2016 Oakland Raiders thread (1 Viewer)

[DocHolliday]

Vegas is my 3rd choice, after Oakland and LA.Sna

Antonio and San Diego are way below those 3.

And London is a nightmare scenario.

Vegas is my 1st choice now. I do not want to share a stadium with Kroenke and Kroenke does not want the Rams to share LA with the Raiders because he knows the fanbase will favor the Raiders. Any deal he would make with the Raiders would make us a second class citizen in our own stadium. To me, that is worst than having a third class crappy stadium shared with a baseball team. As I stated before, I think Vegas would breath a lot of new life into the franchise. The stadium would be better than anything else we will get anywhere else. It is a tax friendly state so it helps in FA. It is an entertainment mecca that no other city has anything like. It is near enough to existing fan base, would capture the market easily, be the only pro team in town and be a great place to go see an out of town NFL game.A new deal in Northern California. I don't think it has to be IN Oakland. Sacramento has been thrown out there but who knows if that sticks. I remember other Nor Cal locations being floated in the past. But somewhere in Nor Cal is my second choice.

SD is my next choice. Then SA. And I agree, a London move is down right nasty but I have never heard anyone use London and the Raiders in any kind of speculation that made any sense, so I am not worried about it.

Well written and the bolded should mean something to FAs.

Then trade for Manziel and it's a match made in heaven

The Raiders have an actual starting QB. Manziel is a headache and nothing more.

Oh, I know, but it would ease Manziel's commute

Pretty funny.

 

[Garrett]

"I saw the shadow first. Is that Wood? ... And then he came in like an angel." - DJ Hayden

https://vine.co/v/e0VOO0FUrxn

From my limited perspective, this the best Heisman ceremony of all time...

http://i.imgur.com/o3yioLK.jpg

...and then back it up down the road...

http://i.imgur.com/L7YSbye.jpg

I'm going to miss Charles.

http://i.imgur.com/Y2SzqNq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OHabC5e.jpg

...but he has fires to tend back home...

http://i.imgur.com/A573Sc9.jpg

Whatever else that comes to mind right now, is really set aside to process later.

Already, I really miss Charles Woodson playing in the NFL.

 

[Eminence]

I think you guys can make wildcard next year. Your offense is trending upwards. A few more defensive playmakers and you can start winning some games.

 

[Eminence]

I really like that Latavius Murray guy.

 

[drummer]

One more line of thought on SD since news has broke that there is an agreement in principle for the Chargers moving to LA.....

Sure, San Diegoans LOVE to hate the Raiders now but guess who they will hate even more when they move up North? Rams will own LA (though there will still be plenty of Raider Nation faithful there) and I think the Chargers will have a hard time winning market share in LA. They will be the Clippers to the Lakers in the 80's. While the Lakers sell out every game the Clippers had empty stands.

SD would support, largely, the Raiders. And the Chargers would become a second rate team struggling along. Which.... kind of makes me smile.

The Chargers are using LA as leverage for a new deal in SD. Same goes with the Raiders and Vegas. I believe the Raiders have a bigger fan base in LA than the Rams/Chargers combined. I also believe that the Chargers will lose a larger portion of their SD fan base by moving to LA. Ultimately I predict the Charger sstay in SD and the Raiders move to LA (barring some last minute miracle to build a stadium in Oak).

Besides leverage Mark could be using the Vegas card to passive-aggressively "get even" for how the LA decision went down. The talk of moving to Vegas seems ill conceived:

1. Temperatures in August/Sept are ridiculously hot. I find it difficult to imagine people will to go to day games when it is 108°.
2. The Vegas environment is fraught with vices that are easily accessible.
3. The place is not very scenic nor appealing for families

1) I am pretty sure any stadium would be domed.

2) Sure is. Then again, so is Los Angeles.

3) Vegas is a huge family destination. The casinos shifted their business models at least a decade ago away from gambling and towards restaurants, commerce, night life and entertainment. It is a huge family destination.

If Los Angeles had accessible Las Vegas vices, the people who live in Los Angeles wouldn't go to Las Vegas.

 

[kaso]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

 

[Chaka]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

 

[Chadstroma]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

 

[joey]

Stories bubbling up about the potential of the Raiders joining the 9ers in Levi stadium in Santa Clara. Seems like reporters digging up old storylines while the media descends upon Santa Clara for the super bowl. But, I gotta say, as a former NYer who grew up with the Jets and Giants sharing a stadium (and neither team being named after the area they actually played in) I'm not against the idea. Keeps them in the area, in shouting distance from the hardcore fan base.

