Realistically he is probably the two down backup, at least initially.Is Zamir the handcuff to Jacobs?
The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
Everything I've read is it's more likely that the Raiders just run Josh into the ground and keep White fresh. I've kept a roster spot for Zamir in redraft but trying to figure this out. Not sure he's worth a hold or not at this point.The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
I have no clue if White deserves more carries, but Jacobs doesn’t deserve to lose any. He has looked really good this season. I’m curious how his numbers would be if he wasn’t playing for an inept coaching staff.Pure redshirt treatment or they're finding out he doesn't have what it takes to be their next back? I would love to hear any inside scoops on what's going on with his development behind the scenes. I haven't heard a peep good or bad.
I don't think it's time to hit the panic alarm in dynasty. But there isn't any way where this guy doesn't find the field for a half-dozen carries by end-of-season if they actually like what they have here, right?
Is there any recent example of a rookie RB being completely stashed away in season one, and having a significant role in the years following? I can't think of one. At least not to the degree of how little usage there has been.
I'm guessing the Raiders wish they picked up Jacobs' 5th year option, but with a new coaching staff and based on recent history, they probably thought he wasn't worth it at the time. Now they have a tough decision as Jacobs heads into FA. Assuming he continues to ball out the rest of the year and want to retain him, it will cost them more than it would have had they picked up the 5th year. But at the same time, there are few big FA contracts doled out to RBs any more, and they could probably re-sign Jacobs at a reasonable 2/3 year deal.Everything I've read is it's more likely that the Raiders just run Josh into the ground and keep White fresh. I've kept a roster spot for Zamir in redraft but trying to figure this out. Not sure he's worth a hold or not at this point.The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
Why would the Raiders sign Jacobs to a large contract when they will be starting the rebuilding process in a few months? Jacobs is a very good RB but the Raiders have about a dozen positions to address before RB matters.I'm guessing the Raiders wish they picked up Jacobs' 5th year option, but with a new coaching staff and based on recent history, they probably thought he wasn't worth it at the time. Now they have a tough decision as Jacobs heads into FA. Assuming he continues to ball out the rest of the year and want to retain him, it will cost them more than it would have had they picked up the 5th year. But at the same time, there are few big FA contracts doled out to RBs any more, and they could probably re-sign Jacobs at a reasonable 2/3 year deal.Everything I've read is it's more likely that the Raiders just run Josh into the ground and keep White fresh. I've kept a roster spot for Zamir in redraft but trying to figure this out. Not sure he's worth a hold or not at this point.The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
How that works for White is obviously a wild card/wait and see. If Jacobs stays, then White remains just a handcuff at best. If Jacobs is signed away, another RB - either through a plentiful FA crop or a higher draft pick than White - could very easily be brought in. And if McDaniels is sent packing, then all bets are off.
Seems like this happens every year to day 2 or 3 RBs that don't flash right away - they often get replaced/surpassed the next year.
That’s the point - may not need a large contract for RBs any more and Jacobs is still young.Why would the Raiders sign Jacobs to a large contract when they will be starting the rebuilding process in a few months? Jacobs is a very good RB but the Raiders have about a dozen positions to address before RB matters.I'm guessing the Raiders wish they picked up Jacobs' 5th year option, but with a new coaching staff and based on recent history, they probably thought he wasn't worth it at the time. Now they have a tough decision as Jacobs heads into FA. Assuming he continues to ball out the rest of the year and want to retain him, it will cost them more than it would have had they picked up the 5th year. But at the same time, there are few big FA contracts doled out to RBs any more, and they could probably re-sign Jacobs at a reasonable 2/3 year deal.Everything I've read is it's more likely that the Raiders just run Josh into the ground and keep White fresh. I've kept a roster spot for Zamir in redraft but trying to figure this out. Not sure he's worth a hold or not at this point.The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
How that works for White is obviously a wild card/wait and see. If Jacobs stays, then White remains just a handcuff at best. If Jacobs is signed away, another RB - either through a plentiful FA crop or a higher draft pick than White - could very easily be brought in. And if McDaniels is sent packing, then all bets are off.
Seems like this happens every year to day 2 or 3 RBs that don't flash right away - they often get replaced/surpassed the next year.
If I am running the Raiders, I would rebuild the team from the inside out and keep inserting cheap RBs. Finding decent RBs seems much easier than finding personnel for the O line, D line, and QB. Jacobs would not be in those rebuilding plans. With the way the Raiders operate, Jacobs will be past his prime or even out of the league by the time the Raiders are a RB away from being good.That’s the point - may not need a large contract for RBs any more and Jacobs is still young.Why would the Raiders sign Jacobs to a large contract when they will be starting the rebuilding process in a few months? Jacobs is a very good RB but the Raiders have about a dozen positions to address before RB matters.I'm guessing the Raiders wish they picked up Jacobs' 5th year option, but with a new coaching staff and based on recent history, they probably thought he wasn't worth it at the time. Now they have a tough decision as Jacobs heads into FA. Assuming he continues to ball out the rest of the year and want to retain him, it will cost them more than it would have had they picked up the 5th year. But at the same time, there are few big FA contracts doled out to RBs any more, and they could probably re-sign Jacobs at a reasonable 2/3 year deal.Everything I've read is it's more likely that the Raiders just run Josh into the ground and keep White fresh. I've kept a roster spot for Zamir in redraft but trying to figure this out. Not sure he's worth a hold or not at this point.The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
How that works for White is obviously a wild card/wait and see. If Jacobs stays, then White remains just a handcuff at best. If Jacobs is signed away, another RB - either through a plentiful FA crop or a higher draft pick than White - could very easily be brought in. And if McDaniels is sent packing, then all bets are off.
