No argument here regarding Kap's progression issues. He's going to have to improve in that area no doubt but even with those issues we were still a few points away from both the one seed and a trip to another SB. Does he suck at moving through his progressions, sure. But he also can make key plays at times that put them in positions to win that few can. I am more excited by the depth than the idea that they are ever going to be an outstanding passing team. Maybe this will allow them a few more 3 WR looks this year in the RZ than normal. Anything IMO to help them convert more TD's.
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*** The 8-8 San Francisco 49ers - Let's forget 2014 thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Well, we also have to assume that the WR corp stays healthy as well, since the karma seems to have a sort of weird mathematic of "add one WR, then subtract two". Which leads to depth, and they don't really have much there if even one WR goes down.
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In other news:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/05/09/crash-witness-sues-49ers-culliver-over-brass-knuckles-incident/
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/05/09/crash-witness-sues-49ers-culliver-over-brass-knuckles-incident/
Oh, and the ehomer fan comment of the day:San Francisco 49ers cornerback Chris Culliver is being sued by the man who says the football player threatened him with brass knuckles after Culliver allegedly slammed into a bicyclist in San Jose and tried to flee.
Culliver, 25, was driving recklessly in his Ford Mustang on a suspended license when he struck a bicyclist shortly after 10 a.m. March 28 at Tully Road and South Seventh Street in south San Jose, police said.
As Culliver left the scene, Marc Santos, who witnessed the crash, followed Culliver in his sport utility vehicle and cornered him on a nearby street, police said.
In a lawsuit filed last month in Santa Clara County Superior Court, Santos said Culliver got out of his car and threatened him with brass knuckles before trying to flee again. Culliver’s alleged escape attempt was thwarted when he ran into Santos’ Yukon Denali, the suit says.
Santos’ wife and three children were with him in the SUV. None of them was injured.Officers arrived and arrested Culliver without incident. He was booked into Santa Clara County jail and has pleaded not guilty to charges of misdemeanor hit-and-run and felony possession of brass knuckles.The bicyclist suffered minor injuries, police said.
Santos said in the suit that he and his family were the victims of “violent, reckless, oppressive, malicious, depraved, despicable and morally reprehensible crimes and other related behavior committed by” Culliver, who acted “by way of self-centered arrogance.”
YEAH, WHAT WOULD HAD HAPPENED IF CULLIVER PULLED OUT A GUN AND STARTED SHOOTING?
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Well, time to revisit once again the 2011 draft, now with Culliver back in the news.
1. Aldon Smith - not since Rep. Peter Russo on House of Cards have I seen a similar career trajectory in an NFL player as of recent. I figure Smith waking up to drawn curtains revealing daylight an hour before his court date after another bender. This time with Irish Car Bombs in place of imagined bombs to down a Malaysian airliner. It's safe to say he is delusional as well as a huge bust of a draft pick. But oh yes, he has plenty of love, plenty of support, plenty of fans behind him every step of the way. Unless they get in his way of his next drink.
2. Colin Kaepernick - funny thing is, he still may not be the Franchise QBOTF. Even though he has huge upside and physical talent. The 49er passing offense has improved however slightly with Kaep under center over his predecessor in Alex Smith. His legs are enough to keep him under center (unless Blaine Gabbert stops being a turtle and like, starts to look like a serviceable QB), but his decision making and overall QB play need to take the next step towards improving the passing offense more dramatically, enough to warrant a big time contract, which the 49ers might be hesitant to grant him. They shouldn't at this point. Sure he again has a huge upside, but he hasn't proven it as an overall field general. This season is his chance to put more of it together. I don't feel he may turn out to one of the Elite as far as a passer (when he can still at times look like Geno Smith), but I love a big time arm, and Kaep has one. I believe in Kaep, so I'm sold on this pick.
3. Chris Culliver - Ok, another example of potential derailed by decisions off the field. When you see a run on DBs during the latest draft, chances are there are preparations for life without you. When you are spending most of the off-season in tolerance and anger management programs, you may have social issues. When you are driving with a suspended license and cause a hit and run, well, you have maturity issues period. Instead of spending an off-season developing your on the field skills, you are spending it apologizing for your lack of skills off of it. Now when they mention Culliver and hit and run in the same sentence, it's not about his football skills. He couldn't even cover a good Samaritan.
4. Kendall Hunter - Like my Samsung phone, I have to try and hack it in order to make it work. When I press an app, it lags when it has to launch. Same goes for Hunter when he touches the ball. Right now my Samsung is on the shelf because I bricked it. Much like Hunter who runs with a load of them. Thing is I can throw my phone against the wall and put a hole in it. You throw Hunter against a wall and it's an 8 yard loss behind the line of scrimmage.
