Grade your team's draft from 2009 (1 Viewer)

Instead of complaining that draft grades are pointless until three years, what say we choose to be productive?

If you wish to participate please include the following:

1. List of drafted players. LINK to DraftHistory.com

2. Players still with team

3. Starters

4. Potential future starters

5. Pro-bowls

6. Positives

7. Negatives

8. Grade

Seattle Seahawks 2009 draft

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest

2 Max Unger C Oregon

3 Deon Butler WR Penn State

4 Mike Teel QB Rutgers

5 Courtney Greene DB Rutgers

6 Nick Reed DE Oregon

7 Cameron Morrah TE California

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Unger is becoming a solid piece of a good young offensive line. Reed wowed some people in preseasons games making big plays, but that never translated to a real game. Morrah has become a dependable backup receiving TE. Butler is still on the roster, but he's behind BMW, Rice, Tate, Baldwin, and Obomanu. I have doubts he will be on the roster when the 2012 regular season starts.



Negatives: Curry was a bust. Measurables were off the chart, but he played with no instincts and was a poor tackler. I lost count of the number of times Curry tried to put a big hit a player that just bounced off and kept moving forward. The sad part was every draft pundit titled Curry with the "can't miss" tag calling him the safest pick in the draft. Seattle traded him to the Raiders for two late round picks (took JR Sweezy in the 7th this year and still have another pick in 2013 from the trade).

Grade: F

Vikings

1.22 Percy Harvin WR Florida

2.54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma

3.86 Asher Allen DB Georgia

5.150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina

7.231 Jamarca Sanford DB Mississippi

Players till with team - 5

Starters - 2/5

Potential future starters - 0

Pro Bowls - 1 (alternate)

Positives: All have contributed some. Harvin is one of the top all-purpose players in the league. Loadholt has been a fixture at RT, but could play better. It looks like Brinkley will be the starter in the middle. Allen and Sandford have been on/off starters.

Negatives: Allen and Sandford haven't really brought much when they've played. Loadholt is just so-so. Brinkley might not have the skills required for the scheme.

Grade: B+

Houston Texans 2009 draft

1 Brian Cushing LB USC

2 Connor Barwin DE/LB Cincinnati

3 Antoine Caldwell C/G Alabama

4 Glover Quin CB/S New Mexico

4 Anthony Hill TE NC State

5 James Casey TE/HB/FB Rice

6 Brice McCain CB Utah

7 Troy Nolan S Arizona State

Players still with team: 7

Starters: 4-5

Potential future starters: 0-1

Pro-bowls: 1

Positives: This draft rivals the 2006 draft as the best in Texans history. They drafted an exceptional player in Cushing, a very, very good player in Barwin, and solid players in Quin, Casey, and McCain. Further, Nolan and Caldwell have contributed to the team.

Cushing and Barwin are core starters on one of the best defenses in the NFL and both have multi-pro bowl potential. Quin is an entrenched starter at SS and McCain had an extremely good season at nickel after an extremely poor second season. Casey has been a good utility player for the Texans, starting some at FB. Nolan comes in when Wade goes 3 S and contributes on ST



Negatives: Anthony Hill never panned out and is a part of Kubiak's legacy of selecting TE's. He is the only player no longer with the team. Caldwell has been a disappointment and, though currently slated to start at RG, could, and probably will, be beat out by a rookie.

Grade: A

DHB

Mike Mitchell

Matt Schaughnessy

Louis Murphy

Slade Norris

Stryker sulak

Brandon myers

Still with team. 5/7

Starters 4/5

Pro bowls - 0

Positives: all have started and contributed. Schaughnessy so far is the best of the class. DHB finally showed some signs of life with cambell, but vanished at the end of the year.

Negatives: mostly all of them have performed at a very average level. DHB is approaching bust status if he doesn't get in groove with Palmer the way he was last year with cambell. Mitchell was a huge reach that isn't panning out. Murphy and myers are decent but often disappear for long stretches.

Grade C+

Packers

1.09 BJ Raji

1.26 Clay Matthews

3.09 TJ Lang

4.09 Quinn Johnson

5.26 Jamon Meredith

6.09 Jarius Wynn

7.14 Brandon Underwood

Still with team 4/7

Starters 3/7

Pro-bowls 4

Johnson, Meredith and Underwood no longer with them. Johnson was traded to the Titans last year (I don't even recall what they got for him...may have been a draft pick they used to trade up late in the draft this year)

Raji and Matthews are the obvious big time gems that have started since their rookie years. Lang was mostly a tackle backup until last year he started at left guard and played well there.

Wynn has been a rotational guy and is nothing special on the D line.

Grade: A (getting the impact player of Matthews and then Raji and Lang as well makes this a very good draft)

'DA RAIDERS said:

DHBMike MitchellMatt SchaughnessyLouis MurphySlade NorrisStryker sulakBrandon myersStill with team. 5/7Starters 4/5Pro bowls - 0Positives: all have started and contributed. Schaughnessy so far is the best of the class. DHB finally showed some signs of life with cambell, but vanished at the end of the year. Negatives: mostly all of them have performed at a very average level. DHB is approaching bust status if he doesn't get in groove with Palmer the way he was last year with cambell. Mitchell was a huge reach that isn't panning out. Murphy and myers are decent but often disappear for long stretches. Grade C+

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Round 1: Darrius Heyward-Bey – WR – MarylandCertainly hasn’t lived up to expectations of the #1 WR taken off the 2009 draft board, and many consider DHB an unqualified bust. Nicks, Harvin, Britt, Wallace all taken later have to be considered the baseline. But the true comp is Michael Crabtree, who also is underperforming compared to his draft status. DHB is a skilled blocker, adequate route runner, and has an explosive first step and run-from-the-cops speed. But his ball catching skills & instincts may never materialize with the consistency that Al Davis had hoped. Still, he’s one of the hardest working wideouts in the NFL, and if he doesn’t progress from his almost 1,000 yard 2011 season, it won’t be for lack of discipline. Round 2: Mike Mitchell – S – OhioAnother pick that was universally panned as a “reach”. Mitchell’s going into the 2012 season fighting for a roster spot, weak in coverage and seemingly always out of position. Bust..Round 3: Matt Shaughnessy – DE – WisconsinShaughnessy, better known as “shonasty” to Raider fans is probably the Raiders best D-Lineman, when healthy, manning the 4-3 set RDE. He sets the edge on running plays and breaks down pockets on passing plays. He is a true 3 down lineman, and is tough as nails, but has been prone to injury. If not for the injury-prone tag, this is a draft gem found in the 3rd round of 2009 and the pick of the draft.Round 4: Louis Murphy – WR – FloridaEnjoyed a “breakout” rookie campaign, but has since regressed since injuring his shoulder. Seems to have caught “alligator-arm-titis”. Goes into camp fighting for a roster spot. Given where he was drafted, still a good value.Round 4: Slade Norris – OLB – Oregon StateBust who has since bounced around to several other teams and is currently a Detroit Lion.Round 5: Pick Traded to Atlanta (Who Trades it to Dallas)Round 6: Stryker Sulak – LB/DE – MissouriBust with a cool name who never even made it to training camp.Round 6: Brandon Myers – TE – IowaBlocking TE and decent ST player. Still on the roster as part of a 3 headed TEBC. Not a bad find for the late 6th round.Overall grade: C-, Shaughnessy is the only stud from this class worth mentioning at this time. Not a terrible draft class, but could have been much better.

