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Yep, he isn’t built to be a real Rb. Too many people on this board liked Jones and that was the sign. He was on my do not draft listSucks. Always did.
Yep, he isn’t built to be a real Rb. Too many people on this board liked Jones and that was the sign. He was on my do not draft listSucks. Always did.
Jones had 14 touches to Williams 7 and both of William's receptions were not designed plays but Rodgers flipping the ball to him in desperation. Williams appearing to be on the field a lot had more to do with the Packers just not running very many plays due to an inept offense in the first quarter and the Bears stellar defense. This looked more like the case of a backup RB spelling the starting RB not a RBBC. Now I'm not saying this won't be some form of RBBC - most backfields are nowadays - but it's typical over-reaction and posters trying to be funny (and failing) and throwing out snarky one-liner "I told you so-s". Those posters are insufferable.I agree, its not realistic for him to never leave the field. I just saw Jamaals number called too many times and hes still not good
I agree, more time is needed. I agree Gordon is unlikely and it's pure wishful thinking on my part; he would significantly upgrade this offense, but it wont happenJones had 14 touches to Williams 7 and both of William's receptions were not designed plays but Rodgers flipping the ball to him in desperation. Williams appearing to be on the field a lot had more to do with the Packers just not running very many plays due to an inept offense in the first quarter and the Bears stellar defense. This looked more like the case of a backup RB spelling the starting RB not a RBBC. Now I'm not saying this won't be some form of RBBC - most backfields are nowadays - but it's typical over-reaction and posters trying to be funny (and failing) and throwing out snarky one-liner "I told you so-s". Those posters are insufferable.
Williams looked terrible and Jones did not look great either, although he did get in rhythm in the second half. This offense will need to get in synch a little before we will have a completer picture but those thinking that Melvin Gordon will be on the next plane to GB are delusional. For better or worse this is the Packers' backfield give or take some depth additions.
I would add that ARob is great, on the borderline of elite. Other than that, agree completely. Last nights game is a full ignore for me.Not going to overreact to anything I saw last night. Except Trubisky, he is definitely trash
He's going to help win a lot of PPR leagues this year. Horrible QB or not, a guy getting 9 targets per game (13 more last night) to finish last year shouldn't have been going in the 7th round.I would add that ARob is great, on the borderline of elite. Other than that, agree completely. Last nights game is a full ignore for me.
Yeah...Robinson seemed to be all they had for anything beyond 8 yards from the LOS.I would add that ARob is great, on the borderline of elite. Other than that, agree completely. Last nights game is a full ignore for me.
And the thing about bad QBs is that they tend to lock onto one receiver, which is what we saw last night. Robinson is in for a ton of targets this year.Yeah...Robinson seemed to be all they had for anything beyond 8 yards from the LOS.
Excellent write up. My concern going forward is Rogers and adams connecting but that is for a different thread.Jones had 14 touches to Williams 7 and both of William's receptions were not designed plays but Rodgers flipping the ball to him in desperation. Williams appearing to be on the field a lot had more to do with the Packers just not running very many plays due to an inept offense in the first quarter and the Bears stellar defense. This looked more like the case of a backup RB spelling the starting RB not a RBBC. Now I'm not saying this won't be some form of RBBC - most backfields are nowadays - but it's typical over-reaction and posters trying to be funny (and failing) and throwing out snarky one-liner "I told you so-s". Those posters are insufferable.
Williams looked terrible and Jones did not look great either, although he did get in rhythm in the second half. This offense will need to get in synch a little before we will have a completer picture but those thinking that Melvin Gordon will be on the next plane to GB are delusional. For better or worse this is the Packers' backfield give or take some depth additions.
Rodgers will find Adams when he actually has time to set his feet and throwExcellent write up. My concern going forward is Rogers and adams connecting but that is for a different thread.
Rodgers completed 60% (18 of 30) for 203 yards, which is less than 6.8 yards/attempt and that's if you don't subtract the 37 yards lost on five sacks (4.7 Y/A). Those are Joey Harringtonesque numbers.Every smart offensive coach out there will pass the ball far more than they run it vs the Bears. If the Bears D has a weakness, it's through the air.
They areMore worried about the packers oline than the talent/scheme of anyone else on the team. They better hope the bears d are way better than anyone else. No time to throw, no room to run.
Am I not aware of a third option in calling offensive plays? There's Run/Pass and something else? They've gotta call something, and its pick your poison with the Bears D. They are weaker vs the pass than the run.Rodgers completed 60% (18 of 30) for 203 yards, which is less than 6.8 yards/attempt and that's if you don't subtract the 37 yards lost on five sacks (4.7 Y/A). Those are Joey Harringtonesque numbers.
If that's a weakness, sign me up.
The disparity between yards/rush and yards/attempt is typically around half (obviously with a large range).Am I not aware of a third option in calling offensive plays? There's Run/Pass and something else? They've gotta call something, and its pick your poison with the Bears D. They are weaker vs the pass than the run.
Packers ran Jones and Williams 18 times for 39 yards. That's 2.16 yards/attempt. Less than half of the 4.7y/a they gained when calling pass plays.
