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Joe Mixon's lawyers release video of RB punching female student in '14 (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I see it as a matter of context. A grown man sucker punching his wife is not the same as an 18 year old overreacting (yes, severely) in a fight with a girl who threw the first punch.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
I disagree completely, but the ability to feel completely differently about this is what makes America great.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Me too. He's on my 'Do Draft List'.
Get him a prescription of Brandon Marshall's 'Serenity Now' drug and he will be good to go.
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Boone22
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
jabarony
Footballguy
I stand corrected. Not a women-puncher, just a woman-puncher. All apologies to a classy young man.
Insein
Footballguy
Yes he went from "Joe hit my daughter" to "Joe is the best human being imaginable and my daughter is his best friend" in a matter of hours. Everything is perfectly ok there.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Incorrect actually. The girl's lawyer used a social media post that he made a very long time ago ranting about how Mixon hit his daughter to show that Mixon is a repeat offender in a civil lawsuit against Mixon.
Since this has now been dug up by the girl's lawyer, it has received a lot of attention. The guy went on social media today to say that what he posted ages ago was not the full truth and that they are still friends to this day.
So it sounds like the girl's lawyer was trying to dig up some meat from Joe's past, found some, but turns out it's actually a nothing burger.
Insein
Footballguy
Here's the dad's tweet in 2014.
""I know for a fact he threw my daughter to the ground and hit her. I went to the school and...they hid him in the office. He got no punishment. The police even came. I was escorted off the campus as if I did something wrong. These are simply the facts, he's a woman beater."
Here's his prepared statement from today.
""My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joe's involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so."
Quite the reversal. I'm sure though that he thought up that second statement all on his own.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I was just responding to the "in a matter of hours" statement. As if he said Mixon hit his daughter and hours later recanted. That's not the case.
Often times people take to twitter, facebook, etc to voice frustration. It's a common place to see responses triggered by emotion. It sounds like in 2014 he was quite furious (justifiably IMO) and did not have all of the facts. He felt like he knew "for a fact" that he hit her. However, reading his statement today it sounds like (speculating here) that possibly Mixon wasn't the one who pushed her and hit her. Maybe it was someone else? He says he over reacted, was mistaken about Joe's involvement, and regrets his words. Sounds to me like he took to twitter with a lot of emotion and in the end was incorrect. After collecting his head and getting all of the facts (a novel concept), he was able to come to a rational conclusion.
His second statement doesn't sound terribly attorney-ish. It sounds like he's very well spoken, but nothing over the top from a legal desk. It sounds like something many here would write if they had to put out an "official statement" of something they said years ago about a guy who is about to become a millionaire and those words spoken way back then could lose him a lot of money prompting a libel lawsuit.
I won't rule out the possibility that Mixon or someone associated with him had paid off this family to go away, possibly a long time ago. Therefore, the father changed his story. Anything's possible in the world of professional and college sports.
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Mavis
Footballguy
After what I just said a few pages ago saying this guy would not dare say this unless it was true because he could be sued must of heard that and recanted. If I was Mixon, I would sue this man now if what this man said is not true. That being said, it is fishy he would recant with a statement like that.
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Obviously Mixon offered this family $$$ to recant.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but if he said this in 2014, and 3 years later he makes a statement correcting what he said in 2014- he was misinformed and what he said in '14 was not true, how is that fishy/wierd/suspicious?
