Grade your team's draft from 2009 (1 Viewer)

[bucsbaby]

Bucs

2009

1 1 17 17 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State

2 3 17 81 Roy Miller DT Texas

3 4 17 117 Kyle Moore DE USC

4 5 19 155 Xavier Fulton T Illinois

5 7 8 217 E.J. Biggers DB Western Michigan

6 7 24 233 Sam. Stroughter WR Oregon State

*2nd round pick traded for Winslow

2. Players still with team: 5/7 if you include Winslow, 4/6 if not

3. Starters: 1

4. Potential future starters: 0

5. Pro-bowls: 0

6. Positives: Freeman could develop into a franchise QB, Winslow has been productive at TE, Miller/Stroughter have been decent spot/rotational players, Biggers has been ok nickel/dime depth at CB

7. Negatives: A lot hinges on whether Freeman develops into a franchise QB. If yes, then very good draft. If no, then below average draft. QB being so valuable makes it this way imo.

8. Grade: A (if Freeman develops into a franchise QB) or C (if not). Rationale: Got good value out of 2nd round pick and the pair of 7th round picks. Would have liked to see more from Miller, but he has been ok-ish. A couple picks not with the team, but not uncommon for most drafts. If Freeman becomes a franchise QB to add to that, then that is a very good draft imo. If he busts out, then that sets the franchise back quite a bit.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Buffalo Bills1.11 OLB Aaron Maybin1.28 C Eric Wood2 (42) S Jairus Byrd2 (51) OG Andy Levitre4 (121) TE Shawn Nelson5 (147) OLB Nic Harris6 (183) CB Cary Harris7 (220) CB Ellis LanksterAwful 1st pick. Hit on the next 3. Nobody else stuck or contributed much, but Lankster is still in the league.B+.

I would lean more towards the B-/C+ range. Byrd had that great rookie season but hasn't had anywhere near the impact since then. I'm hoping this is finally the year Eric Wood stays healthy for 16 games. The Maybin pick will go down as one of the top bust picks of all time. Even though it was a 4th round pick, the Nelson pick should be look upon as a colossal bust as well.

 

[Demian]

Broncos:

1.12 RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

(3rd-down/change-of-pace-type RB, constantly injured, maybe on his way out.

1.18 DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee

(Starting strongside DE, anchor against the run. Solid pick)

2.37 CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

(Acquired w/ 2010 1st rounder, off the team after 1 season)

2.48 FS Darcel McBath, Texas Tech

(No longer on the team, I think he's a UFA after being cut by the Jags)

2.64 TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina

(Acquired after a trade up, one of the picks traded was used to select Mike Wallace, IIRC, no longer in league)

4.114 FS David Bruton, Notre Dame

(Special teams player & backup safety)

4.132 OG Seth Olsen, Iowa

(out of the league?)

5.141 WR Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

(RIP)

6.174 QB Tom Brandstater, Fresno State

(No longer on team)

7.225 C Blake Schleuter, Texas Christian

(I think he was cut before his rookie training camp was up)



Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0 outside of Ayers

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Aside from Robert Ayers being a decent starting DE, um not much.

Negatives: The entire draft. The horrible trades, the reaches. Ten players selected (5 of them in the 1st 2 rounds) and only 3 of those ten remain with the team.

Maybe the worst draft I have seen by an NFL team. Especially considering how many picks they had in the top 2 rounds. Makes what Elway and Fox have done to turn the team around in 2 years pretty impressive.

F? In retrospect I think the only good pick was Ayers, but so much fail in that draft

Yikes

 

[gethugefast1]

2009 NFL Draft Revisited

 

[bucsbaby]

Bucs2009 1 1 17 17 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State 2 3 17 81 Roy Miller DT Texas 3 4 17 117 Kyle Moore DE USC 4 5 19 155 Xavier Fulton T Illinois 5 7 8 217 E.J. Biggers DB Western Michigan 6 7 24 233 Sam. Stroughter WR Oregon State*2nd round pick traded for Winslow2. Players still with team: 5/7 if you include Winslow, 4/6 if not3. Starters: 14. Potential future starters: 05. Pro-bowls: 06. Positives: Freeman could develop into a franchise QB, Winslow has been productive at TE, Miller/Stroughter have been decent spot/rotational players, Biggers has been ok nickel/dime depth at CB7. Negatives: A lot hinges on whether Freeman develops into a franchise QB. If yes, then very good draft. If no, then below average draft. QB being so valuable makes it this way imo.8. Grade: A (if Freeman develops into a franchise QB) or C (if not). Rationale: Got good value out of 2nd round pick and the pair of 7th round picks. Would have liked to see more from Miller, but he has been ok-ish. A couple picks not with the team, but not uncommon for most drafts. If Freeman becomes a franchise QB to add to that, then that is a very good draft imo. If he busts out, then that sets the franchise back quite a bit.

TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS (6 Draft Picks)1 (17) QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State; 3 (81) DT Roy Miller, Texas; 4 (117) DE Kyle Moore, Southern Cal; 5 (155) OT Xavier Fulton, Illinois; 7 (217) CB EJ Biggers, Western Michigan; 7 (233) WR Sammie Stroughter, Oregon StateTHE GOOD: Despite serving as more of a back-up in 2011, defensive tackle Roy Miller has played in all but one game in his three-year NFL career with consistent production, providing quality depth along Tampa's frontTHE BAD: After playing sparingly as a rookie in 2009, defensive end Kyle Moore started seven games in 2010, but struggled to produce (zero sacks) and was released prior to the 2011 season, later signing with the BillsJURY STILL OUT: After a productive 2010 season, quarterback Josh Freeman took a step back in year three last season with 16 touchdowns (down nine from 2010) compared to 22 interceptions and a 4-12 recordRe-Grade: B-

Pretty much consistent with what I wrote, as the B- falls in between A and C depending on the "jury still being out" on Freeman. If Freeman develops, A; if not, C

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Cowboys:

