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WR Keon Coleman, BUF (4 Viewers)

Soulfly3 said:
A huge, huge part of football is winning off the line, isn't it?
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Winning off the line when you get a stutter step, or an inside release, or an outside release, or against a press, or when going in motion. I have yet to see an NFL WR get down in a sprinter's stance and the NFL DB line up right next to him in a sprinter's stance and they both run in a straight line unimpeded.
 
Soulfly3 said:
A huge, huge part of football is winning off the line, isn't it?
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How many times do players line up in a sprinters start?

Moreover - good thing these guys have 3-4 years of tape to see how they get off the line with actual coverage. But no, lets get super hyped for 1 or 2 sprinting starts....
 
massraider said:
Soulfly3 said:
No, I agree. But is he slow off the line because of the stance or because he's just generally slow off the line?
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I never liked the way they have them line up, clearly form has a lot to do with it. Some guys are better than others.

Just an antiquated thing they have not changed because tradition.

I think the issues still remain as to whether he can get open in the NFL, which would still be true if he ran a 4.4.

It actually meant a little bit more to me how good he was in the guantlet, meantime Troy Franklin looked like a drunk teenage deer wearing high heels.
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This is the key point right here. How will he fair when hes battling NFL corners? I think this guy has a lot of talents and he could keep improving over the next couple years - if he keeps working on his routes.

The vertical is solid, the broad jump is very good and you can see the athleticism and power he has. How are the routes and how will that translate in the NFL?
 
Big Nate said:
massraider said:
Soulfly3 said:
No, I agree. But is he slow off the line because of the stance or because he's just generally slow off the line?
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I never liked the way they have them line up, clearly form has a lot to do with it. Some guys are better than others.

Just an antiquated thing they have not changed because tradition.

I think the issues still remain as to whether he can get open in the NFL, which would still be true if he ran a 4.4.

It actually meant a little bit more to me how good he was in the guantlet, meantime Troy Franklin looked like a drunk teenage deer wearing high heels.
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This is the key point right here. How will he fair when hes battling NFL corners? I think this guy has a lot of talents and he could keep improving over the next couple years - if he keeps working on his routes.

The vertical is solid, the broad jump is very good and you can see the athleticism and power he has. How are the routes and how will that translate in the NFL?
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That's the big question. He doesn't really win with separation created by sharp routes. Lots of contested catches due to strong hands and his size.
 
Wigglytuff's Gruff said:
At his size that is not something to be ignored. He'll be a good value pick for someone at the back of the 1st/early 2nd I think.
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I dunno where he ends up.

This is a bigger concept than Coleman, but just the order of teams, what they want in a WR, who they like, and the jumble of talent at WR, I think it's a fools errand to guess the spot for any of these WRs, after the big 3.

3rd round is gonna have WRs that got mocked, at some point, in the 1st round.
 
a WR that cant separate in college, and wins on contested balls isn't the type of guy i want at the next level.

It's the main reason ive been out all along... But we'll see. He's got a lot of room to grow and can get better. I might miss out on a future stud, but my buy price almost guarantees i wont own him anywhere
 
I was surprised to see him get so much hate in this thread. I view him as a (much slower) Julio Jones but whenever I watched FSU play he jumped off the screen as a man amongst boys. You know where separation doesn't matter? The redzone. This guy is a threat to score 10+ touchdowns immediately catching fades over people.

How many teams would he go to and immediately be their best RZ threat? There are plenty of comparisons in the league, Mike Williams ran a 4.54 for instance and has been plenty fantasy viable. He's a throwback, but he reminds me of Sidney Rice (Minnesota) as well, a rich man's Sidney Rice. Do you guys remember Plaxico Burress? He ran a 4.59 as well. The mold is there, if you pair him with a guy like Matthew Stafford or Josh Allen who aren't afraid to throw into coverage, he is the kind of guy who when he is covered, he's open. Kenny Golladay is another good comp (4.5 40, 6,4).



Targetting him in all my dynasty drafts. I could be wrong, but based on the hate I am seeing it won't cost me much to find out. If he was coming out 20 years ago, he'd be a Top 5 pick. 6 ft 4 receiver running a 4.61 used to be good. When you add in the fact he's one of those players who is "faster" in pads, I really like him. I think he's much closer to a 4.5 forty guy on the field.


He's going to be a nightmare for smaller corners and a smart OC will move him around like you would a TE mismatch.
 
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Josh Norris
whose idea was it to make 6'3/213 lbs Keon Coleman FSU's screen guy?

Had 20 screen targets last season. No other WR had more than 5.
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Keon Coleman's contested catch numbers were really poor on paper last season

Stemmed from a rough start, IMO

Games 2, 3, 4 (SoMiss, BC, Clemson), he saw 10 contested targets.

Only won 1. And actually, those opps were more winnable than forced targets later in the season.
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I think Coleman has perhaps had the pendulum swing too far on him, to where he's so overrated, he's actually underrated. I think he's an NFL #2 WR, who could have some big slot value for a creative play caller.
 
