I don't think the game script for Texans game is every going to be better than this for running and he still looks to be on the back end of a committee. Barring Miller injury I don't see him having any real value this year. Texans are bad but Dalton was worse tonight. Texans are going to be blown out a lot this year and Freeman doesn't look like much of a receiver.
Foreman looked slow and big - like a goal-line guy. Miller looked a lot faster and was squeezing through small holes for some chunk gains. Miller was also far more involved in the passing game (even though he only caught a few balls he was still running a lot of check down routes).Miller looked better in the 2nd half than Foreman
I agree. Foreman looked way better on his first few carries but Miller looked better in the 2nd half (and probably overall). Either way, it looks like it's going to be RBBC unless someone gets hurt.Miller looked better in the 2nd half than Foreman
Lamaar Miller owner?Foreman did well on his first carry, but afterward sort of pedestrian. Without the physical talent, Miller has much better vision and all around positional savvy. Fat boy showed enough to carve a role in short-yardage and goal line situations, but he won't take-over as the Texans feature back this season.
D'Onta Foreman owner?Miller is atrocious and only a matter of time until he is the 3rd down back.
I own Miller and Foreman as a handcuff. Not excited about how this situation might play out because neither might be very valuable but it seemed to me that Foreman may already have that short yardage goal line role and will probably be given a series or two each half as well.Foreman did well on his first carry, but afterward sort of pedestrian. Without the physical talent, Miller has much better vision and all around positional savvy. Fat boy showed enough to carve a role in short-yardage and goal line situations, but he won't take-over as the Texans feature back this season.
Miller had 17 and 18 carries week 1 and 2. Maybe he's on a cap. With a rookie QB, you've gotta think O'Brien will run the ball a lot. Last night they ran 30 times. Plenty to go around.I own Miller and Foreman as a handcuff. Not excited about how this situation might play out because neither might be very valuable but it seemed to me that Foreman may already have that short yardage goal line role and will probably be given a series or two each half as well.
The Dolphins certainly had a snap count type limit for Miller to much frustration of fatasy owners and Dolphins fans when he was playing well. The Texans didn't really do that with him last season, but after evaluating his performance, they decided in the offseason to limit his touches somewhat from the season before. That less opportunities should maximize the quality of the plays he does get, but the intent to keep Miller fresher by using another RB more.Miller had 17 and 18 carries week 1 and 2. Maybe he's on a cap.
The funny thing about this is that it seems pretty obvious that the o-line is a big part of the problem since both baacks were <4.0 ypc and they were routinely getting met at the LOS if not in the backfield.The Dolphins certainly had a snap count type limit for Miller to much frustration of fatasy owners and Dolphins fans when he was playing well. The Texans didn't really do that with him last season, but after evaluating his performance, they decided in the offseason to limit his touches somewhat from the season before. That less opportunities should maximize the quality of the plays he does get, but the intent to keep Miller fresher by using another RB more.
The Texans do run the ball a lot though, and why there is room for both RB to have decent opportunity.
The Texans have averaged 493 rushing attempts per season over the last 3 years. Averaging 30 rushing attempts per game. A defense that generally supports them running the ball later into games.
With them starting a rookie QB? I would expect them to run the ball more because of that. Anticipating that this is what would happen at some point this season, didn't take long.
So Miller has a cap of 288 carries for a full season based on the first 2 weeks. Well he probably doesn't get 17 carries every game, only that's about the most he'll get. Sort of limits his upside. Then again, when the Texans get behind and have to pass Miller still gets on the field but splits with Ervin. The fantasy hate for Miller confounds the rational mind. He's a high-floor, low-ceiling RB2, even a little better in PPR.The Dolphins certainly had a snap count type limit for Miller to much frustration of fatasy owners and Dolphins fans when he was playing well. The Texans didn't really do that with him last season, but after evaluating his performance, they decided in the offseason to limit his touches somewhat from the season before. That less opportunities should maximize the quality of the plays he does get, but the intent to keep Miller fresher by using another RB more.
The Texans do run the ball a lot though, and why there is room for both RB to have decent opportunity.
The Texans have averaged 493 rushing attempts per season over the last 3 years. Averaging 30 rushing attempts per game. A defense that generally supports them running the ball later into games.
With them starting a rookie QB? I would expect them to run the ball more because of that. Anticipating that this is what would happen at some point this season, didn't take long.
you might be right, but that's not happening this year anywaysMiller is atrocious and only a matter of time until he is the 3rd down back.
When you say stuff like “Miller is beyond trash” and “Miller is atrocious” it’s pretty much impossible to take you seriously.Miller is atrocious and only a matter of time until he is the 3rd down back.
As a Texans fan who has watched every snap Miller has taken with the Texans. Miller is terrible and does not look anything like he did with Miami. Goes down to arm tackles. It's beyond pathetic.When you say stuff like “Miller is beyond trash” and “Miller is atrocious” it’s pretty much impossible to take you seriously.
Lamar isn’t an elite RB1 as he was being billed last year but do you think the fantastic seasons he had in Miami happened by accident? He’s a more than solid player. Watch what’s actually happening on the field instead of reacting emotionally. First, defenses are jamming the box and daring Watson to throw with incredibly thin coverages that you almost never see in the NFL. Second, it doesn’t appear that Watson is being trusted to audible out of bad run plays or knows when to do it, because both of the Texans RBs were getting run right into the teeth of run blitzes repeatedly. Also the o-line is a mess. I’m not saying Lamar is Bo Jackson, but any running back is going to take a major hit in production when playing under these circumstances.
If atrocious is the word you use to describe Lamar Miller, what word would you use for Brock Osweiler last season?As a Texans fan who has watched every snap Miller has taken with the Texans. Miller is terrible and does not look anything like he did with Miami. Goes down to arm tackles. It's beyond pathetic.