Dallas traded its first-, third-, and sixth-round selections (20th, 82nd, and 192nd overall, used to select Brandon Pettigrew, Derrick Williams, and Aaron Brown, respectively) to Detroit for wide receiver Roy Williams and a seventh-round selection (210th overall, traded to Atlanta, who selected Vance Walker

3 69 Dallas Cowboys Williams, Jason LB Western Illinois

3 75 Dallas Cowboys Brewster, Robert OT Ball State

4 101 Dallas Cowboys McGee, Stephen QB Texas A&M

4 110 Dallas Cowboys Butler, Victor DE Oregon State

4 120 Dallas Cowboys Williams, Brandon DE Texas Tech

5 143 Dallas Cowboys Smith, DeAngelo CB Cincinnati

5 166 Dallas Cowboys Hamlin, Michael S Clemson

5* 172 Dallas Cowboys Buehler, David K USC

6 197 Dallas Cowboys Hodge, Stephen S TCU

6* 208 Dallas Cowboys Phillips, John TE Virginia

7 227 Dallas Cowboys Mickens, Mike CB Cincinnati

7 229 Dallas Cowboys Johnson, Manuel WR Oklahoma

Pro Bowls - Ha, ha, ha...

Starters - 0

Potential Future Pro Bowls - 0

Potential Future Starters - 0

Player Still on Roster - 3: McGee, Butler, Phillips

Overall Grade - F; one of the worst draft I have seen from any team, ever.

The trade for Roy Wiliiams (1st & 3rd) was a disaster. Trading back from the 2nd to 3rd when they needed an OT and players like Beatty, Vollmer and Loadholt were available was another major disaster (all went before their 3rd round pick). McGee and Butler probably aren't long for the roster, leaving Phillips as the only player left from 2009 who has any future potential. If Phillips doesn't end up turning out to be the long term backup behind Witten, this draft turns into an F-.

 

[Yenrub]

NY Football Giants 1.29 Hakeem Nicks WR 6'1" 212 North Carolina 2.13 (45) (From Saints) Clint Sintim OLB 6'3" 256 Virginia 2.28 (60) William Beatty OT 6'6" 307 Connecticut 3.21 (85) (From Eagles) Ramses Barden WR 6'6" 229 Cal Poly 3.36 (100) (Compensatory selection) Travis Beckum TE 6'3" 243 Wisconsin 4.29 (129) Andre Brown RB 6'0" 224 N.C. State 5.15 (151) (From Saints) Rhett Bomar QB 6'2" 225 Sam Houston St. 6.27 (200) DeAndre Wright DB 5'11" 198 New Mexico 7.29 (238) Stoney Woodson DB 5'11" 197 South Carolina Players still with team: 6 out of 9 picks (Brown left and came back)Starters: 1Potential Future Starters: 1 (Beatty- he could actually already qualify as a starter)Pro-Bowls: 0 ... nope Nicks hasn't made it yet!Positives: Giants hit a home run with Nicks in the first round. Much was made of the Giants need to acquire a WR with Burress's departure and a perceived weak WR corps. Media made a big deal about the Eagles trading up to get Maclin while Giants stood pat but NY got the better player and arguably the best WR in the entire draft (unless you like Wallace better). Beatty was highest drafted lineman since Giants took Snee in second round. He hasn't been as dominant as you'd like a second rounder to be but he has been capable. Giants have had enough depth that Beatty hasn't needed to be a consistent starter from day one but that will change this year. After collecting 10 starts last year he figures to be locked into a starting role. He's been a nice depth acquisition early in his career who I'd like to see become more dominant. His performance in the coming year could really change this draft grade.Negatives:Sintim had the look of exactly what the Giants needed in the way of an athletic OLB. It just hasn't worked out. At the time, this was a pick celebrated by Giants faithful. Very few felt Sintim would bust. Barden represents the Eagles revenge! Acquired via trade with Philly, Barden was perceived to be a guy who could assume Plax's corner fade route and provide Eli with a huge dependable target. Instead he's struggled to stay healthy and when he's had opportunities he has looked slow and hasn't been able to separate, two flaws his detractors voiced in the aftermath of the draft. In this case the naysayers were right. Beckum has maintained a roster spot (I thought he wouldn't survive camp last season). His scouting report promoted his receiving abilities but he was never able to blossom into the player the Giants needed. This has been surprising considering he appears more talented and athletic than other TE's who have made a mark in the Giants offense (Boss, Ballard, Pascoe). I suppose I shouldn't be too harsh as he's offered depth at the position but even without the Super Bowl injury he didn't appear to be a player that was on the verge of breaking out.Bhomar was drafted strictly to develop as a backup. The Giants were able to attract better options (D. Carr). Tough break Rhett.Wright and Woodson were drafted as developmental corners. Woodson showed some flash in camp but didn't make the grade.Grade: Tough to penalize the Giants on the Andre Brown pick. He was considered a steal in the 4th round. He had a strong Senior Bowl. He displayed good hands and explosive receiving talent in an offseason when the Giants had let Derrick Ward walk. The pick didn't pan out due to Brown rupturing his achilles but given the same situation I wouldn't fault the Giants for making the identical pick. EDITED TO ADD: Giants re-signed Brown to their practice squad after letting him walk post-injury so he hasn't been written completely off and could still find a home as a 3rd down specialist or in the return game. I give the Giants a B. Nicks is an explosive player who hasn't reached his ceiling and is a key cog in the offense. Beatty cements his place in the starting lineup this season and if he performs well could take this grade to a B+. Giants get some credit for having several players from the draft still on the roster although I think Sintim and Barden may not be able to make that claim in September.

Very nice write up but this grade is way to generous C- ... If you fairly grade each of the picks it looks like 7 of 9 pick were bad 1 Very Good and 1 could end up good1 - A2 - D3 - C4 - F5 - D6 - D7 - F8 - F9 - F

I agree with Monk. Very good write up but that grade was on a serious curveI would give the Giants 2009 draft a D

 

[shredhead]

Broncos:

1.12 RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

(3rd-down/change-of-pace-type RB, constantly injured, maybe on his way out.