Seems like this happens every year to day 2 or 3 RBs that don't flash right away - they often get replaced/surpassed the next year.
Fair point. The question is whether White is that guy to take over, and that is certainly a wildcard at best. He may not enough playing time to even make team brass even consider him as the heir apparent.If I am running the Raiders, I would rebuild the team from the inside out and keep inserting cheap RBs. Finding decent RBs seems much easier than finding personnel for the O line, D line, and QB. Jacobs would not be in those rebuilding plans. With the way the Raiders operate, Jacobs will be past his prime or even out of the league by the time the Raiders are a RB away from being good.That’s the point - may not need a large contract for RBs any more and Jacobs is still young.Why would the Raiders sign Jacobs to a large contract when they will be starting the rebuilding process in a few months? Jacobs is a very good RB but the Raiders have about a dozen positions to address before RB matters.I'm guessing the Raiders wish they picked up Jacobs' 5th year option, but with a new coaching staff and based on recent history, they probably thought he wasn't worth it at the time. Now they have a tough decision as Jacobs heads into FA. Assuming he continues to ball out the rest of the year and want to retain him, it will cost them more than it would have had they picked up the 5th year. But at the same time, there are few big FA contracts doled out to RBs any more, and they could probably re-sign Jacobs at a reasonable 2/3 year deal.Everything I've read is it's more likely that the Raiders just run Josh into the ground and keep White fresh. I've kept a roster spot for Zamir in redraft but trying to figure this out. Not sure he's worth a hold or not at this point.The Raiders are 2-4, and if their season does not turn around, we could see the Raiders give White more opportunities to assess their future options.And is there any knowledge about Zamir's role for the next couple of years? Jacobs was not signed beyond this year so the starting RB is open. Jacobs could be resigned but with his big year that he is having, it would require some big $$. Has their been any indications from the team that Zamir could be that lead dog next year?
How that works for White is obviously a wild card/wait and see. If Jacobs stays, then White remains just a handcuff at best. If Jacobs is signed away, another RB - either through a plentiful FA crop or a higher draft pick than White - could very easily be brought in. And if McDaniels is sent packing, then all bets are off.
Seems like this happens every year to day 2 or 3 RBs that don't flash right away - they often get replaced/surpassed the next year.
I'm guessing they are good with their decision and I say that in large part because if they want to retain him it won't likely cost a lot more then the $9.6M they'd have owed him and with an extension that number can be spread out instead of that whole $9.6 hitting your cap in 2023.I'm guessing the Raiders wish they picked up Jacobs' 5th year option, but with a new coaching staff and based on recent history, they probably thought he wasn't worth it at the time.
Agreed - broadly speaking, this is going to be an interesting topic in the offseason. There are a lot of productive FAs out there that will have to take a lot less than what they perceived their value to be. Ultimately with the rookie crop, it's likely going to create a lot more frustrating RBBCs.I'll probably say this a thousand times on these boards between now and FA in March and the draft but we might have a top 3-5 all time RB draft class and a all time FA RB draft class hitting the same off-season. Market's not going to be awesome for RB's.
He on my wire right nowSo he's a drop in redraft, right?
Seems like he should only be owned by the Jacobs owner in redraft.So he's a drop in redraft, right?
What if you have Jacobs and Ekeler and only have space for 1 handcuff - Zamir White or Spiller?Seems like he should only be owned by the Jacobs owner in redraft.So he's a drop in redraft, right?
Zamir. He has a chance to take over the backfield if Jacobs gets hurt. Spiller will probably split time with Sony and also even Josh Kelly eventually.What if you have Jacobs and Ekeler and only have space for 1 handcuff - Zamir White or Spiller?Seems like he should only be owned by the Jacobs owner in redraft.So he's a drop in redraft, right?
Spiller will probably split time with Sony and also even Josh Kelly eventually.
Bump.Is Zamir the handcuff to Jacobs?
Spiller failed his trial last week. I would say it is Kelleys job when he comes back. Anybody know when that is? I have a razor thin rb core after injuries to breece hall and no kalil herbert and badly need Eklers backup before disaster strikes.Spiller will probably split time with Sony and also even Josh Kelly eventually.
Spiller was behind Kelley on the depth chart before Kelley got hurt. I'd think that unless Spiller runs away with the job that it's Kelley's when he comes back.
Spiller will probably split time with Sony and also even Josh Kelly eventually.
