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FFA Movie Poll - 1971 It's Countdown Monday! (2 Viewers)
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Eephus
Footballguy
15 points (three-way tie for third).
Altman's first half of the 70s from M*A*S*H to Nashville was as productive a stretch as any American director had in the post-studio era.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
McCabe is a film i've been trying to like for forty years and, except for the set & setting, have been completely unable to. I only listed it at all for its place in film history and in that chain of productivity Eephus mentioned
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Really an interesting career. He had that red hot 70s run (I know @wikkidpissah is also a big fan of The Long Goodbye). Then next thing you know he's making Popeye and just some complete trash in the 80s. Then he knocks out The Player and Gosford Park late in the game and really rehabilitated his legacy.
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Eephus
Footballguy
The conventional wisdom is that big spectacles with lots of stuff blowing up are the movies that lose the most when seen on the small screen. That's probably the case but I also believe Altman's films are best seen in a theater. A big screen in a dark place helps me focus on the dialog and it's easy to miss stuff if I'm distracted. There's also something to be said for an audience collectively trying to decide what is comedy and what is drama in real-time.
I'll defend Popeye and O.C. and Stiggs when we get to the 80s. I'm not a big fan of The Player or Short Cuts.
I'll defend Popeye and O.C. and Stiggs when we get to the 80s. I'm not a big fan of The Player or Short Cuts.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#5 213pts
13/3
It's no "Citizen Kane"
I concur that this is one of the most overrated movies of all time. The editing is clumsy and draws too much attention to itself. I squirmed in the "famous" skinny dipping scene because it is so over-the-top self-conscious. In the period in which the film is placed, skinny-dipping would have been the norm at any YMCA and co-ed nudity was probably not much of stretch in a small, backwater community. (Note to film makers: If you can't just let nudity happen naturally in a scene, then set the scene somewhere else! Don't distract us with coy posing to deliberately hide the parts you'll think we'll be embarrassed about). Bogdanovich tells the story of how he picked up the book "The Last Picture Show" read the liner notes then put it down thinking it sounded boring. He was correct and should have left it at that. For a vastly better study of American teenagers with a pop music score, try George Lucas' "American Graffiti."
THE LAST PICTURE SHOW
13/3
It's no "Citizen Kane"
I concur that this is one of the most overrated movies of all time. The editing is clumsy and draws too much attention to itself. I squirmed in the "famous" skinny dipping scene because it is so over-the-top self-conscious. In the period in which the film is placed, skinny-dipping would have been the norm at any YMCA and co-ed nudity was probably not much of stretch in a small, backwater community. (Note to film makers: If you can't just let nudity happen naturally in a scene, then set the scene somewhere else! Don't distract us with coy posing to deliberately hide the parts you'll think we'll be embarrassed about). Bogdanovich tells the story of how he picked up the book "The Last Picture Show" read the liner notes then put it down thinking it sounded boring. He was correct and should have left it at that. For a vastly better study of American teenagers with a pop music score, try George Lucas' "American Graffiti."
THE LAST PICTURE SHOW
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#4 248 pts
15/5
Vastly overrated
I've heard of this movie since it was new. It came out about the same time as "The French Connection," a splendid movie with great acting, direction, cinematography, dialogue, story line and believability.
I always assumed this was a great movie, based on its reputation.
I was very misinformed.
I watched it on television, through all the bad cinematography, errors and lapses in continuity, absurd plot, hopeless screenplay, but after the scene with the judge and the D.A. in the latter's office, that was it. It was way too stupid to put up with it any longer.
I lived in San Francisco off and on from 1961 to 1982 and it didn't represent anything close to reality in criminal justice with which I was extremely familiar, during that period. It didn't even make any sense geographically, for instance with the bag man magically moving from one end of the city to the other in the absence of available transportation, and the same with the final bus scene.
This debacle was inspired, if you could call it that, by the Zodiac killer, who murdered individuals and couples in San Francisco and all around California. He was never apprehended and his identity remains unknown. This was an opportunity for a great movie that was completely wasted.
DIRTY HARRY
15/5
Vastly overrated
I've heard of this movie since it was new. It came out about the same time as "The French Connection," a splendid movie with great acting, direction, cinematography, dialogue, story line and believability.
I always assumed this was a great movie, based on its reputation.
I was very misinformed.
I watched it on television, through all the bad cinematography, errors and lapses in continuity, absurd plot, hopeless screenplay, but after the scene with the judge and the D.A. in the latter's office, that was it. It was way too stupid to put up with it any longer.