1.18 DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee

(Starting strongside DE, anchor against the run. Solid pick)

2.37 CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

(Acquired w/ 2010 1st rounder, off the team after 1 season)

2.48 FS Darcel McBath, Texas Tech

(No longer on the team, I think he's a UFA after being cut by the Jags)

2.64 TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina

(Acquired after a trade up, one of the picks traded was used to select Mike Wallace, IIRC, no longer in league)

4.114 FS David Bruton, Notre Dame

(Special teams player & backup safety)

4.132 OG Seth Olsen, Iowa

(out of the league?)

5.141 WR Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

(RIP)

6.174 QB Tom Brandstater, Fresno State

(No longer on team)

7.225 C Blake Schleuter, Texas Christian

(I think he was cut before his rookie training camp was up)



Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0 outside of Ayers

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Aside from Robert Ayers being a decent starting DE, um not much.

Negatives: The entire draft. The horrible trades, the reaches. Ten players selected (5 of them in the 1st 2 rounds) and only 3 of those ten remain with the team.

Maybe the worst draft I have seen by an NFL team. Especially considering how many picks they had in the top 2 rounds. Makes what Elway and Fox have done to turn the team around in 2 years pretty impressive.

F? In retrospect I think the only good pick was Ayers, but so much fail in that draft

can we give a grade lower than F? To really make the Ayers pick look bad - Orakpo and Matthews Jr. were both available and Xanders allegedly lobbied for (Orakpo @ 12 instead of Knowshon).

This was the bounty from the cutler trade.

I remember being thrilled when Orakpo was available at that pick. It was a no brainer to pick him at 12 given the teams needs. I was in shock when they announced the Moreno pick.I think the Ayers pick was OK, I like the Bruton and McKinnley (RIP) picks. Trading up to get Smith and Quinn were Epic fails.

 

[smackdaddies]

Vikings1.22 Percy Harvin WR Florida2.54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma3.86 Asher Allen DB Georgia5.150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina7.231 Jamarca Sanford DB MississippiPlayers till with team - 5Starters - 2/5Potential future starters - 0Pro Bowls - 1 (alternate)Positives: All have contributed some. Harvin is one of the top all-purpose players in the league. Loadholt has been a fixture at RT, but could play better. It looks like Brinkley will be the starter in the middle. Allen and Sandford have been on/off starters.Negatives: Allen and Sandford haven't really brought much when they've played. Loadholt is just so-so. Brinkley might not have the skills required for the scheme.Grade: B+

B+ ? Really? Grade inflation has hit FG's. You have only two starters (one of whom you declared "so so", and Percy has been MIA in to many games. At best a C.

Okay. If it makes you feel better.

Packers have 4 pro bowl starts from their draft - that's an AYou can't get to a B+ with a team that only has 1 probowl, and that was as an alternate.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vikings

1.22 Percy Harvin WR Florida

2.54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma

3.86 Asher Allen DB Georgia

5.150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina

7.231 Jamarca Sanford DB Mississippi

Players till with team - 5

Starters - 2/5

Potential future starters - 0

Pro Bowls - 1 (alternate)

Positives: All have contributed some. Harvin is one of the top all-purpose players in the league. Loadholt has been a fixture at RT, but could play better. It looks like Brinkley will be the starter in the middle. Allen and Sandford have been on/off starters.

Negatives: Allen and Sandford haven't really brought much when they've played. Loadholt is just so-so. Brinkley might not have the skills required for the scheme.

Grade: B+

B+ ? Really? Grade inflation has hit FG's. You have only two starters (one of whom you declared "so so", and Percy has been MIA in to many games. At best a C.

Okay. If it makes you feel better.

Packers have 4 pro bowl starts from their draft - that's an AYou can't get to a B+ with a team that only has 1 probowl, and that was as an alternate.

The got a "B" here. And another one here.

And I'm not arguing that the Packers didn't have the better draft. But where I come from, an A is better than a B, so I'm not sure what else I can say.

 

[bucsbaby]

Vikings

1.22 Percy Harvin WR Florida

2.54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma

3.86 Asher Allen DB Georgia

5.150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina

7.231 Jamarca Sanford DB Mississippi

Players till with team - 5

Starters - 2/5

Potential future starters - 0

Pro Bowls - 1 (alternate)

Positives: All have contributed some. Harvin is one of the top all-purpose players in the league. Loadholt has been a fixture at RT, but could play better. It looks like Brinkley will be the starter in the middle. Allen and Sandford have been on/off starters.

Negatives: Allen and Sandford haven't really brought much when they've played. Loadholt is just so-so. Brinkley might not have the skills required for the scheme.

Grade: B+

B+ ? Really? Grade inflation has hit FG's. You have only two starters (one of whom you declared "so so", and Percy has been MIA in to many games. At best a C.

Okay. If it makes you feel better.

Packers have 4 pro bowl starts from their draft - that's an A+You can't get to a B+ with a team that only has 1 probowl, and that was as an alternate.

Fixed.

 

[houndirish]

