Young 8
Footballguy
Michael could be another Stewart stucked for years behind DeAngel....I mean Marshawn Lynch.
Tate could be a starter in another team as soon as next season.
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Ben Tate- This season aside, what's his dynasty value? (6 Viewers)
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Tate could be a starter in another team as soon as next season.
Adam Harstad
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I deliberately picked two underwhelming examples. LaMont Jordan had one season where he was RB8 (in 14 games). He basically produced 100 points of VBD. Then he fell off the cliff and was never heard from again. If that's all I get out of Ben Tate, I'm still pretty happy with it.
Tate could wind up being a bust, too. There's a broad spectrum of talented backups who have gone on to second teams, I was just trying to give a middle ground between Michael Turner and Michael Bush. As it stands, he's a 25-year-old former 2nd round pick with a 5.0+ career ypc and some success in limited action in the featured role. That's a pretty valuable mix, one well worth gambling on. Doesn't mean it's not a gamble, just means it's a good one.
Young 8
Footballguy
These quotes always make me laugh.
"I want Ben to get his 12 to 15 in there"
Well, then give it to him...you're the coach, it's not like you have to ask permission to someone else.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
if Ben continues to perform this yr the Texans are going to tag him and not let him leave
There is nearly a 0% chance of this happening. The tag was 7 or 8 million this year, depending on which one was used. Unless they trade Foster, they can't afford to pay their backup RB that kind of money.
cstu
Footballguy
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
I see him having a Michael Turner type effect wherever he goes. As long as he's the lead back, he should be successful.
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
as a browns fan, i think tate on this team would be money next year, especially if they can improve at all at QB
o-line looked much better this past week than they did with richardson in there...not sure how much of that was health and how much was richardson's fault but it's worth keeping an eye on for the rest of this season. they have the kind of defense that makes coaches want to grind it out with the run, and they have enough threats in the passing game to make that the primary focus of defenses. their division is softer than in years past as well - could be a real nice situation all around.
o-line looked much better this past week than they did with richardson in there...not sure how much of that was health and how much was richardson's fault but it's worth keeping an eye on for the rest of this season. they have the kind of defense that makes coaches want to grind it out with the run, and they have enough threats in the passing game to make that the primary focus of defenses. their division is softer than in years past as well - could be a real nice situation all around.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
The Texans have shown they can make anyone successful in their system. IMO Tate's future in Houston was sealed when they signed Foster to a long term deal. They are already on the hook for too much money with Foster for them to re-sign Tate at his expected asking price.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ya never know what can happed the rest of this year. Maybe Foster completely dies, or gets hurt, and gets cut. Or FOster plays as usual and looks to be their RB next year, in which case tate is gone.
EIther way, Tate is starting somewhere next year, so once the offseason starts his value will quadruple.
EIther way, Tate is starting somewhere next year, so once the offseason starts his value will quadruple.
Ok, I'm done with this guy. He is nothing but an enigma. He has been a tease the last 2 years. I'm sick of him and his lying *** coach. Yeah, sure you want to keep Foster 'fresh' and ready for the playoffs and go to more of an 'even' split. Whatever, Kubiak. Foster just got 27 carries, while averaging 3.8 YPC this season. Tate is averaging 6.7 YPC and has looked explosive. Same old Texans just don't learn. No wonder they are 2-2.
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Adam Harstad
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Ben Tate is an unrestricted free agent with a 5+ career YPC who is poised to make serious bank this offseason as some team pays him big money to be a featured back, and you're done with him in dynasty because Kubiak keeps saying he wants to give Tate 12 carries and then actually only giving him 6?
jsharlan
Footballguy
Tate got benched for a horrible fumble. Otherwise he would have gotten his 12-15 touches. The running game has nothing to do with why the Texans are 2-2.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Now is the time to give up on Tate................................................is what I would say on opposite day.
Shutout
Footballguy
Given the likely outcomes, Tate's value is pretty strong.
-If he stays in Houston somehow that almost certainly means Foster is out (can't see that being the case barring a Hernandez type personal issue).
-If he goes somewhere, he is certainly picking a place where he is believing he is THE man. He is not going to go sign in Minny and backup ADP or even Denver and "compete" for a job.
With that ebing said, I don't think he is talented to a point to where we can say situaiton isn't a big factor. For instance, if he signs with the Niners and the Niners say "Gore is out and Lattimore just isnt going to be able to do it" then he skyrockets. If he goes to the Browns or the Jags, its different. So, overall, I think you really have to say "definite value" but watch it closely.
If you want him next year, you need to have him now or get him before the end of the season because once he is in that range where he is a FA, the rumors and people's imaginations will inflate his perceived value.
-If he stays in Houston somehow that almost certainly means Foster is out (can't see that being the case barring a Hernandez type personal issue).
-If he goes somewhere, he is certainly picking a place where he is believing he is THE man. He is not going to go sign in Minny and backup ADP or even Denver and "compete" for a job.
With that ebing said, I don't think he is talented to a point to where we can say situaiton isn't a big factor. For instance, if he signs with the Niners and the Niners say "Gore is out and Lattimore just isnt going to be able to do it" then he skyrockets. If he goes to the Browns or the Jags, its different. So, overall, I think you really have to say "definite value" but watch it closely.
If you want him next year, you need to have him now or get him before the end of the season because once he is in that range where he is a FA, the rumors and people's imaginations will inflate his perceived value.
Dentist
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how long did you think about that witty comment before posting? 10 sec? 30 sec? been sitting on it for days?
GeeYouknit
Footballguy
To try and compare his value with a trade offer, I offered Amendola straight up for Tate to a guy who could use a better WR4 (currently it is Roddy who isn't himself) and got denied almost instantly. When I thought of the idea to try and do that (2 weeks ago maybe?), I thought it would be close but apparently not.