5. Daniel Kilgore - At this point a versatile backup, but not of the Pro-Bowl potential on the offensive line as starter at this point. Hasn't had to start in any games yet, has had an off field issue as well, but otherwise adds depth with the potential of being solid and workmanlike. Not much to see here yet, but again he is just depth for the offensive line at this point, which is always a good thing when you can eek out a career as one.
6. Ronald Johnson - Not with the team.
6. Colin Jones - Not with the team.
7. Bruce Miller - Former defensive player out of college to converted fullback, one of the nice suprises of the 2011 draft that has to lend credit both Miller and the coaching staff. His 2013 season where he caught 25 receptions for 243 yards as an outlet for Kaep was huge, given the loss of TE Delanie Walker and the morose of his replacement in TE Vance McDonald. Miller IMO is the success of the 2011 draft over Smith and Culliver. Because he exceeds expectations, and doesn't take it for granted.
7. Michael Person - Not with the team
7. Curtis Holcomb - Not with the team
So far you have at least three players out of the 2011 draft, the "signature draft" of Trent Baalke who has the best chance of being with the team for the long term, and at least two that should see starting the 2014 regular season without any off field incidents (with Miller maybe being healthy enough to start). You might say "well, how can one foresee off field issues and injuries?". Well, that's why you grade a draft 4 years down the road. To see who is left after it.
1. Aldon Smith - not since Rep. Peter Russo on House of Cards have I seen a similar career trajectory in an NFL player as of recent. I figure Smith waking up to drawn curtains revealing daylight an hour before his court date after another bender. This time with Irish Car Bombs in place of imagined bombs to down a Malaysian airliner. It's safe to say he is delusional as well as a huge bust of a draft pick. But oh yes, he has plenty of love, plenty of support, plenty of fans behind him every step of the way. Unless they get in his way of his next drink.
2. Colin Kaepernick - funny thing is, he still may not be the Franchise QBOTF. Even though he has huge upside and physical talent. The 49er passing offense has improved however slightly with Kaep under center over his predecessor in Alex Smith. His legs are enough to keep him under center (unless Blaine Gabbert stops being a turtle and like, starts to look like a serviceable QB), but his decision making and overall QB play need to take the next step towards improving the passing offense more dramatically, enough to warrant a big time contract, which the 49ers might be hesitant to grant him. They shouldn't at this point. Sure he again has a huge upside, but he hasn't proven it as an overall field general. This season is his chance to put more of it together. I don't feel he may turn out to one of the Elite as far as a passer (when he can still at times look like Geno Smith), but I love a big time arm, and Kaep has one. I believe in Kaep, so I'm sold on this pick.
3. Chris Culliver - Ok, another example of potential derailed by decisions off the field. When you see a run on DBs during the latest draft, chances are there are preparations for life without you. When you are spending most of the off-season in tolerance and anger management programs, you may have social issues. When you are driving with a suspended license and cause a hit and run, well, you have maturity issues period. Instead of spending an off-season developing your on the field skills, you are spending it apologizing for your lack of skills off of it. Now when they mention Culliver and hit and run in the same sentence, it's not about his football skills. He couldn't even cover a good Samaritan.
4. Kendall Hunter - Like my Samsung phone, I have to try and hack it in order to make it work. When I press an app, it lags when it has to launch. Same goes for Hunter when he touches the ball. Right now my Samsung is on the shelf because I bricked it. Much like Hunter who runs with a load of them. Thing is I can throw my phone against the wall and put a hole in it. You throw Hunter against a wall and it's an 8 yard loss behind the line of scrimmage.
5. Daniel Kilgore - At this point a versatile backup, but not of the Pro-Bowl potential on the offensive line as starter at this point. Hasn't had to start in any games yet, has had an off field issue as well, but otherwise adds depth with the potential of being solid and workmanlike. Not much to see here yet, but again he is just depth for the offensive line at this point, which is always a good thing when you can eek out a career as one.
6. Ronald Johnson - Not with the team.
6. Colin Jones - Not with the team.
7. Bruce Miller - Former defensive player out of college to converted fullback, one of the nice suprises of the 2011 draft that has to lend credit both Miller and the coaching staff. His 2013 season where he caught 25 receptions for 243 yards as an outlet for Kaep was huge, given the loss of TE Delanie Walker and the morose of his replacement in TE Vance McDonald. Miller IMO is the success of the 2011 draft over Smith and Culliver. Because he exceeds expectations, and doesn't take it for granted.
