Election Deniers Are Bad, Right? (1 Viewer)

[parasaurolophus]

Bernie Sanders is a self-described Socialist and even he doesn’t advocate for any of those textbook items.

Sanders describes himself as a "democratic socialist" and an admirer of aspects of social democracy, as practiced in the Scandinavian countries.

Correct. Socialist <> Democratic Socialist. Words have meaning and we can't have productive conversations when certain parties ignore those meanings and make up their own.

Calling a democratic socialist a socialist is perfectly fine.

"Sir, we are going to take your business away from you and control it, but don't worry you will still get to vote on what we do with your company and who we elect to run it"

It's like saying I am not a mechanic! I am a diesel mechanic.

I am not a football player! I am a running back!

 

[ekbeats]

Bernie Sanders is a self-described Socialist and even he doesn’t advocate for any of those textbook items.

Welcome back ekbeats.

Thank you Rubiobot - you have turned extremely nice the past 6 months.

 

[rockaction]

If a large segment of our population truly believes our elections are fraudulent then the US of A is over as we know it.


And if that is the case be prepared to take up arms against your neighbors because a civil war is right around the corner.

Remember when I wasn't so sanguine during a Fourth of July post of yours and you wondered why? A large segment of our population doesn't believe our elections were on the up-and-up last time. That's a self-reported fact that leaves my jaw dropped and worries me to no end.

I fear exactly what you fear. That's why I wasn't that cheerful in that thread. For all the flag-waving done, there's a vacuum of patriotism and simple belief in our government, and there are crumbling institutions all around and no social capital organizations that are replacing the old ones. We sit, atomized, bowling alone and taking comfort in our armaments should things go wrong.

It seems like a recipe for disaster.

But I think we'll get through it. We always seem to. This is a dark time in the world. Authoritarianism is on the rise, prices and commodities rising and scarce, basic courtesy and respect towards others is in short supply.

It reminds me of the pre-Reagan years. Hopefully we have a unifying politician and political class that sees the good in America and is able to take the divisions and broadly appeal to a large segment of America. But I don't see that coming down the pike. I think we're in for four to eight more years of divisiveness and pettiness. That the center holds and anarchy is not loosed upon the world is all I pray for.

 

[dickey moe]

He wants to move us further left than we are within the capitalist system, as djmich so eloquently put it about Warren upthread. But in his writings, and in his own description of himself, he calls himself a "socialist."

I wrote this once to proninja and he finally came around. He's been an academic since the sixties. He knows what the word order means. For God's sake, how are we having this debate? This is so obtuse.

Him and AOC are democratic socialists, self-described. The seek the public ownership of the economy, including nationalizing almost all sectors of it. They set prices, wages, and control the means of production.

It's socialism.

Unbelievable that they're still splitting hairs over this. If they think socialism is great, they should own it. Why do they care what capitalists think anyways?

 

[ZADO]

without public confidence in elections, there’s really no republic

COLORADO SECRETARY OF STATE ACCIDENTALLY SENT 30,000 VOTER REGISTRATION POSTCARDS TO NONCITIZENS​

 

[ekbeats]

If a large segment of our population truly believes our elections are fraudulent then the US of A is over as we know it.


And if that is the case be prepared to take up arms against your neighbors because a civil war is right around the corner.

Remember when I wasn't so sanguine during a Fourth of July post of yours and you wondered why? A large segment of our population doesn't believe our elections were on the up-and-up last time. That's a self-reported fact that leaves my jaw dropped and worries me to no end.

I fear exactly what you fear. That's why I wasn't that cheerful in that thread. For all the flag-waving done, there's a vacuum of patriotism and simple belief in our government, and there are crumbling institutions all around and no social capital organizations that are replacing the old ones. We sit, atomized, bowling alone and taking comfort in our armaments should things go wrong.

It seems like a recipe for disaster.

But I think we'll get through it. We always seem to. This is a dark time in the world. Authoritarianism is on the rise, prices and commodities rising and scarce, basic courtesy and respect towards others is in short supply.

It reminds me of the pre-Reagan years. Hopefully we have a unifying politician and political class that sees the good in America and is able to take the divisions and broadly appeal to a large segment of America. But I don't see that coming down the pike. I think we're in for four to eight more years of divisiveness and pettiness. That the center holds and anarchy is not loosed upon the world is all I pray for.

