How To Get To Heaven When You Die (1 Viewer)

[matuski]

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust. .

I do not believe gods (not just yours) exist because I have never been given reason to. Raised Lutheran, uber religious mother's side of the family.

Kinda puts a few (many) holes in this theory.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Not a good friday thread. Feels more like a Tuesday thread that could linger until Thursday nightish when it is pre-empted by a good camping story.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

1) Do whatever you want throughout your life

2) "Accept god into your heart" while on your death bed

3) Profit

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

 

[Fennis]

Mitch Albom has really gone down hill.

 

[Jayrod]

Jesus is some deep stuff. Takes a lifetime to search and a death to understand.

I try pretty hard, but fail a lot. God saw that we all do that and sent Jesus.

Wait, so God sent Jesus because we have such a hard time understanding Jesus? Maybe if he wouldn't have sent him at all, we'd be less confused?

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust.

I don't think I fit either of your categories here. I reject God, your god, all gods, because I don't believe they actually exist in the first place. I'm not projecting and I'm not misinformed, having been raised Catholic and thereby getting the full course of indoctrination from an early age. I just grew up and realized it was all bull-####. Kind of like how I grew up and stopped believing in Santa Claus.

To the first point, those are two separate thoughts, not a sequence of logic.

And the second, it sounds like you fall squarely into the second category. I don't consider someone raised Catholic to be informed about anything when it comes to God. I'd agree that Catholicism is complete and total bull####, but its not God. You rejecting that isn't really rejecting God, because that's not Him.

 

[Jayrod]

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust. .

I do not believe gods (not just yours) exist because I have never been given reason to. Raised Lutheran, uber religious mother's side of the family.

Kinda puts a few (many) holes in this theory.

When people point to their "religious" upbringing as evidence of them knowing about God, you are likely in the second category.

Rejecting belief in God isn't rejecting God. To reject God, I feel you have to actually believe he exists.

 

[Jayrod]

1) Do whatever you want throughout your life

2) "Accept god into your heart" while on your death bed

3) Profit

Pretty big gamble that there's actually going to be a "deathbed".

 

[Jayrod]

Got bad news for you guys.

When you die there is no heaven or hell.

Why is that bad news?

No heaven would be a bummer, but I don't really even know what I'm missing. No hell would be great. If we all just go to sleep, I've got no beef with that.

But I'm more concerned with the truth than what I wish were the case.

 

[Rich Conway]

Got bad news for you guys.

When you die there is no heaven or hell.

Depending on how virtuous one was during life, this might be considered good news.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

If I am understanding this correctly, and I think that I am, some omni-powerful being, whose press clippings include his perfection, created us with the option that we self-subjugate, that we submit to his megalomaniacal rule, or we will be tormented eternally. The choice he offers is clear, worship or suffer. His manifesto would deny that there are other options, only those two. There are, of course, others, fight and test his omnipotence, reason that the entire story is self contradictory bull####, or wonder if God's direction to us, and his options for us, have been miscommunicated, subverted, misunderstood. The problem with the latter is that such a possibility sort of goes against his press clippings that he is omniscient, omnipotent, and terribly concerned that we have the opportunity to make a wise and informed choice.

God bless you, though, for bringing this important matter to my attention.

 

[Jayrod]

If I am understanding this correctly, and I think that I am, some omni-powerful being, whose press clippings include his perfection, created us with the option that we self-subjugate, that we submit to his megalomaniacal rule, or we will be tormented eternally. The choice he offers is clear, worship or suffer. His manifesto would deny that there are other options, only those two. there are, of course, others, fight and test his omnipotence, reason that the entire story is self contradictory bull####, or wonder if God's direction to us, and his options have been miscommunicated, subverted, misunderstood. The problem with the latter is that such a possibility sort of goes against his press clippings that he is omniscient, omnipotent, and terribly concerned that we have the opportunity to make a wise and informed choice.

God bless you, though, for bringing this important matter to my attention.

