance Ganaway RB Baylor

6 Robert T. Griffin G Baylor

7 Antonio Allen DB South Carolina

8 Jordan White WR Western Michigan

 
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Bears

1.19 - Shea McClellin

2.13 - Alshon Jeffery

3.16 - Brandon Hardin

4.16 - Evan Rodriguez

6.14 - Isaiah Frey

7.13 - Greg McCoy

Players still with team: 2
Starters: 1
Potential future starters: 1
Pro-bowls: 1

Positives: Nice to pick up a WR1 in Jeffery in the 2nd round, hopefully his poor work ethic (the reason he fell in the draft) doesn't return when he signs his next contract. McClellin is a bust, I don't care what anyone says. If he amounts to anything it needs to be during the upcoming season where he *may* start under the new regime. Shea was a rush OLB in a 3-4 at Boise State who the Bears slated to transition into a 4-3 end. What is it with the Bears that makes them draft a guy and immediately change his position? Tinkering like this is acceptable at times, but with 1st round picks? These draft picks need to start from day 1.

Negatives: Shea McClellin. Brandon Hardin as just another sucky safety the Bears have drafted in the 3rd round in the past few years (Hardin - Conte - Wright; also Vereen but he was a 4th rounder).

Grade: C-/D+

I think if you get a pro bowler in the draft it's tough to consider the entire draft a failure. If McClellin gives us anything on defense I would give us a C-.

 
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Baltimore Ravens 2012 draft

2.3 (35) Courtney Upshaw Linebacker Alabama

2.28 (60) Kelechi Osemele Offensive Tackle Iowa State

3.21 (84) Bernard Pierce Running Back Temple

4.3 (98) Gino Gradkowski Guard Delaware

4.35 (130) Christian Thompson Safety South Carolina State

5.34 (169) Asa Jackson Cornerback Cal Poly

6.28 (198) Tommy Streeter Wide Receiver Miami (FL)

7.29 (236) DeAngelo Tyson Defensive End Georgia

Players still with team: 4
Starters: 2
Potential future starters: 0 (1, Gino in Denver?)

Super Bowl Rings: 8
Playoff Wins: 36

Summary: Mostly a speed bump in what has been a ridiculous career for Ozzie. Addressed needs at time, just not good ROI. Traded out of the 1st and picked Upshaw and Gradkowski with the extra pick. Gave up one 5th to move up 7 spots for Pierce.

Positives: Osemele is the best player in this draft. His drafting coincided with allowing Grubbs to walk to New Orleans, picking up comp pick in process. Upshaw does what he did in college, set the edge in the run game. There is some talk of getting him more involved in pass rushing but that's not his ball of wax.

Negatives: No impact players (Osemele is good not great, and an interior lineman) and mostly bad depth. Cut Pierce, Thompson and Streeter, traded Gradkowski.

Grade: C-

 
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Indianapolis Colts:

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International

Josh Chapman DT Alabama

Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

LaVon Brazill WR Ohio

Justin Anderson T Georgia

Tim Fugger DE Vanderbilt

Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois

Rate this one an A+

Starters- 5/10

Positives- Luck, TY, Fleener, and Allen all firmly planted as starters

Negatives- Ballard hurt by injuries, Brazill a pothead, and the later picks were trash as expected.
:wall: this one draft is the biggest reason the Colts are perrenial playoff contenders while the Titans draft #2 this year.

 
Indianapolis Colts:

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International

Josh Chapman DT Alabama

Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

LaVon Brazill WR Ohio

Justin Anderson T Georgia

Tim Fugger DE Vanderbilt

Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois

Rate this one an A+

Starters- 5/10

Positives- Luck, TY, Fleener, and Allen all firmly planted as starters

Negatives- Ballard hurt by injuries, Brazill a pothead, and the later picks were trash as expected.
:wall: this one draft is the biggest reason the Colts are perrenial playoff contenders while the Titans draft #2 this year.
Hell, that one pick...not that anybody in the universe could have screwed that one up.
 
Steelers;

First round: David DeCastrohttp://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14935/david-decastro, G, Stanford. Starter-Injuries aside, great pick and key piece to an improving O-line. A+

Second round: Mike Adamshttp://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8133/mike-adams, OT, Ohio State. Back up, after showing nothing that might have made him a steal in the 2nd round. Guy just keeps tripping himself up with poor judgement and lack luster play. C

Third round: Sean Spencehttp://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14972/sean-spence, ILB, Miami. Back up/ Situational player – First season last year after coming back from a devastating knee injury. Many doubted but he finally arrived last year B

Fourth round: , NT, Washington. Arizona Cardinals claimed off of waivers in 2013 and he has only started three games in his career. Another player who can’t keep from making bad choices - F

Fifth round: Chris Rainey, RB, Florida. Another bad choice on a questionable character –F

Seventh round: Toney Clemons, WR, Colorado. Spent time w/ Jags and is now with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers -F

Seventh round: David Paulsonhttp://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15043/david-paulson, TE, Oregon. Played for two seasons w/ Steelers started 9 games, recorded 13 receptions no td’s. Picked up by Chargers. C

Seventh round: Terrence Frederickhttp://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15065/terrence-frederick, CB, Texas A&M. Plays for N.O. Saints has started 3 games in his career (all last year). D

Seventh round: Kelvin Beachumhttp://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15035/kelvin-beachum, G, SMU. Even when you include DeCastro this was probably the best value pick in this draft for the Steelers. Has started 33 games in his career and has, along w/ Decastro changed the o-line from a point of weakness to one of strength. A+

2 Starters

2 Back up/role players

3 Playing for other teams

3 Questionable Characters no longer with team

Rating C+/B- 2 OL starters 1 b/u and a situational LB. May not impress hardcore fans but the OL was horrible before this draft. Spence is the feel good story marred only by the bad choices of Ta'Amu and Rainey.