See, this is why I hold you in such high esteem. Great post. Wish we had the chance to meet up before you moved to Cali.

 

[TheMagus]

This seems to settle the matter.

No. You'd be amazed. Watch them defend Sanders. Or, I should say, the journalist's view of Sanders. Because that's who shaped this whole debate. Back in 2016, when he looked like he might win, the Democratic establishment sent their journo henchmen to the fore to tell everybody that Bernie was just a good ol' social democrat. It worked.

This doesn't really align with the narrative that the Democratic establishment iced him out and put all their support behind Hillary and tried to railroad him. I do not think the DNC is a big Bernie fan because he has been seriously effing up the primaries for at least the last two election cycles.

For the record, I am a blue-blooded liberal/Democrat to the core and I do believe that Bernie is a socialist. And I dislike/hate him more than any other politician I can think of. I think he is the reason Trump won in 2016. I think he is the reason Biden was the nominee in 2020 (which I am also really not happy with). He won't even officially associate himself with the party but we get to all be broad brushed with Bernie's crazy populist and socialist ideals. It's infuriating.

The only thing I care about for 2024 is Bernie not running. He's gotta be 90 years old at this point and we need to be over him. He's not even that intriguing - he just says the same crap over and over again in a really emotionally unstable manner "mililtary industrial complex" "big pharma' - just shut up and go play golf and stop destroying the party that you don't even want to be a part of unless it's a presidential election cycle.

I also think he is sympathetic to Russia.

And also I think Elizabeth Warren is a brilliant woman who is a progressive (which is not the same as socialist), who I agree with on some things but not others, and should not be lumped into the same bucket.

 

[sho nuff]

without public confidence in elections, there’s really no republic

COLORADO SECRETARY OF STATE ACCIDENTALLY SENT 30,000 VOTER REGISTRATION POSTCARDS TO NONCITIZENS​

Not actual registrations…but postcards semt out encouraging them to register to vote.
What do you think that really accomplishes?

 

[rockaction]

See, this is why I hold you in such high esteem. Great post. Wish we had the chance to meet up before you moved to Cali.

Thanks, ekbeats. Likewise.

 

[SoBeDad]

If a large segment of our population truly believes our elections are fraudulent then the US of A is over as we know it.


And if that is the case be prepared to take up arms against your neighbors because a civil war is right around the corner.

Unemployment is low, there is no time for to take part in a revolution. To appease election deniers, most red states have put additional safeguards in place. I don't see any civil war on the horizon.

 

[AAABatteries]

I do understand that. The majority of American Voting Citizens should determine who the President (who by the way chooses Supreme Court Justices who make laws that do affect me) is. I live in California, someone who lives in Wyoming's vote is more valuable than mine because of the Electoral College. Is that fair?

good point - cities would always control Supreme Court judges being appointed ... another reason to have Electoral College

WY isn't as valuable as CA when it comes to voting .... you and I should be able to agree on that. Does a single vote in WY have a little more weight? Yes it does. Should it? Well without it, there would never be a chance for WY voters to really make any difference at all because LA alone has a population of almost 4 million people, WY as an entire state has 581,000

See how WY don't matter if its popular vote only ? the Electoral College gives weight, absolutely it does .......... and in rare elections it does/can matter. GW in 2000 right ? Almost always EC flows right along with popular voting. But just knowing that your votes/state DOES matter. .... matters

Ummmm.......wtf????

Senate confirms nominations from the president. Every state has two senators. That has nothing to do with the EC. In terms of SC picks, that process doesnt change.

Yea, but the big cities in the red states will determine who is senator and therefore we would no longer have any republican senators...Oh wait

Do they? I still consider Georgia a red state and if they had sensible Republican candidates they would have 2 Republican Senators. Atlanta definitely leans Democrat but can‘t overcome how the rest of the state votes. The fact that the Senate race is close in any way considering the baggage Walker has proves my point.

The upcoming election will be a good litmus test on whether Georgia has truly turned purple or if it's still red. The congressional districts are almost all very solid red or blue but the governorship, Senate seats and POTUS are very close.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

 

[Godsbrother]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

LOL. Yes Hillary is an election denier . . . but it's all Trump's fault!

 

[Godsbrother]

LOL. Yes Hillary is an election denier . . . but it's all Trump's fault!