NY Football Giants 1.29 Hakeem Nicks WR 6'1" 212 North Carolina 2.13 (45) (From Saints) Clint Sintim OLB 6'3" 256 Virginia 2.28 (60) William Beatty OT 6'6" 307 Connecticut 3.21 (85) (From Eagles) Ramses Barden WR 6'6" 229 Cal Poly 3.36 (100) (Compensatory selection) Travis Beckum TE 6'3" 243 Wisconsin 4.29 (129) Andre Brown RB 6'0" 224 N.C. State 5.15 (151) (From Saints) Rhett Bomar QB 6'2" 225 Sam Houston St. 6.27 (200) DeAndre Wright DB 5'11" 198 New Mexico 7.29 (238) Stoney Woodson DB 5'11" 197 South Carolina Players still with team: 6 out of 9 picks (Brown left and came back)Starters: 1Potential Future Starters: 1 (Beatty- he could actually already qualify as a starter)Pro-Bowls: 0 ... nope Nicks hasn't made it yet!Positives: Giants hit a home run with Nicks in the first round. Much was made of the Giants need to acquire a WR with Burress's departure and a perceived weak WR corps. Media made a big deal about the Eagles trading up to get Maclin while Giants stood pat but NY got the better player and arguably the best WR in the entire draft (unless you like Wallace better). Beatty was highest drafted lineman since Giants took Snee in second round. He hasn't been as dominant as you'd like a second rounder to be but he has been capable. Giants have had enough depth that Beatty hasn't needed to be a consistent starter from day one but that will change this year. After collecting 10 starts last year he figures to be locked into a starting role. He's been a nice depth acquisition early in his career who I'd like to see become more dominant. His performance in the coming year could really change this draft grade.Negatives:Sintim had the look of exactly what the Giants needed in the way of an athletic OLB. It just hasn't worked out. At the time, this was a pick celebrated by Giants faithful. Very few felt Sintim would bust. Barden represents the Eagles revenge! Acquired via trade with Philly, Barden was perceived to be a guy who could assume Plax's corner fade route and provide Eli with a huge dependable target. Instead he's struggled to stay healthy and when he's had opportunities he has looked slow and hasn't been able to separate, two flaws his detractors voiced in the aftermath of the draft. In this case the naysayers were right. Beckum has maintained a roster spot (I thought he wouldn't survive camp last season). His scouting report promoted his receiving abilities but he was never able to blossom into the player the Giants needed. This has been surprising considering he appears more talented and athletic than other TE's who have made a mark in the Giants offense (Boss, Ballard, Pascoe). I suppose I shouldn't be too harsh as he's offered depth at the position but even without the Super Bowl injury he didn't appear to be a player that was on the verge of breaking out.Bhomar was drafted strictly to develop as a backup. The Giants were able to attract better options (D. Carr). Tough break Rhett.Wright and Woodson were drafted as developmental corners. Woodson showed some flash in camp but didn't make the grade.Grade: Tough to penalize the Giants on the Andre Brown pick. He was considered a steal in the 4th round. He had a strong Senior Bowl. He displayed good hands and explosive receiving talent in an offseason when the Giants had let Derrick Ward walk. The pick didn't pan out due to Brown rupturing his achilles but given the same situation I wouldn't fault the Giants for making the identical pick. EDITED TO ADD: Giants re-signed Brown to their practice squad after letting him walk post-injury so he hasn't been written completely off and could still find a home as a 3rd down specialist or in the return game. I give the Giants a B. Nicks is an explosive player who hasn't reached his ceiling and is a key cog in the offense. Beatty cements his place in the starting lineup this season and if he performs well could take this grade to a B+. Giants get some credit for having several players from the draft still on the roster although I think Sintim and Barden may not be able to make that claim in September.

Very nice write up but this grade is way to generous C- ... If you fairly grade each of the picks it looks like 7 of 9 pick were bad 1 Very Good and 1 could end up good1 - A2 - D3 - C4 - F5 - D6 - D7 - F8 - F9 - F

I agree with Monk. Very good write up but that grade was on a serious curveI would give the Giants 2009 draft a D

I dunno ... maybe my score is inflated slightly. I will admit I think Nicks is an exceedingly good WR so in theory if you've selected a WR that I figure will be a multi-year Pro-Bowler (assuming that sticks around) before all is said and done it's hard to give that draft a flop grade. Even though I don't think the number will be this high in September the Giants do have six of these players still on the roster. That in and of itself makes a D grade seem quite punishing. FWIW, the Draft Tracker website gave the Giants a B.

 

[Hooper31]

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[ExaltedOne]

Redskins

1.13 Brian Orakpo LB Texas

3.80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland

5.158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska

6.186 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian

7.221 Eddie Williams TE Idaho

7.243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada

Players still with team: 1
Starters: 1
Potential future starters: 0
Pro-bowls: 2

Positives: Orakpo, when healthy, is one of the best pass-rushers in the league. He says he is now 100%

Negatives: Orakpo injured his left shoulder and pectoral muscle at the end of the 2011 season and hasn't been on the field much since. He spent most of 2012 on IR. None of the other draft picks have done anything in the NFL. Two of them (Barnes, Williams) are now on the Browns roster.

Grade: B-

Simply a product Orakpo's success. None of the other drafted players are still on the roster but they were all taken kind of late and weren't amazing prospects to begin with.

 

[Hooper31]

Instead of complaining that draft grades are pointless until three years, what say we choose to be productive?

If you wish to participate please include the following:

1. List of drafted players. LINK to DraftHistory.com

2. Players still with team

3. Starters

4. Potential future starters

5. Pro-bowls

6. Positives

7. Negatives

8. Grade

Seattle Seahawks 2009 draft

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest

2 Max Unger C Oregon

3 Deon Butler WR Penn State

4 Mike Teel QB Rutgers

5 Courtney Greene DB Rutgers

6 Nick Reed DE Oregon

7 Cameron Morrah TE California

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Unger is becoming a solid piece of a good young offensive line. Reed wowed some people in preseasons games making big plays, but that never translated to a real game. Morrah has become a dependable backup receiving TE. Butler is still on the roster, but he's behind BMW, Rice, Tate, Baldwin, and Obomanu. I have doubts he will be on the roster when the 2012 regular season starts.

Negatives: Curry was a bust. Measurables were off the chart, but he played with no instincts and was a poor tackler. I lost count of the number of times Curry tried to put a big hit a player that just bounced off and kept moving forward. The sad part was every draft pundit titled Curry with the "can't miss" tag calling him the safest pick in the draft. Seattle traded him to the Raiders for two late round picks (took JR Sweezy in the 7th this year and still have another pick in 2013 from the trade).

Grade: F

Still grade this an F. Only C Max Unger is with the team. According to OL coach Tom Cable his play was better in 2012 than it was in 2013 due to injuries.

 

[Hooper31]

I guess that begs the question, what are people's expectations from a draft class? If 2 starters and 3 backups (100% of the picks, in this case) is "average", how many starters/players still on roster are necessary for an A grade?

This is a good question, and after scanning through the older two threads I'm thinking we're getting a lot of grade inflation in these threads.

