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Official Jarryd Hayne (3 Viewers)

cstu said:
PatsWillWin said:
Henry Ford said:
Area51Inhabitant said:
Henry Ford said:
Area51Inhabitant said:
I could see him maybe being a special teams contributor next year. Anything more would be the all time of longshots.
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Have you ever watched him play rugby?
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No. What does that have to do with the fact that he would be learning an entirely new sport from scratch? Did you watch Michael Jordan try to play baseball?
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You think rugby is as dissimilar from football as baseball is from basketball?
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It might as well be. Football is an incredibly technical game and the fact is, this guy has never played it. I live in Australia and hardcore rugby fans here think he's being foolish. No question he's an excellent athlete, but to call him "raw" would be an insult to the word "raw."

I think his upside is some kind of special teams role, anything beyond that is the longest of longshots.
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ORLY?
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Maybe a great special teams player. Maybe.

 
Henry Ford said:
You're all welcome, of course. Everyone in dynasty picked him up immediately, right?
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Don't see him having a big fantasy impact at 27 with Hyde and the rookie Mike Davis there. He can be a great all-around player though for the 49ers.

 
cstu said:
Henry Ford said:
You're all welcome, of course. Everyone in dynasty picked him up immediately, right?
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Don't see him having a big fantasy impact at 27 with Hyde and the rookie Mike Davis there. He can be a great all-around player though for the 49ers.
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I understand Hyde and Davis have a lot of ability. But combined don't they have a total of 350 yards NFL rushing experience? Hayne has as good a shot to make an impact as anyone.
 
Might get flamed for it, but I don't see him as anything but a return man/gadget player.

Cool that he made the team though. Fun story.

 
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EBF said:
Might get flamed for it, but I don't see him as anything but a return man/gadget player.

Cool that he made the team though. Fun story.
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Think that's a fair assessment but he's done well to come this far and good luck to him imo.

 
Agreed EBF

49ers also a mess with RB's.

Net u they wished they saved the Reggie Bush money now.

Hyde

Davis

Bush

Hayne

Guy got some seriously talented kids in front of him in the first 2. Every game he is getting better. All u can ask. Kid just born to do well on a sporting field. I can't stress enough how good this guy was at rugby in Australia.

 
Shadows said:
Agreed EBF

49ers also a mess with RB's.

Net u they wished they saved the Reggie Bush money now.

Hyde

Davis

Bush

Hayne

Guy got some seriously talented kids in front of him in the first 2. Every game he is getting better. All u can ask. Kid just born to do well on a sporting field. I can't stress enough how good this guy was at rugby in Australia.
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I wouldn't call that a "seriously talented" depth chart.

 
shader said:
Shadows said:
Agreed EBF

49ers also a mess with RB's.

Net u they wished they saved the Reggie Bush money now.

Hyde

Davis

Bush

Hayne

Guy got some seriously talented kids in front of him in the first 2. Every game he is getting better. All u can ask. Kid just born to do well on a sporting field. I can't stress enough how good this guy was at rugby in Australia.
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I wouldn't call that a "seriously talented" depth chart.
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Now an injured depth chart with Bush looking at a MRI tomorrow. Mike Davis didn't dress for the opener. They didn't seem to trust Hayne late in the game to run out the clock. If Bush misses time 49ers could be looking at Pierre Thomas or Steven Jackson

 
Looked good in preseason, looked good in limited touches last night. Kudos to the new coach for not burying him after he muffed the punt early.

Not going to be FF relevant this season unless something happens, but this is actually a good situation for him. He's got no pressure and he needs time to season his skills for the new sport. Hyde is going to be a Murray-like bell cow this year.

Phenomenal athlete, wish him nothing but success.

 
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I highly doubt that the 49ers will bring in Steven Jackson or Pierre Thomas. Hayne looked very capable of handling the backup running back duties as well as punt returner (which only cements his depth chart status ahead of Davis). Sell on Davis and buy Hayne. Hyde and Hayne will run teams into the ground!