Eagles

1 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri

2 LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh

5 Cornelius Ingram TE Florida

5 Victor Harris DB Virginia Tech

5 Fenuki Tupou T Oregon

6 Brandon Gibson WR Washington State

7 Paul Fanaika G Arizona State

7 Moise Fokou LB Maryland

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 2

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 2?

Positives: McCoy is the best by far. Maclin is good but still can improve and become great, time will tell. Had a 2nd #1 pick traded for Jason Peters so that is a big positive also. Harris was a starter at Safety for a while but petered out quickly. Fokou actually started a few games and has been a solid ST contributer. Gibson was looking like a steal but was quickly traded to the Rams.

Negatives: Ingram was injury prone in college, and just as he was starting to show something in preseason got injured again and hasn't played since. Tupou and Fanaika never played a down before being cut. Harris also belongs here.

Grade: Solid B especially if you factor in Jason Peters and the fact they had no 3rd or 4th round picks.

Eagles

This was a very memorable draft

Round 1 (19) - WR Jeremy Maclin

Pound 2 (53) - RB LeSean McCoy

Round 5 (153) - TE Cornelius Ingram

Round 5 (157) - CB/S Macho Harris

Round 5 (159) - OT Fenuki Tupou

Round 6 (194) - WR Brandon Gibson

Round 7 (213) - OG Paul Fanaika

Round 7 (230) - LB Moise Fokou

Still with the team - 3

Starters - 2

Potential future starters - 2

Pro Bowls - 1

The McCoy pick is probably the best pick by any team in the entire draft. He might even be the best player to come out of this draft class when all is said and done.

The Maclin pick was solid - but just about any WR drafted in 2009 has been good as long as they weren't picked by the Cleveland Browns. At the time, I remember lots of comments about how we jumped over the Giants to get Maclin. I guess Nicks wasn't a bad consolation prize.

The rest of the draft the Eagles spent trading down, harvesting picks, and taking shots on players like Ingram that didn't pan out. They also added Ellis Hobbs through a trade, and eventually traded Gibson for Will Witherspoon. This was also the draft where they landed Peters from the Bills. Fokou has started some, but only because the Eagles LBers were terrible.

I give it an A-. Nitpicking, but ideally you'd like to find more players that can play a role on your team. And you have to wonder whether the lack of defensive talent that they got in this draft has hurt them the last few years.

Washington Redskins 2009 Draft

1.13 Brian Orakpo LB Texas

3.16 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland

5.22 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska

6.13 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian

7.12 Eddie Williams TE Idaho

7.34 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada

Players still with team: 2

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 2

Positives: Pulling a talent like Orakpo out of the 13th pick was outstanding. While he was originally drafted as a 4-3 DE, he has transitioned well to Jim Haslett's 3-4 D. While he has averaged 9.5 sacks/season over his first 3 years, the expectation would be to have that average in the double digits. Considering the position change and learning curve he went through during the defensive scheme change, that's probably a decent number, to date. Going forward, the OLB tandem of Orakpo and Kerrigan has tremendous potential to wreak havoc on opposing offensives. Some of that future potential was exhibited in the last couple of games of the '11 season when the two were moved around the line to disguise plays/blitzes/etc. Kevin Barnes is still on the roster and has served as a backup/nickel corner.

Negatives: With few picks (most of which were in the 2nd half of the draft) it's hard to expect much from this draft class. But you would have expected something of worth after the 1st round. Kevin Barnes and Robert Henson were the only two players outside of Orakpo that stayed with the team past '09. Barnes has been a consistent backup, more so in his mere presence than in his playing ability. He has struggled at times just being a backup/nickel corner, and with the glut of DBs added to the roster this year, Barnes days as a 'Skin are likely numbered. Henson saw a little bit of PT in '09 and there was hope that he could learn and grow behind London Fletcher, but he spent 2010 on IR and was released before the '11 season. He is not currently on an NFL roster, nor is Marko Mitchell. Cody Glenn and Eddie Williams are currently on rosters (Ravens and Browns, respectively) after bouncing around a few other teams but don't appear to ever be more than backups/special teams players. Basically, only one significant player was pulled from this draft class.

Grade: C +

Orakpo is an "A-grade" player, but he's the only thing keeping this draft from being about an F-. You would have hoped to at least get a decent backup and/or special teamer out of the 5 other picks. Thanks, Vinny!

New England Patriots

2 34 Patrick Chung DB Oregon

2 40 Ron Brace DT Boston College

2 41 Darius Butler DB Connecticut

2 58 Sebastian Vollmer T Houston

3 83 Brandon Tate WR North Carolina

3 97 Tyrone McKenzie LB South Florida

4 123 Rich Ohrnberger G Penn State

5 170 George Bussey T Louisville

6 198 Jake Ingram C Hawaii

6 207 Myron Pryor DT Kentucky

7 232 Julian Edelman QB Kent State

7 234 Darryl Richard DT Georgia Tech

Players still with team: 4

Starters: 2

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Chung and Vollmer have been good; Edelman, in the 7th round, has been excellent value.

Negatives: Brace and Butler have been wasted picks. For the 2nd round, that is not a good. Two wasted 3rd round picks also. It's bad to not get value for picks this high.

Grade: C-, mostly given to the number of high picks.

NY Jets:

2009 1 1 5 5 Mark Sanchez QB USC

2 3 1 65 Shonn Greene RB Iowa

3 6 20 193 Matt Slauson G Nebraska

Still with team: 3

Starters: 3

Potential Future Stars: TBD

Pro Bowls: 0

Basically, they traded away so many picks, they only had three. All three are starters, but none are impact players against their peers at their respective positions. I guess I would give the draft a "B-", based on the fact that at #5 overall Sanchez should be faring better, and while a 3rd round RB is no guarantee, they really have not had much of a choice, but to start Greene (and we all know he has had his ups and downs). I think the grade would be a C if Slauson had not turned into a starter...great pick in the 6th round. Weird class to evaluate...

ETA: When you compare it to the draft of the Pats (12 picks) and only 4 are with the team today, and only 2 starters, they really "hit it", but you have to take into account what they gave up to get those guys (trading up for Sanchez and Greene)...sure, each is a starter, but in the end, they only got 3 players out of it (none of whom are great) and you can't survive in the long-run if that is the way you approach the draft.

'Andy Dufresne said:

Vikings1.22 Percy Harvin WR Florida2.54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma3.86 Asher Allen DB Georgia5.150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina7.231 Jamarca Sanford DB MississippiPlayers till with team - 5Starters - 2/5Potential future starters - 0Pro Bowls - 1 (alternate)Positives: All have contributed some. Harvin is one of the top all-purpose players in the league. Loadholt has been a fixture at RT, but could play better. It looks like Brinkley will be the starter in the middle. Allen and Sandford have been on/off starters.Negatives: Allen and Sandford haven't really brought much when they've played. Loadholt is just so-so. Brinkley might not have the skills required for the scheme.Grade: B+

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B+ ? Really? Grade inflation has hit FG's. You have only two starters (one of whom you declared "so so", and Percy has been MIA in to many games. At best a C.