22 starters on a team. Teams are getting some starters that were undrafted and/or free agents signings, but you still have to get most of your team from the draft. Most players (even starters) don't have 14 year careers. I don't know the average length of a career from a player that was a "starter" for the majority of that time, but I would guess its around 7 or 8 years at most on average. That means you're going to have to average around 2 to 3 starters in each draft. For a draft to be an A I think you have to get at least 4 starters IMO.

 

[sho nuff]

Packers 1.09 BJ Raji 1.26 Clay Matthews 3.09 TJ Lang 4.09 Quinn Johnson 5.26 Jamon Meredith 6.09 Jarius Wynn 7.14 Brandon Underwood Still with team 4/7 Starters 3/7 Pro-bowls 4 Johnson, Meredith and Underwood no longer with them. Johnson was traded to the Titans last year (I don't even recall what they got for him...may have been a draft pick they used to trade up late in the draft this year) Raji and Matthews are the obvious big time gems that have started since their rookie years. Lang was mostly a tackle backup until last year he started at left guard and played well there. Wynn has been a rotational guy and is nothing special on the D line. Grade: A (getting the impact player of Matthews and then Raji and Lang as well makes this a very good draft)

Obviously Clay still anchors this. Raji slipped some when they tried getting cute with him on the line. I think the move back to true Nose should help some. Make or break year for him on a one year contract after nobody showed real interest in giving him a lot of money.

Lang turned into a solid starting guard and helped solidify that position with Sitton on the other side.

The rest are gone.

 

[moleculo]

Instead of complaining that draft grades are pointless until three years, what say we choose to be productive?

If you wish to participate please include the following:

1. List of drafted players. LINK to DraftHistory.com

2. Players still with team

3. Starters

4. Potential future starters

5. Pro-bowls

6. Positives

7. Negatives

8. Grade

Seattle Seahawks 2009 draft

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest

2 Max Unger C Oregon

3 Deon Butler WR Penn State

4 Mike Teel QB Rutgers

5 Courtney Greene DB Rutgers

6 Nick Reed DE Oregon

7 Cameron Morrah TE California

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Unger is becoming a solid piece of a good young offensive line. Reed wowed some people in preseasons games making big plays, but that never translated to a real game. Morrah has become a dependable backup receiving TE. Butler is still on the roster, but he's behind BMW, Rice, Tate, Baldwin, and Obomanu. I have doubts he will be on the roster when the 2012 regular season starts.

Negatives: Curry was a bust. Measurables were off the chart, but he played with no instincts and was a poor tackler. I lost count of the number of times Curry tried to put a big hit a player that just bounced off and kept moving forward. The sad part was every draft pundit titled Curry with the "can't miss" tag calling him the safest pick in the draft. Seattle traded him to the Raiders for two late round picks (took JR Sweezy in the 7th this year and still have another pick in 2013 from the trade).

Grade: F

Still grade this an F. Only C Max Unger is with the team. According to OL coach Tom Cable his play was better in 2012 than it was in 2013 due to injuries.

bite your tongue. This draft is what won you the Superbowl.

Seattle traded their 2nd round pick (#37 overall) for the Broncos 2010 #1 pick. The Broncos used that second round pick to draft Alphonso Smith, who was traded after one year for a back-up TE. Seattle went on to use that 2010 #1 to select Earl Thomas, the catalyst of the LoB.

No idiotic Josh McD trade = no 2#1's in 2010=no Earl Thomas=no Legion of Boom.

2009 Seahawks draft = A+. You've got to consider the deals you make, not just the players you take.

 

[Hooper31]

2009 Seahawks draft = A+. You've got to consider the deals you make, not just the players you take.

I disagree. No matter how great a single player is you can't give a draft an A+ due to that single player. I think you're anger level with regard to Denver's decision that year is clouding your judgment.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

RAMS

1 (2) OT Jason Smith, Baylor;

2 (35) LB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State;

3 (66) CB Bradley Fletcher, Iowa;

4 (103) DT Darell Scott, Clemson;

5 (160) WR Brooks Foster, North Carolina;

6 (196) QB Keith Null, West Texas A&M;

7 (211) RB Chris Ogbonnaya, Texas

Players still with team: 1
Starters: 1
Potential future starters: 0
Pro-bowls: 0

POSITIVES: Jimmy Larry. Not the best athlete at MLB, but he gets the team in the right calls. Also, Fletcher was a pretty decent corner before his leg fell off.

NEGATIVES: This is they typical Rams draft of years gone by. Spectacular flame-out on the top pick (though it was usually a DT they whiffed on), a couple of serviceable guys, and then utterly nothing in the late rounds.

GRADE: D I'm doing it 5 years after the fact instead of 3, so it may haev been a hair better back when Fletcher was still with the team, but all they got out of the draft was a MLB who is a hair shy on talent but has the heart-and-soul makeup to compensate.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Broncos:

1.12 RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

(3rd-down/change-of-pace-type RB, constantly injured, maybe on his way out.

1.18 DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee

(Starting strongside DE, anchor against the run. Solid pick)

2.37 CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

(Acquired w/ 2010 1st rounder, off the team after 1 season)

2.48 FS Darcel McBath, Texas Tech

(No longer on the team, I think he's a UFA after being cut by the Jags)

2.64 TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina

(Acquired after a trade up, one of the picks traded was used to select Mike Wallace, IIRC, no longer in league)

4.114 FS David Bruton, Notre Dame

(Special teams player & backup safety)

4.132 OG Seth Olsen, Iowa

(out of the league?)

5.141 WR Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

(RIP)

6.174 QB Tom Brandstater, Fresno State

(No longer on team)

7.225 C Blake Schleuter, Texas Christian

(I think he was cut before his rookie training camp was up)

Players still with team: 3

Starters: 1

Potential future starters: 0 outside of Ayers

Pro-bowls: 0

Positives: Aside from Robert Ayers being a decent starting DE, um not much.

Negatives: The entire draft. The horrible trades, the reaches. Ten players selected (5 of them in the 1st 2 rounds) and only 3 of those ten remain with the team.

Maybe the worst draft I have seen by an NFL team. Especially considering how many picks they had in the top 2 rounds. Makes what Elway and Fox have done to turn the team around in 2 years pretty impressive.