 
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Alex P Keaton said:
Green Bay Packers 2012 draft

1.28 Nick Perry LB USC

2.19 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

2.30 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt

4.37 Mike Daniels DT Iowa

4.38 Jeron McMillian DB Maine

5.28 Terrell Manning LB NC State

7.34 Andrew Datko OT Florida State

7.36 BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 2

Potential future starters: 2

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Getting 2 quality starters in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds is good. Lots of teams botch those picks. Casey Hayward looked stellar as a rookie, then struggled with injuries. But he's shown he can play. Mike Daniels has been a very solid starter on the D-line.

Negatives: Nick Perry was a bad pick from the beginning. And we all knew it. He was a tweener who was a better fit at DE, but we took him in the 1st and tried to fit him into a 3-4 OLB. (like we didn't already learn that lesson with Aaron Kampman.....fike) Jerel Worthy was a terrible, blown 2nd round pick. We could say it was injuries, but he looked lazy & lost from the beginning. Again, something we should have known. When will teams stop drafting "low motor" defensive linemen? It just doesn't work. Most of this draft class is off the team - and let's face it, most of them are out of the NFL. That says it all.

Grade: D+
Little harsh... I think it's more in the C range. Hayward and Daniels that late, given their performance/potential, were home runs. Not his best draft, but I don't think it was that much below average for an NFL draft. First round busts alone are in the ~40% range, second round closer to 50%. The fact that two of the first three picks were hits is above average.

At the time, Perry was the obvious pick. Everyone had him going to the Packers. He had the length/speed to close in on the running QBs that were all the rage a few years ago, but the size to take on edge blockers.

It sure would have been nice to use that Perry pick on one of the 2nd round LBs, though .... look at all those great ILBs .... Bobby Wagner, Lavante David, Mychal Kendricks, Zach Brown, Courtney Upshaw. Man, I would take any of those guys right now over Perry, and it would completely solidify our LB core against the run.
Agree that the Perry pick would have been much nicer if instead was one of the ILBs.

Totally disagree that Perry was the obvious pick. Everyone agreed he was a tweener, and that there were major questions of whether he could transition to OLB, and whether or not he was athletic enough. He's flashed talent, particularly against the run & as a power rusher. But he just doesn't look quick enough to be an effective OLB. And TT should have known that. It is a huge miss for a 1st round pick.....not as bad as Justin Harrell, Jon Michaels or Ahmad Carroll.....but that shouldn't be the bar we measure against.

The Jerel Worthy pick was also abysmal. He was recognized as a low motor guy. And that is what we got -- except he was also injury prone. Fantastic.

 
Philadelphia Eagles 2012

Round Selection Player Position College Signed Notes

1 12 Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State [dr 1]

2 46 Mychal Kendricks LB California

59 Vinny Curry DE Marshall [dr 2] [dr 3] [dr 4]

3 88 Nick Foles QB Arizona

4 123 Brandon Boykin DB Georgia

5 153 Dennis Kelly OT Purdue

6 194 Marvin McNutt WR Iowa [dr 5] [dr 6]

200 Brandon Washington OG Miami [dr 7] [dr 8]

7 229 Bryce Brown RB Kansas State

This was arguably the team's best draft since 2002. Four immediate starters or worked in very quickly with Cox, Kendricks, Boykin and Foles provided great production in 2013. Curry is a force everytime he sees the field. Bryce Brown even showed some promise in the washed out mess that was 2012 regular season. Dennis Kelly has been a solid backup even. Only two complete misses.

But, new coach and every single one of these players have been targeted to move. Foles and Brown are gone. Boykin and curry have trade rumors surround them. Cox and Kendricks are often rumored as the pieces needed to get Mariota. As great a talent these guys are, they either aren't Kelly guys or he tolerates them.

Forgot to give a grade.

Draft - A-

Keeping them or getting value- C- so far

 
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Bears

Grade: C-/D+

I think if you get a pro bowler in the draft it's tough to consider the entire draft a failure. If McClellin gives us anything on defense I would give us a C-.
Fair assessment, but I'm feeling negative today and say they deserve a D. Alshon was an easy pick at the time. Best WR left on the board by a fair margin.

McClellin is trash. Never should have been considered in the first round. There was a ton of talent at DE still on the board. Passing on Mercilus and Chandler Jones makes this sting even more. It was a wasted pick. Terrible pick from the start.

Looking at this draft from a 2016 perspective, the Bears are likely to be paying Jeffery franchise money and not have a single player left from that draft. This is a step above failure.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Green Bay Packers 2012 draft

1.28 Nick Perry LB USC

2.19 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

2.30 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt

4.37 Mike Daniels DT Iowa

4.38 Jeron McMillian DB Maine

5.28 Terrell Manning LB NC State

7.34 Andrew Datko OT Florida State

7.36 BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 2

Potential future starters: 2

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Getting 2 quality starters in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds is good. Lots of teams botch those picks. Casey Hayward looked stellar as a rookie, then struggled with injuries. But he's shown he can play. Mike Daniels has been a very solid starter on the D-line.