The challenge is what would it COST the fans? Heard a story today at lunch from a 3rd generation 9ers season ticket holder with 50 yard line tickets, that they were able to retain their tickets in Levi...if they paid a PSL of $80-effin-K per seat. Yowza. No way an Oakland fan base can support that. But, then again, the stadium is already built and the 9er fans PSLs. Would they dare to double-dip and try to get Raider fans to pay a PSL-type fee for their seats? Doubtful (I hope) but I'd imagine the deal for the Raiders wouldn't be close to as sweet as the 9ers (of course) partly since the 9ers' faithful already paid a huge chunk of the funding with their PSLs. I imagine that's going to be a big part of the Rams/Chargers conversations to come to a deal.

Either way...thoughts on a 9er/Raider marriage at Levi's Stadium?

 

[kaso]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return.

Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

 

[Bruno2]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return. Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

Von Miller to replace Tuck and Eric Berry to replace Woodson would be nice.

 

[Chaka]

Stories bubbling up about the potential of the Raiders joining the 9ers in Levi stadium in Santa Clara. Seems like reporters digging up old storylines while the media descends upon Santa Clara for the super bowl. But, I gotta say, as a former NYer who grew up with the Jets and Giants sharing a stadium (and neither team being named after the area they actually played in) I'm not against the idea. Keeps them in the area, in shouting distance from the hardcore fan base.

The challenge is what would it COST the fans? Heard a story today at lunch from a 3rd generation 9ers season ticket holder with 50 yard line tickets, that they were able to retain their tickets in Levi...if they paid a PSL of $80-effin-K per seat. Yowza. No way an Oakland fan base can support that. But, then again, the stadium is already built and the 9er fans PSLs. Would they dare to double-dip and try to get Raider fans to pay a PSL-type fee for their seats? Doubtful (I hope) but I'd imagine the deal for the Raiders wouldn't be close to as sweet as the 9ers (of course) partly since the 9ers' faithful already paid a huge chunk of the funding with their PSLs. I imagine that's going to be a big part of the Rams/Chargers conversations to come to a deal.

Either way...thoughts on a 9er/Raider marriage at Levi's Stadium?

Levi stadium would be nice but how much would it cost Davis? By all accounts he is cash poor and considering the number being floated around for the Chargers to move into Kroenkeland is $500mil I wonder if it would be feasible for Davis to come up with a comparable amount of scratch to make the move to Levi (even with help from the NFL)?

And if he could come up with that kind of money why wouldn't it go to finance a new stadium instead?

 

[Chaka]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return. Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

Von Miller to replace Tuck and Eric Berry to replace Woodson would be nice.

And a pony.

 

[Chadstroma]

Stories bubbling up about the potential of the Raiders joining the 9ers in Levi stadium in Santa Clara. Seems like reporters digging up old storylines while the media descends upon Santa Clara for the super bowl. But, I gotta say, as a former NYer who grew up with the Jets and Giants sharing a stadium (and neither team being named after the area they actually played in) I'm not against the idea. Keeps them in the area, in shouting distance from the hardcore fan base.

The challenge is what would it COST the fans? Heard a story today at lunch from a 3rd generation 9ers season ticket holder with 50 yard line tickets, that they were able to retain their tickets in Levi...if they paid a PSL of $80-effin-K per seat. Yowza. No way an Oakland fan base can support that. But, then again, the stadium is already built and the 9er fans PSLs. Would they dare to double-dip and try to get Raider fans to pay a PSL-type fee for their seats? Doubtful (I hope) but I'd imagine the deal for the Raiders wouldn't be close to as sweet as the 9ers (of course) partly since the 9ers' faithful already paid a huge chunk of the funding with their PSLs. I imagine that's going to be a big part of the Rams/Chargers conversations to come to a deal.

Either way...thoughts on a 9er/Raider marriage at Levi's Stadium?

Dead issue as far as I am concerned. I can see them going to play there for a season or two if a deal was made with Oakland to build a new stadium but other than that- Mark does not want to be a tenant in someone else's stadium. And he is absolutely right- it would be a very bad move that would keep us perpetually hungry and in need of cash.

 

[Chadstroma]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return.

Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

He has been pretty consistent in looking for high character guys and/or looking for value signings. I don't think that changes and it by default fills that locker room veteran leadership role too.

 

[Chadstroma]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return. Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

Von Miller to replace Tuck and Eric Berry to replace Woodson would be nice.

Von Miller is not leaving Denver. Malik Jackson likely will and he is actually pretty similar to Tuck in build and play style. Not a huge big name but prob under rated and might be had for a good price- the type McKenzie likes. Eric Berry is much more of possibility in my view. Berry was still coming back last year so he might be signed for less than what his actual value is. Though teams may look at him different knowing he was out of football for a non-football injury and was working his way back in through the year. Not like that is a secret or anything. Anyways, I can see MacKenzie targeting him to fill our S needs.

