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Housler Hype (3 Viewers)
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Right. Had that been 16 games that is something. But that is exactly 66 yards per game, which will net you almost exactly 1,000 yards over 16 games (1056 to be exact) and a whopping 5.9 TD's over a complete season. In a lot of leagues, that's not a guy worth starting outside of a flex position...
cstu
Footballguy
My point was that Housler was getting involved a lot in the 2nd half of the season.
The Cards offense was awful last year and had low YPR by receivers across the board. I'm not ready to lay the blame on Housler just yet for his low YPR.
Faust
MVP
I really don't get the hype with this guy. Sure, Palmer will help, but with the way some people are talking up this passing game (in relation to Fitz and Floyd too), you'd think it was Tom Brady getting these guys the ball. Palmer had an unexpectedly good (fantasy) year last year, but a lot of that was due to game script and the Raiders throwing a tonne from behind for a lot of meaningless garbage stats. Zona won't be great, but their defence should be solid for the most part, and I see them playing in more tighter, low scoring games where they don't get blown out early. Palmer is an upgrade over Skelton/Kolb in fantasy and reality, but I'm not sure it's by enough to make this a viable fantasy passing game. Also, Housler is only the third option at best in the passing game, and probably fourth after Roberts. I just don't see the upside. As a backup TE, he'll probably be fine, but I wouldn't want to be putting him in my starting lineup outside of bye weeks.
massraider
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Cardinals have been inept since Warner left. Kind of irrelevant. I'm not fan of Palmer, but if they even get back to an AVERAGE passing attack, all the offensive players should see big jumps in production.
This thread has been very quiet in August and Housler is still flying way under the radar. I'm beginning to really warm up to him as a serious sleeper and I just picked him up as a stash behind Finley and fleener.
Lets say Carson Palmer throws for 4200 yards and 30 tds this year (conservative given last years production, Bruce Arians offense, and the talented wrs he has this year)
Fitz comes back to life - 1300 yards, 10 Tds
Floyd breaks out - 1100 yards, 8 Tds
Roberts contributes - 700 yards, 4 Tds
The RBS combine for 300 yards and 2 Tds
That leaves 800 yards and 6 tds for Housler. I'd say that would put him in TE1 territory, no?
Someone check my math I'm typing in my iPhone on the bowl.
Lets say Carson Palmer throws for 4200 yards and 30 tds this year (conservative given last years production, Bruce Arians offense, and the talented wrs he has this year)
Fitz comes back to life - 1300 yards, 10 Tds
Floyd breaks out - 1100 yards, 8 Tds
Roberts contributes - 700 yards, 4 Tds
The RBS combine for 300 yards and 2 Tds
That leaves 800 yards and 6 tds for Housler. I'd say that would put him in TE1 territory, no?
Someone check my math I'm typing in my iPhone on the bowl.
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Man of Zen
Footballguy
I like Palmer as a nice match for Arians and what he wants to do, but I'm not sure I could get on board with calling 4200/30 "conservative."
Well maybe conservative wasn't the right term but he passed for 4000 Tds and 22 Tds under much worse conditions in oak last year. Denarius Moore was his #1 wr. Brandon Meyers was his best receiver. Leaves a lot to be desired.
A case could be made that Andre Roberts, Arizona's #3 wr, could be wr1 in oak.
Look at what Big Ben and luck did under Arians.
We Tigers
Footballguy
Part of why this thread is quiet may be that he doesn't have a catch through two preseason games. I still like him late as a sleeper, but there's a reason the Jordan Cameron thread is blowing up while this one's napping.
Also, your math leaves out all the players who'll pick up 5-10 catches throughout the year. Those guys--the second TE, the 4th and 5th WR--tend to eat up 400+ yards for most teams. Arians' teams are pretty streamlined in that way, but even last year's Indy teams had 245 yards go to TE/WRs outside of Wayne/Hilton/Avery/Allen/Fleener.
Also, your math leaves out all the players who'll pick up 5-10 catches throughout the year. Those guys--the second TE, the 4th and 5th WR--tend to eat up 400+ yards for most teams. Arians' teams are pretty streamlined in that way, but even last year's Indy teams had 245 yards go to TE/WRs outside of Wayne/Hilton/Avery/Allen/Fleener.
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This sounds like Arians is hinting towards using Housler like the Pats used Aaron Hernandez. Interesting.
JFS171
Footballguy
Have to admit I'm getting a bit concerned, especially with the depth at TE behind the elites.
Arians doesn't really have a history of using his TEs, and Housler's barely been targeted through two games. It's not time to panic just yet, but if someone else in my league was a real believer and offered me a solid deal, I'd gladly move on.
I just feel like he's 4th in line, at best, for targets in this offense (Fitz, Floyd, Roberts) -- not including the RBs. Combined with Arians history... color me concerned.
