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What do people see in Ty Montgomery as being a superior RB? He seemed like the only guy available last year who did have a nice YPC, but only had one start with over 9 attempts. He did destroy Chicago in week 13 last year in his only game with over 9 carries (16), but the Packers never used him like a true RB1 and then drafted 3 RBs this year. Don't get the love for the guy.
This was my biggest critique for him heading into this season. I got a lot of flak from several posters for it and backed off because people were tired of hearing about it, and that was fair in their defense.
That is what I meant. They won't scrap the hole experiment altogether. IMO...it is an experiment. They haven't found that consistent stud RB since...Ahman Green. Ty is a great athlete. Figured they'd go that route after fat Lacy and others bombed out. I could see a lot of Ty in motion...dual back set and him working in the slot. Him and Nelson would create mismatches for DBs.
LOL. I mentioned wrestling because there's all types of body styles, all at the same weight. Weight is key for me, not BMI.
The only arguments you've given regarding Jones being successful are his weight and that you like Williams more. How can you not expect people to look at you as if you're just sour grapes because you missed on Jones and hitched your ride to the wrong horse? It's obvious
I've explained numerous times it's a combination of Jones' size (weight) & traits. I like Williams more as a potential long-term feature back. I've never said he's a lock to be a feature back. I liked WIllaims' ADP & the fact he's plays in a good offense, but Jones is an entirely different discussion.
I don't think that's the case. You certainly should be skeptical of a rookie RB behind that rotating line. If you're in the camp that prefers heavier RBs...than Jones isn't a guy you're hitching your wagon to. I look at it from a compete level. Kid appeared to pick up some blitzes well and earn the trust of Rodgers. Ty, despite being a heavier guy, gets dinged up a lot. So, the weight bias is leveled.
I’m skeptical that Montgomery got Wally Pipp’d.
I don't understand the weight thing one bit. If Jones was bigger/heavier at his height, he'd run the risk of being too big. Height plays a factor. BMI has it's limitations, I agree, but in football almost all position players have very low body fat%. The fact that Jones has a high enough BMI and does not visually appear to be someone with excessive fat, I'd say his weight is a moot point
This is where I stand. As long as Ty is healthy, he's the lead back. I think at worst GB will rotate Jones every 3rd series, but even then... they've never done that. Jones may get 5-6 carries a game with Ty getting 10-15. Ty getting the majority of the check down/receptions.
But he is a highly effective receiver out of the backfield.
I was thinking of Donald Driver when I wrote that. Guy was a beast. Still is. Lowest body fat% on the team when he playedTell that to Eddie Lacy.
Yeah his YPC when he was a WR was not much different than when he switched to RB. He would be an average WR2, good WR3. But not sure GB needs that or wants to abandon their experiment either
Before Ty went down, he lost maybe 3 carries a game not including Rodgers' runs. I would see that doubling and them giving that to Jones.
While 220 lbs has long been considered an ideal weight for an NFL RB there are so many instances of a featured RB being lighter or heavier than this that I don't find that to be any hard fast rule. Additionally NFL players weight fluctuates frequently from what they weighed at the time of the combine. Some lose weight if they think it will give them a faster time in the 40 yard dash, then put more weight back on immediately following the combine. Others may gain weight prior to the combine but will play at a lighter weight than that in practice and in the games.
Oh, I definitely agree there can be studs under 220 in today's NFL. It's been proven.
Did I say superior back? All those backs were 4th round and later, they had no other backs on the roster, did you really think they would go into the season with just 1 running back? Bad point by you.
I’m not sure Montgomery vs. Jones is the best way to go about this. I think it’s a coin flip when Montgomery gets back and I think it would be a mistake if GB rushes him back now. Montgomery is clearly talented in his own right but battles sickle cell and has a litany of soft tissue injuries to this point to go along with the ribs. I, unfortunately, don’t own either but would be doing what I could to get both in redraft if I had either.
Jamal Williams weighed 212 lbs at the combine and also at his pro day where he improved in some of the other combine metrics as you see with a lot of players pro day numbers compared to the combine numbers.
Not sure what round a guy is drafted in has any relevance. Terrell Davis was drafted late...Curtis Martin...etc.
It says a ton. It says the Packers felt comfortable and confident going into the year with him. If they weren't they would have grabbed a back much earlier in a draft that was considered "loaded" with high end talent or brought in a free agent to compete.
He's a very physical runner along with being a lot more dynamic than given credit for. I do agree he's played tentative & hasn't looked like the RB I scouted, but that can happen with rookies.
Yes. He faced some good defenses and did, in fact, look pretty good when he touched the ball. Not his fault at all for his YPC IMO
I guess what I'm driving at is that he filled a need last year, I just don't think Ty is a special RB, I personally don't see it. Granted, he's a good athlete. I get that none of Williams, Jones or Mayes may be the answer at RB, but Ty seems like he's replaceable. He certainly isn't a 15-20 carry RB, and maybe GB doesn't need one, but it is interesting how much they gave the rock to Jones in his 2 game small sample size. I agree that maybe Ty is destined to be a 3rd down COP guy, just not the RB1/RB 2 people drafted him as.
You do realize that 3rd/CoP backs are rb1 and rb2's a lot. In this offense he is a rb2 even as a specialist.
Right now I am mostly asking myself if Jones should be a tier two RB or still a tier three RB in the way that I separate them as prospects.
I agree with you that Williams looks more physical or powerful runner at the college level. I consider that one of his better traits from watching him at the college level.
Very disappointing because he's got the ability to be a feature back if he can find his groove. Williams has been tentative & not aggressive enough.
I ran across an article from January that said Aaron Jones was the most productive RB in the 2017 class. I didn't subscribe to the page but the first paragraph looked interesting
I just want to say in regards to your comments about evaluating RB at the college level and trying to guess how that will translate at the NFL is a very challenging thing to do. Even for professional scouts who are paid to do exactly that.
I think you were looking for some kind of quantitive analysis & the vast majority of my evaluations are subjective, but as I mentioned earlier, that's the core of scouting. I'm not exactly sure what you were looking for when wanting me to describe why I was fairly high on Williams at 212 pounds, but I did give a general overview.