I lived in San Francisco off and on from 1961 to 1982 and it didn't represent anything close to reality in criminal justice with which I was extremely familiar, during that period. It didn't even make any sense geographically, for instance with the bag man magically moving from one end of the city to the other in the absence of available transportation, and the same with the final bus scene.
This debacle was inspired, if you could call it that, by the Zodiac killer, who murdered individuals and couples in San Francisco and all around California. He was never apprehended and his identity remains unknown. This was an opportunity for a great movie that was completely wasted.
DIRTY HARRY
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#3 301pts
15/5
racist thuggish tripe
Somebody explain to me why this is great cinema.
A thuggish, bigoted, alcoholic white cop takes on the bad guys --- blacks, hispanics, and the french. While boozing and whoring and rousting the shifty blacks our heroes violate half the articles of the bill of rights. They raid local black bars and search people without probable cause. They hijack people's cars on the street. They beat up anyone they want to.
The film shows it's colors in a scene in which the effete verminous french enjoy a meal of escargot and roast beef in a fancy restaurant while our virtuous heroes on the make shiver outside in the cold, with lousy pizza and coffee so bad they have to pour it down the drain. Freedom fries indeed.
Along the way there are lots of car crashes, preposterous events, and absurd situations.
All the mayhem is OK though --- the bad guys are smuggling heroin. I honestly can't tell if the cops in an alcoholic stupor chasing the junkies around was supposed to be ironic or not, but I don't think so.
This film supposedly influenced many of those that came after it; certainly the Bush administration seems to have taken it to heart. What a load of crap.
THE FRENCH CONNECTION
15/5
racist thuggish tripe
Somebody explain to me why this is great cinema.
A thuggish, bigoted, alcoholic white cop takes on the bad guys --- blacks, hispanics, and the french. While boozing and whoring and rousting the shifty blacks our heroes violate half the articles of the bill of rights. They raid local black bars and search people without probable cause. They hijack people's cars on the street. They beat up anyone they want to.
The film shows it's colors in a scene in which the effete verminous french enjoy a meal of escargot and roast beef in a fancy restaurant while our virtuous heroes on the make shiver outside in the cold, with lousy pizza and coffee so bad they have to pour it down the drain. Freedom fries indeed.
Along the way there are lots of car crashes, preposterous events, and absurd situations.
All the mayhem is OK though --- the bad guys are smuggling heroin. I honestly can't tell if the cops in an alcoholic stupor chasing the junkies around was supposed to be ironic or not, but I don't think so.
This film supposedly influenced many of those that came after it; certainly the Bush administration seems to have taken it to heart. What a load of crap.
THE FRENCH CONNECTION
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I find myself agreeing with a lot of these reviews. 
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#2 400pts
16/12
A film for half-baked sociologists.
The tale of a violent man (a boy in the book) and societies attempt to reform him.
Never before has so much junk been written about a low budget movie that fails on so many fronts. You can read quite a bit of this cheap sociologist gobblede#### in the reviews that surround this one - in case you doubt my word!
Let us start with a few facts for a change: The film was made on the ultra cheap. Look at the lack of extras or expensive sets (all filming took place in real locations). Look at the cheap TV lighting. Look at the amount of hand held camera work. Warner Brothers didn't really want to make this movie, but Kubrick told them it would make pots of money and that won them over - in this he was right!
(To quote a Clash lyric: "They wear smart suits. And think it's funny. Turning rebellion in to money...")
Alex is living in a society we don't really see (in the movie at least). So how can we judge "society values?" Is Alex a one-off or common? This is a society that sells penis-shaped ice-lollies to children so it must be a bit sick in the head, but no attempt is made to give the movie on-the-ground context.
Set in the future is it? Well it is a future that looks a lot like the year it was made right down to the trousers and haircuts. Maybe the future looks a lot like 1972!
I look for films to do two main things: To educate or to entertain. Clockwork Orange does neither. Many scenes are quite revolting - and bizarrely they are even found revolting by some of the people who rate the movie highly!
I went to a rough house school that housed real football hooligans, rapists and sociopaths. Let me tell you now, they didn't like classical music or have the ability to explain their actions in clear language to anybody. Several were too stupid to even form sentences.
Having experienced/suffered the real thing why would I prefer to listen to the version of a highly protected/highly privileged middle class man (Kubrick) who - in success - chose to live his life behind barbed wire, protected by big dogs and shotguns?
I can stand rape and violence if it has a point to it, but here it doesn't. I am not surprised the original "rape victim" quit the movie, who would want to be portrayed on screen like that? Being held down and stripped, while someone with a bad comb-across tries to worm a hand held camera between your legs?