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Aaron Jones had 14 carries in the first-half today. The most he had in a game last season was 17.
Aaron Jones rushed 23 times for 116 yards and a touchdown in the Packers' Week 2 win over the Vikings, adding four receptions for 34 additional yards.
Jones still ceded 12 touches to Jamaal Williams, but it did not matter on a day where the Packers were all the way #established in the running game. Jones' first touch was a pitch that he turned into a 15-yard carry. Aaron Rodgers started out scorching hot but gradually succumbed to Mike Zimmer's elite passing defense. Jones never stopped moving the chains, ensuring a Packers victory after his brutal Week 1 against the Bears. Even with Williams involved, there is every reason to believe Jones is a high-end RB2 who can get to RB1 status. Green Bay's run defense schedule does not lighten up with Vic Fangio's Broncos in Week 3.
23/116/1, 4/34 isn't a real RB!Yep, he isn’t built to be a real Rb. Too many people on this board liked Jones and that was the sign. He was on my do not draft list
Real rbs break tackles and are built to last. Watch more football, I went thru this same nonsense last year with Alex Collins. Jones will be relegated to backup once Gb figures this outtjnc09 said:23/116/1, 4/34 isn't a real RB!
hardcoredx also doesn't draft Kamara/Mccaffery/EkelerReal rbs break tackles and are built to last. Watch more football, I went thru this same nonsense last year with Alex Collins. Jones will be relegated to backup once Gb figures this out
Coach Matt LaFleur said he wants to "even up" the touches between Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams.
Williams just won't go away. Jones gashed the Vikings for a 23-116-1 rushing line with 4-34 as a receiver, but LaFleur still won't commit to him as a lead back. We're starting to wonder about LaFleur as a coach. He did this with Derrick Henry and Dion Lewis last season in Tennessee before realizing way too late in the year that Henry should be a workhorse. Jones is the far greater talent, but his coach apparently wants to hold him back in order to "keep him fresh." Jones will be an RB2 as a massive eight-point home favorite against Denver.
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Jamaal Williams
SOURCE: Ryan Wood on Twitter
Sep 18, 2019, 12:52 PM ET
if only there were warning signs....Coach Matt LaFleur said he wants to "even up" the touches between Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams.
Williams just won't go away. Jones gashed the Vikings for a 23-116-1 rushing line with 4-34 as a receiver, but LaFleur still won't commit to him as a lead back. We're starting to wonder about LaFleur as a coach. He did this with Derrick Henry and Dion Lewis last season in Tennessee before realizing way too late in the year that Henry should be a workhorse. Jones is the far greater talent, but his coach apparently wants to hold him back in order to "keep him fresh." Jones will be an RB2 as a massive eight-point home favorite against Denver.
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Jamaal Williams
SOURCE: Ryan Wood on Twitter
Sep 18, 2019, 12:52 PM ET
the coach said this in February, yet people are surprised how much William's is involved. I will admit, Williams looks better under Lafluer than he ever looked under McCarthy.New Packers coach Matt LaFleur said a "committee approach" is the most effective when it comes to Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones.
In other words, LaFleur doesn't believe either Williams or Jones is a bellcow runner. Both have shown the ability to put up big numbers when given the chance to be No. 1 backs when the other has been injured, particularly Williams down the stretch last season when Jones was on I.R. But Williams is a plodding type, and Jones was called out for his conditioning by Gm Brian Gutekunst on Wednesday. It doesn't sound like LaFleur is willing to commit to one running back.
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Aaron Jones
SOURCE: Michael Cohen on Twitter
Feb 27, 2019, 11:54 AM
So far Jones has 36 carries and Williams has 14 - and each have five receptions. So 41 touches for Jones versus 19 for Williams. Do people not expect a backup RB to get any touches at all?if only there were warning signs....
the coach said this in February, yet people are surprised how much William's is involved. I will admit, Williams looks better under Lafluer than he ever looked under McCarthy.
Jones could still have RB2 appeal but he was being sold as a potential low RB1 a month ago... it was his absolute sell high point.
He went from in April worth "16" on Hinderlys dynasty value chart to "22" in August (equal to a high 2020 1st). He was a "21" in September, and with this RBBC October stands to be a drop further.
Who have the Packers played in weeks 1 and 2 again?wait, Jones hasn't gotten hurt yet? ah, just wait for it, we're only in week 3..as a whole, the Packers are deplorable on offense:
26th in PF, 29th in Yards, 28th in 1st downs, 26th in passing yards ( so much for Rodgers being 'great' this year huh?), 28th in NY/A passing, 19th in rush yards, 27th in YPA rushing, 30th in scoring percentage. it's just a matter of time before the 'real' GB offense shows it's ugly face, it's in a nosedive. yeah they're 2-0 but they're hanging on the edge.eventually, they'll fall off..
Jones looks to be to be the RB version of RG3 -suuuuuuper skinny, oft-injured guy who just can't take the hits. the perfect 'Sell HIGH!' candidate.
