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And what do you know - we have paper records that match the vote totalIn particular, the senators say every machine should reliably produce paper records
And what do you know - we have paper records that match the vote totalIn particular, the senators say every machine should reliably produce paper records
On a macro-level, you might be right. In the grand scheme of things, there may not be nation-wide healing and moving forward until the Trumps are out of politics and influential positions. But, all of that has absolutely nothing to to do with me and my ability to treat others in a positive manner. My actions and behavior don't have to be conditional.Amused to Death said:I've made this point as well. There can be no healing until the Trump family is out of politics. And I can not reconcile with anyone who still supports his actions.
This is beyond ridiculous.
Fortunately IRL I don't know anyone who does support the current actions. But I'd definitely be vocal of my opposition if I did. I can be polite otherwise.On a macro-level, you might be right. In the grand scheme of things, there may not be nation-wide healing and moving forward until the Trumps are out of politics and influential positions. But, all of that has absolutely nothing to to do with me and my ability to treat others in a positive manner. My actions and behavior don't have to be conditional.
What's your goal of your hypothetical vocal opposition?Fortunately IRL I don't know anyone who does support the current actions. But I'd definitely be vocal of my opposition if I did. I can be polite otherwise.
Put it this way, if I'm in a conversation with someone and subject of Trump and feelings towards his seditious actions comes up, my feelings would be known. I'm wouldn't be the one to bring it up, but I wouldn't shy away from it either.What's your goal of your hypothetical vocal opposition?
Thanks. I get that. But to what end? What are you trying to accomplish by making your feelings known?Put it this way, if I'm in a conversation with someone and subject of Trump and feelings towards his seditious actions comes up, my feelings would be known. I'm wouldn't be the one to bring it up, but I wouldn't shy away from it either.
https://ktxs.com/news/beyond-the-podium/georgia-runoffs-are-impossible-to-properly-audit-experts-sayAnd what do you know - we have paper records that match the vote total
*******And what do you know - we have paper records that match the vote total
Thanks for posting this*******
So there's a piece of "paper" according to the moops. ( He's saying there is a piece of paper, but not saying what's actually on that piece of paper)
What he's not telling you is that NO HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET CAN READ A BAR CODE WITH THEIR NAKED EYES.
Half the people don't even look at their ballot afterwards, of those that do, only 7 percent talk to a poll worker after spending 4 seconds on the average looking at it, and even if they do that, there is no actual process/standard/guideline/recourse to do anything about it.
Let's go over this shall we
1) Georgia election law states that any contest in dispute must be checked with a Risk Limiting Audit. This is NOT an issue open for dispute.
2) Georgia SOS Raffensperger orders what amounts to a hand tally/re-canvass, and NOT an official RLA as required by law, according to Philip Stark, who invented the RLA. Stark also states that this election should be in dispute and that voters should not be confident in what Raffensperger is saying. This is NOT an issue open for dispute.
3) Georgia spent 107 million dollars on system with NO FEDERAL OVERSIGHT NOR REGULATION where the companies investors ARE SHIELDED WITH ANONYMITY to replace a proven pen and paper 30 million dollar system. That basic battle tested pen and paper system ( low tech) is acknowledged universally as the system most capable of being "tamper proof". This is NOT an issue open for dispute.
Oh, one more thing, if it's not clear - NO HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET CAN READ A BAR CODE WITH THEIR NAKED EYES.
This is true.And now the healing thread has become as unreadable as most of the other threads in this forum, thanks to a single poster. Good times.
The ignore feature works great. I find this thread to be very readable.And now the healing thread has become as unreadable as most of the other threads in this forum, thanks to a single poster. Good times.
Impeachment is also insufficient. To me, this is just the case that proves the OLC memo is just wrong. It just can’t be afforded any precedential weight because we’ve experienced the exact parade of horrible it invited. .Trump should be impeached again. If he's not impeached again, he must be prosecuted.
The penalty for attempting to remain in power by corruptly overturning an election cannot simply be that it didn't work. If that's the only consequence, every President who loses an election should try to illegally remain in power by whatever fraudulent means he can think of. The upside if you succeed is that you can become king. The downside if you fail is ... what? Nothing? That doesn't seem like a good set of incentives.