'gonzobill5 said:

Eagles

This was a very memorable draft

Round 1 (19) - WR Jeremy Maclin

Pound 2 (53) - RB LeSean McCoy

The McCoy pick is probably the best pick by any team in the entire draft. He might even be the best player to come out of this draft class when all is said and done.

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Ugh. Thanks for reminding me of this:

'fatness said:

Draft day stories from Vinnie.

I remember one time we had a trade, we were in the second round and had a trade done. I called Stump Mitchell the running back coach, I said ‘Stump, I can trade right now, I can get the second-round pick. We can take Shady McCoy. Do you want him? I can get it done. We’re on the clock. I’m on the phone.’ He said, ‘No, I don’t want him.’ I said okay. I said I’m not trading for a guy if my position coach does not want the guy.”

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That, in and of itself, may make the 'Skins '09 draft deserving of an F grade.

Chicago Bears 2009 Draft

3(69) Jarron Gilbert DT

3(99) Juaquin Iglesias WR

4(105) Henry Melton DT

4(119) DJ Moore CB

5(140) Johnny Knox WR

5(154) Marcus Freeman LB

6(190) Al Afalava S

7(246) Lance Louis G

7(251) Derek Kinder WR

Players still with team: 4

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 1

Pro-bowls: 1

Positives: A large portion of this draft was traded for Jay Cutler, which was a huge win on draft day. Grabbing starting DT Henry Melton in the 4th round was key, as he provided 7 sacks this past season. DJ Moore is essentially a starter because he's the nickel CB. Perfect role for him because he's so quick, I'd say he's an above average nickel CB in the NFL. Johnny Knox made the pro bowl as a returner and was the Bears leading WR for awhile in his career(before his spine injury). Lance Louis was also a great find in the 7th round. He started 11 games at RT last year( and struggled, but could have a good future as a RG.

Negatives: Jarron Gilbert was a youtube sensation by jumping out of a pool...that's about the only positive thing he did in his entire career and flopped. Juaquin Iglesias is the second Oklahoma WR to flop in Chicago, Mark Bradley the first. Marcus Freeman never developed as a backup LB. Al Afalava started many games his rookie season and was hyped as a possible great fit in the cover 2 scheme. However, that hype didn't last long nor did his career in Chicago.

Grade: B-

With two third round flops it really hurts Chicago's grade. However adding in Cutler with Melton/Moore/Knox/Louis...it upgrades it to a better draft for Jerry Angelo

Chicago Bears 2009 draft (* player still with team)

3 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State

3 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma

4 Henry Melton DE Texas *

4 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt *

5 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian *

5 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State

6 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

7 Lance Louis G San Diego State *

7 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

Players still with team: 4

Starters: 2-3

Potential future starters: 0-1

Pro-bowls: 1

Positives: Johny Knox is an impact WR thanks to his speed and along with Hester makes special team returns worth watching. He will never be physical enough to be the #1 WR but his speed makes him a good complimentary piece to the passing game. Henry Melton is a solid player who quietly had the 3rd most DT sacks last year. That might be his career year, but there also might be some improvement left too. D.J. Moore and Lance Louis are solid depth players who probably won't become regular starters without the help of injuries, but again there is still potential for improvement.



Negatives: Jarron "pool jumper" Gilbert has played in only 5 career NFL games and amassed 2 tackles. Juan Iglesias' NFL career consists of being active for 1 game with 0 receptions for 0 yards. Marcus Freeman has played in 0 NFL games. Al Afalava was a fringe depth player who is trying to stay in the NFL. Derek Kinder never played a game in the NFL.

Grade: Thanks to not having a first or second round pick due to the Cutler trade the expectations need to be lowered for this draft class. Hitting a home run with their 5th round choice of Knox is really the Bears only saving grace, and even it can't erase the complete bust of their first two selections. C-

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'Andy Dufresne said:

Vikings

Grade: B+

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B+ ? Really? Grade inflation has hit FG's. You have only two starters (one of whom you declared "so so", and Percy has been MIA in to many games. At best a C.

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Only two starters? I guess that begs the question, what are people's expectations from a draft class? If 2 starters and 3 backups (100% of the picks, in this case) is "average", how many starters/players still on roster are necessary for an A grade?

Miami Dolphins:

2009 1 1 25 25 Vontae Davis DB Illinois

2 2 12 44 Pat White QB West Virginia

3 2 29 61 Sean Smith DB Utah

4 3 23 87 Patrick Turner WR USC

5 4 8 108 Brian Hartline WR Ohio State

6 5 25 161 John Nalbone TE Monmouth

7 5 29 165 Chris Clemons DB Clemson

8 6 8 181 Andrew Gardner T Georgia Tech

9 7 5 214 J.D. Folsom LB Weber State

2. Players still with team

Vonte Davis

Sean Smith

Brian Hartline

Chris Clemons

3. Starters

Vonte Davis

Sean Smith

Brian Hartline

4. Potential future starters

Chris Clemons*

5. Pro-bowls

None (as yet) although I could see Davis making it some day...

6. Positives

Starting CBs for the forseeable future, a decent serviceble starter at WR and Clemons may be a starter this year.

7. Negatives

Pat White!!!!!

8. Grade

C+ Sean Smith needs to get better for this grade to go up...

'smackdaddies said:

'Andy Dufresne said:

Vikings1.22 Percy Harvin WR Florida2.54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma3.86 Asher Allen DB Georgia5.150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina7.231 Jamarca Sanford DB MississippiPlayers till with team - 5Starters - 2/5Potential future starters - 0Pro Bowls - 1 (alternate)Positives: All have contributed some. Harvin is one of the top all-purpose players in the league. Loadholt has been a fixture at RT, but could play better. It looks like Brinkley will be the starter in the middle. Allen and Sandford have been on/off starters.Negatives: Allen and Sandford haven't really brought much when they've played. Loadholt is just so-so. Brinkley might not have the skills required for the scheme.Grade: B+

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B+ ? Really? Grade inflation has hit FG's. You have only two starters (one of whom you declared "so so", and Percy has been MIA in to many games. At best a C.

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Okay. If it makes you feel better.

Cleveland Browns

1.21 Alex Mack C California

2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State

2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia

2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii

4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC

6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State

6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State

6.22 James Davis RB Clemson

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 3

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 1 (alternate)

Positives: Mack is one of the best young centers in the NFL. He'll anchor one of the better OL in the league. Kaluka Maiava filled in for an injured Scott Fujita last year and did a decent job. Is more of a depth player now.

Negatives: Robiskie was a bust and one of the worst draft picks ever. While Massoquoi is listed as a starter, he wouldn't make several teams' rosters. This is the draft the Browns traded down 3 times in the 1st round. While they were able to pick up additional picks and move around in the draft, the players they ended up choosing were poor. Carey, Francies and Davis never made an impact.

