I don’t really think trolls represent anyone but themselves.It is always the few unnamed 'trolls' who are the problem. It is not the 30-40 percent of people who those 'trolls' represent. The mob is completely tone deaf. Carry on.
I truly don’t understand why, if this place is a cesspool and a mob against you personally, you want to be here. It begins to feel like you just want to try to get it shut down.It is always the few unnamed 'trolls' who are the problem. It is not the 30-40 percent of people who those 'trolls' represent. The mob is completely tone deaf. Carry on.
And to add, groots post is exactly what I'm talking about here.I don't know why they wouldn't believe you.
The moderators usually copy and paste the issue when they suspend someone.
You responded to a poster with a link about how people were killed traveling
https://nypost.com/2018/08/01/american-couple-killed-in-terror-attack-were-on-dream-trip-around-the-world/
and your comment was:
I want to be able to post here without 80 to 90 percent of the posts being personal. I see it everytime a new poster comes in who likes or is sympathetic towards Trump. Without fail there will be 6 posters hitting him from every direction about what alias he is and to stop trolling.I truly don’t understand why, if this place is a cesspool and a mob against you personally, you want to be here. It begins to feel like you just want to try to get it shut down.
I see your point but in this case he's absolutely right.Exhibit A.
Again, you’ve been posting the same set of complaints for, I believe, years now. I understand that from your perspective you don’t like the board. From others’ perspective your posts are one of the problems.I want to be able to post here without 80 to 90 percent of the posts being personal. I see it everytime a new poster comes in who likes or is sympathetic towards Trump. Without fail there will be 6 posters hitting him from every direction about what alias he is and to stop trolling.
I would think it would be pretty easy to narrow this down to certain people and their interactions specifically with certain people.And to add, groots post is exactly what I'm talking about here.
I'm sick of people responding to a poster with a link about people being murdered while traveling and then telling them they should travel more.
And I'm just as sick of the whining that comes later with the same people telling the board they didn't do anything or they were misunderstood and hoping the moderator didn't copy and paste what was actually said. If I'd been the moderator that suspended, it would have been way longer than 2 weeks for something that far out of bounds.
I'm over it.
I asked a page or two back, but is it possible that you have to have permission to post in this subforum?And to add, groots post is exactly what I'm talking about here.
I'm sick of people responding to a poster with a link about people being murdered while traveling and then telling them they should travel more.
And I'm just as sick of the whining that comes later with the same people telling the board they didn't do anything or they were misunderstood and hoping the moderator didn't copy and paste what was actually said. If I'd been the moderator that suspended, it would have been way longer than 2 weeks for something that far out of bounds.
I'm over it.
Which is a fair and well stated point. I do enjoy the good discussions which occasionally do happen. There are a lot of well informed intelligent people here that can open eyes on issues. But it is frustrating why that 20 percent of great discussion can't become 40 or 50 or 60 percent. And why don't these intelligent people recognize and acknowledge the poor tactics of personalizing the discussions and stop condoning it because it come from their side.Again, you’ve been posting the same set of complaints for, I believe, years now. I understand that from your perspective you don’t like the board. From others’ perspective your posts are one of the problems.
It doesn’t appear that what you want to happen is going to happen. So I’m trying to understand why you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, that’s all.
Instead of inventing a full time job for a single person just let the individual thread creators decide.I asked a page or two back, but is it possible that you have to have permission to post in this subforum?
If so, ban everyone except for a handful of people like SID, HF, MT, etc so that they can post here. MT or someone like him can let others in as long as they behave so over time we'd have more posters. and the people who contribute nothing to the PSF simply aren't allowed to post.
I think this is a much better statement of what you're feeling. If you said this instead of “cesspool” you’d be involved in a lot less drama. It's pretty hard to argue with this perspective, even if one doesn't agree with it.Which is a fair and well stated point. I do enjoy the good discussions which occasionally do happen. There are a lot of well informed intelligent people here that can open eyes on issues. But it is frustrating why that 20 percent of great discussion can't become 40 or 50 or 60 percent. And why don't these intelligent people recognize and acknowledge the poor tactics of personalizing the discussions and stop condoning it because it come from their side.
Respectfully, if you want to post about the best food, or that your neighbor cut down your tree, or cheese, or Star Wars, or any number of things that are being discussed in the Free For All, then people should go to subject specific boards. Why are we able to discuss those things without hate and condescending attitudes towards each other? That's the crux of the problem.Is stopped posting in this forum some time ago specifically because of the hate/condescending/my opinion is better than yours attitude of many here especially toward anyone that gave even the slightest support for out current POTUS.