Negatives: Nick Perry was a bad pick from the beginning. And we all knew it. He was a tweener who was a better fit at DE, but we took him in the 1st and tried to fit him into a 3-4 OLB. (like we didn't already learn that lesson with Aaron Kampman.....fike) Jerel Worthy was a terrible, blown 2nd round pick. We could say it was injuries, but he looked lazy & lost from the beginning. Again, something we should have known. When will teams stop drafting "low motor" defensive linemen? It just doesn't work. Most of this draft class is off the team - and let's face it, most of them are out of the NFL. That says it all.

Grade: D+
Yes pretty much a wasted year. Mike Daniels is a decent player on a crappy d.
 
Bears

Grade: C-/D+

I think if you get a pro bowler in the draft it's tough to consider the entire draft a failure. If McClellin gives us anything on defense I would give us a C-.
Fair assessment, but I'm feeling negative today and say they deserve a D. Alshon was an easy pick at the time. Best WR left on the board by a fair margin.

McClellin is trash. Never should have been considered in the first round. There was a ton of talent at DE still on the board. Passing on Mercilus and Chandler Jones makes this sting even more. It was a wasted pick. Terrible pick from the start.

Looking at this draft from a 2016 perspective, the Bears are likely to be paying Jeffery franchise money and not have a single player left from that draft. This is a step above failure.
I also worry about when Ashlon get's that big pay day, and his lazy beer belly days come back. Right now I'm a C, but turns to an F is Ashlon turns into our worst fears.

 
Buffalo Bills

1st Round (10th Overall) – Stephon Gilmore (CB, South Carolina)
2nd Round (41st Overall) – Cordy Glenn (OT, Georgia)
3rd Round (72nd Overall) – T.J. Graham (WR, NC State)
4th Round (105th Overall) – Nigel Bradham (LB, Florida State)
4th Round (124th Overall) – Ron Brooks (CB/S, LSU)
5th Round (144th Overall) – Zebrie Sanders (OT, Florida State)
5th Round (147th Overall) – Tank Carder (LB, TCU)
6th Round (178th Overall) – Mark Asper (OG, Oregon)
7th Round (251st Overall) – John Potter (K, Western Michigan)

This is the draft I almost put a hole in my TV when we traded up in the 3rd to take TJ Graham when I thought for sure it was for Russell Wilson. Our 1st and 2nd round picks were still good and our first 4th is turning out to be pretty good as well. Glenn is a stud. Gilmore can be great at times and hopefully puts it all together with Rex and his staff.

Don't like doing grades especially this early, but I think this was a slightly above average draft.

 
St. Louis Rams 2012 draft

1.14 Michael Brockers DE LSU B-/C+
2.1 Brian Quick WR Appalachian St. D until '14, could be salvaged into a B
2.7 Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama/Florida B-/C+, strong rookie trajectory unsustained, may walk in '16
2.18 Isaiah Pead RB Cincinatti F-
3.2 Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana B-/C+, if he regains starting gig, factoring in his pedigree
4.1 Chris Givens WR Wake Forest C-, regressed after rookie campaign, currently WR5, maybe gone in '16
5.15 Rokevious Watkins OT/G South Carolina F-, fat guys stay fat, linked with the Pead fiasco/debacle
6.1 Greg Zuerlein K Missouri Western B, not the best K in the league, but good value given pedigree
7.2 Aaron Brown LB Hawaii ? Hard to grade, a pick here is typically ticketed for practice squad or cut
7.45 Daryl Richardson, RB Abilene Christian B-, limited and later cut, but started briefy, good for a 7th rounder
7.25 Greg Scruggs DE Louisville? See 7.2

Note - RG3 trade archaeology, excavation and post-mortem

2012 was the first year of the Jeff Fisher, Les Snead regime. They kicked things off with a double trade down in the first round (after adding up the extra picks, I think their 11 picks that year may have been the most of any team in that draft class). First from 1.2 to 1.6 (WAS took RG3), which yielded additional first round picks in 2013 and 2014, and the 2012 2.7 pick. The intent was probably to draft WR Justin Blackmon, but JAX traded up from 1.7 to 1.5 (Peter King or Michael Silver were in the war room and reported that Fisher slammed his reading glasses down in frustration), sparing the Rams from a wasted pick. They than traded from 1.6 to 1.14 (DAL took CB Morris Claiborne, largely another wasted pick), bringing an extra 2.13 pick. At this point, they took starting DT Brockers (who they reportedly would have selected at 1.6 anyway, if unable to trade down). With the WAS 2.7 pick, they took starting CB Jenkins. With the DAL 2.13 pick, they had their eye on LBs Mychal Kendricks or Bobby Wagner, but fatefully wanted to generate an absent fifth round pick, and thought they could make a surgical move five picks down and still land one of them, trading with CHI. Wrong (they went in rapid succession with the next two picks to PHI and SEA). They disastrously settled for bust Pead, and the fifth round guard that prompted the move in the first place had weight problems and was cut before the season, never playing a down for the team. Adding insult to injury, CHI took Pro Bowl WR Alshon Jeffery with the vacated pick, and the Rams left Pro Bowl LB Lavonte David on the board, possibly because he was viewed as being "too small"? In 2013, they traded the WAS 1.22 to 1.30 (ATL took CB Marcus Trufant), taking starting LB Alec Ogletree, and yielding an extra 3.30 (WR3/4 Stedman Bailey) and 6.30 (packaged with another sixth round pick to trade up into the fifth round for 2013 and partial 2014 starting RB Zac Stacy). WAS imploded in 2013 due to an RG3 torn ACL injury and dysfunctional Mike Shanahan regime, so in a case of symmetry, the last legacy 2014 first round pick ended up being the 1.2, the same spot which kicked off the blockbuster trade in the first place. They took starting LT Greg Robinson.