Maybe I'll try again when Amendola strings together a couple nice games.
Maybe I'll try again when Amendola strings together a couple nice games.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
About as long as you did before responding it.Dentist said:
Righetti
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Adam Harstad
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Honestly, it's always depended on who signs him next year. He's not Adrian Peterson where he'll tear up any situation, but he's good enough to make some noise if an RB needy team decides to give him a shot. As an owner in a one of my dynasty leagues, I wish he was playing better right now... but it's always been a question of where he winds up. That hasn't really changed.
well yeah. but he's clearly not running as well as he has previously. whether it's the OL or injuries, it seems like his value is on the decline. Some teams may look through that and take a shot but it seems less likely that he'll be a stud rb next year - which i think some people were thinking at the beginning of the year - and more likely he ends up in a committee type role - which could still be valuable on the right team.
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az_prof
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Fantasy players tend to look at the short term. What have you done for me lately? I would hope that GMs look a broader spectrum of player performance. As Adam said, he is not elite. But he has been good. At 25, he is still young and there is no way that he is declining. I said this in another thread--but I like backs who can play when hurt. I suspect GMs do too. I doubt he is going to be handed a job without any competition, but I expect him to get an opportunity similar to what Ivory got. And I think he will do better with it than Ivory because he won't go down with a hamstring before the season even starts.
i hear you and i think his value is probably higher than some have it at. But you also have to look at the system and how good the line was when we was putting up such good #'s a couple years back. But if he gets back in the right system he should still have value. In dynasty leagues it could be a good time to buy if you can get him cheap.
Shutout
Footballguy
I agree with Adam. I think that situation is how it is. Only thing I will add is I think he will be looking for a spot where he is the clear cut lead back and not sharing time again so if a team signs him and appears to be a team where no big time share is imminent, it will probably be just that.
A few months from now people will forget about how he only got me 5 points last week and people will be talking in terms of his young age, how he played through a big injury, etc and the outlook will be positive.
Shutout
Footballguy
Likely in that Ahmad Bradshaw with the giants range...about 14-17 with steady upside.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I see him in Oakland. And looking damn good doing it. Around #12 in non ppr if that were the case - without considering other moves and rookies..
*I am not a Tate owner.
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Adam Harstad
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I believe he still leads the league in yards after contact per carry. He played very well early in the year, and has played very well in each of the past two years. I think when he hits free agency, teams will look at 2.5 years of strong play, and they'll look at 0.5 years of crappy play after breaking his ribs, and they'll take a chance on him anyway.
Like I said, all else being equal, it'd be better if Ben Tate was playing out of his freaking gourd right now... but in the end, I don't think his recent levels of suck are having a dramatic impact on what kind of action he's going to see on the open market.
Adam Harstad
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Assuming they don't draft anybody? I've got him at RB18 in my rankings right now, assuming a variety of possible landing spots. Cleveland would be one of the better ones that I'd expect, maybe enough to bump him up to RB15 or RB16.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I think he's looking at a contract around Michael Bush/Shonn Greene/S-Jax (Falcons)
I can see someone like Miami/Jax/Cleveland taking a look.
I can see someone like Miami/Jax/Cleveland taking a look.
I would like for him to resemble Michael Turner going to Atlanta years ago.
A new team needs to commit to him and I'm not sure that he's the sure bet some think he is. Someone recently told me how he and Arian are friends, close etc. Foster is worn down and he does get opportunity in Houston. They'll surely offer him a backup salary to stay.
I think next year we're going to say how come (some team) didn't just sign Tate and he'll stay in Houston.
I have no doubt teams like TEN, Indy and Jax respect his game playing in the same division and all, but why leave to share with MJD, TRich, or Green?
Him getting hurt as a backup is concerning toward his durability as a starter.
I'm not sure Foster has many 350 carry seasons left in him. Houston really needs to consider paying him
A new team needs to commit to him and I'm not sure that he's the sure bet some think he is. Someone recently told me how he and Arian are friends, close etc. Foster is worn down and he does get opportunity in Houston. They'll surely offer him a backup salary to stay.
I think next year we're going to say how come (some team) didn't just sign Tate and he'll stay in Houston.
I have no doubt teams like TEN, Indy and Jax respect his game playing in the same division and all, but why leave to share with MJD, TRich, or Green?
Him getting hurt as a backup is concerning toward his durability as a starter.
I'm not sure Foster has many 350 carry seasons left in him. Houston really needs to consider paying him
The only way he's returning to Houston is if they cut Foster and decide to pay him instead.
Key points from this article:http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/12/ben-tate-houston-texans-acupuncture/
At the beginning, Tate says he got into shouting matches with Foster, who went undrafted out of Tennessee in 2009 and was on a minimum contract.
“When I first got here he wouldn’t help me with none of the plays,” Tate says. “I was a second-rounder and he was undrafted, so he wasn’t really trying to help me. Despite all that, all the arguments, all the times I wanted to beat him up, we have become friends.”
Tate’s relationship with Johnson is different. He sees potential in the younger, smaller back from Arkansas. Tate says he tutors him on the playbook, but when it’s game time he’s not coming out, no matter what.
Do you want to be a Texan?
“That’s a tough question to answer. I can’t say, ‘No, I don’t want to be here.’ But I can’t say I do want to be here, because they invested in Arian,” Tate says. “I feel as though I’m just as talented, I can do the same things he does, so where do I fit in?
“My time in this game is limited. I’m 25. I’m in my prime for the next three years. So I want to be somewhere where I can utilize that. I’ve said it before, I don’t work this hard to be anyone’s backup. That’s just not why I play this game.”
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