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Kerplunk! That sound was Tate's value hitting rock bottom. I am holding out hope he signs with the Colts and has some respectable production. Baring that scenario his value is barely above zero.
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Jack White
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saintfool
Dead sexy
He wanted and expected to be the starter somewhere. Cleveland can't name a starter if their future depended on it. He was frustrated and cut before he became a distraction. Likely Pettine thought they were doing him a favor. Vikes weren't going to keep him and he didn't want to be there. He's moving on to likely a considerably less bright NFL future. He has talent but can't seem to put it together. Ho-hum.
Houston let him walk, Cleveland cut him, the Vikings cut him before the end of the season even though they have no starter-quality RBs. All adds up to the guy isn't very good IMO.
Andrew74
Footballguy
Solid
Raider Nation
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Jerry Curl
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jtd13
Footballguy
Depends on the terms. If it's just for the remainder of this season then it's better than the steelers NOT wanting him.
grateful zed
Footballguy
Shutout
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I still rather Randle, Tate was terrible
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't waste my time with Tate. The player they currently have on their roster are better than this bum. He's available on the WW in several of my leagues and I could add him right now, but I'm not going to bother.
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Holy Schneikes
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I'd say wait and see what happens. Tate looked rough last year after he got hurt, but in his 1st game in Cleveland he had 22 for 124. Then he was injured, yes, again. He's worth a free add to me for sure. He's looked like an NFL talent far more recently than McFadden has, I know that.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
One blurb from the Rotoworld report - He then bounced to Minnesota and Pittsburgh, continuing to show zero burst.
That is telling.
Shutout
Footballguy
It is, but if you can pick him up for free, why not because the only thing that can happen is a +. He signs with Dallas and generates enough buzz you maybe trade him for something??
cr8f
Footballguy
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Like I said, he was injured in game 1, so there is a good chance he wasn't really in top form at the end of the year. I'm not at all saying that if Dallas signs him he's guaranteed to be "the man". I'm saying stranger things have happened. He has a career 4.4 and has really only looked BAD in one year - a year in which we know he had a bad knee.JohnnyU said:
Actually, I was wrong about the stats earlier after looking at it again. In his 1st week he went out early, but was at 6 for 41 for 6.8 YPC. His first game BACK he had 22 for 124, with no huge runs inflating the average, just good solid running. Maybe he re-tweaked the knee a bit after that? Who knows, but he sucked the rest of the year for sure.
Obviously, he's had trouble staying healthy. And you never want to bet heavily on a guy in that category. IF (and it's a big one), he's fully healthy and stay that way, AND he gets signed, he COULD be the most talented guy there. A lot has to go right there, but I'm in for a lottery ticket.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
They probably won't even sign him. I don't see him better than the RBs they currently have on their roster.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Tate sucked last year, but then, "better than Darren McFadden and Ryan Williams" isn't exactly a high bar to get over. Maybe the three of them can get some group deal on injury insurance if he signs...
No idea why Dallas hasn't kicked the tires on Chris Johnson -- yeah, he's a shell of his former self, but he at least has looked like he belongs in the NFL in the past three years. DMC and Williams not so much...
No idea why Dallas hasn't kicked the tires on Chris Johnson -- yeah, he's a shell of his former self, but he at least has looked like he belongs in the NFL in the past three years. DMC and Williams not so much...
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
You could easily be right.
But the current ostensible starters are:
Darren McFadden
Signed with a 200K guarantee. Could cut him today and no real risk to team.
Last time he broke 3.4 YPC was 4 years ago.
I put Tate above him in a heartbeat.
Then Randle is the other guy. Looked great last year with limited touches (behind an obviously amazing line). But here's an interesting note on Randle's brief career. In the 4 games he has carried the ball 10+ times he has averaged 2.54 yards per carry. No typo, 2.54. Despite his lofty overall YPC on 51 carries last year, I don't think that tells the whole story on this 3rd year 5th round guy. Oh, and by the way, he lost 2 fumbles on his 51 carries last year.
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JohnnyU
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I wouldn't worry so much about who he is competing against and just look at Tate himself. He doesn't appear to be very good.
Shutout
Footballguy
The funny thing about Tate is we all are experiencing the "recenct effect" with him because of a truly wasted 2014 but it was just literally a year ago when he had A)shown to very capable when he played (he did have injury questions but there was no doubt he could be a power RB in the NFl when he played) and B) was at that age where he was considered to be talented+low-mileage. Now, one year of bad injuries later, we perceive him as a broken down low-talent bum.
I'm sure the truth is in the middle: He's a low-mileage guy that has shown he can play but has legit concerns about durability.
If they signed him, I would not be one bit shocked to look up Week 5 and see him as a top 5 fantasy RB. The way he plays, he gets yards, he can score in the redzone, he can carry the ball 20+ times a game. I also wouldn't be shocked to see him as part of a slap-stick rbbc.
Like I said earlier today, I like his name out there in Dallas because he will create some value. I don't want to rely on him for my ff team if he's signed. he's not a savior, he's a "saver" (you send him to a buyer and get some value off something in players, picks, etc.
I'm sure the truth is in the middle: He's a low-mileage guy that has shown he can play but has legit concerns about durability.
If they signed him, I would not be one bit shocked to look up Week 5 and see him as a top 5 fantasy RB. The way he plays, he gets yards, he can score in the redzone, he can carry the ball 20+ times a game. I also wouldn't be shocked to see him as part of a slap-stick rbbc.
Like I said earlier today, I like his name out there in Dallas because he will create some value. I don't want to rely on him for my ff team if he's signed. he's not a savior, he's a "saver" (you send him to a buyer and get some value off something in players, picks, etc.
socrates
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Yeah, that is certainly not a good endorsement for Tate. While I have never been particularly sold on Tate as an NFL runner, the Dallas situation presents an opportunity, so any back getting a workout in Dallas will pique my interest. Dallas may continue to due their due diligence by kicking the tires on the likes of Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Pierre Thomas, Ahmad Bradshaw, Knowshon Moreno . . . (who am I forgetting?)
Who are potential trade targets for Dallas or possible camp casualties who could land with the Cowboys? Adrian Peterson? (Been discussed to death) Alfred Morris? (seems unlikely that Washington would part with Morris, especially within the NFC East) Bryce Brown? (Not endearing himself to the new coaching staff in Buf, but is there anything to see?) Ronnie Hillman? (perhaps a roster casualty?) Tre Mason? (intriguing, but with Zac Stacy already moved, Mason seems certain to remain in StL) Knile Davis? (I know, this is a pointless exercise, but is is May)
Dallas bringing in Felix Jones and Ben Tate shows Dallas is at least willing to look.
McFadden is far removed from looking like a quality back; Randle cannot stay out of trouble; Dunbar lacks the size of a feature back; Williams has never put it together in the NFL. I think we all agree the situation is at least intriguing.
Bob Magaw
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