Rest easy, you aren't.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

If I am understanding this correctly, and I think that I am, some omni-powerful being, whose press clippings include his perfection, created us with the option that we self-subjugate, that we submit to his megalomaniacal rule, or we will be tormented eternally. The choice he offers is clear, worship or suffer. His manifesto would deny that there are other options, only those two. there are, of course, others, fight and test his omnipotence, reason that the entire story is self contradictory bull####, or wonder if God's direction to us, and his options have been miscommunicated, subverted, misunderstood. The problem with the latter is that such a possibility sort of goes against his press clippings that he is omniscient, omnipotent, and terribly concerned that we have the opportunity to make a wise and informed choice.

God bless you, though, for bringing this important matter to my attention.

Rest easy, you aren't.

It would not be the first time. Perhaps God's Grace will visit me yet. Maybe Epiphany is stalking me now. Many folks who I respect certainly think so.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Jesus is some deep stuff. Takes a lifetime to search and a death to understand.

I try pretty hard, but fail a lot. God saw that we all do that and sent Jesus.

Wait, so God sent Jesus because we have such a hard time understanding Jesus? Maybe if he wouldn't have sent him at all, we'd be less confused?

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust.

I don't think I fit either of your categories here. I reject God, your god, all gods, because I don't believe they actually exist in the first place. I'm not projecting and I'm not misinformed, having been raised Catholic and thereby getting the full course of indoctrination from an early age. I just grew up and realized it was all bull-####. Kind of like how I grew up and stopped believing in Santa Claus.

To the first point, those are two separate thoughts, not a sequence of logic.

And the second, it sounds like you fall squarely into the second category. I don't consider someone raised Catholic to be informed about anything when it comes to God. I'd agree that Catholicism is complete and total bull####, but its not God. You rejecting that isn't really rejecting God, because that's not Him.

Well, that's a new one. You've got my interest. Can you expand on why you think Catholicism is so much different from whatever flavor of Christianity you're arguing for? What would I need to educate myself on in order to move from uninformed former Catholic to "informed about God" in your opinion?

 

[matttyl]

Why is it that some religious people feel they have to ram this stuff down everyone's throat?

Personally, I wouldnt consider a thread that is clearly titled to be ramming anything down someone's throat. People choose whether or not to read it. You obviously chose to have it "rammed down your throat".

Well just look at what he's wearing. He was obviously asking for it.

 

[Soulfly3]

rejection of faith is why america is so fat

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

JAYROD IS GOD

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

 

[Godsbrother]

Why is it that some religious people feel they have to ram this stuff down everyone's throat?

Personally, I wouldnt consider a thread that is clearly titled to be ramming anything down someone's throat. People choose whether or not to read it. You obviously chose to have it "rammed down your throat".

I suppose although I really wasn't sure what the thread was about simply by the title. For all I knew it could have been the name of a movie or TV show.

For example last night I watched a movie called City of God which I imagine disappointed a lot of religious people looking for an inspirational film.

 

[Godsbrother]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Agreed. Me too.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I don't consider someone raised Catholic to be informed about anything when it comes to God. I'd agree that Catholicism is complete and total bull####, but its not God.

Oh, neat.

A Christian takfiri.

 

[dgreen]

Why is it that some religious people feel they have to ram this stuff down everyone's throat?

Because some religious people view themselves as one of God's salesmen.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Agreed. Me too.

You would say that about your brother.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Meh

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Meh

Well his passion about Catholics aside, I guess. That post was a little out of his norm, I thought.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Meh

Well his passion about Catholics aside, I guess. That post was a little out of his norm, I thought.

A lot of evangelical Christians seem to forget the "judge not, lest ye be judged" bit.

 

[CBusAlex]

JAYROD IS GOD

Now this is a religion I can get behind.

 

[urbanhack]

JAYROD IS GOD

you quit the church, therefore, you know nothing!

 

[flysack]

Why is it that some religious people feel they have to ram this stuff down everyone's throat?

Relax homie. He's just sharing the good news that we all should have small, inadequate penises.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

[SIZE=10pt]ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]There are some things that you should know:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]3. If you will Admit to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, Believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and Accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be forgiven and taken to heaven to be with Him when you die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your trust in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN TO JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]4. If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe it with all of your heart, you could pray something like this to God from your heart:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen." [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]There are some things that you should know:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]3. If you will Admit to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, Believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and Accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be forgiven and taken to heaven to be with Him when you die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your trust in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN TO JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]4. If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe it with all of your heart, you could pray something like this to God from your heart:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen." [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism. [/SIZE]

Roses are red

And you are a putz

I hope before you die

An elephant steps on your nuts.