F? In retrospect I think the only good pick was Ayers, but so much fail in that draft

can we give a grade lower than F?To really make the Ayers pick look bad - Orakpo and Matthews Jr. were both available and Xanders allegedly lobbied for (Orakpo @ 12 instead of Knowshon).

This was the bounty from the cutler trade.

2.64 TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina(Acquired after a trade up, one of the picks traded was used to select Mike Wallace, IIRC, no longer in league)

Saints just signed this guy out of nowhere.

The Broncos traded picks 79 and 84 to move up to 64 to get him. Apparently a total bust. Not too many 2nd round picks end up with that much nothing.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Pittsburgh Steelers

1.32: Ziggy Hood DE/DT

3.79: Kraig Urbik OG

3.84: Mike Wallace WR

3.96: Keenan Lewis CB

5.168: Joe Burnett CB

5.169: Frank Summers FB

6.205: Ra'Shon Harris DE

7.226: AQ Shipley C

7.241: David Johnson TE/FB

Still with Team: 4/9

Starters: 3-4

Potential Future Starters: 0

Pro Bowls: 2

Positives: Though his future in Pittsburgh in tenuous, Mike Wallace is 1 of the biggest offensive threats in the NFL. Hood has been solid playing an unglorified position and has had significant playing time since 2010. Lewis has improved with every season as is appears locked in as the #2 CB this year. Technically not a starter, Johnson has been a nice 7th pick and has been the team's primary blocking back.

Negatives: Although he's currently starting for the Bills, Urbik was a complete bust to the point that the Steelers didnt even get compensation for him. Burnett and Summers both made the team as rookies but are no longer with the team and had minimal contributions. I believe Shipley and Harris were both cut before the final roster. Really only 1 bust or player that failed to meet expectations based on where they were drafted though.

Grade: B+ Considering 3 of the 4 picks taken before the 5th round are current starters, on a playoff team that is difficult to break into the starting lineup, I consider this draft a success. Wallace is a slam dunk, Hood will likely start for this D for a decade, and I think Lewis' best football is still to come.

The first 4 picks are all still starters in the NFL, so that's a huge plus.

Of course, none of them are playing in PIT now.

 

[Rick James]

Atlanta Falcons

1.24- Peria Jerry (DT)

2.55 - William Moore (DB)

3.90- Christoper Owens (DB)

4.125 - Lawrence Sidburry (DE)

5.138 - William Middleton (CB)

6.156 - Garret Reynolds (T)

6.176 - Spencer Adkins (LB)

7.210 - Vance Walker (DT)

Still with team: 1

Starters : 1

Potential Future Starters: 0

Pro Bowls: 1

Positives: William Moore in the 2nd round was a good pick, and Vance Walker in the 7th was a great pick. Walker left in free agency this year.

Negatives: everything else. Jerry was always injured and never contributed. Owens was an OK nickleback at best. Sidburry never contributed. Reynolds and Adkins never contributed.

Grade: D. Terrible.

 

[JaxBill]

Gene Smith's first draft. Sadly it was all downhill from here.

Three players are still in the league, none with the Jags

It should be pointed out that Derek Cox cost the Jags a 2010 2nd round pick.

2009 1 1 8 8 Eugene Monroe T Virginia 2 2 7 39 Eben Britton T Arizona 3 3 8 72 Terrance Knighton DT Temple 4 3 9 73 Derek Cox DB William & Mary 5 4 7 107 Mike Thomas WR Arizona 6 5 8 144 Jarett Dillard WR Rice 7 6 7 180 Zach Miller TE Nebraska-Omaha 8 7 41 250 Rashad Jennings RB Liberty

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints:

1.14 Malcolm Jenkins - now with the Eagles but a team leader and contributor, and important role player

4.116 Chip Vaughn - beset by injuries, did nothing

4.118 Stanley Arnoux - beset by injuries, did nothing

5.164 Tommy Morstead - has got to be one of the best picks at Punter in the league in the last 10 years; was instrumental to making the SB and of course winning it with the famously executed Ambush kick

Overall, B- > Morstead and Jenkins were important parts to winning the SB and have been serious contributors for 5 years, but otherwise nothing.

 

[Dismattle]

Pittsburgh Steelers

1.32: Ziggy Hood DE/DT

3.79: Kraig Urbik OG

3.84: Mike Wallace WR

3.96: Keenan Lewis CB

5.168: Joe Burnett CB

5.169: Frank Summers FB

6.205: Ra'Shon Harris DE

7.226: AQ Shipley C

7.241: David Johnson TE/FB

Still with Team: 4/9

Starters: 3-4

Potential Future Starters: 0

Pro Bowls: 2

Positives: Though his future in Pittsburgh in tenuous, Mike Wallace is 1 of the biggest offensive threats in the NFL. Hood has been solid playing an unglorified position and has had significant playing time since 2010. Lewis has improved with every season as is appears locked in as the #2 CB this year. Technically not a starter, Johnson has been a nice 7th pick and has been the team's primary blocking back.

Negatives: Although he's currently starting for the Bills, Urbik was a complete bust to the point that the Steelers didnt even get compensation for him. Burnett and Summers both made the team as rookies but are no longer with the team and had minimal contributions. I believe Shipley and Harris were both cut before the final roster. Really only 1 bust or player that failed to meet expectations based on where they were drafted though.

Grade: B+ Considering 3 of the 4 picks taken before the 5th round are current starters, on a playoff team that is difficult to break into the starting lineup, I consider this draft a success. Wallace is a slam dunk, Hood will likely start for this D for a decade, and I think Lewis' best football is still to come.

The first 4 picks are all still starters in the NFL, so that's a huge plus.

Of course, none of them are playing in PIT now.

I think you meant to post in the Human Resources thread..

But Id like to add, kinda along them lines. We all hear that a RB was drafted and/or QB for the sole purpose of competition or something along the lines of "make our guy a better player"

So imho It may offer some comfort to see what has taken place prior to, currently, and what is hoped for:

Lets say the team is concerned about their WR drafted being able to step up after being thru X amt of OTA's etc. Does the team really want more speed/size/ability If they can find out the answer, its a Win Hopefully more often than not, the "veteran" on the team is able to show up, before the rook is needed per-say (unless its like the #1 overall QB)..

