Bailey does seem an interesting player that could come on as the season progresses. Pettis' excellent work ethic and great shape he showed up in was wonderful to see I'm sure, but he's not a thoroughbred here. It "feels" like Quick or Bailey will outclass him and take his spot soon enough.
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Shutout
Footballguy
What I said then is what I'll say now. It's the hands guys. Boil down anything you want when you talk WRs but when you have a guy with exceptional hands, they quickly find their way onto a field; especially when the team has flopped for the last two years trying to find a guy to fit that role. This guy, to me, is Boldin and Wayne. He will never be confused for Julio Jones but he will be that guy that people look up one day and say "this guy...every weeks its like 5-7 catches. He just keeps on keeping on."
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
I hope he starts next year, even if they add Watkins/Evans, in two WR sets, with Austin in on three WR sets.
He is already the most talented possession WR on the team, and reminds me of Hines Ward in some ways (tough, physical, athletic while not testing off the charts).
The Rams have trouble at times identifying their best talent (Stacy had one carry in the first month).
I heard someone last week say he made the special teams play of the year and Fish wants to get him more time. He got more time. The play involved him spinning away and tackling. I didn't see this. I'm hoping Bob or someone else can shed more light on this.
Nothing given, hard work earns more time....this could be said for Brian Quick too. He had three catches also IIRC. Fisher does his part well in building a young team-they gotta keep giving him the pieces though. In TEN it often felt like they added as much talent as they lost and they weren't making progress.
Nothing given, hard work earns more time....this could be said for Brian Quick too. He had three catches also IIRC. Fisher does his part well in building a young team-they gotta keep giving him the pieces though. In TEN it often felt like they added as much talent as they lost and they weren't making progress.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Fisher is often very reluctant to start rookies.
Watkins/Bailey/Austin with Pettis and Quick as backups has potential to be very good.
who would he start over though?
Fisher's guy (RIP) was Heimerdinger for many years. 'Dinger was awesome at creating mismatches by moving players around often enough where a D was oh so stuck with a bad matchup. Bailey, Quick, and Austin are quite different players. Throw in Cook who they are probably stuck with(cap wise). Austin can play RB. Cook did play a bit of FB in TEN and some WR. I'd be intrigued to know Fish and Co. are scheming to put just about anyone in just about any spot.
It's tough to come up with enough time for Bailey unless they get creative. While not productivity-wise just yet, they are deep.
Fisher's guy (RIP) was Heimerdinger for many years. 'Dinger was awesome at creating mismatches by moving players around often enough where a D was oh so stuck with a bad matchup. Bailey, Quick, and Austin are quite different players. Throw in Cook who they are probably stuck with(cap wise). Austin can play RB. Cook did play a bit of FB in TEN and some WR. I'd be intrigued to know Fish and Co. are scheming to put just about anyone in just about any spot.
It's tough to come up with enough time for Bailey unless they get creative. While not productivity-wise just yet, they are deep.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Bailey is a natural complement to Austin. Givens is not (and he has regressed badly). Quick is too raw and taking too long to get it (who knows if he ever will?). Pettis is a stop gap, replacement level talent that struggles to get open. Bailey has the talent to earn the coaches respect further given the opportunity, and increasingly force his way onto the field more with his play.
After being low man on the totem pole among the rams WR corp for most of the season, I think he has a legit chance to leap frog all three (Givens, Quick and Pettis) next season.
Even if they add a blue chip WR prospect in the 2014 draft like Watkins or Evans (which I'm advocating), imo Bailey is destined to emerge as one of the top three WRs on the roster with his West Virginia teammate Austin.
socrates
Footballguy
I will be watching with great dynasty interest how the Rams utilize Bailey over the course of the rest of the season. Bailey has the talent and ability to produce at the NFL level if he can get on the field. The kid is a tremendous football player, and what he lacks in elite physical attributes, he supplements with football IQ and grit.
If this plays out, then Bailey needs to finish strong. Most people seem to have this concept where he's so talented he needed time, he's starting to get it and...he's going to have to produce.Bob Magaw said:
The concern for me is lack of productivity going into a draft or offseason. Even if every Rams WR had all world potential(like Quick) it has to be difficult for a GM to not draft wideouts.
One of my issues with oh so many NFL teams is a "good looking" rook WR that gets less and less time, is replaced by another promising prospect and yet another...and then the team seems concerned none of them develop. In some ways it seems the NFL is shifting toward WRs having to produce big as rooks to be able to get a team's confidence in them where they have a spot moving forward. I've actually been curious if there aren't some 3rd year WRs barely playing that are quite good, however teams just gave up on them.
In this vein, I think it's very possible Quick and Givens don't get any more time to develop. They either head into next season coming off a strong camp where their play demands playing time, or they are done-sitting or moved to another team.
In the least, I like the hot-hand vibe where a young WR can stay in and get more work. I'm concerned, no matter how this plays out, Fisher will have five WRs that all seem capable of 40 catches for 600 yards and not one star or stud in the group because no one got the time to develop.