Arians doesn't really have a history of using his TEs, and Housler's barely been targeted through two games. It's not time to panic just yet, but if someone else in my league was a real believer and offered me a solid deal, I'd gladly move on.
I just feel like he's 4th in line, at best, for targets in this offense (Fitz, Floyd, Roberts) -- not including the RBs. Combined with Arians history... color me concerned.
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cstu
Footballguy
Pretty strong endorsement, but even if they are testing his blocking you'd think they'd get some passing work in during the preseason.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Count me out on Housler for drafting. Could work out, but too many targets in AZ and Arians just hasn't shown his hand. Maybe he is playing poker, maybe he isn't. His history says Housler shouldn't be your starting TE.
Bad reports out of camp about the staff not being happy with Housler, Arians, history ...meh, better risks. I'd rather have Davis or someone else less sexy.
Bad reports out of camp about the staff not being happy with Housler, Arians, history ...meh, better risks. I'd rather have Davis or someone else less sexy.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Where are these reports? Don't remember even one saying something along those lines.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I agree, all the report were that he was tearing it up and was pretty much a large WR
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
People always state that like it's a good thing. Sometimes, a "large WR" playing TE is a bad thing. You know, like when having to be physical or when blocking linebackers/defensive lineman.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Sorry guys - just went looking for the comment about coach(es) frustrated with him and can't find it so maybe I imagined it.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
I'm not sure where the reports he was tearing it up originated from. I was out at camp everyday but 2. He looked decent in camp but the he actually didn't do a lot of receiving work. He did a lot of work his the O-line, He didn't stand out or come up with any WOW catches (which is one gripe I have about him -- he never ever comes up with a tough catch).
He's a guy that'll look good with a lot of room to run -- because he is a good athlete for someone his size. He's never screamed fantasy factor to me -- and this camp was no different. I personally would have sold him several weeks ago.
massraider
Footballguy
If you can roster three TEs, sure. Otherwise.....
Crazy Tony
Footballguy
I'm thinking about dropping this guy to get a good kicker before there's a run on them. I puzzled him up lay yay with high hopes. Ain't seen squat. Just hype. Now ankle injury. Safe to drop in dynasty league? Just trying to gauge long term value before i drop him and end up regretting it usually means he'll go off
Crazy Tony
Footballguy
Sorry Swype sucks. How do you value Housler at the moment?
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
OK so lets get more tactical here.
I cannot be the only one who took Housler to backup Finley/Olson this year in redraft.
What is the move here? Week 4 seems long enough away. If not what are you doing?
I cannot be the only one who took Housler to backup Finley/Olson this year in redraft.
What is the move here? Week 4 seems long enough away. If not what are you doing?
valhallan
Footballguy
I dropped. He hasn't done enough for anyone to get excited about holding him through the injury. If a spot on my roster comes open when he's close to returning, maybe I'll scoop him back up.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
My old man used to have a saying about guys like this:
"A lot of noise on the stairs but nobody coming down."
"A lot of noise on the stairs but nobody coming down."
cstu
Footballguy
In dynasty I don't know how you can drop a guy with his speed who also caught 45 passes in his second year.
He does remind me of Dustin Keller who took 3 years to make any fantasy impact. However, I am concerned that he never lives up to his talent much the way Keller never did.
Nucker101
Footballguy
I think he'll be an even better buy-low after the season ends. I don't expect much from the Cardinals offense this year. I'd acquire him cheap after this season and then hope Arizona can improve their O-Line and QB situation.
cstu
Footballguy
Possibly, but I think anyone holding onto him through the season is likely thinking the same thing.
You are aware he started the season banged up and now (assuming he's healthy) has produced 'decent' stats. I wouldn't write him off just yet.
valhallan
Footballguy
Of course I'm aware. That information is common knowledge. He still hasn't produced much more than average stats in his opportunities and has zero touchdowns to his name. Its hard to juatify keeping him rostered after holding him over two years. And actually, he's still sitting on the waiver wire in all three of my dynasties after I dropped him.
He's on the waiver wire now but if he scores a TD he's gonna be the "Yahoo Pickup of the Week". I'm frustrated as hell with the guy, too. But look how Larry Fitzgerald (an exceptional talent) has faired the past few years. That entire Offense has been a Fantasy Wasteland.
I feel like down the stretch we're gonna see whether or not Housler has the goods or not. There's really not much of an excuse if he doesn't produce now (or at least look decent on film).
EDIT: Catching 7 passes is actually really promising for me. His longest catch of the season is 23 yards which is alarming. If he can catch a 30 - 40 yard gainer by the end of the season, that will be very promising to me. But without those big plays, he's going to need to see a HIGH VOLUME of targets to be a TE2; especially since he hasn't proved to be a RZ threat.
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