 
Truman said:
BobbyLayne said:
Looked good in preseason, looked good in limited touches last night. Kudos to the new coach for not burying him after he muffed the punt early.

Not going to be FF relevant this season unless something happens, but this is actually a good situation for him. He's got no pressure and he needs time to season his skills for the new sport. Hyde is going to be a Murray-like bell cow this year.

Phenomenal athlete, wish him nothing but success.
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They didn't seem to trust Hayne late in the game to run out the clock. If Bush misses time 49ers could be looking at Pierre Thomas or Steven Jackson
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Yeah, both of these are a bit true. Wouldn't be surprised to see either guy signed.

Would love to see the Train in a situation where he is the bell cow at some point.

Hayne train!

(Tennessee Ernie Ford and all that)

 
The guy is intriguing. No doubt he can run the ball, but how is he at pass protection? Typically that's the hardest thing for these raw athletes to pick up. Blitz pick-up, the finer points of blocking, etc.

I see that as being the biggest obstacle he has to more carries.

 
Fat Nick said:
The guy is intriguing. No doubt he can run the ball, but how is he at pass protection? Typically that's the hardest thing for these raw athletes to pick up. Blitz pick-up, the finer points of blocking, etc.

I see that as being the biggest obstacle he has to more carries.
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No doubt. Picked up a blitz easily. Went hip high on the DL and didn't cut him, but easily blocked him and understood the assignment. I actually think that even if he picks it up as scheduled, the problem is going to be getting by Hyde. 49ers have a wealth of riches at RB, just like the Jets.

I have Hyde in the subscriber contest, though I griped a bit. But Hyde clearly outplayed Gore last year.

 
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Tough break. Hyde's week 1 -vaulting him to legendary RB status by a lot of people in this forum cant be good for his future playing time.

 
Bruce Ellington was a late addition to the injury report at Questionable, and the blurb I saw said more like like the doubtful side of questionable. And Bush is Out. So Hayne may see more opportunities this week with most of the other RBs injured. He'll probably get punts, and might get involved with kickoffs though they could use DeAndrew White on those.

 
Greg Russell said:
Bruce Ellington was a late addition to the injury report at Questionable, and the blurb I saw said more like like the doubtful side of questionable. And Bush is Out. So Hayne may see more opportunities this week with most of the other RBs injured. He'll probably get punts, and might get involved with kickoffs though they could use DeAndrew White on those.
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Saw Bush wasn't travelling -- was thinking that Hayne might be a sneaky play for people desperate for a flex option, but the PIT D, despite their woes defending the pass, can still play stout against the run.

 
I put Hayne with Michael and Spiller as players who need to be used more. SF could really stand to run a lot more, use K'nick less. Get Hayne in there.

 
Hey guys. 1st year FF so just getting into it enough to visit fine sites such as this. I am Australian and played Rugby League for over 15 years. I actually played against Haynes junior club and grew up about 20 min from where he did. First off I'm loving FF. We have FF for rugby league. With the Hayne hype I thought I'd give NFL FF a go. Hooked. I've liked NFL for a long time. Raiders fan. Anyway, I'd like to weigh in on the Hayne debate. The thing about rugby league is, you have to create space. You can't pass forward so all your receivers are behind you. Infront of you is a straight line of defense. So usually the best way to make space for your receiver is to make contact with the line, draw in defenders and pass to your receiver who now has more space infront of him, because you've drawn defenders to you which makes space beside them. We have game plans and "plays" that we run. Which also stretch and test the defensive line. This may not make sense but the aim is to create enough space in the defensive line so you can go through it. You can just bust through it with strength, or go around them with speed or you can beat them with slight of hand. But 90% of the time the space is made after contact. So rugby league players specialise in point of contact. That's why hayne can make the first man miss. It's his late footwork. What you call a cut, we call step, he has been doing this since he was 5. He draws the defender in and makes a late cut. So hayne has been playing a game where space is hard to come by, and when you get it, you have to make the most of it. Rugby League players specialise in split second decisions. Only the best and fastest thinkers make professional RL players. That's why he looks natural reading blocks. In RL, one wrong step, one wrong kick, one wrong decision in split seconds can make the difference between success and failure. If you fail, the play moves on quickly. You've lost your shot. You can't try again. That opportunity was unique. 90% of opportunitys in RL come in broken play. Only the quick thinkers that make the most of their opportunitys make it in RL. And you might've realised I said (kick). Hayne has put many a kick through in broken play on a split second decision. Rugby League players make split second decisions from hundreds of options. We call it vision. Hayne is probably top 5 in RL for vision. He sees the space, sees how the ball can get there and executes. He's a performer. He's played the big games infront of the big crowds, with the expectation and the pressure none of us can imagine. He's cool, collected, believes in himself. He's a winner and hates to lose. That endzone is calling him at night. That'd be eating him up inside he hasn't scored yet. That's the type of bloke he is