Boy I hate being in a situation where I am sticking up for Hillary but in this case she isn't denying anything. She's only saying what some in the the Republican party are saying publicly.

 

[Stealthycat]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

I expect anyone on the left here to absolutely hammer Hillary for undermining our election integrity and threatening our "democracy"

treat her like they're treated Trump for the past 2 years

3,2,1 ............ and go

 

[knowledge dropper]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

I think this thread has proven this was long before BUT TRUMP!

 

[The Commish]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

This sort of behavior is frowned upon now?

 

[Godsbrother]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

I think this thread has proven this was long before BUT TRUMP!

Yeah I don't recall Hillary asking election officials to find votes, asking the VP to not certify the election, coming up with a slate fake electors or organizing a mob to attack the US Capitol during the election certification.

In any case you were the one that was claiming Hillary is "denying" the 2024 election. I was just pointing out the fact that what she was talking about in that tweet is what some in the Republican party are planning. They aren't being coy about it, they are saying it in plain English.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

JFC an election denier denier.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

I think this thread has proven this was long before BUT TRUMP!

Yeah I don't recall Hillary asking election officials to find votes, asking the VP to not certify the election, coming up with a slate fake electors or organizing a mob to attack the US Capitol during the election certification.

In any case you were the one that was claiming Hillary is "denying" the 2024 election. I was just pointing out the fact that what she was talking about in that tweet is what some in the Republican party are planning. They aren't being coy about it, they are saying it in plain English.

She created the Russia hoax instead.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

 

[Godsbrother]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

I think this thread has proven this was long before BUT TRUMP!

Yeah I don't recall Hillary asking election officials to find votes, asking the VP to not certify the election, coming up with a slate fake electors or organizing a mob to attack the US Capitol during the election certification.

In any case you were the one that was claiming Hillary is "denying" the 2024 election. I was just pointing out the fact that what she was talking about in that tweet is what some in the Republican party are planning. They aren't being coy about it, they are saying it in plain English.

She created the Russia hoax instead.

Still not even close to what Trump did but let's address what she said in the tweet.

Are you cool with a governor having the ability to de-certify the results of the presidential election in their state without having proof that would hold up in court?

 

[Godsbrother]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

I do not believe for a minute that we would have had a violent mob attack the US Capitol in an attempt to decertify the election. That's only happened once and it was all instigated by the former president.

 

[Captain Cranks]

False Equivalence: This is not equal to that

I'm just going to leave this here in case anyone's interested in overcoming their cognitive biases.

"Why are we susceptible to false equivalence? Because it simplifies our thinking. There are less critical thinking skills needed when we accept two things as equal, rather than unequal. In addition, when someone (especially a person in authority) tells us two things are equivalent, we tend to believe it more due to his or her inherent power. How do you fight back against false equivalence? First, educate yourself on the different forms it takes so you can recognize it. Next, call it out when you see it. Distance yourself from the source of the false equivalence. The more we educate others about this cognitive bias, and hold those who use false equivalence accountable, the less impact it may make on an unsuspecting public."

 

[knowledge dropper]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

I think this thread has proven this was long before BUT TRUMP!

Yeah I don't recall Hillary asking election officials to find votes, asking the VP to not certify the election, coming up with a slate fake electors or organizing a mob to attack the US Capitol during the election certification.

In any case you were the one that was claiming Hillary is "denying" the 2024 election. I was just pointing out the fact that what she was talking about in that tweet is what some in the Republican party are planning. They aren't being coy about it, they are saying it in plain English.

She created the Russia hoax instead.

Still not even close to what Trump did but let's address what she said in the tweet.

Are you cool with a governor having the ability to de-certify the results of the presidential election in their state without having proof that would hold up in court?

If the Governor has the facts to justify decertification, I 100% agree.

 

[Godsbrother]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Well Trump DID try to steal the last election and resorted to violence when he couldn't get state election officials and the VP to go along with it. Take a gander at this quote from Doug Mastriano, the GOP candidate for governor in PA:

“I get to appoint the secretary of the state, who’s delegated to…making corrections to elections, the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen…” There is zero doubt that had Mastriano been in office in 2020 he would have decertified the results in the counties where Trump lost and declare Trump the winner of PA, despite having no proof of fraud.

I don't agree with Hillary very often but what she is saying here is accurate.

