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Official Jarryd Hayne (2 Viewers)

ps i am hoping that hayne goes in to full wallaby mode and destroys the other team for about 5 tds and over 250 yards this weekend i am predicting big things when he has a chance to touch the rock or as they call it down under the dingo take that to the bank bromigos

 
SWC said:
Robotron said:
Hey guys. 1st year FF so just getting into it enough to visit fine sites such as this. I am Australian and played Rugby League for over 15 years. I actually played against Haynes junior club and grew up about 20 min from where he did. First off I'm loving FF. We have FF for rugby league. With the Hayne hype I thought I'd give NFL FF a go. Hooked. I've liked NFL for a long time. Raiders fan. Anyway, I'd like to weigh in on the Hayne debate. The thing about rugby league is, you have to create space. You can't pass forward so all your receivers are behind you. Infront of you is a straight line of defense. So usually the best way to make space for your receiver is to make contact with the line, draw in defenders and pass to your receiver who now has more space infront of him, because you've drawn defenders to you which makes space beside them. We have game plans and "plays" that we run. Which also stretch and test the defensive line. This may not make sense but the aim is to create enough space in the defensive line so you can go through it. You can just bust through it with strength, or go around them with speed or you can beat them with slight of hand. But 90% of the time the space is made after contact. So rugby league players specialise in point of contact. That's why hayne can make the first man miss. It's his late footwork. What you call a cut, we call step, he has been doing this since he was 5. He draws the defender in and makes a late cut. So hayne has been playing a game where space is hard to come by, and when you get it, you have to make the most of it. Rugby League players specialise in split second decisions. Only the best and fastest thinkers make professional RL players. That's why he looks natural reading blocks. In RL, one wrong step, one wrong kick, one wrong decision in split seconds can make the difference between success and failure. If you fail, the play moves on quickly. You've lost your shot. You can't try again. That opportunity was unique. 90% of opportunitys in RL come in broken play. Only the quick thinkers that make the most of their opportunitys make it in RL. And you might've realised I said (kick). Hayne has put many a kick through in broken play on a split second decision. Rugby League players make split second decisions from hundreds of options. We call it vision. Hayne is probably top 5 in RL for vision. He sees the space, sees how the ball can get there and executes. He's a performer. He's played the big games infront of the big crowds, with the expectation and the pressure none of us can imagine. He's cool, collected, believes in himself. He's a winner and hates to lose. That endzone is calling him at night. That'd be eating him up inside he hasn't scored yet. That's the type of bloke he is
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goodday bromigo from down under and thanks for sharing your wisdom with the fine folks of the ffa take that to the bank brochacho
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Cheers bromana!!!15 carries is all he needs. 15 touches = 100+ yds

And a TD. I may be crazy but I'm thinking he may be a WR. Hear me out!!!!

1. He can catch a ball

2. He's used to positioning for a jump when competing for a ball. Playing FB he had to.

3. He excels one on one. If he catches it one on one, I can't see many bringing him down.

4. He's 6.2"

5. More open space.

6. Still have to block but atleast you don't have to protect the QB.

7. He's fast. Perfect contender for the long ball.

8. He's tough too. He can intimidate and dominate if he has to. On a young safety or CB if need be.

9. His touches are really dependant on whether he gets open or not. His talent will determine his future.

10. Hmmm. I have to do 10. Ah his leap. Not sure what it's like but it should be suffice for a WR3

That's just off the top of my head. I'm not too knowledgable about NFL but maybe the playbook for a WR is a lot thicker than a RB? That's the only big hurdle I see for him going that way.

 
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Just to tack on one more

11. At WR it would allow him to run upright more. His natural running style. More fends and spins but nice and low into a contest when needed. He's always been able to get low before contact, with someone infront of him. It's the people he can't see which is the problem. Why try to change the way he runs? Use what got him on the 53 to begin with

 
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Robotron said:
Just to tack on one more

11. At WR it would allow him to run upright more. His natural running style. More fends and spins but nice and low into a contest when needed. He's always been able to get low before contact, with someone infront of him. It's the people he can't see which is the problem. Why try to change the way he runs? Use what got him on the 53 to begin with
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The more I think about this, the more it makes sense.

12. He's deceptivly strong. For his size he's a monster. Of course that's why he's good one on one.

13. The "moves" that WR's make on routes, he'd be perfect at. Stepping, eluding, turn of speed....

Oh his turn of speed. From a canter to sprint in a flash of an eye.

14. I'll sleep on it. Sorry if my posts are a bit long

 
I'm somewhat peeved that the coaching staff seems determined to keep him behind Davis regardless of what the depth chart says. As a football (all kinds) fan I'd like to see one game where he has a running start at reminding us there's a ghost in the machine in our version.

 
SWC said:
ps i am hoping that hayne goes in to full wallaby mode and destroys the other team for about 5 tds and over 250 yards this weekend i am predicting big things when he has a chance to touch the rock or as they call it down under the dingo take that to the bank bromigos
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There''s a great pub here that is the go to place for watching soccer and rugby for ex-pats, if Hayne gets a start at some point I'm going to ditch my usual Sunday routine and go there, I know the 9er game will be on. I just hate the 9ers but I'll get over that.