If I made a statement in 2014 and it was dug up and put out for the world to see, but I realize today that what I said 3 years ago was wrong, and I made a statement correcting myself, how is that fishy? Again, maybe this guy said what he said out of emotion and he was, in fact wrong. Maybe Oklahoma or Mixon himself paid this family off years ago realizing this would be detrimental to his professional aspirations. Maybe that is why it would be fishy I guess, but it appears that many people are commenting in here as if this morning the father said Mixon hit his daughter 3 years ago and this afternoon recanted.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Are you not paying attention? The dude didn't say anything, it was a 3 year old Facebook post that Amelia Molitor's attorney dug up.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Thank goodness... someone else who shares my confusion with how people are responding to this.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
If this dude's daughter and Mixon have remained good friends since the initial post/accusations 3 years ago... Wouldn't this father have recanted/apologized as soon as he found out the truth? I think the answer is YES. If I said some stuff about someone and soon after realized I had my facts wrong AND on top of that my daughter was still friends with that person, I definitely would tweet/post an apology/clarification to my initial post. This reeks of Mixon paying this family off.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
that's assuming people care what you have to say on social media. I don't post on it because I don't need to let people know every single thing that happens.Rhythmdoctor said:
are you saying when my friend complains about an aggressive driver in front of them on the freeway that morning, but later finds out that person was driving their loved one having a heart attack to the hospital that they should issue an apology? geez the self importance on social media has hit a new high
or better yet, when a fbg forum poster is complaining during a game about how cam Newton is playing slow and making dumb decisions, but it later surfaces that Newton was playing with a serious injury, then the poster should post an appology?
or when a poster makes an incorrect judgment on a player because of false information, they owe him an apology? so jabroni and massraider owe Mixon an apology?
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
LOL. C'mon now. You are being purposely (insert popular buzz word here) obtuse to win an internet argument. Right? Your analogies are apples to the real story's oranges. The real story contains parties who know each other and have real life personal relationships. You mean to tell me that if you talked spit about someone you know personally and that person is also a 'good friend' of your daughter, and you later found out your facts were wrong.... you wouldn't feel a need to take back your words in whatever forum you talked original spit in? Whether that was at a party with other people you know or on your Facebook account? I absolutely would and I think most normal folk would as well. Hell people DO do that (i said doo doo) here on this forum with incorrect predictions.
Catbird
Footballguy
I agree that if I had accused a friend of my daughter's of something awful and it turned out to be incorrect, I should clarify that through the same media I had used to made the charge. At the same time, I think things like that happen all the time and I would guess no more than 1 time in 5 or less does anyone actually come forward to post that they were previously in error. You just see very few of those for how many charges are leveled. In a case like this, where the father was evidently as angry at the police and school administration as Mixon - an anger which may not have cooled at all - I don't think there is much basis to anticipate what this father would most likely have done after he came to think Mixon didn't strike his daughter.
What I do think is a stretch is to make up and presume that Mixon has bribed the father of his friend to come forward with a statement like this. The comforting part there is knowing that if it turns out there was no such bribe, we can count on formal Shark Pool apologies from jabrony and rhythmdoctor for their unfounded allegations.
What I do think is a stretch is to make up and presume that Mixon has bribed the father of his friend to come forward with a statement like this. The comforting part there is knowing that if it turns out there was no such bribe, we can count on formal Shark Pool apologies from jabrony and rhythmdoctor for their unfounded allegations.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I can admit, my examples are a bit ridiculous. I just don't get the social media thing and it gets me all riled up I think. To your point, that these people both knew each other is the important fact. Some kind of an apology, internet or in person, would be warranted yes. I would certainly hope that since he did not recant his posting before yesterday that he would have at least offered Joe and apology in person long prior to yesterday. If his daughter and him are friends it means he had seen him after this incident, I would imagine. Perfect opportunity for an apology. So yes, I would agree, in this case an apology would be warranted, but online... eh I would disagree with this to some degree. If it were me, I'd just have deleted the tweet/post/whatever. No sense in making a second post apologizing; I'd apologize to him directly and leave it be. Stupid for him to leave something like that posted for years when it wasn't true.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Fixed. I don't think rhythmdoctor has made any allegations.