 

[massraider]

When Bill Walsh used to do announcing, I remember one comment he made that applies here.

He said players cannot lead from the sideline. The team follows performers. This makes sense to me.

It is a shame to lose Tuck the same time as Woodson, but I dunno if he would have made the team. And if he was the last man on the depth chart, it's tough to be an impactful leader, I think. He might still be an example as a vet in the locker room, but really, all the young bucks have had two years to learn at his feet.

I'm not dismissing the loss of him, I just think the time is right. If Jelly, Mack etc. haven't learned how to be a pro by now, one more year won't help. Same with Woodson, although he was still playing at a high level, I would've loved if the ageless HOFer had stayed.

On defense, it's Mack's team. He's the alpha dog.

 

[Autumn Wind]

Article on PFT today basically confirming that the other NFL owners have it in for the Raiders because of lingering resentment towards Al. As I've said before, if I'm Mark Davis I give the league one more shot to do right by one of its iconic franchises. After that, I go full scorched earth. Lawsuits, throwing other owners under the bus in the media, you name it.

 

[Chadstroma]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return. Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

Von Miller to replace Tuck and Eric Berry to replace Woodson would be nice.

Von Miller is not leaving Denver. Malik Jackson likely will and he is actually pretty similar to Tuck in build and play style. Not a huge big name but prob under rated and might be had for a good price- the type McKenzie likes. Eric Berry is much more of possibility in my view. Berry was still coming back last year so he might be signed for less than what his actual value is. Though teams may look at him different knowing he was out of football for a non-football injury and was working his way back in through the year. Not like that is a secret or anything. Anyways, I can see MacKenzie targeting him to fill our S needs.

Saw some discussion about Malik. Guessing he gets around 12 Million deal- so maybe not as under the radar as I thought.... but the Raiders were mentioned as being a team that would target him. For whatever that means at this point in the quasi off-season.

 

[Chadstroma]

Article on PFT today basically confirming that the other NFL owners have it in for the Raiders because of lingering resentment towards Al. As I've said before, if I'm Mark Davis I give the league one more shot to do right by one of its iconic franchises. After that, I go full scorched earth. Lawsuits, throwing other owners under the bus in the media, you name it.

There is really two things at play: 1) Not liking Al and 2) Mark has no money. The owners are a collection of extremely wealthy people and many are veteran businessmen. Mark is neither.

I wouldn't put it past a few owners that they are hoping that Mark ends up in a situation that he has no choice but to sell.

I think the absolute best chance for Mark to move forward in ownership of the team in a way that does not put us in a disadvantage is the Las Vegas option. The winning plan is to throw more money into the development to make it not just a stadium but MORE (like how Inglewood was NFL studios etc). What does that look like? Not a 100% sure but a development of a Raiders hall of fame, museum, fan experience type thing that makes it an attraction on par with other things on the strip so year round it is part of Vegas and a destination. Basically, you have to make it appealing to the other owners. How does this represent some new shiny awesome thing for the NFL? Answer that and the owners will vote in your favor.

 

[massraider]

http://draftbreakdown.com/comparing-corners-floridas-vernon-hargreaves-iii-vs-clemsons-mackensie-alexander/

Solid write-up on two of the top corners.

 

[massraider]

Article on PFT today basically confirming that the other NFL owners have it in for the Raiders because of lingering resentment towards Al. As I've said before, if I'm Mark Davis I give the league one more shot to do right by one of its iconic franchises. After that, I go full scorched earth. Lawsuits, throwing other owners under the bus in the media, you name it.

The bombshell quote from that article was Bob McNair saying, regarding the LA vote: ''Oakland gets nothing. Al Davis used to sue us all the time.''

OK, fair enough. Al Davis cost the league money. I can't get mad at old-time owners being mad. The freaking Texans weren't even around when Davis was suing. Where does he get off being upset?

On top of that, there's this:

There’s been a lot of attention paid in recent months to where the Raiders are going to call home in the future.

According to a report from John McClain of theHouston Chronicle, they’ll likely be calling Mexico City home for one game next season. The Raiders are scheduled to host the Texans during the 2016 season and McClain reports that the game is expected to be played in Mexico’s capital.

Texans president Jamey Rootes said last year that the team wanted to be part of any games in Mexico, which is a natural place for them to try to grow their fanbase given the proximity to Houston.

“We’ve always expressed that we have an interest in participating internationally as a road team, we’ve made it clear that we were most interested in doing that in Mexico,” Rootes said. “It’s an amazing opportunity for teams and the league. Mexico City is a logical choice for a team like the Texans. We’d be a great ambassador for the league.”