Lamar Miller is most suited for a zone blocking scheme. Miami used this under Philbin's regime and also under Gase. Miller would've been perfect for Gibb's old Texan scheme that allowed backs like Steve Slaton to have success.If atrocious is the word you use to describe Lamar Miller, what word would you use for Brock Osweiler last season?
I personally think that Miller has found himself in some close to “worst case” offensive situations in Houston and if the other pieces of the offense were even average you’d have a higher opinion of him. I will concede this though: he’s taken some wear and tear over the years and doesn’t seem as explosive as he was earlier in his career. The Houston version of Miller doesn’t seem to bust off big plays as often as the Miami version did although some of that is probably not his fault.
The one thing I really liked about Foreman was his footwork...his feet were far more nimble than I expected...I thought there was some real athleticism there for his size...he is still pretty raw but if his head is on straight and he works hard he could turn into a high-quality RB...what is the scouting report/rumor-mill on him characterwise?Foreman came up slow after one of his inside rushes last week. He looked completely gassed to me to be honest. I'm waiting for the coaches film to go up so I can take a look at it and record it.
An interesting stat: 32 of Foreman's 40 yards last night came after contact. This is where he has a very clear edge over Miller. Miller averaged 1.3 yards after contact last year which was good for 3rd worst.
He doesn't remind me of Kevin Faulk at all. Why do you say that?I am not a big Miller fan as a #1 RB (especially with a decent contract) but I do think he could turn into an excellent third down/all purpose RB...he reminds me of Kevin Faulk...he is not a quit a legit starter but should be a key piece of an offense...he can be effective in all areas of the game and can start in a pinch but he is not the answer as far as being the primary ball-carrier...especially on an offense that wants to run in a little bit of an old school way...I think once expectations change for him and he is viewed a little differently he will have a chance to thrive...
I agree. He is too limited. They have no choice but to use him with Blue hurt and Ervin not a real NFL RB.I just don't think he has value
Or ever, really. He has one 40+ yard play since joining the Texans and that was a 45 yarder that did not go for a TD.electric Ape said:The Houston version of Miller doesn’t seem to bust off big plays as often as the Miami version did although some of that is probably not his fault.
When Faulk came into the NFL he was projected to be a legit starter...he put up big numbers at LSU and the Pats used a second-rounder on him...right from the beginning you could tell he wasn't going to become one...there was just something missing...once he turned into a third down back he became real effective in real football (not so much fantasy) and made a ton of big plays in some real big games...I think Miller is better suited for that role as well...he's an Ok starter (much better than Faulk was) but I think he would thrive in more of a Faulk-type of role...I think he would also have much better fantasy value then Faulk in that role as I think he could put up some nice stats...Alex P Keaton said:He doesn't remind me of Kevin Faulk at all. Why do you say that?
I'm going to hold one more week to see the carry distribution next weekI just don't think he has value in redraft. Splitting time, hasn't shown to be a pass catcher, pathetic offense. Anyone disagree?
Yes I disagree.I just don't think he has value in redraft. Splitting time, hasn't shown to be a pass catcher, pathetic offense. Anyone disagree?
Not really. Both of them only gained 1-2 yards on 90% of their carries. The run that Foreman broke went for longer though, there was no one within a country mile of him once he got through the hole.Didn't get to see the game today but looks like he was much more productive than Miller? Changing of the guard or just situation?
I find it hard to believe a guy who was getting double digit carries and doing well weekly only played ONE SNAP... and it was not related to him walking out on practice. Texans could've used him late in Seattle.Texans coach Bill O'Brien said D'Onta Foreman's demotion was not because he skipped practice Friday.
Foreman skipped practice along with DeAndre Hopkins on Friday after team owner Bob McNair's "inmates" comment came to light. Hopkins went on to have a career day in Seattle, but Foreman was limited to just one snap and took a clear backseat to Alfred Blue in the backup job. O'Brien said the demotion was because Blue had been practicing better, and Foreman also said the lack of playing time had nothing to do with him skipping Friday.
Agreed.O'Brien said it was due to Blue having performed better at practice - not Foreman skipping practice on Friday - but I call BS on that.
True, although I don't think it was just missing one practice. Guys miss practice due to injuries all the time. It was probably a message from McNair, if I had to guess.Agreed.
I guess we will just have to see what the Texans do next week. To me this seems like punishment for skipping practice that they couldn't afford to do with Hopkins.
Call me crazy but what the players do in the games seems more important than what they do in practice, although practice is of course also important.
Absolutely. What a ridiculously run organization.The Frankman said:I find it hard to believe a guy who was getting double digit carries and doing well weekly only played ONE SNAP... and it was not related to him walking out on practice. Texans could've used him late in Seattle.
Foreman's receiving stats are a bit of a mirage. He gained tons of yards on a couple of completely blown coverages that any RB would have picked up.hmm
Blue played 11 offensive snaps 5 rushing attempts 21 yards
Foreman has averaged 18 offensive snaps week 2-7 before only having one in week 8. He has averaged 9.8 rushing attempts during this time frame and averaged 40.6 yards per game.
So what they did with Blue was about half of what they have been doing with Foreman. If this were a result of Blue practicing better, then why didn't he get similar opportunity or be as effective?
I didn't even mention Foremans 3 receptions for 68 yards. Foreman is clearly the more explosive player and most coaches want big plays like this because it helps them win games. Especially when you are only giving the player a handful of opportunities a game.
Foreman is better than Blue though right?Foreman's receiving stats are a bit of a mirage. He gained tons of yards on a couple of completely blown coverages that any RB would have picked up.
His work between the tackles on the other hand has been pretty impressive, but not better than Miller's even though many on these boards seem to think so