I would agree that a bribe is unlikely, but possible. We will never know most likely. I think this is a classic case of a dad over reacting not having the full story, getting hte full story, and never correcting it either by taking down his posting or offering a correction. You're right, people make allegations all the time and run from them when they are wrong. WheelsUp has run away form the Lacy thread after it was shown that he was, in fact, over weight. I haven't seen Massraider or Jabrony in here since the dad recanted. It's super easy to say whatever you want online when you don't have to own up to it.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Maybe. You've never intended to do something and just not gotten around to it, then forgot about it? This is the kind of thing I would totally do. Who knows how often dad even logs into FB? Maybe he just did it in a rage and 3 months later the truth comes out and he's forgotten his password and just never gets around to it.Rhythmdoctor said:
Bottom line, this wasn't a guy calling a presser to accuse Mixon then 2 hours later recanting. This is a moldy, forgotten 3 year old post that some attorney's PI dug up and they tossed it out there.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Your story sucks, bro. No fantasy, mystery or any action in your version! Just a simple "Dad overreacted when he heard his little girl was hurt"? Please, no father has ever done that in the history of fathers. And takes to social media with that rant?!? Pssssssh....I think Facebook doesn't even allow that stuff to happen.
I'd much rather watch the version where Mixon and his agent show up in the mans house, unbeknownst to him with a briefcase full of cash in the dark. Mixon's agent, with a very cold voice tells the parents to calm down and that no one will get hurt (or will they?!) and to have a seat. He'll go on to add that they're aware of the Facebook post years ago and that one day someone will dig it up and when they do he must type the script that's laying on top of what looks like millions of dollars in unmarked bills. The family nervously nods, not wanting anyone to get thrown on the ground again, before Mixon and his agent depart....
Yeah bro, your version sucks.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I have voicemails from 3 years ago on my phone and every other day I see a Facebook memory that I don't recall typing or even being tagged in. But this is the internet....no place for normal regular people...just supa stars at everything here.
brewer
Footballguy
I think the thing that the pro Mixon crowd is missing is that way back in high school, Joe was accused by this guy of hitting his daughter. Then in college, we have a video of him doing something eerily similar. I really don't care if the father recanted afterward or not. Maybe his daughter covered up after making up with Joe, maybe he was paid off, or heck, maybe it never happened. But, once we actually see with our own eyes that Joe hits women, I think it's reasonable to be worried about a pattern of behavior rather than an isolated incident.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm not missing this at all. It's concerning that an allegation appears after we know he has hit a woman, on video. So there are a few scenarios with this alleged incident:
1. Joe pushed and hit the girl. For some reason or another (girl made up with Joe, payoff, whatever) the dad is recanting. So it happened but there's no one claiming it happened/people are pretending it didn't happen. This is a big problem, and yes a red flag.
2. Joe didn't hit the girl. Someone else did. Dad mistakenly thought Joe did. This would at least indicate that Joe has kept the company of people who are okay hitting girls. This is a concern because if you keep the company of losers you are likely to turn out a loser yourself (see Aaron Hernandez, Michael Vick, Pacman Jones). It happened a long time ago and I'm not about to judge Joe based off the actions of the friends he had 3-4 years ago did 3-4 years ago.
3. Joe didn't hit the girl. No one did. It was a misunderstanding across the board. Dad made a mistake and said things out of emotion. In this case this is not really news at all.
People will see what they want to see with this. Will read into it whatever they want. Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen these days. I think the most reasonable scenario is 2 or 3, and in that case I don't really see it as a huge deal breaker or indicative of habitual behavior.
I think someone earlier made a great point... if the guy accidentally nudges a woman too much as he slides past her in a crowded bar/room it'll be looked at in a negative light. I'm more than willing to completely run the guy out of town if he flat out wails on a woman at any point in his life again, but baseless claims from years ago are what they are: baseless claims from years ago.