Im not sure of the "best example" I can come up with, because were kinda also messing with putting the cart before the horse in some instances (IF always drafting BPA/Trading/Acquiring), but perhaps B Favre because I believe GB may have finally come to the conclusion that a gunslinger was needed (risktaker) whatever I know he started due to injury, which is also somewhat related to thread (read Rivers). Rodgers being drafted is also interesting, but perhaps not quite as much as below

The worst example would probably be Staubach (rookieish -ex Navy) or actually Morton (Veteran by default)... Dallas (Coach Landry) finally had both QB's

Staubach finally "Won"..

However Dallas traded Morton and the teams (QB's) actually met in the SB ( Morton played an extra three yrs too )

imho it wasn't just a job for Coach Landry having both these QB's, it was probably quite time-consuming and draining

In other words IS it really all or nothing to hit on every pick?

IF your asking me I would hope your Team hits on their Top 10 picks, if they have em. Id also be thrilled to see a few Diamond in the roughs from time to time.

But being all giddy over drafting for position players and what not doesn't sound all that great >> Really? so your saying in three to five yrs, youll be rdy to compete just so long as your true WR1 is affordable because of the QBs contract, and the star RB hasn't broken down, The DC hasn't taken a HC position etc.

I know some Rookie in every position has produced like a pro-bowler, but still...

Personally Im inpressed w the Seahawks based on guys like John Schneider (former GB) and Scot McCloughan (former SF), but I wouldn't argue the Belichick machine of gathering extra picks, unless one really catchs the eye

 

[QuizGuy66]

2009 1 1 6 6 Andre Smith T Alabama 2 2 6 38 Rey Maualuga LB USC 3 3 6 70 Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 4 3 34 98 Chase Coffman TE Missouri 5 4 6 106 Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas 6 5 6 142 Kevin Huber P Cincinnati 7 6 6 179 Morgan Trent DB Michigan 8 6 36 209 Bernard Scott RB Abilene Christian 9 7 6 215 Fui Vakapuna RB Brigham Young 10 7 40 249 Clinton McDonald DE Memphis 11 7 43 252 Freddie Brown WR Utah

Quick version now. I'll try and do a full report.

1.06 RT- Andre Smith. Moobs. Waste. Awful. basically these were my reactions at the time. Why didn't they draft that nice kid from the Blindside? The fact of the matter is that 5 years on and they have Andre locked up in his 2nd contract at a reasonable price and that he's a top tier RT. Impossible to believe at the time but the fact is this pick is an A.

2.06 LB - Rey Maualuga. This is the guy we were excited to get. Oh boy he slipped. He's had a couple law scrapes (though none that serious in the bigger scheme of things compared to most players in the league with such scrapes). Looked great that first year. He's regressed into at best JAG. Most Bengals fans would be okay with him being shown the door. Looked better last year after a disastrous '12. Add it all up and I guess it works out like a 2nd round pick usually would. B-

3.06 DE - Michael Johnson. Even though he left for Minnesota the guy was a beast when he was here and everything we wanted. Just too expensive to keep. A+

3.34 TE - Chase Coffman. Star rookie of the '09 edition of Hard Knocks which was a highlight real of him not progressing. A lot of hype on him as being a good pick (and really the first such TE pick by the Bengals in forever at the time). We've drafted two first round TEs since then which says it all. Bit player on the Falcons - not even sure he's still there now but if he is we'll get another highlight real of him getting hassled by the coaches in the film room and doing pushups. D

4.06 C - Jonathan Luigs Waived after a year of backing up Kyle Cook. Never picked up anywhere else. D-

5.06 P - Kevin Huber A premier superstar awesome stud punter. Only the sagest of analysts could have seen the Bengals picking this punter in round 5 of this draft http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=450513&page=1#entry10252857 and he hasn't disappointed confounding returners with his booming left-footed punts as they cower in fear when the ball comes their way. Will be the 2nd punter in the Hall of Fame after Ray Guy. In fact they might kick Ray Guy out when they induct Huber. A++++++

6.06 DB - Morgan Trent Had some moments in his 2 1/2 years with the Bengals which is good for a 6th rounder. B-

6.36 RB - Bernard Scott Never reached the hype level that the fan base put on him but was a decent backup in his time here. Still in the league. On the real this is a B- pick especially given the pick that he was made at.

7.06 FB - Fui Vakapuna Never really caught on with the Bengals playing a little in 2 stints. Fringe player overall. C-

7.40 DL - Clinton McDonald - just signed a 4-year deal with the Bucs after winning a Super Bowl in Seattle. Very late bloomer who did nothing with the Bengals in 2 seasons. C-

7.43 WR - Freddie Brown - Never played a game after being on practice squad. F.

Overall this was a productive draft - I'd probably give it a B+

-QG

 

[Hooper31]

Bump

 

[sho nuff]

Packers 1.09 BJ Raji 1.26 Clay Matthews 3.09 TJ Lang 4.09 Quinn Johnson 5.26 Jamon Meredith 6.09 Jarius Wynn 7.14 Brandon Underwood Still with team 4/7 Starters 3/7 Pro-bowls 4 Johnson, Meredith and Underwood no longer with them. Johnson was traded to the Titans last year (I don't even recall what they got for him...may have been a draft pick they used to trade up late in the draft this year) Raji and Matthews are the obvious big time gems that have started since their rookie years. Lang was mostly a tackle backup until last year he started at left guard and played well there. Wynn has been a rotational guy and is nothing special on the D line. Grade: A (getting the impact player of Matthews and then Raji and Lang as well makes this a very good draft)

Obviously Clay still anchors this. Raji slipped some when they tried getting cute with him on the line. I think the move back to true Nose should help some. Make or break year for him on a one year contract after nobody showed real interest in giving him a lot of money.

Lang turned into a solid starting guard and helped solidify that position with Sitton on the other side.

The rest are gone.