Grade: D+

2009 1 1 21 21 Alex Mack C California

  2 2 4 36 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State

  3 2 18 50 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia

  4 2 20 52 David Veikune DE Hawaii

  5 4 4 104 Kaluka Maiava LB USC

  6 6 4 177 Don Carey DB Norfolk State

  7 6 18 191 Coye Francies DB San Jose State

Still with team: 3

Starters: 1.5

Future Starters: 0

Pro Bowls: 1

Alex Mack was a day one starter and even made a pro bowl. people complained about the trade down and pick, but he has been solid.

Robiskie was a strike out in round two, and Massoquoi may not be far behind, but he is penciled in as a starter for right now.

Malava only other one still on the roster, and that's probably due to more of a lack of depth than anything else.

Coye Francies appears to be on Seattle's current roster.

Grade: C only because of how solid Mack has been. otherwise, this draft was a disaster.

Chicago Bears

3 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State

3 Juaquin Iglesis WR Oklahoma

4 Henry Melton DE Texas

4 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt

5 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian

5 Marcus Freeman OLB Ohio State

6 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

7 Lance Louis G San Diego State

7 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

Considering we lost both our 1st and 2nd in trades for Jay Cutler and Gains Adams, I'll include them in the team Grade

Players still with team - 4 (5 if you include Cutler)

Starters - 4 (5 if you include Cutler)

Potential future starters - 0

Pro Bowls - 0

I give this a draft a solid B+ (A- including that we got a franchise QB by trading away draft picks) Knox, preinjury was our best WR, and will be the #2/#3 WR he is fully healed, also a play-maker in the return game. The rest of the players left are role-players but starters on both side of the ball. I heard I believe Pat Kirwan say if you can find 3 starters in your draft, you had a good draft. We found 4 plus a franchise QB via trade. No Super Stars but Starters and solid contributors.

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It's even worse when you look at who the Chargers passed up to take English.

Pittsburgh Steelers

RD1 (32nd overall), Evander “Ziggy” Hood, DE/DT, Missouri

The skinny: Hood has shown flashes of high-level play in his first three years in the league. Will likely be stepping into a full-time starting role for the first time in 2012 with the departure of Aaron Smith. Solid pick.

Grade: B+

RD3 (79th overall), Kraig Urbik, G, Wisconsin

The skinny: The Steelers traded away their second round pick to get 2 extra third round picks. With the first pick they took Urbik. Urbik sat on the bench most of his rookie season and did not hardly dress. He was released by the team before the start of his second season. He is now the starting guard for the Buffalo Bills.

Grade: F (for letting him go)

RD3 (84th overall), Mike Wallace, WR, Mississippi

The skinny: The Steelers used the second pick in the third round to get Wallace. Wallace was on the field from day one. He has become a top tier receiver. He is in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the entire NFL right now. Wallace has surpassed 1,000 yards in 2 of his first three seasons and has 24 touchdowns over that time. Pro-bowler!

Grade: A+

RD3 (96th overall), Keenen Lewis, CB, Oregon State

The skinny: A third-round pick should eventually become a starter and Lewis will have a chance to assume that role in 2012, replacing William Gay. He played in all 16 games last year and is a regular special teams contributor. His development has been delayed a bit by an injury so this is really still an incomplete grade, but so far, he’s on the right path.

Grade: C+

RD5 (168th overall), Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida

The skinny: One season in Pittsburgh, now on a CFL practice squad. Enough said.

Grade: F

RD5 (169th overall), Frank Summers, RB/FB, UNLV

The skinny: Summers was brought in to play some fullback and possibly some special teams. He only lasted his first season with the team. He was also cut before the start of the next season though he did end up on the practice squad. Summers was phased out by the Steelers not using a true fullback in Bruce Arians offense. Still hanging around fringes of Chargers organization.

Grade: D

RD6 (205th overall), Ra'Shon Harris, DE, Oregon

The skinny: Harris has been a random floater for the Steelers. He was released before the season and ended up in Carolina. He came back to the Steelers after Aaron Smith was injured but never made an impact. He was released again the next year and picked up by the Bills. He was brought back third time when Al Woods was picked up by Tampa Bay. He is now on the Texans practice squad

Grade: D

RD7 (226th overall), A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State

The skinny: A personally disappointing result here because watching Shipley at PSU we really thought he could become a late-round steal in the NFL. Instead, he couldn’t make the team. Currently on the Colts practice squad.

Grade: D

RD7 (241st overall), David Johnson, TE, Arkansas State

The skinny: Johnson has become a reliable H-Back blocker, who showed signs in 2011 that he could become a little more involved in the passing game. It will be interesting to see what Todd Haley does with him. In any event, a starter in the seventh round (even a starter who only blocks) is a success.

Grade: B+

Players still with the team: 4

Starters/potential starters: 3/4

Pro-bowls: 1

Postives: Wallace is a pro-bowler. We've had solid production form Hood and Johnson with upside to be had from Hood. Hopefully Lewis can development into a starter this year.

Negatives: We cut 5 of the 9 picks. It’s tough when you have the depth the Steelers have.

Overall grade: B

Buffalo Bills

1.11 OLB Aaron Maybin

1.28 C Eric Wood

2 (42) S Jairus Byrd

2 (51) OG Andy Levitre

4 (121) TE Shawn Nelson

5 (147) OLB Nic Harris

6 (183) CB Cary Harris

7 (220) CB Ellis Lankster

Awful 1st pick. Hit on the next 3. Nobody else stuck or contributed much, but Lankster is still in the league.

B+.

Broncos:

1.12 RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

(3rd-down/change-of-pace-type RB, constantly injured, maybe on his way out.

1.18 DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee

(Starting strongside DE, anchor against the run. Solid pick)

2.37 CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

(Acquired w/ 2010 1st rounder, off the team after 1 season)

2.48 FS Darcel McBath, Texas Tech

(No longer on the team, I think he's a UFA after being cut by the Jags)

2.64 TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina

(Acquired after a trade up, one of the picks traded was used to select Mike Wallace, IIRC, no longer in league)

4.114 FS David Bruton, Notre Dame

(Special teams player & backup safety)

4.132 OG Seth Olsen, Iowa

(out of the league?)

5.141 WR Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

(RIP)

6.174 QB Tom Brandstater, Fresno State

(No longer on team)

7.225 C Blake Schleuter, Texas Christian

(I think he was cut before his rookie training camp was up)



Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0 outside of Ayers

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Aside from Robert Ayers being a decent starting DE, um not much.

Negatives: The entire draft. The horrible trades, the reaches. Ten players selected (5 of them in the 1st 2 rounds) and only 3 of those ten remain with the team.

Maybe the worst draft I have seen by an NFL team. Especially considering how many picks they had in the top 2 rounds. Makes what Elway and Fox have done to turn the team around in 2 years pretty impressive.

F? In retrospect I think the only good pick was Ayers, but so much fail in that draft

Chicago Bears

3 68 Jarron Gilbert DT - washed out quickly

3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR - nothing

4 105 Henry Melton DT - Too soon to tell. Got significantly playing time last year for the first time, and looked good at times leading the rotation at 3 technique.

4 119 D.J. Moore CB - "Starting" nickel back; plays about half the snaps; solid player with a nose for the ball despite lack of size & speed

5 140 Johnny Knox WR - Dangerous returner and speedy down-the-field receiver who led the Bears in receiving yards the past 2 seasons. Struggles in traffic, especially with slants, and not cut out to be a go-to receiver. Future unclear after ugly injury.