 

[tonydead]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Unless you know god like I know god you don't know god? Politely judgmental.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Unless you know god like I know god you don't know god? Politely judgmental.

Right. Unless he is God, then he pvvns.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Roses are red

And you are a putz

I hope before you die

An elephant steps on your nuts.

lol

 

[rockaction]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Meh

Well his passion about Catholics aside, I guess. That post was a little out of his norm, I thought.

A lot of evangelical Christians seem to forget the "judge not, lest ye be judged" bit.

Jayrod. Typical anti-Catholic, typical blowhard evangelical. Congrats to him.

 

[rockaction]

No, really. Please insult Catholics some more. We'd love to hear some Protestant interpretation of the Bible. Because it's not like Catholics are known for scholarship. We leave that to the Prostestants.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

JAYROD IS GOD

Now this is a religion I can get behind.

With some of these people you are a lot safer getting behind them.

 

[tri-man 47]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Agreed. Me too.

Me three ...lots of respect. I don't have the eloquence or patience to respond to the posts like he does.

 

[rockaction]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Agreed. Me too.

Me three ...lots of respect. I don't have the eloquence or patience to respond to the posts like he does.

No, but you can insult Catholic doctrine. Sort of like a former porn addict who writes like the KKK because he couldn't handle his own masturbatory impulses.

eta* And then masturbates all over the board when it comes to religion. But, hey...good work.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

JAYROD IS GOD

I find him to be a reasonable and respectful fellow. He is open in his religious beliefs, but as far as I know he has never forced them on anybody. He joins threads on religion, most of which he does not start, at least to my recollection, and he shares his views politely. I like Jayrod.

Agreed. Me too.

Me three ...lots of respect. I don't have the eloquence or patience to respond to the posts like he does.

No, but you can insult Catholic doctrine. Sort of like a former porn addict who writes like the KKK because he couldn't handle his own masturbatory impulses.

eta* And then masturbates all over the board when it comes to religion. But, hey...good work.

Sounds messy.

 

[matuski]

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust. .

I do not believe gods (not just yours) exist because I have never been given reason to. Raised Lutheran, uber religious mother's side of the family.

Kinda puts a few (many) holes in this theory.

When people point to their "religious" upbringing as evidence of them knowing about God, you are likely in the second category.

Rejecting belief in God isn't rejecting God. To reject God, I feel you have to actually believe he exists.

Why would your religious experiences trump mine?

 

[Zow]

Jesus is some deep stuff. Takes a lifetime to search and a death to understand.

I try pretty hard, but fail a lot. God saw that we all do that and sent Jesus.

Wait, so God sent Jesus because we have such a hard time understanding Jesus? Maybe if he wouldn't have sent him at all, we'd be less confused?

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust.

I don't think I fit either of your categories here. I reject God, your god, all gods, because I don't believe they actually exist in the first place. I'm not projecting and I'm not misinformed, having been raised Catholic and thereby getting the full course of indoctrination from an early age. I just grew up and realized it was all bull-####. Kind of like how I grew up and stopped believing in Santa Claus.

You want to know what made me reject God? I studied and worked with the priests and monks who worked on the Old Testament version of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saint_John's_Bible

Through that study I became fascinated, from an academic standpoint, that the Bible was created for purely politically driven purposes and that translation over time has naturally distorted what was probably originally written. I springboarded off that study to spent 6 months or so reading any other religious texts I could get my hands on, and then branched that into books on philosophy.

From all that I concluded two things about God:

1. He's likely not real, because the documents that suggest that he's real are held out to be something different than they were.

2. God exists because the human mind fears end and nothingness and, as a self preservation mechanism, when life gets crappy and we don't get what we want we yearn to create an outlet for some better future where we do.

Couple all this with the idea that if God truly did exist then the world probably wouldn't have such ####ty stuff in it and I'd argue that, at least in my experience, reason and education is what pushes people away from God.