7. Michael Person - Not with the team
7. Curtis Holcomb - Not with the team
So far you have at least three players out of the 2011 draft, the "signature draft" of Trent Baalke who has the best chance of being with the team for the long term, and at least two that should see starting the 2014 regular season without any off field incidents (with Miller maybe being healthy enough to start). You might say "well, how can one foresee off field issues and injuries?". Well, that's why you grade a draft 4 years down the road. To see who is left after it.
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drummer
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Funny thing that came to mind:
I have lap dog Maiocco on my Facebook feed (I had to add him back when I wrote for a 49er blog), and he still posts about Alex Smith. This time about a commencement speech he had at Utah.
"Still one of the classiest guys I covered in the NFL"
You only cover one team Maiocco, and even then, you aren't objective doing that.
I posted on the feed:
"Surprised he didn't take a sack walking to the podium".
That didn't go over well, lol. I even had a person call me MR. SMART MAN.
I asked if she was Sam Kinison in Back to School.
GB 49er fans.
I have lap dog Maiocco on my Facebook feed (I had to add him back when I wrote for a 49er blog), and he still posts about Alex Smith. This time about a commencement speech he had at Utah.
"Still one of the classiest guys I covered in the NFL"
You only cover one team Maiocco, and even then, you aren't objective doing that.
I posted on the feed:
"Surprised he didn't take a sack walking to the podium".
That didn't go over well, lol. I even had a person call me MR. SMART MAN.
I asked if she was Sam Kinison in Back to School.
GB 49er fans.
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With rookie drafts going on, I wanted to throw my thoughts on Hyde out there and see if my fellow Niner fans agree.
In the past 4 drafts, we have spent a 4 (Kendall Hunter), 2 (LM James), 4 (Lattimore), and 2 (Hyde) on RBs. This is an awful lot of assets to spend on the RB position. The fact that Anthony Dixon even got a carry last year is--to me--an indictment of the crew as a whole. It very well could be that players have not panned out as expected (LMJ), but I think it is fair to say that nobody has really been provided a substantial opportunity to play due to Gore's success and longevity.
To me, Lattimore was a BPA selection that was to be the heir apparent to Frank if he could come back healthy. Hyde's selection--along with Lattimore's recent comments on his lack of burst--tell me that the team is no longer planning on Marcus being the heir.
I think Hyde will have opportunity sooner rather than later--and Rathman will get him pass blocking in camp, no doubt. I have Hyde ranked above Sankey and after my elite 3 WRs (Sammy / Evans / Cooks).
In the past 4 drafts, we have spent a 4 (Kendall Hunter), 2 (LM James), 4 (Lattimore), and 2 (Hyde) on RBs. This is an awful lot of assets to spend on the RB position. The fact that Anthony Dixon even got a carry last year is--to me--an indictment of the crew as a whole. It very well could be that players have not panned out as expected (LMJ), but I think it is fair to say that nobody has really been provided a substantial opportunity to play due to Gore's success and longevity.
To me, Lattimore was a BPA selection that was to be the heir apparent to Frank if he could come back healthy. Hyde's selection--along with Lattimore's recent comments on his lack of burst--tell me that the team is no longer planning on Marcus being the heir.
I think Hyde will have opportunity sooner rather than later--and Rathman will get him pass blocking in camp, no doubt. I have Hyde ranked above Sankey and after my elite 3 WRs (Sammy / Evans / Cooks).
Wingnut
Footballguy
Stevie Johnson on the trade, his role in SF and his new QBs cannon arm.
http://www.49ers.com/news/blog/article-2/Stevie-Johnson-on-Colin-Kaepernick%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98Cannon%E2%80%99-Arm-Strength-49ers-Rivalry-with-Seattle-Seahawks/db4dd4bb-dcc1-4f42-89bb-ecd65ddc1d1e?campaign=social_20140514_23907244
http://www.49ers.com/news/blog/article-2/Stevie-Johnson-on-Colin-Kaepernick%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98Cannon%E2%80%99-Arm-Strength-49ers-Rivalry-with-Seattle-Seahawks/db4dd4bb-dcc1-4f42-89bb-ecd65ddc1d1e?campaign=social_20140514_23907244
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They are a running offense. Don't forget how much they have invested in the offensive line. More than the days of Walsh.5Rings said:
Lattimore to me is a reach pick. He could have great upside, but shelving him for a season to get to 100% while not knowing what he can bring to the NFL game is a reach. More than likely it will be all Gore again this season, unless he get's hurt. More than likely it will be all Gore in 2015, lol.
drummer
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I think we've seen what Minus Yardage Hunter can do. Which is get blown up behind the LOS.