5 154 Marcus Freeman LB - nothing

6 190 Al Afalava S - washed out quickly; started most of his rookie year but didn't do much

7 246 Lance Louis G - Too soon to tell. Tice favorite, but was played out of position at RT last year in his first significant playing time and looked awful. May finally get a chance to show what he can do at guard this year.

7 251 Derek Kinder WR - nothing

Still on team: 4/9

Starters: 3 last year (Melton, Louis, Knox), probably 2 this year (Melton & Louis)

Potential future starters: Knox again

Pro Bowls: technically 1 (KR Knox, 2009)

pos/neg - See above. No major impact players (unsurprising after Cutler trade), but got some role players & developmental guys who seem to be panning out okay. A pretty good draft given the picks they used.

Grade: B- for now (could change, depending on what Melton & Louis do this year)

Pittsburgh Steelers

1.32: Ziggy Hood DE/DT

3.79: Kraig Urbik OG

3.84: Mike Wallace WR

3.96: Keenan Lewis CB

5.168: Joe Burnett CB

5.169: Frank Summers FB

6.205: Ra'Shon Harris DE

7.226: AQ Shipley C

7.241: David Johnson TE/FB

Still with Team: 4/9

Starters: 3-4

Potential Future Starters: 0

Pro Bowls: 2

Positives: Though his future in Pittsburgh in tenuous, Mike Wallace is 1 of the biggest offensive threats in the NFL. Hood has been solid playing an unglorified position and has had significant playing time since 2010. Lewis has improved with every season as is appears locked in as the #2 CB this year. Technically not a starter, Johnson has been a nice 7th pick and has been the team's primary blocking back.

Negatives: Although he's currently starting for the Bills, Urbik was a complete bust to the point that the Steelers didnt even get compensation for him. Burnett and Summers both made the team as rookies but are no longer with the team and had minimal contributions. I believe Shipley and Harris were both cut before the final roster. Really only 1 bust or player that failed to meet expectations based on where they were drafted though.

Grade: B+ Considering 3 of the 4 picks taken before the 5th round are current starters, on a playoff team that is difficult to break into the starting lineup, I consider this draft a success. Wallace is a slam dunk, Hood will likely start for this D for a decade, and I think Lewis' best football is still to come.

Packers: 2009 draft had 7 players taken. Two pro bowlers and huge contributors on defense. Plus they picked up Scott Shields, another big contributor as a castoff UDFA. I give it an A because they don't win the Super Bowl or even make the playoffs without Raji and Matthews. TJ Lang has shown some promise but nothing special.

Andre Smith T Alabama

Rey Maualuga LB USC

Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech

Chase Coffman TE Missouri

Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas

Kevin Huber P Cincinnati

Morgan Trent DB Michigan

Bernard Scott RB Abilene Christian

Fui Vakapuna RB Brigham Young

Clinton McDonald DE Memphis

Freddie Brown WR Utah

Players still with the team: 5

Starters/potential starters: 3/4 (It's 4 if you count the Punter Huber)

Pro-bowls: Not holding my breath

Postives: Andre Smith today is a good tackle and our first 3 picks are all starters. Huber has been awesome as a punter. Scott continues to hang around. Trent had his moments where he earned PT here. Even McDonald showed enough flashes in preseason that he was traded for Kelly Jennings.

Negatives: It took until just now that Andre Smith started to live up to his promise and he's ready to be a FA after this year. There are no stars in this bunch. Rey has struggled badly trying to move to MLB and has dealt with off the field issues. Coffman has never stayed healthy enough to be relevant.

Overall grade: C+

No huge busts in this group, but a bunch of average players.

1.21 Alex Mack C California

2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State

2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia

2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii

4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC

6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State

6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State

6.22 James Davis RB Clemson

James Davis, how soon we forget.

This draft was an utter disaster, even with Mack this has F written all over it. 4 picks in the top 52 and there's 1 starter, 2 guys no longer with the team, and another who should follow them.

'MAC_32 said:

1.21 Alex Mack C California 2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State 2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia 2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii 4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC 6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State 6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State 6.22 James Davis RB Clemson James Davis, how soon we forget.This draft was an utter disaster, even with Mack this has F written all over it. 4 picks in the top 52 and there's 1 starter, 2 guys no longer with the team, and another who should follow them.

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'Grimace59 said:

Chicago Bears

3 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State

3 Juaquin Iglesis WR Oklahoma

4 Henry Melton DE Texas

4 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt

5 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian

5 Marcus Freeman OLB Ohio State

6 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

7 Lance Louis G San Diego State

7 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

Considering we lost both our 1st and 2nd in trades for Jay Cutler and Gains Adams, I'll include them in the team Grade

Players still with team - 4 (5 if you include Cutler)

Starters - 4 (5 if you include Cutler)

Potential future starters - 0

Pro Bowls - 0

I give this a draft a solid B+ (A- including that we got a franchise QB by trading away draft picks) Knox, preinjury was our best WR, and will be the #2/#3 WR he is fully healed, also a play-maker in the return game. The rest of the players left are role-players but starters on both side of the ball. I heard I believe Pat Kirwan say if you can find 3 starters in your draft, you had a good draft. We found 4 plus a franchise QB via trade. No Super Stars but Starters and solid contributors.

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I actually think that Henry Melton may turn out to be the best player the Bears got in this draft.

2009 San Francisco 49ers - After taking over as interim HC and making the team competitive in the 2nd half of the season, Singletary had just given a glimmer of hope to an exasperated 49ers team floundering in the twilight of the Nolan regime. Singletary's philosophy was "physicality with an F". then GM Scot Mcloughan had a propensity for taking larger sized players. Together this led to one of the weakest 49er drafts in recent years.

Round 1: Michael Crabtree - The consensus #1 WR on most teams' boards (except the Oakland Raiders). 49er fans were excited to finally have a heralded playmaker at the WR position since TO left town. In retrospect, I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather have DHB right now as he has shown more explosive than Crabtree thus far. Crabtree has proven fragile and pedestrian, no thanks to Alex Smith. Crabtree finally has a full offseason and is supposedly healthy so his remaining upside moves this to a C+

Round 2: Traded Away for Carolina's 1st rounder in 2010: - A solid move considering Carolina's brutal looking schedule in 2010. Everything worked out roughly the way they hoped and they end up with a pick in the top 1/2 of the 1st round. A-

Round 3: Glen Coffee - Many theorized that Singletary was pulling the strings on this pick as Coffee had endeared himself to pious Samurai Mike with his faith. Unfortunately for the niners he was so into his faith that he ultimately quit football as a result after a brief career of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. F

Round 4: Packaged with 2nd rounder for Carolina's 1st rounder in 2010: - See above

Round 5: Scott McKillop & Nate Davis - 2 guys that couldn't be more different from one another. McKillop was a low ceiling/high floor smallish LB who ended up a decent reserve and a quality guy on special teams. But a season ending injury also ended his career with the 49ers. Nasty Nate had a cannon for an arm but little dedication to the study of the game never had what it took to be an NFL QB. Despite teasing fans with impressive darts during preseason, Davis was let go because the team got tired of waiting for him to grow up. Combined grade C.