The final tally from the trade*:

Brockers - starter
Jenkins - starter
Pead - ? ST player likely to be cut after a torn ACL ended his 2014 campaign early, massive dissapointment
Watkins - cut in 2012
Ogletree - starter B+, but technically can't grade for another year (as with Bailey and Stacy)
Bailey - WR3/4 B-/C+, possible future starter if Quick leaves in '16 and they don't draft somebody better
Stacy (actually one of the two sixths directly traced to the original trade) - former starter, now reserve C, had nearly 1,000 rushing yards as a rookie in just 12 games, albeit on volume and with limited explosiveness, already supplanted by 2014 third rounder Tre Mason, as well as UFA Benny Cunningham
Robinson - starter B+, see Ogletree, raw in pass pro, flashes dominant run blocking potential, freakish, generational athlete for a big man, more of a projection grade, revisit in 2017

So starters at all three levels of the defense, plus LT, and two reserves in Bailey and Stacy.

On a last sidebar, the Rams were oft criticized for continuing to back incumbent starting QB Bradford, instead of just taking RG3 themselves. With his injuries, struggles and being benched twice by two different HCs, this is not looking like as tenable a critique as it did three or even two years ago. They were also criticized for not using some of that multiple day one and day two draft picks windfall (counting, in some cases, trade downs of trade downs, they ended up with three firsts, two seconds and a third) on a developmental QB prospect to groom for the future. But PHI and Chip Kelly helped mitigate this last potential critique, as they leveraged Bradford (coming off of two straight torn ACLs) into starting QB Nick Foles, a 2016 second and bump from the fifth to fourth in 2015, not to mention a completely unexpected eight figures of salary cap relief. If Bradford is injured and misses the season, the Rams pay a conditional 2016 third, if he plays but less than 50% of the snaps, a conditional 2016 fourth, if he plays more than 50% of the snaps (or is traded) they owe nothing.

(Totals including RG3 trade in parentheses)
Players still with team: 6 (add four to this category [[so 10]] in Ogletree, Bailey, Stacy and Robinson)
Starters: 3-5, depending on if CB Johnson retains his job, and if you count K (5-7, add two to this in Ogletree and Robinson)
Potential future starters: 4-6 (6-8, see above Starters comments, plus add Bailey, could be as many as 8 starters - if a typical draft yields 2 starters on average, the 2012 draft, augmented by and amplified with the RG3 windfall, may end up effectively manufacturing 4 X that number)
Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Brockers has emerged as a solid starter, probably not Pro Bowl material. He plays more of a classic NT role, as an early down run stuffer and block eater, a position that doesn't usually rack up stats and gain a lot of notoriety, but enables his teammates to make plays and is very important and valuable to the scheme as a whole. ESPN beat reporter Nick Wagoner has already stated they are expected to pick up his fifth year option. Quick was looking like an epic, colossal bust before last year (an athletic, talented small school prospect with attendant level of competition and delayed development concerns which proved on the mark - think Jerome Simpson, who didn't "break out" until season three). Possibly due to vet, free agent big WR Kenny Britt taking him under his wing, he broke out in a big way, flashed impressive skills and was their most productive WR until a season-ending shoulder injury shelved him. He is in an important contract year, and the injury was complicated, so may keep him out of OTAs until training camp. Like any Rams WR, evaluation is complicated by the fact that they have been forced to play with backup QBs for the past season and a half. I was surprised when ex-TB HC Schiano (on ESPN or NFL Network) stated he would have taken Jenkins in the top 10 overall in a recent 2012 draft do-over segment. A stat noted his 6 defensive TDs since 2012 are the most in the NFL (two other players had 4). That is a little deceiving, in that I think 4-5 were from an admittedly very good rookie season, when he looked like a future elite playmaker. Since then, his play has been inconsistent, at times erratic in coverage, previously more prone to guessing, getting burnt and giving up big plays, too much cushion and open field tackling allergies, with sub-optimal size at 5'10", 200 lbs. Also in a contract year, I don't see them breaking the bank for him in 2016 (definitely not tagging him), perhaps re-signing him at the right price, wouldn't be a surprise to see another team valuing him more. He represented a lot of character, off-field risk at the time, too, but has generally stayed out of trouble (some scouts thought he was as good a man cover CB as there was in the draft, including Claiborne, otherwise he might have been a top 10-15 pick). Pead has been a catastrophic pick and unmitigated disaster by any measure, especially when viewed through the lens of their possibly instead having LBs Kendricks or Wagner. Ouch. CB Trumaine Johnson gradually emerged as a starter (like Quick, a small school prospect, in his case from Montana, where Jeff Fisher's son also played DB), but after a knee injury last year in pre-season, stellar rookie sixth rounder E.J. Gaines started most of the year, and he may have to earn his job back. Also in a contract year, not sure they would let BOTH Jenkins and Johnson walk, the latter offers better size at 6'2", 210 lbs., and the collegiate cross-trained safety is a more physical and surer tackler. So even if beat out by Gaines this year, he could reemerge as a starter in 2016. Givens, like Jenkins, may have peaked in 2012 (he had a 50+ yard reception in five straight games, breaking a rookie record held by former CHI great and Olympic caliber hurdler Willie Gault, which stood for about three decades). Not an adept route runner, doesn't have great hands, a well rounded skill set or complete game, has been too much of a one trick pony deep threat. Again like Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson and also 2013 first Ogletree, he represented some character red flags and off field concerns, but they have generally avoided incident (except for a hiccup a few years ago). Watkins was cut almost immediately due to a weight problem, as noted above. Greg "The Leg"/"Legatron" Zuerlein got off to an outstanding start, especially distance-wise, has since been somewhat inconsistent, but remains the starter, and the team thought enough of him to give him an extension. Brown bounced around on the roster as a reserve for a while. Richardson actually started in some games during 2012 and 2013, but washed out, par for the course with a seventh rounder. I think Scruggs never made the roster.