Spiller was behind Kelley on the depth chart before Kelley got hurt. I'd think that unless Spiller runs away with the job that it's Kelley's when he comes back.
Spiller failed his trial last week. I would say it is Kelleys job when he comes back. Anybody know when that is? I have a razor thin rb core after injuries to breece hall and no kalil herbert and badly need Eklers backup before disaster strikes.Spiller will probably split time with Sony and also even Josh Kelly eventually.
Spiller was behind Kelley on the depth chart before Kelley got hurt. I'd think that unless Spiller runs away with the job that it's Kelley's when he comes back.
Zamir was a healthy inactive last week. After getting one carry the week before. Maybe special teams related, maybe he's not that good.
I remember reading before the season started that Spiller was drafted specifically to be Ekeler's backup (sorry, no link). He may have been behind earlier due to lack of experience? Plus, wasn't he injured? Just thinking out loud...
Both 4th round picks, back to back. Speculative adds down the stretch, short benches. The correct answer might be neither. Maybe James Cook is better if available, he was taken 2 rounds earlier and averaged about 1 more ypc than Zamir.****. This is the Zamir White thread. How'd we get on Spiller? Back to White.
I could only DREAM that is a real possibility!
I wouldn’t hang my hat in the Zamir White corner.Derailed before it even got started. But if I'm a Jacobs owner I'm trying like heck to pick him up as insurance cause there ain't no way Jacob's can stay healthy two years in a row. Especially with that work load.
As a Jacob owner and Zamir owner no way I'd drop him. Definitely a buy especially if you have Jacobs.I'm buying low on Zamir, he's getting dropped in some leagues and I'm happy to use a roster spot on him.
He has NFL pedigree and size and has played at a high level. Way too early to jump ship IMHO.
Textbook definition of buy low IMHO.
The Athletic's Tashan Reed writes Zamir White could be ready for a larger role in the Raiders backfield.
"Even if a resolution is reached," with Josh Jacobs' contract, Reed writes, "the Raiders may call on White to balance out the workload a bit more in 2023." White has "displayed growth in his knowledge of the system, pass protection ability, overall awareness and ball carrier vision." The Raiders beats have tended to be pretty high on White despite him being inactive for a lot of last season and only receiving 17 carries. It's not implausible he carves out a bigger role this year.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Jun 15, 2023, 1:38 PM ET
"Not implausible he carves out a bigger role". Well, I'm sold! Going to offer three firsts for him.The Athletic's Tashan Reed writes Zamir White could be ready for a larger role in the Raiders backfield.
"Even if a resolution is reached," with Josh Jacobs' contract, Reed writes, "the Raiders may call on White to balance out the workload a bit more in 2023." White has "displayed growth in his knowledge of the system, pass protection ability, overall awareness and ball carrier vision." The Raiders beats have tended to be pretty high on White despite him being inactive for a lot of last season and only receiving 17 carries. It's not implausible he carves out a bigger role this year.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Jun 15, 2023, 1:38 PM ET
The Athletic's Tashan Reed believes the Raiders "may call on Zamir White to balance out the workload a bit more in 2023."
Reed noted, "White has displayed growth in his knowledge of the system, pass protection ability, overall awareness and ball carrier vision." White got more run than usual in minicamp with Josh Jacobs not present. He didn't see the ball much as a rookie, totaling 17 carries for 70 yards, so the extra reps this offseason will be good for his development. White earning a larger cut of the backfield in his second season would be a big hit to Jacobs' fantasy outlook. Even if he remains strictly a backup, White is an interesting late-round flyer based on his upside if anything happens to Jacobs.
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SOURCE: The Athletic
Jun 16, 2023, 1:48 PM ET
Raiders RB Zamir White is listed as the top back on the team’s first unofficial depth chart.
Again, this is an unofficial depth chart. We shouldn’t read too much into it, but we also shouldn’t be surprised to see White listed as the RB1 with Josh Jacobs still holding out and the veteran combo of Ameer Abdullah and Brandon Bolden serving as his only threats for touches. White was a fourth-round pick out of Georgia last year and spent the majority of his rookie campaign riding the pine. He totaled just 17 carries for 70 scoreless yards last season but should see significantly more work this season, with or without Jacobs in the lineup. White is a worthy late-round flier who could turn into a fantasy value if Jacobs misses time. Should Jacobs return, he still has contingent value as an end-of-the-bench stash.
TL: DW synopsis please.Look at this absolute UNIT
Marcus Peters and Zamir White Presser - 8.5.23 | 2023 Training Camp | Raiders | NFL
Cornerback Marcus Peters and running back Zamir White address the media following 2023 Training Camp practice.Visit https://www.Raiders.com for more. #LasVeg...www.youtube.com
Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.TL: DW synopsis please.Look at this absolute UNIT
Marcus Peters and Zamir White Presser - 8.5.23 | 2023 Training Camp | Raiders | NFL
Cornerback Marcus Peters and running back Zamir White address the media following 2023 Training Camp practice.Visit https://www.Raiders.com for more. #LasVeg...www.youtube.com
Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.