I also have this sneaking suspicion there are more Haynes out there who would be great runners if any NFL team really wanted to go dig them up. It's probably a gold mine. I think it was Dale Brown who really started the trend of going abroad to find Euro and global players for his basketball teams at LSU, he had vision and look at the NBA today it's truly multinational, it just takes one coach who knows what to look for.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm somewhat peeved that the coaching staff seems determined to keep him behind Davis regardless of what the depth chart says. As a football (all kinds) fan I'd like to see one game where he has a running start at reminding us there's a ghost in the machine in our version.
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It almost feels like tomusula is saying

"We know you can run. I want to see how good you can get at everything else"

Am I wrong in thinking any other 28yr old free agent rookie would've been dropped if they made the mistakes Jarryd has made?

When they say they are going to "develop" him, I think they may be sincere. As far as I can tell Americans put a lot of value in good attitude, good character, perseverance and other good personality attributes. He's got those things in spades. He's a worker. He'll get better

 
Robotron said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm somewhat peeved that the coaching staff seems determined to keep him behind Davis regardless of what the depth chart says. As a football (all kinds) fan I'd like to see one game where he has a running start at reminding us there's a ghost in the machine in our version.
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It almost feels like tomusula is saying

"We know you can run. I want to see how good you can get at everything else"

Am I wrong in thinking any other 28yr old free agent rookie would've been dropped if they made the mistakes Jarryd has made?

When they say they are going to "develop" him, I think they may be sincere. As far as I can tell Americans put a lot of value in good attitude, good character, perseverance and other good personality attributes. He's got those things in spades. He's a worker. He'll get better
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Yes I hear you and it happens all the time (project with incredible physical numbers but needs to learn to block, run routes, take handoffs properly, switch hands, control the ball, follow blocking, etc.), but who is Davis again? I remember him at SC, followed Lattimore, but he's just a rookie himself and I'm not sure he has shown much himself in all that.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
SWC said:
ps i am hoping that hayne goes in to full wallaby mode and destroys the other team for about 5 tds and over 250 yards this weekend i am predicting big things when he has a chance to touch the rock or as they call it down under the dingo take that to the bank bromigos
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There''s a great pub here that is the go to place for watching soccer and rugby for ex-pats, if Hayne gets a start at some point I'm going to ditch my usual Sunday routine and go there, I know the 9er game will be on. I just hate the 9ers but I'll get over that.

I also have this sneaking suspicion there are more Haynes out there who would be great runners if any NFL team really wanted to go dig them up. It's probably a gold mine. I think it was Dale Brown who really started the trend of going abroad to find Euro and global players for his basketball teams at LSU, he had vision and look at the NBA today it's truly multinational, it just takes one coach who knows what to look for.
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Greg inglis, Rodger T Shek, Anthony milford, josh dugan, Daniel toupo WR, Sonny B Williams, George Tafua and many more.

They'd know them all. I reckon they'll be targeting younger kids 18 and lower. More time to mould. College scouts would already probably be here

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Robotron said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm somewhat peeved that the coaching staff seems determined to keep him behind Davis regardless of what the depth chart says. As a football (all kinds) fan I'd like to see one game where he has a running start at reminding us there's a ghost in the machine in our version.
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It almost feels like tomusula is saying"We know you can run. I want to see how good you can get at everything else"

Am I wrong in thinking any other 28yr old free agent rookie would've been dropped if they made the mistakes Jarryd has made?

When they say they are going to "develop" him, I think they may be sincere. As far as I can tell Americans put a lot of value in good attitude, good character, perseverance and other good personality attributes. He's got those things in spades. He's a worker. He'll get better
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Yes I hear you and it happens all the time (project with incredible physical numbers but needs to learn to block, run routes, take handoffs properly, switch hands, control the ball, follow blocking, etc.), but who is Davis again? I remember him at SC, followed Lattimore, but he's just a rookie himself and I'm not sure he has shown much himself in all that.
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I bet you hayne has showed 7 times the improvement Davis has. Davis wouldn't be too diferent from the guy at training camp. I guess that's what they see. Way more upside to hayne

 
At 28, he doesn't really have time to develop.

In another year or two his athleticism will start to decline. At that point he has to rely on experience and skill, of which he has little.

I'm glad they are giving him a shot. It's a nice feel good story. But this isn't a grooming program.

He's got to learn fast because his window is narrow. At some point they won't have the luxury of spending another year developing an over-aged player who will only have one year of good post-development production to give back. They'll give the opportunity to some 21 year old who can possibly give them 5-6 years of good production post-development. You just can't run a franchise like that when everyone else is developing young guys that can give multiple years of payoff on the investment.

I suspect this is Jarryd's make or break year. If he doesn't come far enough, I think he gets cut this offseason.

 
JamesTheScot said:
At 28, he doesn't really have time to develop.

In another year or two his athleticism will start to decline. At that point he has to rely on experience and skill, of which he has little.

I'm glad they are giving him a shot. It's a nice feel good story. But this isn't a grooming program.