Round 6: Bear Pascoe - Pascoe had all the shapings of a tough nosed blocking TE to play opposite Vernon Davis, but was cut before the regular season began. I personally never understood why they gave up on him so quickly and all indications are that it was a mistake on management's part. Pascoe could care less now, after scoring a TD against the niners in last year's NFC championship and sporting a superbowl ring as a Giant. C

Round 7: Ricky jean Francois & Curtis Taylor - When your best picks come from the last round of the draft, it probably means you got lucky. Jean-Francois was considered undersized and immature, but he has since become a very solid reserve NT and a valued piece of the niners' D line. Taylor had the tools and knack for the game, but the following year's pick of Taylor Mays (yuck) made him obsolete and an injury to boot knocked him off the roster in 2011. B-

Overall Grade: C-

The 2009 draft can still be salvaged if Crabtree somehow becomes the No.1 receiver many imagined he would be. However the odds aren't in his favor and it's getting harder to make excuses for his mediocrity. The traded picks netted the 49ers Mike Iupati in 2010, who could turn out to be a good one, but has yet to dominate on a probowl level. The only remaining player from this draft still with the team is 7th rounder Ricky Jean-Francois. Pretty pathetic draft overall.

'Sabertooth said:

Packers: 2009 draft had 7 players taken. Two pro bowlers and huge contributors on defense. Plus they picked up Scott Shields, another big contributor as a castoff UDFA. I give it an A because they don't win the Super Bowl or even make the playoffs without Raji and Matthews. TJ Lang has shown some promise but nothing special.

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1	1	9	9	B.J. Raji	DT	Boston College 	2	1	26	26	Clay Matthews	LB	USC 	3	4	9	109	T.J. Lang	T	Eastern Michigan 	4	5	9	145	Quinn Johnson	RB	Louisiana State 	5	5	26	162	Jamon Meredith	T	South Carolina 	6	6	9	182	Jarius Wynn	DE	Georgia 	7	6	14	187	Brandon Underwood	DB	Cincinnati

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Sam Shields was picked up as and UDFA in 2010...not 2009.

NY Football Giants

1.29 Hakeem Nicks WR 6'1" 212 North Carolina

2.13 (45) (From Saints) Clint Sintim OLB 6'3" 256 Virginia

2.28 (60) William Beatty OT 6'6" 307 Connecticut

3.21 (85) (From Eagles) Ramses Barden WR 6'6" 229 Cal Poly

3.36 (100) (Compensatory selection) Travis Beckum TE 6'3" 243 Wisconsin

4.29 (129) Andre Brown RB 6'0" 224 N.C. State

5.15 (151) (From Saints) Rhett Bomar QB 6'2" 225 Sam Houston St.

6.27 (200) DeAndre Wright DB 5'11" 198 New Mexico

7.29 (238) Stoney Woodson DB 5'11" 197 South Carolina

Players still with team: 6 out of 9 picks (Brown left and came back)

Starters: 1

Potential Future Starters: 1 (Beatty- he could actually already qualify as a starter)

Pro-Bowls: 0 ... nope Nicks hasn't made it yet!

Positives:

Giants hit a home run with Nicks in the first round. Much was made of the Giants need to acquire a WR with Burress's departure and a perceived weak WR corps. Media made a big deal about the Eagles trading up to get Maclin while Giants stood pat but NY got the better player and arguably the best WR in the entire draft (unless you like Wallace better). Beatty was highest drafted lineman since Giants took Snee in second round. He hasn't been as dominant as you'd like a second rounder to be but he has been capable. Giants have had enough depth that Beatty hasn't needed to be a consistent starter from day one but that will change this year. After collecting 10 starts last year he figures to be locked into a starting role. He's been a nice depth acquisition early in his career who I'd like to see become more dominant. His performance in the coming year could really change this draft grade.

Negatives:

Sintim had the look of exactly what the Giants needed in the way of an athletic OLB. It just hasn't worked out. At the time, this was a pick celebrated by Giants faithful. Very few felt Sintim would bust.

Barden represents the Eagles revenge! Acquired via trade with Philly, Barden was perceived to be a guy who could assume Plax's corner fade route and provide Eli with a huge dependable target. Instead he's struggled to stay healthy and when he's had opportunities he has looked slow and hasn't been able to separate, two flaws his detractors voiced in the aftermath of the draft. In this case the naysayers were right.

Beckum has maintained a roster spot (I thought he wouldn't survive camp last season). His scouting report promoted his receiving abilities but he was never able to blossom into the player the Giants needed. This has been surprising considering he appears more talented and athletic than other TE's who have made a mark in the Giants offense (Boss, Ballard, Pascoe). I suppose I shouldn't be too harsh as he's offered depth at the position but even without the Super Bowl injury he didn't appear to be a player that was on the verge of breaking out.

Bhomar was drafted strictly to develop as a backup. The Giants were able to attract better options (D. Carr). Tough break Rhett.

Wright and Woodson were drafted as developmental corners. Woodson showed some flash in camp but didn't make the grade.

Grade: Tough to penalize the Giants on the Andre Brown pick. He was considered a steal in the 4th round. He had a strong Senior Bowl. He displayed good hands and explosive receiving talent in an offseason when the Giants had let Derrick Ward walk. The pick didn't pan out due to Brown rupturing his achilles but given the same situation I wouldn't fault the Giants for making the identical pick. EDITED TO ADD: Giants re-signed Brown to their practice squad after letting him walk post-injury so he hasn't been written completely off and could still find a home as a 3rd down specialist or in the return game. I give the Giants a B. Nicks is an explosive player who hasn't reached his ceiling and is a key cog in the offense. Beatty cements his place in the starting lineup this season and if he performs well could take this grade to a B+. Giants get some credit for having several players from the draft still on the roster although I think Sintim and Barden may not be able to make that claim in September.

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Broncos:

1.12 RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

(3rd-down/change-of-pace-type RB, constantly injured, maybe on his way out.

1.18 DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee

(Starting strongside DE, anchor against the run. Solid pick)

2.37 CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

(Acquired w/ 2010 1st rounder, off the team after 1 season)

2.48 FS Darcel McBath, Texas Tech

(No longer on the team, I think he's a UFA after being cut by the Jags)

2.64 TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina

(Acquired after a trade up, one of the picks traded was used to select Mike Wallace, IIRC, no longer in league)

4.114 FS David Bruton, Notre Dame

(Special teams player & backup safety)

4.132 OG Seth Olsen, Iowa

(out of the league?)

5.141 WR Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

(RIP)

6.174 QB Tom Brandstater, Fresno State

(No longer on team)

7.225 C Blake Schleuter, Texas Christian

(I think he was cut before his rookie training camp was up)



Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0 outside of Ayers

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Aside from Robert Ayers being a decent starting DE, um not much.

Negatives: The entire draft. The horrible trades, the reaches. Ten players selected (5 of them in the 1st 2 rounds) and only 3 of those ten remain with the team.

Maybe the worst draft I have seen by an NFL team. Especially considering how many picks they had in the top 2 rounds. Makes what Elway and Fox have done to turn the team around in 2 years pretty impressive.