I stopped because I allowed my self to get caught up in it and as I said before I left, in the span of a week I have been called names and reciprocated in like, actions that had not occurred to me personally in the years of posting in the FFA/SHP and DSF forums. Simply put there was nothing good coming from me posting here, that's JMHO.
I continue to read even though I don't post and I'm still amazed by the nastiness I read daily here, it's too bad because it can be a place of good information, but in the long run, as I stated before I stopped posting, I agree with Joe, shut it down, if you want to post about politics go to a political themed message board.
That was really good To be honest this is exactly the kind of stuff they are looking for here now. Perfect for the FFANipsey said:Only when we're posting karaoke fantasy football songs.
Hey Joe, that Pat Mahomes song in Random Shots last week you loved...your old friend Nipsey recorded and released a version right here in the forum well before that one. A better version imo. https://clyp.it/fnw0pki4
It is very much a two-way street which many do not wish to acknowledge.If you said this instead of “cesspool” you’d be involved in a lot less drama.
Dang. You quoted right as I was editing.It is very much a two-way street which many do not wish to acknowledge.
I think this is a much better statement of what you're feeling. If you said this instead of “cesspool” you’d be involved in a lot less drama. It's pretty hard to argue with this perspective, even if one doesn't agree with it.
How about the guys who only post in the stock market thread when it is going down? Like they are giddy. I said before I don`t have much money in the market as I am just starting out but really don`t want people celebrating when it goes down as it impacts many of us.And to add, groots post is exactly what I'm talking about here.
I'm sick of people responding to a poster with a link about people being murdered while traveling and then telling them they should travel more.
And I'm just as sick of the whining that comes later with the same people telling the board they didn't do anything or they were misunderstood and hoping the moderator didn't copy and paste what was actually said. If I'd been the moderator that suspended, it would have been way longer than 2 weeks for something that far out of bounds.
I'm over it.
The entire problem is pro Trump people. Got itIt seems to me like there’s a disconnect here: many of us believe that real source of the problems here are the few trolls that deliberately attempt to disrupt discussion and debate. Because most (though not all) of those trolls tend to be pro-Trump, most of the conservatives and pro-Trump types around here who are NOT trolls are quite defensive of those who are, and instead perceive the main problem as the anti-Trump people being unfair and ganging up on the pro-Trump folks.
These are two almost completely opposite perspectives on the same problem. I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here but unless we can resolve this difference, we’re screwed.
Because Trump is not involved in any of those discussions.Respectfully, if you want to post about the best food, or that your neighbor cut down your tree, or cheese, or Star Wars, or any number of things that are being discussed in the Free For All, then people should go to subject specific boards. Why are we able to discuss those things without hate and condescending attitudes towards each other? That's the crux of the problem.
You could try being the one to change first if you're so passionate about it. Lead by example and all that stuff. Just sayin'It is very much a two-way street which many do not wish to acknowledge.
I think Tim try to fairly capture the issue without really taking sides. What would be nice if there was some acknowledgement that maybe there is too much hostility in here and we can do better.The entire problem is pro Trump people. Got it
It's not and the sooner we all realize this the better. You are right to be annoyed at that statement. And I say this as probably one of the most liberal members here.The entire problem is pro Trump people. Got it
That seems to be an easy excuse for people to act less than excellent towards each other. It's the same board, the same keyboard, and the same posters. The only difference is how we choose to act based on the topic.Because Trump is not involved in any of those discussions.
And to add, groots post is exactly what I'm talking about here.
I'm sick of people responding to a poster with a link about people being murdered while traveling and then telling them they should travel more.
And I'm just as sick of the whining that comes later with the same people telling the board they didn't do anything or they were misunderstood and hoping the moderator didn't copy and paste what was actually said. If I'd been the moderator that suspended, it would have been way longer than 2 weeks for something that far out of bounds.
I'm over it.