Carl Eller's Dead Liver
Footballguy
I think the most likely scenario is that this DID happen and the school covered it up! The father stated they immediately brought this situation forward to school authorities and nothing happened. Why you might ask Dr Dan? Well the answer is obvious. They have a star football player playing for their football team. The same thing happened at my high school....athletes that got caught fighting, drinking, cutting class, etc were never punished, while non-athletes were severed suspensions. We had good teams, mostly basketball, and there is no way they were going to suspend or punish these athletes. It's all in the best interests of these high schools to do nothing. It's easier, it's better for press and it's better for their athletic teams. I think it's naive to think that this story is made up. I mean this father isn't looking for compensation, he's just bringing this incident to the forefront in hopes a bad guy isn't rewarded for his actions. This is story #3 about this jerk.
It's also obvious that a person who has troubles controlling their anger and has used physical methods to express their anger, has likely done so in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Basic psych, which you should have had in medical school.
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brewer
Footballguy
As you say, people will see what they want to see. Scenario 1 is just as likely in my opinion, yet you are leaning toward 2 or 3. We all have biases for whatever reason. Mine is to generally not believe woman beaters.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Geez, people aren't reading anything to get the facts about this before commenting...
He didn't bring it up himself before the draft. This was an old posting from years ago that the girl in the video's attorney brought up to try and show this is a habitual thing for Mixon. The dad came out and said he was mistaken. He didn't bring this up to make sure the guy wasn't rewarded for his actions. He made a posting in anger the day it happened 3-4 years ago and never clarified. Story #3? I must have missed story #2.
Would they be friends today if he hit her? It's plausible that the school covered it up- we see it all the time in college. High School? Eh... what does the high school stand to gain? College sure, they have a scholarship and time invested in an athlete that will contribute to a program that makes them millions of dollars.
Absolutely
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brewer
Footballguy
You do know that women stay in abusive relationships and go back to guys who have hit them. Yes, it's entirely possible that he hit her and yet they are still friends.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes (I knew someone would bring that up). Are they married? In love? Is she into him? We don't know this. I don't know of any examples of a woman who stays in a friendship with a woman beater. Marriage, sure, because there is a different emotional issue there. We can't make a conclusion either way in this circumstance IMO. One could argue the point you are making and I can equally argue that it's an apples to oranges comparison because you're talking about relationships, I'm talking about friendships. Very different.
As I said above, if this happens again I'm right there with everyone else saying damn him to hell. But until then I'm willing to cut the guy one chance. What some angry dad posted in emotion years ago doesn't really hold much weight, especially since he recanted. If some woman says Joe hit her on Draft night because she didn't bring him a sandwich fast enough then we can talk about how much of a POS he is.
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Mavis
Footballguy
Since people agree next time he does this he should be ray riced, it makes it pretty easy to discuss his talent knowing no one supports his treatment of females. Teams will draft accordingly and while some will disagree if he could be a kid who was stupid and learned a hard lesson or if he is just a complete tool, none of that will matter where I take him in my dynasty draft.
In fantasy football the risk isnt anything but a hit at value of the pick you take him at. His talent is worth the risk for me to take him very high no matter where he is drafted. As a person, I wont care for his autograph, I will never really root for him unless he is on my team providing me points. If he is in the league I rather own him than take some moral stand and lose him to another team. If he can keep his hands to himself he should be a worthy pick no matter where you take him.
In fantasy football the risk isnt anything but a hit at value of the pick you take him at. His talent is worth the risk for me to take him very high no matter where he is drafted. As a person, I wont care for his autograph, I will never really root for him unless he is on my team providing me points. If he is in the league I rather own him than take some moral stand and lose him to another team. If he can keep his hands to himself he should be a worthy pick no matter where you take him.
brewer
Footballguy
Ok, you say on one hand that you don't know their relationship then in the next sentence say it's only a friendship.