Some people are just dying to be right in their dislike for JonesSo far Jones has 36 carries and Williams has 14 - and each have five receptions. So 41 touches for Jones versus 19 for Williams. Do people not expect a backup RB to get any touches at all?
And Williams is averaging 2 yards per carry and 5.6 yards per reception - when has he looked good?
All this talk of RBBC seems way overblown here.
The person accused of disliking Jones actually told me to pick him up a year or two back and said he was easily the most talented of the GB backs. Dr. Dan said that to me, only I didn't care for the situation, so didn't.Some people are just dying to be right in their dislike for Jones
Its ..... odd
I only have Jone in one dynasty league and would admit there's surely a chance that the Packers upgrade next offseason - but sometimes you just have to roll the dice and take the points during the current season. You can't sell everyone.But, but, but the coach said they want to even out touches...so HA(!)...told you to sell Jones. Guess what? When the bullets are flying, the HC is going to give the ball to his best players rather than try to give an even amount of touches to a player that’s been clearly inferior.
Don’t get me wrong, there is a chance that Jones isn’t the long term solution in GB. But this “told ya, the warning signs were there” business after Jones just dropped 150 yards on 27 touches against a good Vikings D is silly talk.
I think this is an indication that LaFluer wants to use Williams more. Also, Williams is in the game during crucial situations.So far Jones has 36 carries and Williams has 14 - and each have five receptions. So 41 touches for Jones versus 19 for Williams. Do people not expect a backup RB to get any touches at all?
And Williams is averaging 2 yards per carry and 5.6 yards per reception - when has he looked good?
All this talk of RBBC seems way overblown here.
I see no harm in this and it's a great strategy. IMO Jones is a good win now option, if he can stay healthy. so far so good. you're right, cant sell everyone and you cant always be looking to build. I am fairly new to dynasty and most of ly teams are either going through a rebuild or just coming out of one, so that's where my mind will go when evaluating players.I only have Jone in one dynasty league and would admit there's surely a chance that the Packers upgrade next offseason - but sometimes you just have to roll the dice and take the points during the current season. You can't sell everyone.
Yes. I remember him touting Jones last yr. But it seems everytime a blurb comes out against Jones he kinda goes into “I told you so “ modeThe person accused of disliking Jones actually told me to pick him up a year or two back and said he was easily the most talented of the GB backs. Dr. Dan said that to me, only I didn't care for the situation, so didn't.
You realize they have only played two games and one of them was the stand alone opening night kickoff, right?I think this is an indication that LaFluer wants to use Williams more. Also, Williams is in the game during crucial situations.
Yes, his stats arent as impressive on paper but wr need to look at the situations Wliams is playing in. He is getting some short yardage opportunities which will deflate his ypc. If you dont watch the games and only look at box scores I can see how one would think there is nothing to see here.
And yes, Williams has looked better than he ever did under McCarthy. He looked dreadful under McCarthy. Under LaFluer he looks serviceable (never said he looks good)
no one looked good vs CHI. William's looked better than he has during the preseason as well. He always seemer to have cement shoes on... looks to have shed those this year.He wont unseat Jones, but he is earning carriesYou realize they have only played two games and one of them was the stand alone opening night kickoff, right?
I guess I wouldnt find the need to if I didnt get grief for taking stances that end up correct. if we could have more constructive conversations rather than smug, sarcastic comments then I wouldnt find the itch to do so.Yes. I remember him touting Jones last yr. But it seems everytime a blurb comes out against Jones he kinda goes into “I told you so “ mode
Is this just an “eye test” kinda thing? Because to me the cement still appears to be there, with his 2.0 ypc.no one looked good vs CHI. William's looked better than he has during the preseason as well. He always seemer to have cement shoes on... looks to have shed those this year.He wont unseat Jones, but he is earning carries
I think you get grief (to the extent that you do) because you're like a flag in the wind. You talk guys up, then once you trade them away, you bash them as if they've always sucked. Sometimes you can trade away guys even knowing they'll still produce if it helps your teams in other ways. You're not the only one that does this - and I'm sure I have as well.I take a stock market approach and try to get as much out of my guys as I can and sell when the market is high, if I can afford to. Its caught me some grief, but then if I'm right it still gets me some grief. perhaps if people understand my approach to dynasty it would result in less grief.... but this is the SP.
Not intention but if that's the perception, it's noted.I think you get grief (to the extent that you do) because you're like a flag in the wind. You talk guys up, then once you trade them away, you bash them as if they've always sucked.
I’ll be honest, and I’m not trying to be smug. I’m not exactly sure what your stance on Jones is.I guess I wouldnt find the need to if I didnt get grief for taking stances that end up correct. if we could have more constructive conversations rather than smug, sarcastic comments then I wouldnt find the itch to do so.
I explain aboveI’ll be honest, and I’m not trying to be smug. I’m not exactly sure what your stance on Jones is.
You loved him, saying he should be the man.
Leading up to the season you were hating him some days and just meh other days.
You admit he looks pretty good so far but when something negative comes out about him “you warned everyone this would happen”
Idk where you are on him anymore. It seems to change often