Really? That was exactly the opposite of what I was trying to write.The entire problem is pro Trump people. Got it
You were not clear at all in your post, that was why I sent you the private message I did.Really? That was exactly the opposite of what I was trying to write.The entire problem is pro Trump people. Got it
Perhaps banning the word troll makes sense? I have been called a troll and a liar by folks in this very thread because I agreed with several media sources left and right that called what the white house released a transcript. Ironically the folks attacking me were the very defination of trollish behavior.It seems to me like there’s a disconnect here: many of us believe that real source of the problems here are the few trolls that deliberately attempt to disrupt discussion and debate. Because most (though not all) of those trolls tend to be pro-Trump, most of the conservatives and pro-Trump types around here who are NOT trolls are quite defensive of those who are, and instead perceive the main problem as the anti-Trump people being unfair and ganging up on the pro-Trump folks.
These are two almost completely opposite perspectives on the same problem. I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here but unless we can resolve this difference, we’re screwed.
I said it before. I don`t like Trump, I did not vote for Trump, but any slight leaning that you might agree with anything he does and it is a full on mob assault on the poster. It has happened to me. It is basically why I stay in the FFA most of the time. I really don`t like the direction on either party right now but you have to take a side here. For or against as there is no middle ground. If I don`t like something Cortez says I am pro-Trump. That is insane. I assume the Cortez thread is a prime example of what JB wants to get rid of.It seems to me like there’s a disconnect here: many of us believe that real source of the problems here are the few trolls that deliberately attempt to disrupt discussion and debate. Because most (though not all) of those trolls tend to be pro-Trump, most of the conservatives and pro-Trump types around here who are NOT trolls are quite defensive of those who are, and instead perceive the main problem as the anti-Trump people being unfair and ganging up on the pro-Trump folks.
These are two almost completely opposite perspectives on the same problem. I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here but unless we can resolve this difference, we’re screwed.
I think this is a spot on point. That word is probably worse than any of the other banned words on this forum.Perhaps banning the word troll makes sense? I have been called a troll and a liar by folks in this very thread because I agreed with several media sources left and right that called what the white house released a transcript. Ironically the folks attacking me were the very defination of trollish behavior.It seems to me like there’s a disconnect here: many of us believe that real source of the problems here are the few trolls that deliberately attempt to disrupt discussion and debate. Because most (though not all) of those trolls tend to be pro-Trump, most of the conservatives and pro-Trump types around here who are NOT trolls are quite defensive of those who are, and instead perceive the main problem as the anti-Trump people being unfair and ganging up on the pro-Trump folks.
These are two almost completely opposite perspectives on the same problem. I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here but unless we can resolve this difference, we’re screwed.
I don't want to see this place shut down any more than you do. I will try my best to ignore folks who refuse to try and understand other political views and can't help but attack those who have a different opinion.
I hear you. But until there is some acknowledgement from the anti-Trump side that they are part of the problem (and being representing 87 percent of the PSF according to MT) and probably the largest part of the problem, I don't see how changing the behavior of a small minority segment is really going to improve things.You could try being the one to change first if you're so passionate about it. Lead by example and all that stuff. Just sayin'
The current moderation team is accused of being unfair. I think volunteer mods would be a good ideaMaurile Tremblay said:There are plenty of posters who would be fair. There are no posters who would be perceived as fair by the people who bear the brunt of their moderation.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world or something." - John StamosI hear you. But until there is some acknowledgement from the anti-Trump side that they are part of the problem (and being representing 87 percent of the PSF according to MT) and probably the largest part of the problem, I don't see how changing the behavior of a small minority segment is really going to improve things.
Yeah, I'd say there's a disconnect.It seems to me like there’s a disconnect here: many of us believe that real source of the problems here are the few trolls that deliberately attempt to disrupt discussion and debate. Because most (though not all) of those trolls tend to be pro-Trump, most of the conservatives and pro-Trump types around here who are NOT trolls are quite defensive of those who are, and instead perceive the main problem as the anti-Trump people being unfair and ganging up on the pro-Trump folks.
These are two almost completely opposite perspectives on the same problem. I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here but unless we can resolve this difference, we’re screwed.
Stop banning everything you don't like!!! Why does that mentality continue to repeat here over and over and over?I think this is a spot on point. That word is probably worse than any of the other banned words on this forum.
Good point. People throw out the word troll as soon as they disagree with you. I don't always agree with your points but I don't think you're a troll at all. There's only 1 or 2 posters I would truly label as trolls but no need to name themPerhaps banning the word troll makes sense? I have been called a troll and a liar by folks in this very thread because I agreed with several media sources left and right that called what the white house released a transcript. Ironically the folks attacking me were the very defination of trollish behavior.
I don't want to see this place shut down any more than you do. I will try my best to ignore folks who refuse to try and understand other political views and can't help but attack those who have a different opinion.