I am very confident Marc Mariani is told if he wants a spot in camp, they'll give him one. Fisher (and the fans) llllloves this guy's work ethic and hustle. He's perfect to have in camp with others trying to work as hard, setting the tone etc. I think that's how it'll be next year and I'm leery of the young wideouts that will be cut, what if they gave them more time. Mariani would get a return guy role and probably not a wideout role, he's not likely a threat, it just seems the stage is set for a camp battle with incoming picks and/or a veteran and...well I guess we'll see.
Shutout
Footballguy
Agree and will be doing the same. I said somewhere in this thread, "Its the hands" and those other things you just can't put a measuring tape on but boy do you just see it when you watch him play.socrates said:
Any player with sure-handedness like his should find his way as a contributor on any NFL team that is run competently.
I think in fantays he becomes a derrick Mason/Reggie Wayne/Anquan Boldin type in his best scenario. He will never be drooled over like Julio or Harvin or even Crabtree or Decker in terms of "Ahh and Ooh" but he can definitely be that type of guy that you just plug in there every week and don't think about it because he gets you those steady Eddie WR2 points all the time.
I love him as a dynasty pick because if he does develop as I think he will, you don't have to over reach or think about if he is worth this spot or all that. You just simply have him as a quality depth guy that is a building block on a long term team and contributes.
not really true, something painful to accept like a hard truth
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/freddie-barnes-1.html
look at career leaders
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/rec-player-career.html
Now I lllllove teams drafting guys with great hands and would be fine with "my team's" GM being wrong on guys like these but it's still one of those hard truths to accept. Top catch guys in college don't generally make it like the heisman mystique for so long there.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
bailey is young and stepping up (it took a while, stacy only got one carry in the first month, but has become a fixture, i think bailey will, too). austin flashed in the second half of the season, but has missed the past few games with an ankle injury. pettis has had his snaps most impacted by the emergence of bailey. if they do add a WR like watkins or evans (not a given, they might add a LT like matthews?), pettis would probably be the first to go. clemens is a decent backup, but maybe he has issues locking on to certain targets or patterns? i have become concerned givens is limited and too one dimensional, not a great route runner, and his hands may be suspect (from that perspective, the anti-bailey). quick seems to continue to struggle earning the trust of the coaching staff, and his role also appears to be diminishing (an alarming and disturbing trend after nearly two years that he seems to be going in the wrong direction). if they do add watkins (and WAS lost again today, meaning with SOS, even if they win week 17 against the giants, STL pick will probably be no worse than 1.4, and 1.2 if WAS loses), i think he, bailey and austin are the starters.
another answer to your question is since opening 1-3, the rams emphasized the run, with more two and even three TE sets as a base formation, so less instances of three WR sets, less opportunities at the bottom of the roster. that has probably impacted quick most. givens has continued to start, though, and is having a disappointing season. because of the injury at QB, it is hard to speculate about what might have been.
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pghrob
Hail to the Chief
False Start
Footballguy
Horrible analysis, if the Rams don't need anything, it is slot WRs. "Hey we have Bailey and Austin, but lets draft another returner and slot guy." Funny they call this article GM for a day, because if the GM takes another slot guy he will only be a GM for one more day.
saintfool
Dead sexy
It's actually Russ Lande.
What's interesting here is that the concern expressed about the passing game is the 3rd priority in the article. He mentions OL and Safety ahead of WR, which is what most observers would put ahead of WR.
I think it's all just "yeah we might take Sammy, wanna trade?" smokescreen. I think we can bank on at least one T to them.
The Titans drafted Roos and Stewart in the same draft and had bookends for nine years. That draft Pacman was the first rounder. They even drafted another T late that year.
The Rams doing this (top DB, two tackles) method in the upcoming draft seems like a very good plan.
I don't even see a prob with them grabbing a G that falls to them too-a distinct possibility in any draft- for whatever odd reason they're not beloved by GMs.
Faust
MVP
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Not the stl ram wr I thought would get suspended
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
saintfool
Dead sexy
more reps, sure, and playing time. i read somewhere how given played injured most of the year with a foot injury. maybe he's back to form with some rest? i'd love quick to emerge because he has the ability to do a lot well.
dkp993
Footballguy
Quick is real close to a lost cause. This is year 3 for him so it either clicks for him now or it won't happen with The Rams.
I'm looking for a bounce back year from Givens. Don't think he'll ever be a true #1 but if he can get back to that guy who takes the top off D's he'll provide us with what we need to let Austin work underneath.
I'm looking for a bounce back year from Givens. Don't think he'll ever be a true #1 but if he can get back to that guy who takes the top off D's he'll provide us with what we need to let Austin work underneath.
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Faust
MVP
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Or it only proves that they are willing to wait on Bailey and that they see something special in him.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
It sounds like Bailey could have a big role after he returns to the team game 5. I still think he runs the best routes and has the best hands on the team.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/02/despite-looming-suspension-stedman-bailey-stepping-up/
Despite looming suspension, Stedman Bailey stepping up
Posted by Mike Florio on August 2, 2014, 6:14 PM EDT
The bad news is that Rams receiver Stedman Bailey will miss the first four games of the season, due to a PED suspension. The good news is that, when he returns, Bailey could be ready to make a big impact.