Norcalhoya
Footballguy
Def Gore this year, don't think anyone doubts that. He'll be 32 in 2015 though without a contract. Maybe they sign him to a 1 year deal, but only to be a situational player. I'd be shocked if Hyde didn't lead the team in carries in 2015. Outside shot for Lattimore I guess, but he has to come back all the way.
Spin
Footballguy
Apparently Vernon Davis is skipping OTAs and trying to get a new contract per Matt Maiocco
Seems about right, not sure how much more he really expects to make.
Wingnut
Footballguy
The 49ers and Colin Kaepernick have reached agreement on a record-breaking six-year contract extension that will lock in the quarterback through the 2020 season. The two sides met all day Tuesday as well as today in Santa Clara. The deal is worth as much as $126 million. The $61 million guarantee is the largest ever in NFL.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/04/6458117/49ers-strike-record-six-year-deal.html#storylink=cpy
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/04/6458117/49ers-strike-record-six-year-deal.html#storylink=cpy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Relax. Kaep has one full year as a starting QB under his belt. The window isn't closed yet.
drummer
Footballguy
This is exactly the kind of thing we don't want here. Take some time off and try next week. You seem like you know football so we value your opinions here. But this kind of bickering and slap fight stuff is not what we want. If you're unable to stay away from that, find another board.drummer said:
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He hired new agents, Relativity Sports. Who knows what that means in the long run, but I guess contract talks won't happen until later after this season (the 49ers opted his 2015 contract), and I don't know what's going on with his gun charges.johnadams said:
Either way he is walking a fine line in SF. Say for instance scheme wise they get as much sack production without Smith as they would with him. The 49ers still won without him, and his value is really predicated on whether he stays sober or not. Who knows if his new agents have a contingency plan, and are working towards rehabbing both in his image and as well as his off field issues, but it looks like Smith wants a big pay day in the future, but of the 49ers can get the sack production without him, and he still has issues that lead him to be what he has been - a bust - than yeah, new agents have their work cut out for them.
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No kidding. Hydes role and how the CB situation plays out are the two things I am most interested in at this point.
LaMichael James dislocated his elbow in practice today and could be out for a month. Word is Lattimore is close but with the question marks surrounding him I would guess they have to bring in one or two others at this point. Hyde is definitely going to have a chance to shine but other than Hampton they don't have any depth behind Gore.
On the CB topic sounds like Brock is having a strong camp thus far and Culliver appears to be back to full strength. CB is the position I am most interested in as well. It appears the two starters and the rookie Ward are having pretty good camps thus far, granted it's only 3-4 days in.
I am really looking forward to the preseason this year. So many players to keep an eye on. Carradine, Hyde, new WR's and DB's, LB battle. A lot of new faces in the mix.
On the CB topic sounds like Brock is having a strong camp thus far and Culliver appears to be back to full strength. CB is the position I am most interested in as well. It appears the two starters and the rookie Ward are having pretty good camps thus far, granted it's only 3-4 days in.
I am really looking forward to the preseason this year. So many players to keep an eye on. Carradine, Hyde, new WR's and DB's, LB battle. A lot of new faces in the mix.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
@AdamSchefter: 49ers DT Glenn Dorsey is out for the year with a torn bicep, per source.
Spin
Footballguy
Quiet week in this thread...
Hunter waived then cleared waivers and put on IR. Surprised when I first heard it, but makes sense. He's done for the year. Is the last year of his contract, why would another team pick him up?
Gabbert looked... well.. gabbert-esque. Was actually looking forward to seeing him in the first game after the reports from camp seemed glowing, but he was awful. On the plus side, Johnson looked good.
Hyde looked really good, better then I was expecting.
I was hoping the Boone contract situation would be worked out quickly, but the newest trade rumors have me worried.
Hunter waived then cleared waivers and put on IR. Surprised when I first heard it, but makes sense. He's done for the year. Is the last year of his contract, why would another team pick him up?
Gabbert looked... well.. gabbert-esque. Was actually looking forward to seeing him in the first game after the reports from camp seemed glowing, but he was awful. On the plus side, Johnson looked good.
Hyde looked really good, better then I was expecting.
I was hoping the Boone contract situation would be worked out quickly, but the newest trade rumors have me worried.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
are Niners' fans worried yet? would love to hear what they think...
They are running a very vanilla gameplan. Let's check back after the full starting squads play for a full game.
drummer
Footballguy
How is Hunter working out now?
ETA: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuntKe00/gamelog/2013/
Math as well as logic aren't strong suits of yours. Humor is.
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BaBastage
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It's hard to say. Harbaugh doesn't give a hoot about the media or winning preseason games. They barely practiced this week (having spend extra days on the road after the Baltimore game.)
But three points after 8 quarters of preseason games doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