If you factor in the RG3 trade into the 2012 draft (how can you not :) ), and the Rams skirting potential disaster TWICE by not taking the injury-prone and underachieving QB, and again when JAX "sniped" troubled, unemployed alcoholic WR Blackmon, the trade worked out extremely well in helping fill out a roster largely devoid of talent on both sides of the ball. I think Fisher and Snead inherited a team that was 15-65 (.1875%) in the previous five seasons, which may have been not only the worst half decade stretch in NFL history, but one of the worst stretches ever in professional sports, period - after long time Harlem Globetrotter patsies, the Washington Generals? While no Pro Bowlers have been generated from the trade (yet), to fully and properly evauate the trade under the terms set forth here (after three years), we will have to wait until 2016 for Ogletree and Bailey, and 2017 for Robinson, in order to tally the final reckoning on the trade. Kind of like the gift that keeps on giving.

Negatives: Pead. Quick took a long time to develop. Unclear if second and third round CBs Jenkins or Johnson have played well enough to be be retained long term. More quantity than quality. Fisher and Snead have not drafted as many immediate difference makers as division rivals SEA and ARI during their tenure (though Robinson and Ogletree have high ceilings and upside, especially the former, 2014 second overall pick). But the numbers and roster turnover may finally be starting to reveal a cumulative, incremental impact, notably on defense, where the Rams were top 5 in the second half of last season, by metrics such as scoring defense (16.8 - 5th), rushing yards allowed per game (84.4 - 4th), sacks (26 - tied 4th) and takeaways (15 - tied 6th).

Grade: A- (when factoring in all the starters on both sides of the ball from the RG3 bounty)

* 2014 WAS pre-game coin flip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1c2xiVvPY4

 
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Indianapolis Colts:

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International

Josh Chapman DT Alabama

Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

LaVon Brazill WR Ohio

Justin Anderson T Georgia

Tim Fugger DE Vanderbilt

Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois

Rate this one an A+

Starters- 5/10

Positives- Luck, TY, Fleener, and Allen all firmly planted as starters

Negatives- Ballard hurt by injuries, Brazill a pothead, and the later picks were trash as expected.
If the Colts had won the Super Bowl the previous year, picking from 32 instead of 1, and traded their entire draft for Luck alone, it still probably would have been an A+ draft. He is that good. TY, Fleener and Allen are the icing and decorations on the cake.

* Freelove alluded to this, I agree with his post #15.

 
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Picks: Round 1 (9): Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College

Round 2 (40): Amini Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State

Round 4 (103): Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma

Round 4 (104): Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas

Round 5 (143): Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina

Round 6 (207): Brad Nortman, P, Wisconsin

Round 7 (216): D.J. Campbell, FS, California

Players still with team: 5
Starters: 4
Potential future starters: 1
Pro-bowls: 2

Positives: Kuechly all by himself makes this draft. He's been fantastic and a monster on defense. For a 5th and 6th round, a starting CB and P is pretty solid. Four starters including a multi-year pro-bowler and a decent backup isn't a bad draft. If Alexander and Silatolu are healthy this year, it is a solid draft.

Negatives: Honestly, not that many. 4 starters and Alexander has potential. The biggest negative is that Alexander and Silatolu have been hurt. Silatolu has been a starter every time he's been healthy. They both missed most of 2014, so their results are a little incomplete.

Grade: B+


 
Interesting to gain some perspective on realistic expectations of what makes a good/average/bad draft. Thanks to all for sharing your thoughts in these threads over the past few years.

 
I'm gonna do some cherry picking, but this about sums it up.


looks like we have our pick of OTs here. also, who the hell is Brian Quick?
I had him to the Browns in my final mock in the third round. He's a deep threat I figured they needed.
FINAL Fensalk Browns Mock: 1.04 RB Trent Richardson 1.22 OT Johnathan Martin 2.04 CB Jayron Hosley - a team that makes CB a priority has to love this guy, so just a hunch here. 3.04 WR Brian Quick 4.04 DE prospect
Browns picked a lineman in the 2nd. They also picked linemen last year with their 1st and 2nd. Has that earned BGP's approval? Or should they have picked a lineman at 22 as well?
A long snapper would've been a better pick at 22.
Honestly, the scouting report on Weeden makes him sound like the second coming of Derek Anderson. He has a good arm, but will force balls into tight coverage. He will throw a lot of interceptions because he is overconfident in his arm strength. Also not very mobile. I envision the 2012 Browns as Richardson giving us a better chance to win some games, but Weeden will cost us some winnable with terrible interceptions. That will be the source of the frustration, and the comparisons to Anderson will start. Fans will get tire of Weeden because they've seen this problem before recently and it didn't work out last time.
He has better touch on the short throws, but yea, the rest of his game is very DA-esque, unfortunately.
 