 

[Zow]

Jesus is some deep stuff. Takes a lifetime to search and a death to understand.

I try pretty hard, but fail a lot. God saw that we all do that and sent Jesus.

Wait, so God sent Jesus because we have such a hard time understanding Jesus? Maybe if he wouldn't have sent him at all, we'd be less confused?

From what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust.

I don't think I fit either of your categories here. I reject God, your god, all gods, because I don't believe they actually exist in the first place. I'm not projecting and I'm not misinformed, having been raised Catholic and thereby getting the full course of indoctrination from an early age. I just grew up and realized it was all bull-####. Kind of like how I grew up and stopped believing in Santa Claus.

To the first point, those are two separate thoughts, not a sequence of logic.

And the second, it sounds like you fall squarely into the second category. I don't consider someone raised Catholic to be informed about anything when it comes to God. I'd agree that Catholicism is complete and total bull####, but its not God. You rejecting that isn't really rejecting God, because that's not Him.

 

[culdeus]

Someone get this to tsarnev

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Someone get this to tsarnev

I can't wait to see the look on his face when he finds out he only gets 71 virgins!

 

[jamny]

I would like to believe. Maybe some day, but not yet.

 

[lod01]

[SIZE=10pt]ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?[/SIZE]

Yes, I'm awesome and God would be lucky to have me.

When I arrive, I'll be slapping a high five with the big guy and there will be a lot of 'believers' pissed off that they wasted all that time going to church (also known as trying to bribe their way in). I'll say, 'told ya'.

 

[lod01]

[SIZE=10pt]ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?[/SIZE]

1 post? Give me that ### #### password. You don't need it.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Still waiting on Jayrod to explain to me why one brand of Christianity is so much better than another? I mean, they all have the same god, the same book, etc. Not even talking about all the other religions, all the other books out there. Once you realize they're all a different brand of the same bull ####, it's hard to imagine how anyone can think theirs is so different and special.

I guess that's what religions do best though right? Alienate the non-believers. You're either with us or you're against us, and you can only gain everlasting life (sometimes with 70-some-odd virgins at your disposal) if you follow our rules, and, of course, pay us lots of money.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The hymnal

Shine on backwards oh, masters of my fate

Tell me great ones just how I rate

Should I bow my head or scream your holy names

Tell me dear ones am I still in the game?

Shine on up down to you dear lords I pray

Give me answers and happiness today

Should I dress in white or wear thee around my neck

Tell me great ones just how to write the check

To pay for my sins and keep my lords in animal skins

To pay for my acts and keep my lords in white cadillacs

Crack The Sky - Animal Skins

 

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Jayrod, on 15 May 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

CowboysFromHell, on 15 May 2015 - 05:15 AM, said:

Jayrod, on 14 May 2015 - 9:16 PM, said:Jesus is some deep stuff. Takes a lifetime to search and a death to understand.

I try pretty hard, but fail a lot. God saw that we all do that and sent Jesus.

Wait, so God sent Jesus because we have such a hard time understanding Jesus? Maybe if he wouldn't have sent him at all, we'd be less confused?

QuoteFrom what I've seen, people that reject God, most of them, either place on God something that they saw in another person (placing their judgement of God based upon a human's actions....dumb), or are just totally misinformed on what God is really about...usually from someone they trust.

I don't think I fit either of your categories here. I reject God, your god, all gods, because I don't believe they actually exist in the first place. I'm not projecting and I'm not misinformed, having been raised Catholic and thereby getting the full course of indoctrination from an early age. I just grew up and realized it was all bull-####. Kind of like how I grew up and stopped believing in Santa Claus.

To the first point, those are two separate thoughts, not a sequence of logic.

And the second, it sounds like you fall squarely into the second category. I don't consider someone raised Catholic to be informed about anything when it comes to God. I'd agree that Catholicism is complete and total bull####, but its not God. You rejecting that isn't really rejecting God, because that's not Him.

Wow. You know Jayrod, I generally agree with what some of the other people have written about you here; I like you. I think you're a pretty smart guy, and generally polite and open to discussion.

And I'm not even a Catholic, but isn't this pretty damned insulting and offensive? Perhaps you haven't thought this through.