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RB D'Onta Foreman, CLE (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Biabreakable
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LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Not saying it would be definitively the right thing to do but all of them have been pretty disappointing anyway no?
Oh man. I can't endorse that. Hope it pays off for you.
rockaction
Footballguy
He was barely with Carolina. I doubt he sees it that way.
Way bigger revenge game for DJ.
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
New information should result in new opinions
Hats off to D’Onta, probably the most success RB post-Achilles, right? Third year in a row (with 3 different franchises) he’s been productive for the stretch run.
Much respect.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
FarFromHome
Footballguy
For sure.
rockaction
Footballguy
He went for 31.20, 4 something, 8.30, and now 16 in half PPR.
That's an average of fifteen points per game. I'll take it. Quite the variance there, but really, that's two starts, a meh, and a dud.
rockaction
Footballguy
Makes you think what might have been but not for that. He was a 4.5 guy out of college at that size. Yeah, his speed score was 95th percentile. That's quite an athlete before the Achilles, and he's still quite the athlete.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
That comes to mind yes.
He does seem to be an example of RB recovering from that injury and being effective.
Could he have been more effective if the injury never happened?
We will never know. It's possible it has taken 10% or something away from his overall upside. We could only speculate on that and no good data to use to try to compare pre injury to post injury with.
Akers is our other recent example which has not gone as well. It took almost an additional year after he was cleared to play before he had some good games again.
I am not sure how long Foreman had after the injury before he started putting up numbers again. Would need to look that up. Maybe it was a similar 2 year time frame.
Anyhow it's good to see that this injury has not ended Foremans career, although it certainly put a dent in it.
I hope the injury continues to be rare and we don't have many more examples of it to evaluate in the future.
There are at least some things we can learn about it from Foremans career so far.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Looking at it and Foreman didn't do much for 2 years following the injury which occurred November 2017.
He did play some in 2020 for the Titans but no more than 7 attempts in any of those games to get a good read on.
I don't see him listed with any team in 2019. So it was 2 years post injury he didn't really do anything. 3rd year not much but some flashes. 4th year he had some 100 yard games, then now 5th and 6th years also doing that.
I have a gut feeling Akers came back too soon. His lack of effectiveness when he did points to that. Then later in the 2nd season after the injury he had some good games again.
Both of these players were very young at the time of their injuries. That seems to help with recovery. Foreman was 21 when he had his injury. I have seen some examples of college RB having this injury who went on to do things in the NFL. I forget who specifically right now.
The doomsday stories about this injury before this were NFL players who had success before the injury but never returned to previous form after it. But many of those players were older by then when it occurred.
He did play some in 2020 for the Titans but no more than 7 attempts in any of those games to get a good read on.
I don't see him listed with any team in 2019. So it was 2 years post injury he didn't really do anything. 3rd year not much but some flashes. 4th year he had some 100 yard games, then now 5th and 6th years also doing that.
I have a gut feeling Akers came back too soon. His lack of effectiveness when he did points to that. Then later in the 2nd season after the injury he had some good games again.
Both of these players were very young at the time of their injuries. That seems to help with recovery. Foreman was 21 when he had his injury. I have seen some examples of college RB having this injury who went on to do things in the NFL. I forget who specifically right now.
The doomsday stories about this injury before this were NFL players who had success before the injury but never returned to previous form after it. But many of those players were older by then when it occurred.
zamboni
Footballguy
I remember when he was on the verge of taking over the Texans RB starting gig from Lamar Miller, who was given a boatload of FA money in the previous offseason. Foreman might have been a solid fantasy asset for several years had the injury not happened then.
Texans waived him early in the pre-season of 2019, Bill O'Brien said Foreman had poor work habits and showed up out of shape and a bunch of other stuff at the time. Given BOB imploded two years later after that who knows for sure. He landed with Indy in the preseason shortly after getting cut but got injured again in a preseason game IIRC and sat out the rest of the year. After that he bounced around on multiple teams on and off practice squads.
rockaction
Footballguy
I remember that. You wonder how many guys' careers have been waylaid by idiot coaches in the NFL who claim to be impartial and just in their dealings but aren't. Especially a guy like BOB. What a tool that guy is.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Can you imagine this cat in Buffalo next year?
Perfect fit as the bruiser & he'll be pretty cheap.
Perfect fit as the bruiser & he'll be pretty cheap.
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, Foreman is who they should've signed instead of Harris (& dirt cheap).
He's a better all-around RB than both Harris & Cook.
He's a better all-around RB than both Harris & Cook.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Cook - 5.2 YPC
Foreman - 4.3 YPC
Biabreakable
Footballguy
If Foreman continues doing well maybe he won't be that cheap relative to other RB. Although yes all RB are cheap compared to other positions.
I would think Foreman should have multiple teams interested. Not sure how he feels about the Bears, but it's certainly possible they work something out with him long term as well.
Still lots of season left to see how this plays out.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
To Football Jones point, as much as I like Foreman he hasn't shown much as a receiving threat, which I think is part of being an all around RB, at least by my definition of that.
To your point the ypc doesn't mean much in small sample sizes, but generally I would prefer Cook if I had to choose. They are pretty polar opposites as far as their skill sets who would compliment each other very well in a tandem.
Football Jones
Footballguy
YPC is a notoriously questionable metric when used to compare players even in the best of circumstances, especially in different situations & more importantly, on different teams.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
I thought Foreman was going to get a much better contract this past offseason. I bet he still comes pretty cheap given his age & lack of sustained production.
That said, Foreman is a great story & I hope he gets a nice deal.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Good point. I see that as being a potent "thunder and lightning" combo like the old Dayne/Barber tandem with the Giants. AND it would take pressure off Allen, who pushes too hard and turns the ball over. AND it would eat up more clock, which helps the defense. AND, as others have said, RBs are pretty cheap compared to other skill positions.
If I'm Foreman, I'd happily consider a playoff contender like Buffalo, where he'd have a chance to make a difference.