San Francisco 49ers:

Picks:

Round 1 (30): AJ Jenkins, WR, Illinois

Round 2 (61): LaMichael James RB Oregon

Round 4 (117): Joe Looney C/OG Wake forest

Round 4 (165): Darius Fleming , OLB Notre Dame

Round 6 (180): Trent Robinson S, Michigan State

Round 6 (199): Jason Slowey T, West Oregon

Round 7 (237): Cam Johnson OLB Virginia

Players still with team: 1
Starters: 0
Potential future starters: 0
Pro-bowls: 0


Oooooooooooooooooooof. Way to follow 2011 up with THIS mess. Grade F -.

Only player that remains on the roster is Looney, who started some last year after Boone went on IR, and filled in throughout 2014. To sum up his season:

Looney has filled in at both guard and center this season, appearing on offense in 12 games and starting three. He has struggled though, his -11.2 overall grade and 94.3 PBE compare unfavorably with those of Boone.
Just read through those names again.. Seriously, wtf.

 
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San Francisco 49ers:

Picks:

Round 1 (30): AJ Jenkins, WR, Illinois

Round 2 (61): LaMichael James RB Oregon

Round 4 (117): Joe Looney C/OG Wake forest

Round 4 (165): Darius Fleming , OLB Notre Dame

Round 6 (180): Trent Robinson S, Michigan State

Round 6 (199): Jason Slowey T, West Oregon

Round 7 (237): Cam Johnson OLB Virginia

Players still with team: 1

Starters: 0

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 0

Oooooooooooooooooooof. Way to follow 2011 up with THIS mess. Grade F -.

Only player that remains on the roster is Looney, who started some last year after Boone went on IR, and filled in throughout 2014. To sum up his season:

Looney has filled in at both guard and center this season, appearing on offense in 12 games and starting three. He has struggled though, his -11.2 overall grade and 94.3 PBE compare unfavorably with those of Boone.
Just read through those names again.. Seriously, wtf.
Wow, that might be worse than the Jags draft.

 
Giants

1.32 - David Wilson - Bane broke his back in a fight and last I heard he was racing water buffalo in Southeast Asia.

2.63 - Rueben Randle - He runs in a straight line really well. His best part of being on the team is being a part of the conversation in convincing the Giants to draft Beckham.

3.94 - Jayron Hosley - Heh... hehe

4.127 - Adrien 'The JPP of TEs' Robinson - Dear lord, what a draft

4.131 - Brandon Mosley - Lawls

6.201 - Matt McCants - I honestly don't even know anymore

7.239 - Markus Kuhn - KUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN... oh wait nevermind wrong Kuhn

Is it possible to get a G-?

 
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Wow, those drafts by the Giants and 49ers (especially the 49ers) really show you that getting a few solid starters and even just one stud in a draft is a job well done.

 
Washington Redskins

Round 1 (2) - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor

Round 3 (71) - Josh LeRibeus, OL, SMU

Round 4 (102) - Kirk Cousins, QB Michigan St

Round 4 (119) - Keenan Robinson, LB Texas

Round 5 (141) - Adam Gettis, OL Iowa

Round 6 (173) - Alfred Morris, RB Florida Atlantic

Round 6 (193) - Tom Compton, OL South Dakota

Round 7 (213) - Richard Crawford, CB SMU

Round 7 (217) - Jordan Bernstine, DB Iowa

Players still with team: 7

Starters: 3

Potential future starters: 1

Pro Bowls: 3 (Griffin - 1, Morris - 2)

Positives: Well, during 2012 it looked like Griffin and Morris were going to be the future of the Redskins. Griffin was ROY and Morris had a very good case for also being ROY in 2012. Keenan Robinson looks to be a solid ILB for the Skins going forward after a breakout 2014 season. Crawford had a big punt return for the Skins in 2012 to help them knock off the Ravens during the Skins 7-game winning streak. Cousins has shown flashes, but nothing consistently.

Negatives: We all know all about RG3 at this point. Was the trade up worth it? At this moment, no. He hasn't been able to recapture the magic of 2012 and is now at the end of his rookie deal and a big decision for the FO on whether to pick up his option or not. Cousins has show moments of potential only to follow it up but total crap. Same boat as RG3 in that he is also in the final year of his rookie deal. Both OL the Skins drafted have been busts, especially at a position of great need for the team.

Grade: C. If for no other reason that in 2012, 2 of the biggest stars of the team came from this class. It propelled them to their 1st division title since 1999. Still alot to be determined with what happens with Griffin this year. The trade seemed to be worth it at the time, but it doesn't look so hot right now. Although, for all the praise the Rams get for the trade, they haven't seen any results on the field because of it.

 
Washington Redskins

Players still with team: 7

Starters: 3

Potential future starters: 1

Pro Bowls: 3 (Griffin - 1, Morris - 2)

Grade: C
This feels a bit harsh. IMO Washington had a much better than "average" draft that year.
I really had no idea how to grade this one. Like I said, coming out of 2012, this looked like a A+ draft with Griffin and Morris being the center pieces of the offense. Since then, Griffin has not been the same guy since ACL surgery and Morris has had his numbers decrease the last 2 seasons. Cousins seems like a wasted pick now, espeically if neither of these QBs are here in 2016. Robinson looks to be a solid guy, but he's only done it for one season. The rest of the draft is nothing special. It pretty much hinges on RG3. If he gets back to his 2012 self, it could easily be an A. But if he fails again this season and is gone, then it looks like a total disaster. I almost wanted to give the grade of Incomplete.

