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Ben Tate- This season aside, what's his dynasty value? (5 Viewers)
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Brown has a nice burst to the hole, but apart from that he's not a very talented back. He's been in the league for five years with minimal competition for touches and he's never able to assert himself as "the guy" for the Colts. Kinda says it all. He's more dynamic than Shonn Greene, but Greene brings more power and can handle a heavy workload. He has far more career rushing yards than Brown and is probably the better overall RB.Faust said:
If Tennessee were to sign Brown then I would envision that becoming a truly ugly Lamar Miller/Daniel Thomas style RBBC where neither player has real value.
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Ben Tate - RB - Texans
Free agent Ben Tate will sign with Cleveland today if he passes his physical.
The proposed contract is performance-based, meaning Tate will have to stay on the field to get paid. That has been a problem for Tate in his career. He already has two IR stints in four years and struggled through several nagging injuries in 2013. When healthy, Tate has the talent to make a difference in an improving Browns' offense. He is on the RB2 radar for 2014.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
Mar 15 - 9:29 AM
Free agent Ben Tate will sign with Cleveland today if he passes his physical.
The proposed contract is performance-based, meaning Tate will have to stay on the field to get paid. That has been a problem for Tate in his career. He already has two IR stints in four years and struggled through several nagging injuries in 2013. When healthy, Tate has the talent to make a difference in an improving Browns' offense. He is on the RB2 radar for 2014.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
Mar 15 - 9:29 AM
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Ben Tate - RB - Browns
Browns agreed to terms with RB Ben Tate, formerly of the Texans, on a two-year contract.
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Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 15 - 2:38 PM
Browns agreed to terms with RB Ben Tate, formerly of the Texans, on a two-year contract.
Related: Texans
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 15 - 2:38 PM
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Ben Tate - RB - Browns
Browns agreed to terms with RB Ben Tate, formerly of the Texans, on a two-year contract.
Tate was the best running back on the market, but the Browns were the only team to make a public run. Extremely injury prone through the first four years of his career, Tate's contract is expected to be incentive-based. Coming from the Texans' zone-blocking scheme, Tate is a fit for fellow ZBS OC Kyle Shanahan, but will have to prove he can stay on the field before anything else. Although Tate has impressive burst, his game lacks wiggle. He's a downhill runner who will need his blocking to click to have the breakout year many have long expected. Despite the question marks, Tate and his career 4.7 YPC have definite RB2 potential in 2014.
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Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 15 - 2:38 PM
Browns agreed to terms with RB Ben Tate, formerly of the Texans, on a two-year contract.
Tate was the best running back on the market, but the Browns were the only team to make a public run. Extremely injury prone through the first four years of his career, Tate's contract is expected to be incentive-based. Coming from the Texans' zone-blocking scheme, Tate is a fit for fellow ZBS OC Kyle Shanahan, but will have to prove he can stay on the field before anything else. Although Tate has impressive burst, his game lacks wiggle. He's a downhill runner who will need his blocking to click to have the breakout year many have long expected. Despite the question marks, Tate and his career 4.7 YPC have definite RB2 potential in 2014.
Related: Texans
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 15 - 2:38 PM
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With a 4-12 record
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ghostguy123
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Good one, lol.
However, get your digs in while ya can. We will be a much less easy target when we are a 500 team this year, because we are NOT taking a QB at pick 4. Instead we will draft a player who can actually help the team.
ShaHBucks
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Nah, I see the potential as well as the usual.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am not sure what rookie pick I would take/give for Tate right now. I can see easily giving a top 5 pick if you need a RB.
As for trading him away, other than a couple rookies, none of them look to be clearly more valuable.
Obviously some will be, but who?
As for trading him away, other than a couple rookies, none of them look to be clearly more valuable.
Obviously some will be, but who?
cstu
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Stealthycat
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I assume Tate is thinking he'll be a top RB and in the offseason sign a big extension ?
Adam Harstad
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It's a 2-year contract.