I don't attack Anthony Burgess's book (which I have read) because I think that is a valid exercise in literature. Not that it is that good or that original. Even AB admitted that the use of slang was borrowed from elsewhere.
I hate this film and the reasons that it was made. I also hate the people that make excuses for them. They should all be ashamed of themselves. Avoid at all costs.
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
16/12
A film for half-baked sociologists.
The tale of a violent man (a boy in the book) and societies attempt to reform him.
Never before has so much junk been written about a low budget movie that fails on so many fronts. You can read quite a bit of this cheap sociologist gobblede#### in the reviews that surround this one - in case you doubt my word!
Let us start with a few facts for a change: The film was made on the ultra cheap. Look at the lack of extras or expensive sets (all filming took place in real locations). Look at the cheap TV lighting. Look at the amount of hand held camera work. Warner Brothers didn't really want to make this movie, but Kubrick told them it would make pots of money and that won them over - in this he was right!
(To quote a Clash lyric: "They wear smart suits. And think it's funny. Turning rebellion in to money...")
Alex is living in a society we don't really see (in the movie at least). So how can we judge "society values?" Is Alex a one-off or common? This is a society that sells penis-shaped ice-lollies to children so it must be a bit sick in the head, but no attempt is made to give the movie on-the-ground context.
Set in the future is it? Well it is a future that looks a lot like the year it was made right down to the trousers and haircuts. Maybe the future looks a lot like 1972!
I look for films to do two main things: To educate or to entertain. Clockwork Orange does neither. Many scenes are quite revolting - and bizarrely they are even found revolting by some of the people who rate the movie highly!
I went to a rough house school that housed real football hooligans, rapists and sociopaths. Let me tell you now, they didn't like classical music or have the ability to explain their actions in clear language to anybody. Several were too stupid to even form sentences.
Having experienced/suffered the real thing why would I prefer to listen to the version of a highly protected/highly privileged middle class man (Kubrick) who - in success - chose to live his life behind barbed wire, protected by big dogs and shotguns?
I can stand rape and violence if it has a point to it, but here it doesn't. I am not surprised the original "rape victim" quit the movie, who would want to be portrayed on screen like that? Being held down and stripped, while someone with a bad comb-across tries to worm a hand held camera between your legs?
I don't attack Anthony Burgess's book (which I have read) because I think that is a valid exercise in literature. Not that it is that good or that original. Even AB admitted that the use of slang was borrowed from elsewhere.
I hate this film and the reasons that it was made. I also hate the people that make excuses for them. They should all be ashamed of themselves. Avoid at all costs.
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
That's right kids - so far we have only 2 movies that have been on every list submitted for a certain year. The Godfather II, and....
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
#1 420pts
18/12
Not exactly the charming film it's purported to be
Willy Wonka, as played by Gene Wilder, is the grown-up stranger all parents warn their kids not to talk to. He's smarmy. He's a little TOO friendly. He's horribly frightening. And to my utter astonishment, he turns out to be deadly. If I were 10 years old and I encountered Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka, I would run screaming from his presence as fast as my terrified little legs would carry me. I certainly wouldn't accept an invitation to visit his hellish chocolate factory where small children are slurped to their demise in giant vats of confection. This is supposed to be a CHILDREN'S film? It belongs on a double-feature bill with "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." What a perverted, hateful movie, and what a dirty trick to play on innocent children.
WILLY WONKA & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY
18/12
Not exactly the charming film it's purported to be
Willy Wonka, as played by Gene Wilder, is the grown-up stranger all parents warn their kids not to talk to. He's smarmy. He's a little TOO friendly. He's horribly frightening. And to my utter astonishment, he turns out to be deadly. If I were 10 years old and I encountered Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka, I would run screaming from his presence as fast as my terrified little legs would carry me. I certainly wouldn't accept an invitation to visit his hellish chocolate factory where small children are slurped to their demise in giant vats of confection. This is supposed to be a CHILDREN'S film? It belongs on a double-feature bill with "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." What a perverted, hateful movie, and what a dirty trick to play on innocent children.