This is what Trump has brought us to: if you can't win the election legitimately just claim that the election was stolen. It doesn't matter if you don't have any evidence and can't back up your claims in court, there will be millions of gullible people that will believe you and plenty of corrupt politicians to go along with you.

This should concern every American regardless of party. If you want to overturn the results of an election you should have to prove there is fraud, not just "decertify with a stroke of a pen". Surely you can see this , right?

I think this thread has proven this was long before BUT TRUMP!

Yeah I don't recall Hillary asking election officials to find votes, asking the VP to not certify the election, coming up with a slate fake electors or organizing a mob to attack the US Capitol during the election certification.

In any case you were the one that was claiming Hillary is "denying" the 2024 election. I was just pointing out the fact that what she was talking about in that tweet is what some in the Republican party are planning. They aren't being coy about it, they are saying it in plain English.

She created the Russia hoax instead.

Still not even close to what Trump did but let's address what she said in the tweet.

Are you cool with a governor having the ability to de-certify the results of the presidential election in their state without having proof that would hold up in court?

If the Governor has the facts to justify decertification, I 100% agree.

I am glad that you agree there must be provable facts and not just theories without evidence.

 

[The Commish]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

I think the left would have pissed and moaned, filed some lawsuits and then pissed and moaned some more if they lost. They'd then have conceded and moved on. Why do I think that? Because that's what they've done every single time prior to this. That's where the smart money would have been.

 

[Amused to Death]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

I think the left would have pissed and moaned, filed some lawsuits and then pissed and moaned some more if they lost. They'd then have conceded and moved on. Why do I think that? Because that's what they've done every single time prior to this. That's where the smart money would have been.

Exactly. I really don't know what the purpose of the this thread was. I know Joe just kept repeating the question if we've heard those quotes before but I don't know what that's supposed to prove, both sides? Nothing the Dems have ever done comes close to the damage the GOP has done since the 2020 election. Nothing. And I think it really does a disservice to try to equate them.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

I think the left would have pissed and moaned, filed some lawsuits and then pissed and moaned some more if they lost. They'd then have conceded and moved on. Why do I think that? Because that's what they've done every single time prior to this. That's where the smart money would have been.

I disagree. The summer of 2020 Antifa/BLM riots changed all that. Heck, they rioted right outside the White House.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

This sort of behavior is frowned upon now?

Is it? Was it frowned upon when the thread was started?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Some people really have memory holed 2016.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Yet another thread that will age like milk after the mid terms.

 

[Zow]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

There would have been some whiny protests (like when Trump when the first time and many were collectively embarrassed and many were worried that Roe v. Wade would be impacted) but that's about it.

I genuinely don't see something as bad as 1/6 happening.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I do not believe for a minute that we would have had a violent mob attack the US Capitol in an attempt to decertify the election.

Did you put wheels on the goal posts?

 

[Zow]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

I think the left would have pissed and moaned, filed some lawsuits and then pissed and moaned some more if they lost. They'd then have conceded and moved on. Why do I think that? Because that's what they've done every single time prior to this. That's where the smart money would have been.

I disagree. The summer of 2020 Antifa/BLM riots changed all that. Heck, they rioted right outside the White House.

That didn't have anything to do with the presidential election.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I genuinely don't see something as bad as 1/6 happening.

Ye best start believing in the party of election deniers missy, Yer in one!

 

[The Commish]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

This sort of behavior is frowned upon now?

Is it? Was it frowned upon when the thread was started?

By some of us sure.....way before this thread being started.

 

[The Commish]

That didn't have anything to do with the presidential election.

Look at the incredible amount of heavy lifting the term "denier" is doing in this thread and it helps with perspective. I mean....we are at the point where people are "denying" things that might or might not even happen in the future

 

[Godsbrother]

I do not believe for a minute that we would have had a violent mob attack the US Capitol in an attempt to decertify the election.

Did you put wheels on the goal posts?

I think a violent uprising against Congress in an attempt to halt the presidential election certification is good place to set the goal posts in concrete.

 

[Amused to Death]

I do not believe for a minute that we would have had a violent mob attack the US Capitol in an attempt to decertify the election.

Did you put wheels on the goal posts?

I think a violent uprising against Congress in an attempt to halt the presidential election certification is good place to set the goal posts in concrete.

Or run candidates that still push the "stolen election" lie and brag they can change election results if they wish.