Tom Pelissero
Who could be the surprise names that sneak into the bottom of Round 1 when the 2024 NFL Draft kicks off Thursday night? My annual exercise is here:
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One name to watch: Florida State WR Keon Coleman, who quietly was among the busiest players during the pre-draft process with a dozen visits, plus a couple private team workouts.
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I may be sleeping on Coleman and may end up regretting it, but in my mind being drafted by the Bills pushes other players I am high on further down to possibly draft.
 
Beane went on record saying he made a mistake not valuing Nacua enough last year.

Puka was fastest at the gauntlet at the combine. Who was fastest this year? You guessed it.

Buy I agree with above comments. How are the Bills going to use him? They have Kincaid, and even Shakir who had the highest catch rate per target of any WR in the back half last year (or last “X” games, can’t remember the exact stat).
 
The Duff Man said:
How are the Bills going to use him? They have Kincaid,
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That's the big question. If they try and just line him up outside and ask him to beat CB's outside he'll probably struggle.

But hearing some Michael Thomas model talk about his usage and that's someone he had some comps with before the draft. That actually makes a lot of sense and gets me a little excited. Keep in mind Joe Brady was a Saints offensive assistant during Thomas second and third season.

Now how that works with Kincaid and to lesser extent Shakir I don't know, I'd have liked this more for Coleman if they had better outside receiver threats, seems like their best receivers all do their best work in similar parts of the field.
 
I wasn't a huge Coleman guy before the draft. Landing spot is nice, but the separation issues concern me.

He'll probably go higiher than I'm willing to pay for him.
 
jm192 said:
I wasn't a huge Coleman guy before the draft. Landing spot is nice, but the separation issues concern me.

He'll probably go higiher than I'm willing to pay for him.
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I have the same thoughts. Luckily I won't be making any dynasty decisions until August.

The next 4 months should give us a little more intel on how he's going to be used and how he's fairing against NFL DBs/coverage.
 
I think this is great for Josh Allen. Coleman can be what they wanted Gabe Davis to be. There are a lot of targets available in this offense. There is a need for a WR1. I'm really surprised more people aren't in on Coleman in BUF.

For those who have done rookie drafts - where do you see Coleman going?
 
Big Nate said:
I think this is great for Josh Allen. Coleman can be what they wanted Gabe Davis to be. There are a lot of targets available in this offense. There is a need for a WR1. I'm really surprised more people aren't in on Coleman in BUF.

For those who have done rookie drafts - where do you see Coleman going?
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I don't think there necessarily needs to be an WR1, as Kincaid may very well be the de factor WR1. While there are certainly a lot more targets to be had with the departure of Diggs and Davis, Samuel will get a fair amount and the team may continue to be more balanced under Joe Brady. What Coleman can hopefully do is be a consistent down the field stretcher.
 
zamboni said:
Big Nate said:
I think this is great for Josh Allen. Coleman can be what they wanted Gabe Davis to be. There are a lot of targets available in this offense. There is a need for a WR1. I'm really surprised more people aren't in on Coleman in BUF.

For those who have done rookie drafts - where do you see Coleman going?
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I don't think there necessarily needs to be an WR1, as Kincaid may very well be the de factor WR1. While there are certainly a lot more targets to be had with the departure of Diggs and Davis, Samuel will get a fair amount and the team may continue to be more balanced under Joe Brady. What Coleman can hopefully do is be a consistent down the field stretcher.
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I really like Kincaid but was confused why he didn't get more usage. He was only at 55% or so the last part of the season. I'm assuming that is going up but who knows. BUF offense looked like it was struggling and the one bright light was Kincaid. They could have/should have peppered him with targets but they didn't. I assume his role will grow but there are tons of targets available in this offense with Allen throwing 575 times a year.
 
Big Nate said:
zamboni said:
Big Nate said:
I think this is great for Josh Allen. Coleman can be what they wanted Gabe Davis to be. There are a lot of targets available in this offense. There is a need for a WR1. I'm really surprised more people aren't in on Coleman in BUF.

For those who have done rookie drafts - where do you see Coleman going?
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I don't think there necessarily needs to be an WR1, as Kincaid may very well be the de factor WR1. While there are certainly a lot more targets to be had with the departure of Diggs and Davis, Samuel will get a fair amount and the team may continue to be more balanced under Joe Brady. What Coleman can hopefully do is be a consistent down the field stretcher.
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I really like Kincaid but was confused why he didn't get more usage. He was only at 55% or so the last part of the season. I'm assuming that is going up but who knows. BUF offense looked like it was struggling and the one bright light was Kincaid. They could have/should have peppered him with targets but they didn't. I assume his role will grow but there are tons of targets available in this offense with Allen throwing 575 times a year.
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Have to remember that he was a rookie TE and also had to learn the intricacies of the position. Very few guys are LaPorta out of the gate. By many accounts, Kincaid will be one of - if not the - featured passing game option, with Knox likely to be more of the blocker. But who knows, if Coleman is all that, maybe Kincaid's role stays the same.
 
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