There should be both. Like a Reese's.Trump should be impeached again. If he's not impeached again, he must be prosecuted.
The penalty for attempting to remain in power by corruptly overturning an election cannot simply be that it didn't work. If that's the only consequence, every President who loses an election should try to illegally remain in power by whatever fraudulent means he can think of. The upside if you succeed is that you can become king. The downside if you fail is ... what? Nothing? That doesn't seem like a good set of incentives.
I'm usually not a fan (to put it mildly) of prosecuting former presidents, but I strongly agree that this latest travesty by Trump should be one of the very few exceptions to that general rule. I say that as somebody who would have been okay with a pardon for most of the other stuff he's done in office.Trump should be impeached again. If he's not impeached again, he must be prosecuted.
The penalty for attempting to remain in power by corruptly overturning an election cannot simply be that it didn't work. If that's the only consequence, every President who loses an election should try to illegally remain in power by whatever fraudulent means he can think of. The upside if you succeed is that you can become king. The downside if you fail is ... what? Nothing? That doesn't seem like a good set of incentives.
I just find it sad that in this of all threads, we are expected to ignore and or report things. I've never done either, but I guess I will be forced to by the awful moderation that we see in this forum. This fake GG will of course be allowed to continuously spam away.The ignore feature works great. I find this thread to be very readable.
Ignore is your friend. It has brought back my happiness hereAnd now the healing thread has become as unreadable as most of the other threads in this forum, thanks to a single poster. Good times.
I'm sorry, did you say something?Ignore is your friend. It has brought back my happiness here
Exactly. We will be able to heal when he and his party are destroyed.Trump should be impeached again. If he's not impeached again, he must be prosecuted.
The penalty for attempting to remain in power by corruptly overturning an election cannot simply be that it didn't work. If that's the only consequence, every President who loses an election should try to illegally remain in power by whatever fraudulent means he can think of. The upside if you succeed is that you can become king. The downside if you fail is ... what? Nothing? That doesn't seem like a good set of incentives.
HOT TAKEExactly. We will be able to heal when he and his party are destroyed.
Destroying people and their parties now....this is quite the fictional adventure!Exactly. We will be able to heal when he and his party are destroyed.
I think @GordonGekkoposts are well done and provocative. Isn’t wasn’t too long ago the crew demanded everyone outside of the majority opinion show their work by backing up their opinions like they were writing a thesis.This is true.
Mr. Gekko, please don't do that.
A good rule for you would be to never copy-and-paste anything. Write your own thoughts.
Agreed, he’s provided some good info.I think @GordonGekkoposts are well done and provocative. Isn’t wasn’t too long ago the crew demanded everyone outside of the majority opinion show their work by backing up their opinions like they were writing a thesis.
I think @GordonGekkoposts are well done and provocative. Isn’t wasn’t too long ago the crew demanded everyone outside of the majority opinion show their work by backing up their opinions like they were writing a thesis.
The quality of the info isn't at issue. The quantity is.Agreed, he’s provided some good info.
This board should host photos then.The quality of the info isn't at issue. The quantity is.
A lot of people are saying that there are too many words, and scrolling is tedious on a phone.
GG has 650 posts. The person complaining has over 148,000.The quality of the info isn't at issue. The quantity is.
A lot of people are saying that there are too many words, and scrolling is tedious on a phone.
But the complaint isn't that he posts too many LINKS, it's that he's cutting and pasting entire blocks of text that you can go to simply by going TO THE LINK. Personally, I appreciate the links of his source material even if he deceptively tries to bury the actual source with "fair and balanced" links to obfuscate the fact he's clearly getting the original point from some far right wing donor sight. But I'm fine with that... a few extra links no problem imo.I think @GordonGekkoposts are well done and provocative. Isn’t wasn’t too long ago the crew demanded everyone outside of the majority opinion show their work by backing up their opinions like they were writing a thesis.
Let me guess, all of these people are anti Trump?The quality of the info isn't at issue. The quantity is.
A lot of people are saying that there are too many words, and scrolling is tedious on a phone.
. While ignoring guys running around saying no chance for healing unless every Trump supporter denounces him.Let me guess, all of these people are anti Trump?
We are really going to censor a guy because the regulars don’t like scrolling? Would think you all would embrace a voice from the other side with the stamina to absorb certain posters flooding them.