He's got to learn fast because his window is narrow. At some point they won't have the luxury of spending another year developing an over-aged player who will only have one year of good post-development production to give back. They'll give the opportunity to some 21 year old who can possibly give them 5-6 years of good production post-development. You just can't run a franchise like that when everyone else is developing young guys that can give multiple years of payoff on the investment.

I suspect this is Jarryd's make or break year. If he doesn't come far enough, I think he gets cut this offseason.
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Yeh, I agree totally. When I was talking about develop. I wasn't talking about years. I even think if he has 2 more of those games he had last week he may get cut. I voiced my concern a page back. When I say upside I mean, he's never played the game. There's a lot of room for improvement. Davis has been playing for a lot longer. His glass isn't full yet, but it's a lot fuller than Haynes. But as you say. The learning curve will be very steep. If he can't aquire the knowledge someone playing most of their life has in a short period, I'm realistic, there is no upside. And he can't be a RB missing blocks that can get your QB killed. I think he may be a WR. Anyways like you say. It's a feel good story. An interesting experiment
 
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rrrrr good day me mateys from down under i am looking for big things this weekend i think that jerryed will put it together and show us that fosters is australiallian for football take that to the bank bromigos

 
So the Sacramento Bee is reporting that Hyde will be out several games. RW states it's Bush then Davis as next in line. It's frustrating that they wontvgive Hayne his chance, or will they?

 
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Why is he out a few games? Is he injured or they want him to watch and learn the game?

What's the word on Davis? I feel that whoever is behind Bush is going to be the lead back in a game or two. Hyde's gonna go on the IR here soon and Bush is an injury waiting to happen once he's the top dog.

Any word on Davis? I've read not too many impressive things about him so far but who knows.

 
Who will pick him up? Lions need RB help. Andullah doing nothing. Riddick not outstanding

Or does he make the waiver and sign back to the 9ees?

 
Hes clueless when it comes to an NFL playbook. He just doesnt get protections, schemes, or terminology. No way he will be an asset to any team other than *maybe* returning kicks, and he proved he cant even do that very well with 3 muffed/fumbles in 13 opportunities (returns AND fair catches).

 
He cleared waivers unclaimed, I think SF will sign him to their PS. IMO he's leagues better than Gaskins but SF sent a pretty clear message that they didn't want/trust him as a legitimate ball carrier.

 
better to touch the rock in practice then to have the rock from wwf touch you with a pile driver when you are asleep take that to the smell what the swc is cooking bank bromigos

 
biju said:
Faust said:
Niners promote Jarryd Hayne to active roster
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Note: This is not for Faust.

:yawn:

None of these rugby guys will pan out. Too slow; run too upright; not the tough guys the rest of the world thinks they are. Rubgy game =/= to the NFL game. Not saying NFL players would do great in that game, just nobody cares.
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100% agree with you, but 99% of the Australian media still believe he is the best thing since sliced bread and should have never been waived in the first place. As a Niners fan for 35+ years and an Australian it really annoys me that Hayne is getting all the coverage when there are 2 other Aussies already actively playing in the league (Jordan Berry and Brad Wing) , plus Jesse Williams at the Seahawks who is trying to come back from 2 serious injuries as well as kidney cancer.

 
NinerDownUnder said:
biju said:
Faust said:
Niners promote Jarryd Hayne to active roster
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Note: This is not for Faust.

:yawn:

None of these rugby guys will pan out. Too slow; run too upright; not the tough guys the rest of the world thinks they are. Rubgy game =/= to the NFL game. Not saying NFL players would do great in that game, just nobody cares.
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100% agree with you, but 99% of the Australian media still believe he is the best thing since sliced bread and should have never been waived in the first place. As a Niners fan for 35+ years and an Australian it really annoys me that Hayne is getting all the coverage when there are 2 other Aussies already actively playing in the league (Jordan Berry and Brad Wing) , plus Jesse Williams at the Seahawks who is trying to come back from 2 serious injuries as well as kidney cancer.
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Especially galling since Wing is a great singer too.

-QG

 
49ers RB/ST Jarryd Hayne announced his retirement from football.
His plan is to train for the Olympics in rugby. "We fully support Jarryd’s decision to pursue another dream - representing the Fiji Rugby Sevens team in this summer’s Olympic games," GM Trent Baalke said in a statement. "We look forward to watching him in Rio and wish him continued success." Previously a pro rugby player, 28-year-old Hayne spent one season with the 49ers, appearing in eight games and rushing 17 times for 52 yards. He also returned eight punts for 76 yards.
 
Ha.  He just came here for a years vacation, to see the sights, and bang as many American girls as possible.

Like every other Australian.  This one just got paid to do it.  

 
Yet more proof that rugby players just can't hack the NFL, and that NFL level football and the quality of athletics is far above that of any professional rugby play or player.

:stirspot:

Seriously, was a fan of the way he ran in preseason last year. Would have been nice to see if/how he could have added value with more touches and real game situations.

 
NFL only trying to stir up interest in other parts of the world.  Only reason he was signed to a team.  Same as the guy the Vikings drafted. 

 
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