Honestly, 2-3 year contracts for small salaries are the worst contracts you can possibly sign. If you play poorly, they'll cut you after a year. If you play well, they control your rights for another year or two on the cheap. It's all of the downsides of a 1-year contract paired with all of the downsides of a long-term contract. Or, alternately, it's none of the benefits of a long-term contract paired with none of the upside of a 1-year "prove it" deal. Look at Terrance Knighton in Denver- he came on like gangbusters and was one of their best defensive players to end the season, and Denver gets to keep him for another year for peanuts. If he'd been hitting the market right now, he'd be making a lot more money right now.
If Tate took a 2-year contract, it really shows just how soft the market for RBs was.
az_prof
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From a legal contract perspective this is all accurate. But I suspect that Tate may have been able to go elsewhere for more years and/or money, but he really wanted to play where he thinks he has the best chance of success (Zone block scheme and the featured guy). To me this is a good sign that he is serious about performing. The fact that the contract pays him a certain amount for each game played is also a good thing--it shows me that HE thinks he will be healthy and he doesn't think he has an injury prone issue. It also incentivizes him to play if he has a minor injury.
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Adam Harstad
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Sure, there are reasons for Tate to sign with Cleveland. It was pretty much the best possible landing spot on the market, and I think Tate will perform better than if he'd accepted a contract somewhere else. Doesn't change the fact that Ben Tate was the top available RB, and he just signed an absolute woofer of a contract. It's almost hard to fathom just how soft the market is for RBs right now. It's even harder to fathom that Trent Richardson managed to command a 1st round pick just a few months ago, because apparently the entire league is treating FA RBs as if they're equivalent in value to 4th receivers and utility backup OLs.
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Coeur de Lion
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They both got longer contracts, which at the crappy rate might actually be less desirable IMO. If Tate has two good years in Cleveland he'll get to test the market again -- and the market for RBs really can't get much worse than it is right now.
That said, the Donald Brown deal just looks like a dumb decision to me. Brown sucks, and Gerhart and Tate are at least serviceable, if not better.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
So? Just last offseason Steven Jackson was 29 and got 3 / $12 million, and Reggie Bush was 28 and got 4 / $16 million. If Tate thinks that he can perform in Cleveland, it's completely reasonable for him to prefer 2 years over 3 given the low $3.5 million / year he's getting. Who knows what the market will look like in 2016?
Shutout
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He landed exactly where a lot of people had him pegged many months ago to land and, still it's hard to get excited about.
He is probably just a it better in fantasy than what he was in houston and that's sad but realistic. For him to be effective and put up big fantasy numbers the browns have to stay on the field a lot and score better than they have. I can see them scoring more but they still aren't a team that is going to stay on the field a lot and that
S where Tate shines. He came in after Foster and wore on people. As a starter, he had some physicality but the difference between him as a starter and him as a 1-2 punch is noticeable.
Good player but not a big jump fantasy player.
He is probably just a it better in fantasy than what he was in houston and that's sad but realistic. For him to be effective and put up big fantasy numbers the browns have to stay on the field a lot and score better than they have. I can see them scoring more but they still aren't a team that is going to stay on the field a lot and that
S where Tate shines. He came in after Foster and wore on people. As a starter, he had some physicality but the difference between him as a starter and him as a 1-2 punch is noticeable.
Good player but not a big jump fantasy player.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If he manages to stay healthy, he will pretty easily produce in the top 15 for PPR RB with upside to be top 10.
Big if I realize since he hasnt shown a full season of health yet, let alone doing it while being a starter.
Big if I realize since he hasnt shown a full season of health yet, let alone doing it while being a starter.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Agree with this. The Browns ran for almost 1400 yards @ 4 YPC last year using a bunch of RBs that would barely play for a decent NCAA program. If Tate stays healthy, he's going to have a pretty good year.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Good post. But it is March and things can happen.
The Browns have already snagged Hawkins , who was really good in 2012 (hurt last year). There are a lot of ifs, but they can possibly get Watkins to go across from Gordon. They already have Cameron. Hoyer looked decent in a brief stretch last year.
Can't wait for September.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
I hope the negativity holds up. I'll be scooping him up everywhere.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
WHoever owns him probably has liked him a while, and I kinda doubt there will be anyone selling low after getting a starting job
Englishteacher
Footballguy
RB 7 2014. That's with missing 2 games and part of another. Book it. I'm out.
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