 
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Hey guys. 1st year FF so just getting into it enough to visit fine sites such as this. I am Australian and played Rugby League for over 15 years. I actually played against Haynes junior club and grew up about 20 min from where he did. First off I'm loving FF. We have FF for rugby league. With the Hayne hype I thought I'd give NFL FF a go. Hooked. I've liked NFL for a long time. Raiders fan. Anyway, I'd like to weigh in on the Hayne debate. The thing about rugby league is, you have to create space. You can't pass forward so all your receivers are behind you. Infront of you is a straight line of defense. So usually the best way to make space for your receiver is to make contact with the line, draw in defenders and pass to your receiver who now has more space infront of him, because you've drawn defenders to you which makes space beside them. We have game plans and "plays" that we run. Which also stretch and test the defensive line. This may not make sense but the aim is to create enough space in the defensive line so you can go through it. You can just bust through it with strength, or go around them with speed or you can beat them with slight of hand. But 90% of the time the space is made after contact. So rugby league players specialise in point of contact. That's why hayne can make the first man miss. It's his late footwork. What you call a cut, we call step, he has been doing this since he was 5. He draws the defender in and makes a late cut. So hayne has been playing a game where space is hard to come by, and when you get it, you have to make the most of it. Rugby League players specialise in split second decisions. Only the best and fastest thinkers make professional RL players. That's why he looks natural reading blocks. In RL, one wrong step, one wrong kick, one wrong decision in split seconds can make the difference between success and failure. If you fail, the play moves on quickly. You've lost your shot. You can't try again. That opportunity was unique. 90% of opportunitys in RL come in broken play. Only the quick thinkers that make the most of their opportunitys make it in RL. And you might've realised I said (kick). Hayne has put many a kick through in broken play on a split second decision. Rugby League players make split second decisions from hundreds of options. We call it vision. Hayne is probably top 5 in RL for vision. He sees the space, sees how the ball can get there and executes. He's a performer. He's played the big games infront of the big crowds, with the expectation and the pressure none of us can imagine. He's cool, collected, believes in himself. He's a winner and hates to lose. That endzone is calling him at night. That'd be eating him up inside he hasn't scored yet. That's the type of bloke he is
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Good insight...thanks for sharing.

 
Thanks guys. I wrote on the Carlos Hyde page that if Hyde is out and Hayne gets 15 carries (unlikely but not immpossible) a lot of people may be surprised by his production. I see this as his big shot. If Carlos plays he'll keep searching for that breakout play

 
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Ouch. Hope he bounces back. He should. Some bad decision making out there. First full niners game I've watched this season. Can't be trusted to protect kap. Losing trust in returning. General ball security in question. Hope he stays active

 
Robotron greetings my fellow Strayan.

Nice piece above. One thing though when you talk of reading blocks is that on returns or as a RB? From what i have seen his time at RB he has followed the play correctly and benefitted from well executed blocking.

