flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm sorry, but you think because they drafted a guy in the 6th round this year means they don't like a guy they drafted last year? No
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Elijah McGuire (2 Viewers)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Have to agree here. Teams draft depth and probably had Cannon in mind for special teams.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
It sounds like Cannon and McGuire were drafted in the 6th round for the same reasons. I didn't see anything last season with McGuire that screamed "special". I'm interested in seeing how Cannon looks this week before marking him as a drop or wait and see.
Birdie048
Footballguy
There is a fair amount of similarity with these 2.... both 6th round picks -McGuire drafted in 2017 #188 and Cannon 2018 #204, both 24 yo, small schools, 6.5+ ypr, fluid pass catchers in college (both average >20/season), but McGuire is a bigger version of RB (215 lb vs 185 lb Cannon). From what I could discern (some from here on FBG), McGuire was targeted more as a pass catching specialist than special team player. Cannon only played 3 season at VA State while McGuire hit 4 at Louisiana Lafayette. Maybe the touches McGuire has last year made an impression over what they have seen from Cannon? McGuire 88 carries for 315 yards (3.6) & 17 rec for 177 yards in 2017 compared to Cannon's 8 carries for 19 yards (2.4) & 5 rec for 75 yards this season...
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Thanks Birdie.
Looks like we don’t have much of a sample on Cannon yet. I’m stashing Elijah on IR regardless, but I won’t forget the fact that he had one nice run and 87 carries for 246 yards (2.82 ypc).
Birdie048
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
I was interested in stashing McGuire last season, but he didn't look great. Didn't look bad necessarily, but didn't flash like I had hoped. Their RB coach likes him, but you have to take that with a grain of salt.
The Jets might eventually have a productive offense, but it's very likely their future feature back isn't on the roster. That said, McGuire isn't a bad deep stash.
The Jets might eventually have a productive offense, but it's very likely their future feature back isn't on the roster. That said, McGuire isn't a bad deep stash.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
I stashed him too. He'll slide in the Powell role at the very least.
Elevencents
Footballguy
We shall see. McGuire has done nothing to impress, but I would concede the fact he has limited film.
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
The coaching staff raved about him fwiw. Could be coach-speak. He was compared to LT. Personally, I didn't see anything special last year.
Cannon was drafted for his speed (4.40 on his Pro Day) and ability to catch passes & run in open space.The Jets have no speed on offense. McGuire can catch, but he's an all-around RB. He ran a 4.53 in his workout. Cannon wasn't drafted because McGuire wasn't cutting it last year.
The Jets have always wanted to use 3 RBs, but McGwire got hurt and Cannon had his issues to begin the year. I would expect McGuire to rotate with Crowell like the way Powell was used, and Cannon to be used in passing down situations plus in mop-up time.
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Elevencents
Footballguy
At the least? Sorry, but if you think he is gonna produce at a Powell or better level you will most likely be disappointed. He is not a Powell+. And they will most likely use Crowell more now.
I may eat crow, but I think a lot of people are falling into the trap of thinking they’re on the receiving end of the next big thing. I have no shares of either, just trying to keep some reality here.
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Before the season, all reports suggested McGuire would fill the passing down role. Then he got hurt and Powell filled in. Wouldn’t be that surprising to see McGuire now fill that role
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KingPrawn
Footballguy
Kinda where I am at. Does he slide in to the Powell role? I know the coaches compared him to LT-like. And he put up relatively decent numbers last year in a limited appearance. But does Cannon just disappear? My fear is that McGuire and Cannon split the Powell role, rendering both useless. But if you have a wasted roster spot he's worth a stash as the RB pickings are slim this time of year.
Elevencents
Footballguy
This is more how I see it. I see him as Powell-. Similar role with less opportunity - so nothing that will ever crack your lineup.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
I think if you have a dead roster space you'd be foolish not to roster the guy. There isn't much out there on the waiver wire for RBs this time of year. You roster him for a couple of weeks to take a look. If he does nothing, you drop him for the next lottery ticket guy. If he takes over the Powell role you've got a decent flex guy. All depends on one's roster make up. I wouldn't drop anybody worth anything for him but to write him off completely would be unwise as well.
I see it as 60/40 that he hits. I'll certainly roster him for a couple of weeks as an audition, but Cannon has me concerned as well.
Elevencents
Footballguy
I would use that spot for Cannon, Mostert or Malcolm Brown.
I think if you have a dead roster space you'd be foolish not to roster the guy. There isn't much out there on the waiver wire for RBs this time of year. You roster him for a couple of weeks to take a look. If he does nothing, you drop him for the next lottery ticket guy. If he takes over the Powell role you've got a decent flex guy. All depends on one's roster make up. I wouldn't drop anybody worth anything for him but to write him off completely would be unwise as well.
I see it as 60/40 that he hits. I'll certainly roster him for a couple of weeks as an audition, but Cannon has me concerned as well.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Said nothing about his production. I just said he'll be in Powell's role. I see him with a potential of getting a few series as a 3-down back spelling Crowell.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
None of whom are in IR. At least in Yahoo, you can hide him there as long as you want if you don't plan on making other moves when he comes back. Maybe even trade him from the IR spot.
Would rather stash a receiver or someone like Penny. At least he was drafted in the first and they want him toet the ball more and he has ability to play all 3 downs.
A 6th round rb who will be in a 3 way committee on a bad offense is not such a worthwhile stash.Would need a significant injury to Crowell to be relevant.
A 6th round rb who will be in a 3 way committee on a bad offense is not such a worthwhile stash.Would need a significant injury to Crowell to be relevant.