 
Indianapolis Colts:

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International

Josh Chapman DT Alabama

Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

LaVon Brazill WR Ohio

Justin Anderson T Georgia

Tim Fugger DE Vanderbilt

Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois

Rate this one an A+

Starters- 5/10

Positives- Luck, TY, Fleener, and Allen all firmly planted as starters

Negatives- Ballard hurt by injuries, Brazill a pothead, and the later picks were trash as expected.
I guess when you get the top pick you get better players, but disagree with A+, it was good in the top half but not so great in the 2nd. I'd suggest an A without the +.

 
Indianapolis Colts:

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International

Josh Chapman DT Alabama

Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

LaVon Brazill WR Ohio

Justin Anderson T Georgia

Tim Fugger DE Vanderbilt

Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois

Rate this one an A+

Starters- 5/10

Positives- Luck, TY, Fleener, and Allen all firmly planted as starters

Negatives- Ballard hurt by injuries, Brazill a pothead, and the later picks were trash as expected.
I guess when you get the top pick you get better players, but disagree with A+, it was good in the top half but not so great in the 2nd. I'd suggest an A without the +.
Agree with your assessment. Luck is fantastic, but that wasn't a great pick, it was just luck/a good job tanking. The rest of the draft was OK. If they somehow didn't get Luck, I don't think Fleener/Allen/Hilton would really be doing much at all with an average QB.

 
Thanks to *&*6*&! Roger Goodell the Saints 2012 draft began as a disaster, with the 1st and 2nd round picks both gone, and the team is still trying to recover from this horrendous effort with what was left.

3.89 Akiem Hicks - a starter at DE, he has tons of athleticism and promise but did not fully deliver when he was most needed and trusted this year. - B-

4.122 Nick Toon - 21/283/1 in 3 seasons, he enters 2015 on the bubble and has never been the sleeper grab in the 4th that everyone wanted to see. - C-

5.162 - Corey White - CB/S - supposedly came with ballhawk skills but as a practical matter he was frequently toasted, a liability on the field. Now in Dallas. - C-

6.179 Andrew Tiller - G/C - Project, never reached the size to crack even swing guard status. - D

7. 234 - Marcel Jones - T - Boy he looks great, can't block a damn thing. - D-

Overall, I'd say a C-, and the Saints are still suffering from what is basically a near zero draft, though Hicks has been good though not spectacular.

 
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Green Bay Packers 2012 draft

1.28 Nick Perry LB USC

2.19 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

2.30 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt

4.37 Mike Daniels DT Iowa

4.38 Jeron McMillian DB Maine

5.28 Terrell Manning LB NC State

7.34 Andrew Datko OT Florida State

7.36 BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga

Grade: D+
Yes pretty much a wasted year. Mike Daniels is a decent player on a crappy d.
I guess this shows how spoiled we are, as Richardson and Barclay are still on the team as well, and Dezman Moses had 4 sacks as a rookie (2012 UDFAs).

Overall it is disappointing this draft didn't improve the defense. But Bishop's (effectively) career-ending injury, plus Collins confirmed retirement, sucked more.

 
Oakland Raiders 2012 Draft

3.32 Tony Bergstrom G Utah (Currently with the Raiders)

4.34 Miles Burris LB San Diego State (Currently with the Raiders)

5.23 Jack Crawford DE Penn State (Currently with the Cowboys)

5.33 Juron Criner WR Arizona (Currently with the Giants)

6.19 Christo Bilukidi DE Georgia State (Currently with the Ravens)

7.23 Nathan Stupor LB Penn State (Currently with the Falcons)

Players still with team: 2

Starters: 0

Potential Future Starters: 0

Pro-Bowls: 0

Positives: Not much. This was a horrible draft class for the Raiders. It didn't help that the Raiders didn't have a pick in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds until they got a compensatory pick at the end of round three. Not having 1st and 2nd round picks really hurt the Raiders that year.

Negatives: A whole lot. No starters out of this draft class and one ok backup in Miles Burris and all the rest have been garbage. Even though Miles Burris started the entire season at MLB he was rated as one of the worst in the league.

Grade: F. Is an F- even possible?

Edit to add that the best pickup for the Raiders that year was undrafted rookie free agent Rod Streater WR Temple.

 
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WORLD CHAMPION NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

1 (21) moved up from 27 to get DE/OLB chandler jones

stud

1 (25) moved up from 31 to get LB hightower

stud

2 (48) got this from oakland in 2011 trade - S tavon wilson

led team in special teams snaps + dime DB

2 (62) traded

3 (90) got this pick from the packers by trading out of 62 - DL jake bequette

PS last year, probably bust

3 (93) traded

4 (126) traded

5 (163) traded for then away

5 (166) traded for WR ochocinco

no longer with team

6 (197) got this pick from the packers by giving back the 163 that they got in the above bequette trade - S nate ebner

5th most special teams snaps in 2014

6 (200) traded for LB tracy white

no longer with team

7 (223) traded for and away

7 (224) originally from jets through the packers from above trades - CB alfonzo dennard

starter for a bit, injured, role reduced last year with browner + revis signings, future unknown

7 (235) from packers in above trades - WR jeremy ebert

no longer with team

7 (238) traded for S jarrad page

no longer with team

UDFA signings

RB Brandon Bolden - tied with pro bowler slater for 2nd in special teams snaps 2014

2 defensive studs

3 core special teamers

1 corner as a possible contributor

 
Bothers me that every major media outlet continues to waste time grading the most recent draft. What a waste. Be better than them. Grade your team's draft from 2012.