On his 2nd RZ carry against the Giants it looks like he was too impatient or messed the play call up. Looks like the play is supposed to go to the left and the blocking worked well timing wise but he didnt trust it initially, seeing the hole open up on the right. He looked like he knew he made a mistake as he went to the sidelines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2scGL9UqvY

He is dong well, for 6 months of training, and just needs to work on some of the little things.

One thing he excels at it changing hands with the ball allowing hin to use the his 'big dont argue'. Comes pretty naturally from his play making ways in league but it amazes he how many players don't change hands with the ball in the NFL.

 
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Sarlakticacid said:
Robotron greetings my fellow Strayan.

Nice piece above. One thing though when you talk of reading blocks is that on returns or as a RB? From what i have seen his time at RB he has followed the play correctly and benefitted from well executed blocking.

On his 2nd RZ carry against the Giants it looks like he was too impatient or messed the play call up. Looks like the play is supposed to go to the left and the blocking worked well timing wise but he didnt trust it initially, seeing the hole open up on the right. He looked like he knew he made a mistake as he went to the sidelines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2scGL9UqvY

He is dong well, for 6 months of training, and just needs to work on some of the little things.

One thing he excels at it changing hands with the ball allowing hin to use the his 'big dont argue'. Comes pretty naturally from his play making ways in league but it amazes he how many players don't change hands with the ball in the NFL.
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Gday champion. Love this NFL ay!!!!

Yeh mate. I was talking about reading blocks while returning and at RB. He still has ALOT of work to do blocking on pass plays. I was saying he looks natural reading blocks because he's used to making the most out of broken play. Those split second decisions, left, right, step, spin, fend. I honestly don't beleive he knows where the blocks are going to be sometimes. He's just looking for daylight. And you know what happens when he sees that. Shut the gates

Thanks for the reply mate

 
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Robotron said:
Hey guys. 1st year FF so just getting into it enough to visit fine sites such as this. I am Australian and played Rugby League for over 15 years. I actually played against Haynes junior club and grew up about 20 min from where he did. First off I'm loving FF. We have FF for rugby league. With the Hayne hype I thought I'd give NFL FF a go. Hooked. I've liked NFL for a long time. Raiders fan. Anyway, I'd like to weigh in on the Hayne debate. The thing about rugby league is, you have to create space. You can't pass forward so all your receivers are behind you. Infront of you is a straight line of defense. So usually the best way to make space for your receiver is to make contact with the line, draw in defenders and pass to your receiver who now has more space infront of him, because you've drawn defenders to you which makes space beside them. We have game plans and "plays" that we run. Which also stretch and test the defensive line. This may not make sense but the aim is to create enough space in the defensive line so you can go through it. You can just bust through it with strength, or go around them with speed or you can beat them with slight of hand. But 90% of the time the space is made after contact. So rugby league players specialise in point of contact. That's why hayne can make the first man miss. It's his late footwork. What you call a cut, we call step, he has been doing this since he was 5. He draws the defender in and makes a late cut. So hayne has been playing a game where space is hard to come by, and when you get it, you have to make the most of it. Rugby League players specialise in split second decisions. Only the best and fastest thinkers make professional RL players. That's why he looks natural reading blocks. In RL, one wrong step, one wrong kick, one wrong decision in split seconds can make the difference between success and failure. If you fail, the play moves on quickly. You've lost your shot. You can't try again. That opportunity was unique. 90% of opportunitys in RL come in broken play. Only the quick thinkers that make the most of their opportunitys make it in RL. And you might've realised I said (kick). Hayne has put many a kick through in broken play on a split second decision. Rugby League players make split second decisions from hundreds of options. We call it vision. Hayne is probably top 5 in RL for vision. He sees the space, sees how the ball can get there and executes. He's a performer. He's played the big games infront of the big crowds, with the expectation and the pressure none of us can imagine. He's cool, collected, believes in himself. He's a winner and hates to lose. That endzone is calling him at night. That'd be eating him up inside he hasn't scored yet. That's the type of bloke he is
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goodday bromigo from down under and thanks for sharing your wisdom with the fine folks of the ffa take that to the bank brochacho

 
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