Not much changed. Raji was a punt last year with injury...and gets another prove it contract.

Matthews is still awesome and Lang still a very good guard.

Good draft that is still paying off.

 

[Biabreakable]

Minnesota Vikings[SIZE=10.5pt][/SIZE]

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[SIZE=10.5pt]1.22 Percy Harvin (WR/KR)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]2.22 Phil Loadholt (Right Tackle)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]3.22 Asher Allen (DB)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]5.14 Jasper Brinkley (MLB)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]7.22 Jamarca Sanford (Safety)[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=10.5pt]Still with team[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]: 2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Starters[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt] [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]: 4[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Potential Future Starters:[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt] [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]1[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Pro Bowls:[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt] [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]1[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=10.5pt]Positives[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]: According to PFR Phil Loadholt has started six seasons. Jamarca Sanford started as a gunner on special teams and became a starter at safety for three seasons. Jasper Brinkley was a two down middle linebacker after Henderson retired. He started for two seasons after a year in Arizona in between. Percy Harvin started for two and provided excellent kick return ability. The Vikings traded him to the Seahawks for pick 25 of the 2013 draft which they used to draft Xavier Rhodes who is a starting corner for the Vikings. They also received the Seahawks third round pick in 2014 which they used to draft Jerrick McKinnon who could potentially be a starting running back for the Vikings in the future. They also received a seventh round pick but it is not clear to me which player they specifically selected with that pick.[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=10.5pt]Negatives[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]: Asher Allen never developed into a starting corner or free safety. Percy Harvin was not a long term answer at WR which led to the Vikings trading up to select Cordarralle Patterson who has been a good kick returner but has not yet developed into a starting WR.[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=10.5pt]Grade[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]: A. Some productive seasons from most of this group. Being able to recoup draft value in the Harvin trade makes this draft class better than just good. Even with only five selections.[/SIZE]

 

[bucsbaby]

Bucs 2009 1 1 17 17 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State 2 3 17 81 Roy Miller DT Texas 3 4 17 117 Kyle Moore DE USC 4 5 19 155 Xavier Fulton T Illinois 5 7 8 217 E.J. Biggers DB Western Michigan 6 7 24 233 Sam. Stroughter WR Oregon State *2nd round pick traded for Winslow 2. Players still with team: 5/7 if you include Winslow, 4/6 if not 3. Starters: 1 4. Potential future starters: 0 5. Pro-bowls: 0 6. Positives: Freeman could develop into a franchise QB, Winslow has been productive at TE, Miller/Stroughter have been decent spot/rotational players, Biggers has been ok nickel/dime depth at CB 7. Negatives: A lot hinges on whether Freeman develops into a franchise QB. If yes, then very good draft. If no, then below average draft. QB being so valuable makes it this way imo. 8. Grade: A (if Freeman develops into a franchise QB) or C (if not). Rationale: Got good value out of 2nd round pick and the pair of 7th round picks. Would have liked to see more from Miller, but he has been ok-ish. A couple picks not with the team, but not uncommon for most drafts. If Freeman becomes a franchise QB to add to that, then that is a very good draft imo. If he busts out, then that sets the franchise back quite a bit.

Wow, looking back now, a C is extremely generous. F is more like it.

 

[Killtops]

Baltimore Ravens

1.23- Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

The hype for Oher was overblown from the start. His "blind side" fame produced expectations that he never did fully live up to. However, if he hadn't been the subject of both a book and film titles "the blind side" people would recognize him as a better-than-average, long-term starter at right tackle. The Ravens won a Superbowl with him starting at right tackle, and playing very well at that.

Grade: C+ - It's hard to grade this one due to skewed expectations, but this pick was a solid one, perhaps slightly better than average at 1.23. Oher should continue to have a long career as a starter.

2.57 - Paul Kruger, DE, Utah

It took a few years for him to develop, but Kruger was one of the Raven's best players in their run to the Superbowl in 2012. He had 9.0 sacks as a situational pass rusher in the regular season and took over in the playoffs, capping his inspired play with two key sacks in the Superbowl. He left to sign a big-money deal with the Browns in 2013, and had 11.0 sacks as a starter last year.

Grade: B+ - This pick would have been a "A" or "A+" if the Ravens would have got more than one year of production out of Kruger. However, the fact that the Ravens maybe don't win a Superbowl without his playoff dominance is still worth a B+. Another team that doesn't follow Ozzie's philosophy on compensatory picks probably would have paid to keep Kruger. He remains a good starter in the league.

2.88 - Lardarius Webb, CB, Nicholls State

At one one point, it looked like Webb was destined to become one of the next great corners in the NFL. Since a torn ACL in 2012 and a back injury last year, those expectations have been tempered, but when he's healthy he is a key contributor to the Raven's long-standing tradition of great defence. He signed a big 6 year extension in 2012 before his injury, and the Ravens just restructured his contract to keep him around.

Grade: B - This could have been another "A" if Webb had stayed healthy. Even so, he remains a starter, and should be a very good one if he can stay on the field.

5.137 - Jason Phillips, LB, TCU

Phillips stuck around the league for a while and made a start or two for the Eagles, but never really made an impact anywhere.

Grade: D - Had some staying power in the NFL at least.

5.149 - Davin Drew, TE, East Carolina

Who?

Grade: F

6.185 - Cedric Peerman, RB, Virginia

Never made a real impact with the Ravens, but he was still in the league last year, contributing as as special teams captain with the Bengals.

Grade: C+ A six year career from a 6th rounder is not too shabby.

Overall Grade: B

Players still with team: 1

Starters: 3 (1 in Baltimore, 2 elsewhere)

Potential future starters: 0

Pro Bowls: 0

Despite getting zero Pro Bowlers, this was a good draft. The Ravens hit on their first three picks, getting two big Superbowl contributors and a player who may still be the best in their secondary. Had circumstances been different (lower profile, earlier move to RT for Oher; earlier production from Kruger; fewer injuries for Webb), this would have been a very special draft.

 

[flapgreen]

Hate that I looked at that link. Bears don't have a single player on their roster who they drafted from 2009-2011. :X