Doing this each year has given me a much more realistic idea of what a "good" draft looks like. Expecting the guys you get in rounds 4 and 5 to be contributing starters isn't very practical.

 
Jacksonville Jaguars 2012 draft

1.5 (TRADE): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

2.6: Andre Branch, DE, Clemson

3.7: Bryan Anger, P, California

5.7: Brandon Marshall, LB, Nevada

6.6: Mike Harris, CB, Florida State

7.21: Jeris Pendleton, DT, Ashland

Players still with team: 2.5

Starters: 0

Potential future starters: 1 (For someone else)

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: There aren't any positives to list here. Seriously, there are none.

Negatives: Where to start? This draft is was a disaster on several levels. Justin Blackmon's status is well known. I don't think he's ever going to make it back. Even if he did, I don't expect him to play really well given the amount of time he's been away from the game. Andre Branch has no bend and most of his sacks are schemed. Brandon Marshall seemed to work out for the Broncos, which doesn't help the Jags at all. Which brings me to the Bryan Anger pick. A punter selected in the third round over Russell Wilson. Jags fans are still haunted by this. Gene Smith was the worst. The worst.

Grade: F-
Silver lining with this draft? It was Gene Smith's last.

 
Bears

1.19 - Shea McClellin

2.13 - Alshon Jeffery

3.16 - Brandon Hardin

4.16 - Evan Rodriguez

6.14 - Isaiah Frey

7.13 - Greg McCoy

Players still with team: 2

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 1

Pro-bowls: 1

Positives: Nice to pick up a WR1 in Jeffery in the 2nd round, hopefully his poor work ethic (the reason he fell in the draft) doesn't return when he signs his next contract. McClellin is a bust, I don't care what anyone says. If he amounts to anything it needs to be during the upcoming season where he *may* start under the new regime. Shea was a rush OLB in a 3-4 at Boise State who the Bears slated to transition into a 4-3 end. What is it with the Bears that makes them draft a guy and immediately change his position? Tinkering like this is acceptable at times, but with 1st round picks? These draft picks need to start from day 1.

Negatives: Shea McClellin. Brandon Hardin as just another sucky safety the Bears have drafted in the 3rd round in the past few years (Hardin - Conte - Wright; also Vereen but he was a 4th rounder).

Grade: C-/D+

I think if you get a pro bowler in the draft it's tough to consider the entire draft a failure. If McClellin gives us anything on defense I would give us a C-.
Wow. Looking back at that I forgot how terrible it was. Jeffery was about it unless McClellin becomes a stud this year.

 
Green Bay Packers 2012 draft

1.28 Nick Perry LB USC

2.19 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

2.30 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt

4.37 Mike Daniels DT Iowa

4.38 Jeron McMillian DB Maine

5.28 Terrell Manning LB NC State

7.34 Andrew Datko OT Florida State

7.36 BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 2

Potential future starters: 2

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Getting 2 quality starters in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds is good. Lots of teams botch those picks. Casey Hayward looked stellar as a rookie, then struggled with injuries. But he's shown he can play. Mike Daniels has been a very solid starter on the D-line.

Negatives: Nick Perry was a bad pick from the beginning. And we all knew it. He was a tweener who was a better fit at DE, but we took him in the 1st and tried to fit him into a 3-4 OLB. (like we didn't already learn that lesson with Aaron Kampman.....fike) Jerel Worthy was a terrible, blown 2nd round pick. We could say it was injuries, but he looked lazy & lost from the beginning. Again, something we should have known. When will teams stop drafting "low motor" defensive linemen? It just doesn't work. Most of this draft class is off the team - and let's face it, most of them are out of the NFL. That says it all.

Grade: D+
Little harsh... I think it's more in the C range. Hayward and Daniels that late, given their performance/potential, were home runs. Not his best draft, but I don't think it was that much below average for an NFL draft. First round busts alone are in the ~40% range, second round closer to 50%. The fact that two of the first three picks were hits is above average.

At the time, Perry was the obvious pick. Everyone had him going to the Packers. He had the length/speed to close in on the running QBs that were all the rage a few years ago, but the size to take on edge blockers.

It sure would have been nice to use that Perry pick on one of the 2nd round LBs, though .... look at all those great ILBs .... Bobby Wagner, Lavante David, Mychal Kendricks, Zach Brown, Courtney Upshaw. Man, I would take any of those guys right now over Perry, and it would completely solidify our LB core against the run.
Would agree with a lot of this.

Would like to go back to the draft and see how many thought Perry was really bad at the time...or Worthy.

And I think Daniels makes this draft ok...Hayward can make it a bit better than OK and its more like a typical Thompson draft.

Get picks...throw a bunch at the wall, and hope 2-3 are quality starters years down the road.

Also...Perry, while not first round great at all...has come on to at least contribute some at this point. So not full on bust level. He and Neal being able to platoon some at OLB give them the chance to move Clay inside.

 

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