F? In retrospect I think the only good pick was Ayers, but so much fail in that draft

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can we give a grade lower than F? To really make the Ayers pick look bad - Orakpo and Matthews Jr. were both available and Xanders allegedly lobbied for (Orakpo @ 12 instead of Knowshon).

This was the bounty from the cutler trade.

'houndirish said:

NY Football Giants 1.29 Hakeem Nicks WR 6'1" 212 North Carolina 2.13 (45) (From Saints) Clint Sintim OLB 6'3" 256 Virginia 2.28 (60) William Beatty OT 6'6" 307 Connecticut 3.21 (85) (From Eagles) Ramses Barden WR 6'6" 229 Cal Poly 3.36 (100) (Compensatory selection) Travis Beckum TE 6'3" 243 Wisconsin 4.29 (129) Andre Brown RB 6'0" 224 N.C. State 5.15 (151) (From Saints) Rhett Bomar QB 6'2" 225 Sam Houston St. 6.27 (200) DeAndre Wright DB 5'11" 198 New Mexico 7.29 (238) Stoney Woodson DB 5'11" 197 South Carolina Players still with team: 6 out of 9 picks (Brown left and came back)Starters: 1Potential Future Starters: 1 (Beatty- he could actually already qualify as a starter)Pro-Bowls: 0 ... nope Nicks hasn't made it yet!Positives: Giants hit a home run with Nicks in the first round. Much was made of the Giants need to acquire a WR with Burress's departure and a perceived weak WR corps. Media made a big deal about the Eagles trading up to get Maclin while Giants stood pat but NY got the better player and arguably the best WR in the entire draft (unless you like Wallace better). Beatty was highest drafted lineman since Giants took Snee in second round. He hasn't been as dominant as you'd like a second rounder to be but he has been capable. Giants have had enough depth that Beatty hasn't needed to be a consistent starter from day one but that will change this year. After collecting 10 starts last year he figures to be locked into a starting role. He's been a nice depth acquisition early in his career who I'd like to see become more dominant. His performance in the coming year could really change this draft grade.Negatives:Sintim had the look of exactly what the Giants needed in the way of an athletic OLB. It just hasn't worked out. At the time, this was a pick celebrated by Giants faithful. Very few felt Sintim would bust. Barden represents the Eagles revenge! Acquired via trade with Philly, Barden was perceived to be a guy who could assume Plax's corner fade route and provide Eli with a huge dependable target. Instead he's struggled to stay healthy and when he's had opportunities he has looked slow and hasn't been able to separate, two flaws his detractors voiced in the aftermath of the draft. In this case the naysayers were right. Beckum has maintained a roster spot (I thought he wouldn't survive camp last season). His scouting report promoted his receiving abilities but he was never able to blossom into the player the Giants needed. This has been surprising considering he appears more talented and athletic than other TE's who have made a mark in the Giants offense (Boss, Ballard, Pascoe). I suppose I shouldn't be too harsh as he's offered depth at the position but even without the Super Bowl injury he didn't appear to be a player that was on the verge of breaking out.Bhomar was drafted strictly to develop as a backup. The Giants were able to attract better options (D. Carr). Tough break Rhett.Wright and Woodson were drafted as developmental corners. Woodson showed some flash in camp but didn't make the grade.Grade: Tough to penalize the Giants on the Andre Brown pick. He was considered a steal in the 4th round. He had a strong Senior Bowl. He displayed good hands and explosive receiving talent in an offseason when the Giants had let Derrick Ward walk. The pick didn't pan out due to Brown rupturing his achilles but given the same situation I wouldn't fault the Giants for making the identical pick. EDITED TO ADD: Giants re-signed Brown to their practice squad after letting him walk post-injury so he hasn't been written completely off and could still find a home as a 3rd down specialist or in the return game. I give the Giants a B. Nicks is an explosive player who hasn't reached his ceiling and is a key cog in the offense. Beatty cements his place in the starting lineup this season and if he performs well could take this grade to a B+. Giants get some credit for having several players from the draft still on the roster although I think Sintim and Barden may not be able to make that claim in September.

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Very nice write up but this grade is way to generous C- ... If you fairly grade each of the picks it looks like 7 of 9 pick were bad 1 Very Good and 1 could end up good1 - A2 - D3 - C4 - F5 - D6 - D7 - F8 - F9 - F

San Francisco

1.10 Crabtree, Michael WR

F. Top ten pick has to net more than a second tier possession WR. This is also where hindsight is a problem. Many people questioned Crabtree's dedication as well as his gimmick system. With Nicks, Maclin, Harvin, and Britt all drafted AFTER him in the first round, the niners just failed here.

3.10 Coffee, Glen RB

F. Another player with a lot of questions, he retired from the NFL prematurely. No getting around it, fail.

5.10 McKillop, Scott LB

F. One year and done.

5.34 Davis, Nate QB

F. Has never thrown a pass in an NFL game. No longer in the league.

6.10 Pascoe, Bear TE

D. Would be a C if they had a way of keeping him. I was also surprised that they couldn't find a way to keep him.

7.10 Taylor, Curtis DE

F. Gone and barely remembered.

7.34 Jean-Francios, Ricky DT

C. Strictly back-up player might continue fighting for a roster spot. A pretty good pick considering how late.

Overall grade: D-. (The trade of the 2nd and 4th rd picks for CAR first was a good deal, but I'd rate the success of that deal in the 2010 draft, which gets a much higher grade, rather than double dip, though I did make the grade a D- rather than the F I really think it is.) This could improve if Crabtree ever becomes more than horribly average, but for now, it's an F.

Players still with team: 2 of 7

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 0

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Pittsburgh Steelers

1.32: Ziggy Hood DE/DT

3.79: Kraig Urbik OG

3.84: Mike Wallace WR

3.96: Keenan Lewis CB

5.168: Joe Burnett CB

5.169: Frank Summers FB

6.205: Ra'Shon Harris DE

7.226: AQ Shipley C

7.241: David Johnson TE/FB

Grade: B+

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I agree with that, could have been an A- had they kept Urbik.

'DA RAIDERS said:

Positives: all have started and contributed. Schaughnessy so far is the best of the class. DHB finally showed some signs of life with cambell, but vanished at the end of the year.

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wk 14: 5-78wk 15: 8-155-1 TD

wk 16: 4-70

wk 17: 9-130-1 TD

I'd say his best stretch was with Palmer.

'Andy Dufresne said:

'MAC_32 said:

1.21 Alex Mack C California 2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State 2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia 2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii 4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC 6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State 6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State 6.22 James Davis RB Clemson James Davis, how soon we forget.This draft was an utter disaster, even with Mack this has F written all over it. 4 picks in the top 52 and there's 1 starter, 2 guys no longer with the team, and another who should follow them.

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Quite the indictment of "trade down for more picks" mantra, eh?

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not necessarily. just have to pick the correct players when you move down.

'amnesiac said:

'Andy Dufresne said:

'MAC_32 said:

1.21 Alex Mack C California 2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State 2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia 2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii 4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC 6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State 6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State 6.22 James Davis RB Clemson James Davis, how soon we forget.This draft was an utter disaster, even with Mack this has F written all over it. 4 picks in the top 52 and there's 1 starter, 2 guys no longer with the team, and another who should follow them.