The second-year wideout, a third-round pick and teammate of first-rounder Tavon Austin at West Virginia, continues to draw positive reviews for his performance in training camp.
“Sted made a lot of plays today,” coach Jeff Fisher said after the team’s first practice of the year inside the Edward Jones Dome, via quotes distributed by the team. “He’s there. He knows how to get open, and knows how to make the plays. Yes, we’ll miss him, but he’s going to push right through camp and we’ll get through his ordeal and we’ll get him right back in the lineup.”
The upcoming suspension won’t result in Bailey getting less work during the preseason.
“He’s going to get plenty of work and so are the other guys,” Fisher said. “We’ve got four preseason games and there’s plenty of snaps, plenty of practice snaps to have him ready.”
Quarterback Sam Bradford agrees with Fisher’s optimism.
“Stedman’s been great all camp, all spring,” Bradford said. “I think he’s going to be a big part of what we do when he gets back. Obviously, it’s a bummer that he’s not going to be with us the first four [games], but when he comes back, the timing and everything that we’re doing right now is to make sure that we’re ready when he does get back. He’s been very productive. . . . He’s a very smart receiver. He’s always in the right place. He’s got a great instinct, just about feeling different zones and getting open. I think he’s going to be a big target in the offense this year and I think it showed today. He caught a lot of balls out here today.”
The Rams have spent the last few years loading up on wideouts, but waiting for the payoff. As to Bailey, it could come this year. If it also happens for other young receivers, the Rams could indeed be ready to disrupt the Seahawks-49ers domination of the division.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/02/despite-looming-suspension-stedman-bailey-stepping-up/
Despite looming suspension, Stedman Bailey stepping up
Posted by Mike Florio on August 2, 2014, 6:14 PM EDT
The bad news is that Rams receiver Stedman Bailey will miss the first four games of the season, due to a PED suspension. The good news is that, when he returns, Bailey could be ready to make a big impact.
The second-year wideout, a third-round pick and teammate of first-rounder Tavon Austin at West Virginia, continues to draw positive reviews for his performance in training camp.
“Sted made a lot of plays today,” coach Jeff Fisher said after the team’s first practice of the year inside the Edward Jones Dome, via quotes distributed by the team. “He’s there. He knows how to get open, and knows how to make the plays. Yes, we’ll miss him, but he’s going to push right through camp and we’ll get through his ordeal and we’ll get him right back in the lineup.”
The upcoming suspension won’t result in Bailey getting less work during the preseason.
“He’s going to get plenty of work and so are the other guys,” Fisher said. “We’ve got four preseason games and there’s plenty of snaps, plenty of practice snaps to have him ready.”
Quarterback Sam Bradford agrees with Fisher’s optimism.
“Stedman’s been great all camp, all spring,” Bradford said. “I think he’s going to be a big part of what we do when he gets back. Obviously, it’s a bummer that he’s not going to be with us the first four [games], but when he comes back, the timing and everything that we’re doing right now is to make sure that we’re ready when he does get back. He’s been very productive. . . . He’s a very smart receiver. He’s always in the right place. He’s got a great instinct, just about feeling different zones and getting open. I think he’s going to be a big target in the offense this year and I think it showed today. He caught a lot of balls out here today.”
The Rams have spent the last few years loading up on wideouts, but waiting for the payoff. As to Bailey, it could come this year. If it also happens for other young receivers, the Rams could indeed be ready to disrupt the Seahawks-49ers domination of the division.
The Rams held their annual scrimmage Saturday, coming out in full pads for the first time. While none of the principals competed in any live drills, the first-team offense and defense did match up for some extended team drills. They spent those drills working at "thud" tempo with the defense making contact with the shoulder pads but with no live tackling. The first-team offense continued to show signs of life in the early live drills, with quarterback Sam Bradford and receiver Stedman Bailey hooking up for big gains twice in as many snaps. Bailey had a big day in general, catching about 10 passes during live drills and seven on seven. Bradford later connected with Kenny Brittfor a long touchdown on a perfectly thrown deep ball. But when the drill moved closer to the goal line, the defense stood tall and kept the offense out of the end zone on consecutive handoffs from the 2.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
FWIW, I have his comps as a mix of Antonio Brown and Randall Cobb. Been picking him up where I could for cheap since late last season. Wouldn't shock me at all if he turned into a top-25 FF WR even in that offense.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
I think Bailey is going to be a stud, the problem is, the Rams have Britt, Austin, Quick, Givens, Cook and Kendricks and they love spreading it around. BTW, Britt and Quick have looked great so far.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
bulger2holt
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
i don't think any of us have a clue what that offense looks like with Bradford, young players getting more experience, and a o-line that could be rock solid. we'll see what the rotations look like in preseason, i guess, but i think it is too soon to make predictions.
I don't know if there's any chance all of Britt, Quick, Bailey, Austin, and Cook can get it together and become a real receiving corps, but that's about how you'd draw one up on paper. I'm cautiously optimistic the team can build on last year's early-season start in the passing game. 