Kari Lake just may get elected in AZ. That should worry everyone.

 

[Zow]

Hillary is already fanning the flames for an election in 2 years

Hillary denying an election 24 months in the future

Okay, I watched the clip.

Look, it's a bit complex and technical from an analysis standpoint, and I don't agree with her hyperbolic use of the term "steal," but what she's actually saying and warning against is entirely distinguishable from the ******** Trump/D'Souza post-election nonsense.

What she is addressing is real. She's identifying that there is a movement within the GOP to pass legislation that she believes SCOTUS may uphold whereby state legislatures can decertify their own respective state votes. In essence, this give the state legislature unilateral ability to significantly impact the presidential. Should this happen as she warns, such wouldn't be "literal stealing" as she hyperbolically claims, but it would be a likely lawful yet underhanded ploy (I'd liken it to what happened with McConnell and Garland) for the GOP to control the election.

Hillary's comments are not akin to Trump's and his follower's BS "election denying" for the following reasons:
- the GOP may be lawful where Trump's "steal" claim is based on alleged unlawful acts;
- this is a pre-election worry about an actual process versus post-election whining and just denying the elections results without good cause
- simply put, Hillary isn't "denying" that a GOP win may happen in 2024, she's much more poignantly describing a political/legal tactic the GOP may employ that could work in swinging the 2024 election.

Apples and oranges here and a poor attempt to equate Hillary* with Trump.


*I find Hillary horribly unlikeable and didn't vote for her. But her clip, stripped of its hyperbolic gloss (likely designed to reach voters who aren't poli sci or law professors), has a real point.

 

[Zow]

I do not believe for a minute that we would have had a violent mob attack the US Capitol in an attempt to decertify the election.

Did you put wheels on the goal posts?

I think a violent uprising against Congress in an attempt to halt the presidential election certification is good place to set the goal posts in concrete.

Or run candidates that still push the "stolen election" lie and brag they can change election results if they wish.

Kari Lake just may get elected in AZ. That should worry everyone.

You're telling me.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Kari Lake just may get elected in AZ. That should worry everyone.

Why?

 

[Zow]

I genuinely don't see something as bad as 1/6 happening.

Ye best start believing in the party of election deniers missy, Yer in one!

I'm a registered Republican but okay.

 

[Amused to Death]

Kari Lake just may get elected in AZ. That should worry everyone.

Why?

She said she would not have certified Biden's win in AZ if she was governor. Without evidence, she would have held up the certification. Now imagine the Dem candidate fairly wins AZ in 2024 and she refuses to certify it. That should worry everyone if one person with power refuses to accept the will of the people without evidence.

 

[Zow]

Kari Lake just may get elected in AZ. That should worry everyone.

Why?

She's a news anchor with no real education and training in law and politics and she espouses grossly right-wing policy points and takes extreme positions on issues for dumb reasons (she opposed the wildly favorable "Red for Ed" in 2018 because she stupidly thought it legalized pot - when we had a whole separate proposition on that issue). She also appears to be a panderer as she had previously donated to the Democrats, supported Kerry, etc. but understood that to have a chance in AZ politics its wisest to go deep red.

Basically, she's a female Trump.

I get her popularity though as her social media and public positions on issues currently align with the AZ GOP chairwoman, Kelli Ward.

 

[The General]

Don and MAGA are just attempting to put the pieces in place to finish what he couldn’t do in 2020. Running mate who will do whatever he asks, state legislatures that would do what he asks, and this legislation that he feels the SC will allow (no clue what this is about to be honest).

Would dong all this make him to extreme to win? I‘d like to think so but this Lake woman seems to be on board. The guy is Pennsylvania who looks like he is going to lose certainly would.

Scary stuff.

 

[(HULK)]

Honest question

Had Trump’s Administration done a better job at election security in 2020 and he was still President, does anyone think the left would not have rioted much worse than the 187 minute event at the Capitol?

This feels like a backdoor way of saying that Trump won and Biden only got in due to fraud. This is not the case. If Trump's administration had done a better job at election security, Biden would still be president. So, no, the left would not have rioted.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I genuinely don't see something as bad as 1/6 happening.

Ye best start believing in the party of election deniers missy, Yer in one!

I'm a registered Republican but okay.

No worries. Just watched the original Pirates and was having a little fun.