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Undocumented Immigrant Thread (2 Viewers)
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msommer
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The Commish
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There are millions of people OK with the fact that Trump has shut down DHS to get a wall. You really want to go down that path?
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Trump's at (-14.3) today approve - disapprove. That's his worst showing in almost a year, and the trend is clearly down. He's been as deep as (-21) before, so there's a lot of room to fall yet.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Also love the argument that "government doesn't do anything" as they force DHS, FBI, FDA, IRS, TSA to work without pay and the DOD and some others are exempted from the shut down all together. So, just counting people who are IMMEDIATELY protecting the country or otherwise serving an indispensable role, there are a ton. And that's without even touching on the areas with longer-term consequences.
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TobiasFunke
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IMO this is a flawed analysis in a number of respects.
First, while it's certainly true that Trump does not care about the government being shut down in terms of how it impacts people's lives (because he simply doesn't care about people's lives at all), he does care very much about winning reelection in 2020 and staying out of prison. For that he needs at least reasonable approval ratings- maybe above 40ish% to have a shot at reelection- and a continued economic boom. A prolonged shutdown would badly damage the prospects for both of those. That's why he's taking steps to minimize the impact of the shutdown on the day to day lives of Americans and catering to GOP financial backers like the oil and gas industry to ensure they'll fund his campaign.
Second, I think you've read the political winds wrong. The Dems are unified on this. Unlike with the GOP, there hasn't been a single break from the party line. This is likely because the public is overwhelmingly behind them on this, and they've got the President copping to the shutdown being his doing in the oval office in front of cameras and reporters, as well as putting 100% of the blame for shutdowns on the president during the Obama-era ones. They've also got the GOP Senators having voted unanimously to support the exact legislation they've passed through the House. Those GOP members- including the ones in swing states and/or up for reelection in 2020- will have to explain to their constituents why they voted for a bill in late December but refused to take up the same bill in early January. They can only blame Mitch McConnell for so long. And if they eventually force Mitch to break with the president, the president would suffer the ultimate humiliation- a veto override despite his party having firm control of the Senate.
My prediction is that ultimately Trump will take some small concession or promise of a concession that will allow him to fake victory in exchange for signing a new spending measure. Maybe a couple billion for "border security" or a smaller amount for new "fencing" or whatever. This will happen whenever the impact on the public reaches a breaking point- TSA mass sick-out, food-borne illness spreading, people not getting their tax refunds in a timely manner, etc. If we had a pool I'd probably take something mid-February.
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joffer
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
It is becoming more and more obvious that the Radical Democrats are a Party of open borders and crime. They want nothing to do with the major Humanitarian Crisis on our Southern Border. #2020!
Now ask yourself, why is he talking about 2020 in this tweet?
Because he doesn't want a wall. He wants an issue to campaign on.
Honestly, with the economy heading the way it is, what else does he possibly have to campaign on?
He's got 1 card to play: Fear
It is becoming more and more obvious that the Radical Democrats are a Party of open borders and crime. They want nothing to do with the major Humanitarian Crisis on our Southern Border. #2020!
Now ask yourself, why is he talking about 2020 in this tweet?
Because he doesn't want a wall. He wants an issue to campaign on.
Honestly, with the economy heading the way it is, what else does he possibly have to campaign on?
He's got 1 card to play: Fear
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The General
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Probably posted already just read this:
El Chappo says drugs smuggled through legal points of entry
Used to be tunnels and now they just drive it through.
Wall would produce nice shade for them while they dig tunnels though.
El Chappo says drugs smuggled through legal points of entry
Used to be tunnels and now they just drive it through.
Wall would produce nice shade for them while they dig tunnels though.
It's Obama's fault. He wanted credit a couple of months ago when he wasn't getting it, so he can have it now.
Of course the Democrat way is to blame everyone else anyway, so it doesn't matter.
TobiasFunke
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I dunno. Delivering an hour-long speech that doesn't even start until 9:15 has to be exhausting and annoying for a senile man who works 4 hours a day three days a week. I imagine he wouldn't mind all that much just handing the writing assignment over the Stephen Miller and Vladimir Putin and calling it a day.
Plus it frees up another evening for eating too much fast food and getting angry at people on the internet. I certainly can't throw stones at him for that.
Henry Ford
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That’s a new one. Giving the new administration credit for two years and then going back to blame the old one is a different way to go.
ConnSKINS26
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...what? He inherited a booming economy, took credit for it, and then did nearly every asinine thing he could to tank it for no reason other than not knowing what the hell he was doing.
Skoo
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Did you really put those two sentences together with a straight face or are you just pulling our chains?
Banger
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msommer
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The General
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I know you won't see it and I don't care, but I am so hurt.
Waaah. I can't read something from someone with an opposite opinion so I must put him on ignore.
And you guys say Trump is childish.
2Squirrels1Nut
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The General
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Yep. It is sad that Democrats do that and blame others all the time instead of taking personal responsibility.
2Squirrels1Nut
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Condom. I only pretend to put it on and then hide it in my poop cannon.
The General
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How is this not on Trump? He has said it in every possible way.
Unti the #### starts hitting the fan then “the buck stops with everybody”
Pathetic.
Banger
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please stop...he's clearly trolling.How is this not on Trump? He has said it in every possible way.
Unti the #### starts hitting the fan then “the buck stops with everybody”
Pathetic.
As I said, I am not trolling. I back anyone that has an (R) by their name, even though I am not that big of a fan of Trump, and dislike anyone with a (D) by their name.
Just an FYI, you're putting energy into trying to have a legitimate conversation with posty from FFToday. Good luck.
Banger
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joffer
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The General
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Trump just going to end up doing the SotU from the Oval Office.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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This whole thing is like a terrorist rounded up a bunch of hostages and is making demands or he'll kill them. And really, he means it this time.
Except the people he's actually taken hostage include all the other terrorists. And he can't kill just some of them -- either everyone dies or no one does.
So, yeah. Nancy's going to keep telling him to pound sand until all the terrorists come out with their hands up.
Except the people he's actually taken hostage include all the other terrorists. And he can't kill just some of them -- either everyone dies or no one does.
So, yeah. Nancy's going to keep telling him to pound sand until all the terrorists come out with their hands up.
belljr
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sho nuff
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Henry Ford
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How many is “many many many many”? Because my math is suggesting this means “many” can’t mean more than two.
Skoo
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TobiasFunke
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I hope he submits it in writing and that we go back to doing it that way every year. There's really no reason for the televised ovation-fest that the SOTU has become.. It's a waste of time, money and prime-time broadcast spots.
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