Elevencents
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
Well, I dropped Was Def and picked up Cannon. I have McGuire on IR - replaced Ajayi (use MFL).
I think this would be a good demonstration of Cannon's potential since game script is likely to be "catch up". It will give them more looks at Cannon and help determine if Elijah's skill set has any value.
I am not willing to start him this week..... going with Barber @ Cinn.
I think this would be a good demonstration of Cannon's potential since game script is likely to be "catch up". It will give them more looks at Cannon and help determine if Elijah's skill set has any value.
I am not willing to start him this week..... going with Barber @ Cinn.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
So, we can't make an educated guess?rockaction said:
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Yeah, it's a little shady but everyone seems to take advantage of it in my league!Elevencents said:
rockaction
Footballguy
Sure. I re-thought the tone of my comment and realized it was inappropriate. But you shouldn't have been so declarative. We have no idea how this plays out. If anything, there's an entire thread devoted to the Jets RB situation.
eta* Some of us homers have put a lot of thought into the situation as it stands.
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Didn't think saying "I think" was being declarative but apologies if you took it as such. All that said, I doubt anyone here sees Eli as a league winner. I like him as a fun "why not" flex play if needed.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I could have misread your tone, definitions, everything. I shouldn't have been so curt or terse in my usage.
I just don't think we have any knowledge of this backfield right now, nor how it susses out.
On a personal note, I like your postings and find them helpful and am glad you participate. The knowledge gleaned is often the sum of all contributing knowledge.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
All good my friend and I echo the sentiment back to you as well. Always enjoy reading your posts
Here's to us all winning our leagues with the help we get on here!Elevencents
Footballguy
Getting all warm and fluffy in here! ?
As a side note, I hope neither pan out cuz I have Crowell in one league and think he could do wonders with 60% share ?
(What’s with the new smilies?)
As a side note, I hope neither pan out cuz I have Crowell in one league and think he could do wonders with 60% share ?
(What’s with the new smilies?)
KingPrawn
Footballguy
I think this weeks game will be telling. If Cannon does well I think you see cannon and McGuire split Powell's work. If Cannon doesn't do well the job is wide open for McGuire. Question is, do you want to get ahead of the curve just in case or take your chances on the waiver wire next week?
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree in all respects. I think warm and fluffy beats cold and mean and it's how we gain knowledge from each other to win leegs.
I have Crowell rostered in my main league and in another. Couldn't agree more, though the Jets staff seems to think RBBC is = JAG.
Crowell can be cut this year with a minimal cap hit. Like $2M, even considering his sizable contract. So it's up for grabs.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Oh 100%. I’m all for warm and fluffy.
And also 100% agree on Jets loving the RBBC. It seems to be working for them so hard to argue. Not gonna lie tho, I’m excited to see what this Cannon kid can do with more opportunities.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
You can deduce though.rockaction said:
Their coaching staff stated that they would use all three in a RBBC.
When the Jets had 3 RBs last year, all three played (annoying at it was to the rest of us). It was a 39%/35%/26% split so the coaching staff didn't lie.
Since last season, their OC left, but was replaced by Bates who was already on the staff and still under the same Head Coach.
The Jets RB coach raved about McGuire. Somehow he compared his skillset to LT. https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/15/jets-rb-coach-compares-elijah-mcguire-to-ladainian-tomlinson/
After McGuire broke his foot, the Jets stated that he would be back this season. He's been practicing for 2 weeks and should be activated next week.
In game 1 of 2018, the Jets gave Powell and Crowell 40% of the snaps each and Cannon 20%. Cannon looked awful and got only 1 snap the next 4 weeks combined. He then got 3 snaps in week 6 and was forced to play 23 snaps last week after Powell got hurt. Not to mention that Crowell has been dinged up for the past couple of weeks.
Cannon is not an all-around RB like Crowell or McGuire. His skill-set is speed in open areas. They might scheme up some plays for him, but he's not very good in between the tackles. He needs space. His scouting reports stated that he wasn't a natural pass-catcher either.
I don't see him getting a lot of snaps once McGuire comes back. Some drawn up runs to the outside or catches in space. Maybe some mop up time. Now tomorrow might be a different story since McGuire isn't eligible to come back until the following week. They also brought up Henderson for tomorrow. Henderson is the one to watch. He could find himself into a 4-man rotation if the Jets want to have 4 active (which is what it seemed they would do before McGuire got hurt).
In the second half of the season, I would guess something like 45% to Crowell, 35-40% to McGuire, and 15%-20% for Cannon/Henderson. You're right though, no one knows right now for sure. I could be wrong. Just my guess.
rockaction
Footballguy
That's Evidence -- as in the course -- in a nutshell. Thanks, NYRAGE for sussing it out.
I'd add that Crow is the back, but I'm biased as heck, so...conflict of interest.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
He looked decent out there, a bit of a spark. Probably their best offensive option today, which is obviously not saying much at all.
I expect he’ll be getting a decent piece of the running game going forward, although still a split with Crowell like Powell did.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
considering starting him over Godwin, Josh Adam's, and Barber at flex.
I think he gets a lot of volume this week... any other thoughts? I need a Hail Mary and I feel like he might be it
I think he gets a lot of volume this week... any other thoughts? I need a Hail Mary and I feel like he might be it
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
The only ones in my lineup I could consider if over are Kenyan Drake and Golden Tate. Right now I have Drake in. If he can't go, or you guys convince me otherwise, I may play McGuire.