WILLY WONKA & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Solid top 3. Good year.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Pretty good year. I was scuffling a bit to get to 10 in 1974, but I didn’t have that problem this year — and still more on my watch list that I’m planning to get to eventually.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Same even for the movies I likedI find myself agreeing with a lot of these reviews.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I was too and then I saw the list and realized I overlooked a few. Strong year at the top though. I am super busy the next few weeks. It’s my wife’s grandmothers 90th and we have people flying in all from over the country for parties. Luckily, late 50 is in my wheelhouse so I don’t really need to see much.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Others getting votes:
40-49pts:
Vanishing Point
Shaft
30-39:
A New Leaf
Le Mans
Carnal Knowledge
Adominable Dr. Phibes
Get Carter
20-29:
Summer of '42
Willard
Billy Jack
A Touch of Zen
Godzilla vs. Hedorah
Sunday Bloody Sunday
THX 1138
The Go-Between
And Now For Something Completely Different
Death in Venice
10-19:
Johnny Got His Gun
See No Evil
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song
The Big Boss
Murmur of the Heart
Light at the Edge of the World
Duck, You Sucker
Traffic
The Conformist
The Devils
Little Murders
Single Digit:
Wild Rovers
Godzilla vs. Smog Monster
The Bequiled
The Big Doll House
Bless the Beasts and Children
Red Sky at Morning
Two English Girls
Big Jake
The Decameron
200 Motels
the Music Lovers
Two Lane Blacktop
The Emigrants
Support Your Local Gunfighter
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
Panic in Needle Park
40-49pts:
Vanishing Point
Shaft
30-39:
A New Leaf
Le Mans
Carnal Knowledge
Adominable Dr. Phibes
Get Carter
20-29:
Summer of '42
Willard
Billy Jack
A Touch of Zen
Godzilla vs. Hedorah
Sunday Bloody Sunday
THX 1138
The Go-Between
And Now For Something Completely Different
Death in Venice
10-19:
Johnny Got His Gun
See No Evil
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song
The Big Boss
Murmur of the Heart
Light at the Edge of the World
Duck, You Sucker
Traffic
The Conformist
The Devils
Little Murders
Single Digit:
Wild Rovers
Godzilla vs. Smog Monster
The Bequiled
The Big Doll House
Bless the Beasts and Children
Red Sky at Morning
Two English Girls
Big Jake
The Decameron
200 Motels
the Music Lovers
Two Lane Blacktop
The Emigrants
Support Your Local Gunfighter
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
Panic in Needle Park
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Godzilla v. Hedorah and Godzilla v. The Smog Monster is the same movie. One is the Japanese title and the other the US released version. Not that it matters.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Willy Wonka is a 500 point movie. I get that Clockwork Orange could be hated and not able to get there, but Wonka should have. It's as close to a perfect movie as they could make at the time and the story doesn't just hold up now, but it is one of those that transcend storytelling.
The abortion of a remake should have led to criminal charges for everyone involved.
The abortion of a remake should have led to criminal charges for everyone involved.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Great point. What is the millenial film that fills that void? It would have to be something like 80s/early 90s.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Dumb & Dumber
Like everything else, wonder became a formula, and the theme of every animated movie. I bet Toy Story or Lion King resonates similarly in some small way for millies, but their every precious moment is a wonder anyways. Like Aristotle said, "If all men are my brothers, then none are..."
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Besides, that would make all women our sisters. Now that would not work out in most states, would it now?
Keith R
The Don
Great question. I like The Lion King as an answer but feel it should be a live-action film to carry that mantle. Flash Gordon and Never Ending Story probably came out too early. Not finding a near-perfect candidate
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Probably Harry Potter for later millenials. I don't really have a good one for earlier millenials.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
No film will ever carry the import of the Wizard of Oz, though - the Bible of 20th C secularism
Keith R
The Don
I'll sign off on this one. Jurrassic Park captured that sense of awe and wonder incredibly well
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Love that film. Some great character actors are in it along with John Forsythe, Jerry Mathers before Leave It to Beaver and the first film role of then 20 year old Shirley MacLaine.
krista4
Footballguy
@Eephus: I watched it, just under the wire for my Amazon rental!
I agree with everything you've said here, especially about its being shot so gorgeously. I might not have been as taken with the Pinter script as you were. I don't know if it was the source material he was working with, or just the fact that I prefer his style in a play to a movie (generally). All that being sad, I liked but didn't love the movie and can't figure out why. It was certainly a bit plodding, at least in the beginning, but that usually doesn't bother me. Somehow I just didn't connect that much with it. It might need a rewatch sometime to take it all in a bit better.
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Eephus
Footballguy
Glad you watched it and KP won't have to do a recount.
I found the movie stayed with me for a while when I watched it for this thread. Some movies pass through my memory like a sieve. If I watch a superhero movie I forget about the beginning of it before it ends.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I need to find time to watch that- I like that sort of story and setting, seems like a kind of precursor the the Merchant Ivory stuff.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Post-Culture Review @PostCultRev Aug 5
WILLY WONKA: Welcome to my child-murder factory
EVERYONE: Wait, what?
WILLY WONKA: You ####### heard me
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