Look, you have convinced yourself that you like Mixon for whatever reason. That's fine. I'll bow out now because I almost feel like I'm being trolled at this point.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
The dad said they are friends to this day... that's the only facts we have on their relationship
I like his athletic potential. He made one mistake that others have gotten a pass on in the past because there is no video. People cheer for teams that employ these players but because there's a video this is the worst thing an athlete has ever done. I'm willing to give people a second chance. That's all.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
We already saw with out own eyes Joe hit a woman. A 3 year old story that the victim's father said didn't happen has zero bearing on me. I know it's weird, but I prefer things like evidence, confessions, little things like that that actually prove something. An accusation alone is absolutely worthless. especially when it's recanted when the speaker is reminded it exists. You might ask Brian Banks about that. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, especially in this ridiculously social world. What does that prove?
Pwingles
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
brewer
Footballguy
The guy was accused of hitting a woman years ago, he then goes on to, uh, hit a woman. I know it's weird, but I then tend to believe the initial allegation.
Pwingles
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
So if he hits a man, then he should be Ray Riced?
In that case there are a LOT of athletes in the NFL currently that by your definition should be Ray Riced.
If he hits another woman, yes he should be Ray Riced.
I don't understand how you don't understand that logic. Hitting a woman, when you are a man, is completely intolerable and should he hit a woman again then his last strike has been used up (can't use self defense, ignorant kid defense any longer) and he should be Ray Riced. If he gets into a fight with another man, well, that's not as egregious and perhaps he has anger management issues he needs to work through
Pwingles
Footballguy
*** You also have to understand that self defense is a thing. She absolutely initiated the physical aspect of this conflict. A lot of people gloss over that fact. I do not, in any way condone his actions. He for sure escalated the situation, and antagonized that group and her specifically as the argument kept going. They were both stupid, and played a role in the incident. He obviously shouldn't have followed them into that bar. He obviously shouldn't have struck her. But not because she is smaller, or a woman. Because he never should've gotten into such a stupid dispute in the first place, and never should've made the mistake of adding fuel to the fire by following her when they were clearly trying to be away from him. It shouldve ended there on the sidewalk, IMO.
I think its odd that you see a distinction in violence depending on your gender. A woman hitting a woman, is still violence. It's not "more acceptable" violence. Violence toward anyone is unacceptable. I am very much for gender equality, but stuff like this is what makes it more of a joke to some people. For every time you agree that women should be paid equally, or treated equally in society, or not treated solely as vessels for your offspring, when you claim that someone hitting a woman is more egregious than any of form of violence, its very condescending Imo
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree 100% with the first paragraph. I hold the opinion this was self defense- she went to a place where she couldn't finish... she made a verbal confrontation physical
With regard to the second paragraph: IMO a man hitting a woman is more egregious than a man hitting a man. I don't think it's degrading/condescending to state that a man, typically, is more muscular, stronger, etc than a woman. It's just an anatomical fact. Yes, I'm sure there are some out there who are stronger than many men, which is why I did not say all. It's the exact reason the girl in the video is an idiot for starting a physical confrontation with a man who was clearly stronger than she was. Women aren't as strong as men. They can't hit a ball, jump as high, run as fast, hit as hard as men do. It's why we have a separate women's league and men's league for sporting events. There's a reason for it, and it's not to be condescending.
Pwingles
Footballguy
This is not a sporting event. Nor is the issue about anatomical differences. This was a societal issue, where in theory, my argument would be we are all equal as human beings.
But what you're suggesting (or what im inferring from your comment a few posts ago) is that if Joe Mixon got into a bar fight with me, it would be more OK, or at the very least, less unacceptable. I disagree for the most part. I am unwilling to label this guy a total scum bag who is crazy and violent because the evidence doesn't suggest that, in my opinion.
Until we see a pattern to suggest otherwise, I am chalking this up as being a very stupid mistake. From 2 kids, who were obviously immature about the situation and didnt handle it the way they prolly would now.
In the future if we come to see he is some serial batterer, and is constantly violent to people who are obviously weaker than him and cant defend themselves (or anyone really), throw him to the wolves.