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Quite the indictment of "trade down for more picks" mantra, eh?

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not necessarily. just have to pick the correct players when you move down.

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But that's kind of my point. The elite players are still at the top of the draft.But admittedly the 2009 draft isn't a great example because I'm not certain who they should have taken if they remained at #5.

'Andy Dufresne said:

'amnesiac said:

'Andy Dufresne said:

'MAC_32 said:

1.21 Alex Mack C California 2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State 2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia 2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii 4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC 6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State 6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State 6.22 James Davis RB Clemson James Davis, how soon we forget.This draft was an utter disaster, even with Mack this has F written all over it. 4 picks in the top 52 and there's 1 starter, 2 guys no longer with the team, and another who should follow them.

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Quite the indictment of "trade down for more picks" mantra, eh?

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not necessarily. just have to pick the correct players when you move down.

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But that's kind of my point. The elite players are still at the top of the draft.But admittedly the 2009 draft isn't a great example because I'm not certain who they should have taken if they remained at #5.

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Clay Matthews

'Andy Dufresne said:

'MAC_32 said:

1.21 Alex Mack C California 2.04 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State 2.18 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia 2.20 David Veikune DE Hawaii 4.04 Kaluka Maiava LB USC 6.04 Don Carey DB Norfolk State 6.18 Coye Francies DB San Jose State 6.22 James Davis RB Clemson James Davis, how soon we forget.This draft was an utter disaster, even with Mack this has F written all over it. 4 picks in the top 52 and there's 1 starter, 2 guys no longer with the team, and another who should follow them.

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Quite the indictment of "trade down for more picks" mantra, eh?

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It works if you make good picks with them, as there are usually plenty of them in the top 50. Only one of those #2's was from a trade down though, the other was for Winslow.

'MAC_32 said:

It works if you make good picks with them, as there are usually plenty of them in the top 50. Only one of those #2's was from a trade down though, the other was for Winslow.

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Of course, but like I said it seems like whenever teams move out of the top 5 they miss out on elite players and start rolling the dice on the next tier. In hindsight, they'd have been better off taking Orakpo or Raji (of course there were other guys that panned out in the 1st that year, but none that would have been reasonably considered in the top 10 - guys like Freeman, Oher, and Matthews).

'Andy Dufresne said:

'MAC_32 said:

It works if you make good picks with them, as there are usually plenty of them in the top 50. Only one of those #2's was from a trade down though, the other was for Winslow.

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Of course, but like I said it seems like whenever teams move out of the top 5 they miss out on elite players and start rolling the dice on the next tier. In hindsight, they'd have been better off taking Orakpo or Raji (of course there were other guys that panned out in the 1st that year, but none that would have been reasonably considered in the top 10 - guys like Freeman, Oher, and Matthews).

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Not so sure on Matthews. Ted Thompson has stated that they considered him with the 9 pick over Raji. Obviously they didn't pick him so they considered Rajie the better player but still.

'cheese said:

Andre Smith T Alabama Rey Maualuga LB USC Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech Chase Coffman TE Missouri Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas Kevin Huber P Cincinnati Morgan Trent DB Michigan Bernard Scott RB Abilene Christian Fui Vakapuna RB Brigham Young Clinton McDonald DE Memphis Freddie Brown WR Utah Players still with the team: 5Starters/potential starters: 3/4 (It's 4 if you count the Punter Huber)Pro-bowls: Not holding my breathPostives: Andre Smith today is a good tackle and our first 3 picks are all starters. Huber has been awesome as a punter. Scott continues to hang around. Trent had his moments where he earned PT here. Even McDonald showed enough flashes in preseason that he was traded for Kelly Jennings.Negatives: It took until just now that Andre Smith started to live up to his promise and he's ready to be a FA after this year. There are no stars in this bunch. Rey has struggled badly trying to move to MLB and has dealt with off the field issues. Coffman has never stayed healthy enough to be relevant. Overall grade: C+ No huge busts in this group, but a bunch of average players.

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I think C+ is a little low... 5 guys who are getting a decent amount of playing time on Sundays is an above avg draft.

'Sidewinder16 said:

Washington Redskins 2009 Draft

1.13 Brian Orakpo LB Texas

3.16 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland

5.22 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska

6.13 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian

7.12 Eddie Williams TE Idaho

7.34 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada

Players still with team: 2

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 2

Positives: Pulling a talent like Orakpo out of the 13th pick was outstanding. While he was originally drafted as a 4-3 DE, he has transitioned well to Jim Haslett's 3-4 D. While he has averaged 9.5 sacks/season over his first 3 years, the expectation would be to have that average in the double digits. Considering the position change and learning curve he went through during the defensive scheme change, that's probably a decent number, to date. Going forward, the OLB tandem of Orakpo and Kerrigan has tremendous potential to wreak havoc on opposing offensives. Some of that future potential was exhibited in the last couple of games of the '11 season when the two were moved around the line to disguise plays/blitzes/etc. Kevin Barnes is still on the roster and has served as a backup/nickel corner.

Negatives: With few picks (most of which were in the 2nd half of the draft) it's hard to expect much from this draft class. But you would have expected something of worth after the 1st round. Kevin Barnes and Robert Henson were the only two players outside of Orakpo that stayed with the team past '09. Barnes has been a consistent backup, more so in his mere presence than in his playing ability. He has struggled at times just being a backup/nickel corner, and with the glut of DBs added to the roster this year, Barnes days as a 'Skin are likely numbered. Henson saw a little bit of PT in '09 and there was hope that he could learn and grow behind London Fletcher, but he spent 2010 on IR and was released before the '11 season. He is not currently on an NFL roster, nor is Marko Mitchell. Cody Glenn and Eddie Williams are currently on rosters (Ravens and Browns, respectively) after bouncing around a few other teams but don't appear to ever be more than backups/special teams players. Basically, only one significant player was pulled from this draft class.

Grade: C +

Orakpo is an "A-grade" player, but he's the only thing keeping this draft from being about an F-. You would have hoped to at least get a decent backup and/or special teamer out of the 5 other picks. Thanks, Vinny!

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I think just the Orakpo pick makes this a B draft at least. The later picks have a low hit rate for every team, and getting a perennial pro-bowler in the first makes a huge difference for this defense.I don't think you can penalize the draft as a whole just because they didn't have many good picks. The one high pick they had is a stud. I also still think Barnes has potential.

'Andy Dufresne said:

'MAC_32 said:

It works if you make good picks with them, as there are usually plenty of them in the top 50. Only one of those #2's was from a trade down though, the other was for Winslow.

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Of course, but like I said it seems like whenever teams move out of the top 5 they miss out on elite players and start rolling the dice on the next tier. In hindsight, they'd have been better off taking Orakpo or Raji (of course there were other guys that panned out in the 1st that year, but none that would have been reasonably considered in the top 10 - guys like Freeman, Oher, and Matthews).

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I'm not going to try to defend a draft I never liked, but there are some very good player combinations in the 20 and 50 range that would be optimal to somebody at 5.