Or even certain posters that basically post 100 times/day “I’M RIGHT, YOU’RE WRONG!” essentially over and over for years on end isn’t a problem but posting so much content you have to scroll is?. While ignoring guys running around saying no chance for healing unless every Trump supporter denounces him.
Just about the same as the GOP would like your vote to be worth. Congratulations... I guess?I vote don’t censor him...but you know what my vote is worth in here.
Jesus, please no.Back to the healing and moving forward topic. If the Democrats were somehow able to win both of the Georgia seats and take control of the Senate, would they be willing to focus on moderate judicial nominations that are likely to have more bipartisan support than progressive nominees?
My understanding is the 1 wasn't so much a win as a willingness of the court to hear what they had to say. The other 60 were laughed out at the door. Is that incorrect?1-60 — Trump’s record in court. There’s reality. And the one victory was minor.
This is fantasy that’s tearing at the fabric of the nation. It’s a temper tantrum, nothing more.
Any arguments to the contrary are acting out in support of a despot seeking to maintain power against the Constitution.
I guess that’s supposed to be a dig but pretty weak. Way to heal bro.Just about the same as the GOP would like your vote to be worth. Congratulations... I guess?
Sure, but if I were posting as an "Always Trump" poster you'd probably give me a thumbs up!I guess that’s supposed to be a dig but pretty weak. Way to heal bro.
What’s the temper tantrum, the behavior of those in here about Trump? I think we are on the same page there but I don’t agree about his court record at all.....settlements are not a loss. Also his overall business record is quite strong as had been shown in here many times.1-60 — Trump’s record in court. There’s reality. And the one victory was minor.
This is fantasy that’s tearing at the fabric of the nation. It’s a temper tantrum, nothing more.
Any arguments to the contrary are acting out in support of a despot seeking to maintain power against the Constitution.
Dont pretend you ever thought Trump was going to go away quietly without controversy. And dont overdramaticize it. Most people hear a few minutes of it from the MSM and then forget about it and go on with their lives.1-60 — Trump’s record in court. There’s reality. And the one victory was minor.
This is fantasy that’s tearing at the fabric of the nation. It’s a temper tantrum, nothing more.
Any arguments to the contrary are acting out in support of a despot seeking to maintain power against the Constitution.
Whether people forget about or not, Trump's phone call to the GA SoS is unacceptable and needs to be dealt with. Do not accept it as just Trump being Trump.Dont pretend you ever thought Trump was going to go away quietly without controversy. And dont overdramaticize it. Most people hear a few minutes of it from the MSM and then forget about it and go on with their lives.
Have a lot of experience with this kind of thing, do you? Old hat? It's no biggie that the President is trying to illegally overturn a fairly contested election?Dont pretend you ever thought Trump was going to go away quietly without controversy. And dont overdramaticize it. Most people hear a few minutes of it from the MSM and then forget about it and go on with their lives.
I'm healing fine and my guy didnt even win, and is playing a bit of a sore sport until his time is up. It will be ok though, relax.Have a lot of experience with this kind of thing, do you? Old hat? It's no biggie that the President is trying to illegally overturn a fairly contested election?
"Healing" LOL
They would be foolish to do this, IMO. Whether or not it could help heal or not may be a different question but I still wouldn’t do it.Back to the healing and moving forward topic. If the Democrats were somehow able to win both of the Georgia seats and take control of the Senate, would they be willing to focus on moderate judicial nominations that are likely to have more bipartisan support than progressive nominees?
In what way was it unacceptable?Whether people forget about or not, Trump's phone call to the GA SoS is unacceptable and needs to be dealt with. Do not accept it as just Trump being Trump.
Oh you are talking just these recent lawsuits? I thought you were referring to over his career.What do you mean settlements? All but one of his supposed election fraud cases was thrown out, most with prejudice. 1-60.
As for his business dealings, that’s a separate argument, but if he’d invested his inheritance in a mutual fund and didn’t touch it he’d be worth 2x.
According to this, $200m invested in 1975 would yield a 30x+ return. Even if he’d invested half and squandered the rest, he’d be worth over $3b.
https://moneywise.com/a/2000-invested-year-you-were-born-worth-now