NFL officials traveled to Mexico City last year to see if Azteca Stadium was prepared to host an NFL game, something it last did in 2005 when more than 100,000 people turned out to watch the Cardinals and 49ers. The league would like to expand their international slate of games beyond London, where three games will be played next season.

So they want to play in Mexico, but not lose a home game. So the plan is to take away a Raiders home game, and let Houston have an extra 'home' game, vs. the Raiders.

Texans have suddenly screamed to the top of my list as most hated non-AFC West teams, toppling the Patriots. F**K McNair and the Texans, right in the ear.

Funny part is, I don't care if the Raiders got to be Kroenke's tenant in LA, I would much rather have the team take a lesser deal in Oakland, at least we know the fans will be passionate. On top of that, I think that taking away a Raider home game, and sending them to Mexico, isn't the best move for the Texans. Those fans will be 50/50 Raider fans, at LEAST. Have these boneheads never seen a Raider home game? Lotta brown in those stands.

Fine with me, we already get an extra home game every year in San Diego, it'll be even better this year, with the Chargers in a lame duck season.

 

[Chaka]

Agree. You have to imagine that there will be plenty of Raider fans in Mexico City. Although I would guess that the Cowboys are the favored team overall in Mexico.

 

[Enderdog]

The best thing about a San Antonio move would be sticking it to Bob McNair and Jerry Jones.

 

[Chadstroma]

The best thing about a San Antonio move would be sticking it to Bob McNair and Jerry Jones.

In my view it is the only good thing about SA but at the same time it is why my least favorite potential scenario brought up at least to rumor level will never happen. McNair and Jones are power brokers in the NFL. You think they would let Mark who I would say has the least amount of influence with fellow owners to move to SA? Come on now.

If Mark was smart he would use it as leverage to get Jones and McNair on board to Vegas. That is about as much good as a potential move to SA will ever have.

 

[Hankmoody]

Justin Tuck announced his retirement. Combining the removal of Tuck and Woodson results in the loss of 35 years of football experience.

Apparently Tuck was also a big part of the reason that Aldon Smith signed with Oakland. I hope they keep him around in some capacity to keep Smith in the fold, and with his head screwed on right.

Good point. I forgot how much was made about Tuck being an influence of getting Aldon to us.

Very good point. Hopefully Aldon enjoyed being a Raider enough for him to return. Another thought is how these two departures change or impact how RM will approach free agency. The loss of the players on the field is one thing, but RM has shown in the past the need to bring in that veteran leadership. Any thoughts on how he targets to fill the sideline/locker room void?

Von Miller to replace Tuck and Eric Berry to replace Woodson would be nice.

Von Miller is not leaving Denver. Malik Jackson likely will and he is actually pretty similar to Tuck in build and play style. Not a huge big name but prob under rated and might be had for a good price- the type McKenzie likes. Eric Berry is much more of possibility in my view. Berry was still coming back last year so he might be signed for less than what his actual value is. Though teams may look at him different knowing he was out of football for a non-football injury and was working his way back in through the year. Not like that is a secret or anything. Anyways, I can see MacKenzie targeting him to fill our S needs.

Agree Miller is a pipe dream. I'd rather have Trevathan (UFA) or Marshall (RFA) (depending on compensation) anyway. Both would be big upgrades to Lofton, and would fit the mold of FA in the past few years not breaking the bank but getting young ascending guys for non-premium salaries.

 

[massraider]

The best thing about a San Antonio move would be sticking it to Bob McNair and Jerry Jones.

In my view it is the only good thing about SA but at the same time it is why my least favorite potential scenario brought up at least to rumor level will never happen. McNair and Jones are power brokers in the NFL. You think they would let Mark who I would say has the least amount of influence with fellow owners to move to SA? Come on now.

If Mark was smart he would use it as leverage to get Jones and McNair on board to Vegas. That is about as much good as a potential move to SA will ever have.

I actually don't believe SA is viable because of Jones and McNair. Both could easily get the votes to block.

i don't think Vegas is even real. I think Mark was there visiting Adelson, who was buddies with Al forever, and looking for some Oakland financing.

My completely uninformed guess is a new stadium in Oakland is where they wind up. I think Mark is trying to get the best deal possible, and as soon as he is sure Okaland won't cough it up, he makes another deal.

 

[Chadstroma]

The best thing about a San Antonio move would be sticking it to Bob McNair and Jerry Jones.

In my view it is the only good thing about SA but at the same time it is why my least favorite potential scenario brought up at least to rumor level will never happen. McNair and Jones are power brokers in the NFL. You think they would let Mark who I would say has the least amount of influence with fellow owners to move to SA? Come on now.

If Mark was smart he would use it as leverage to get Jones and McNair on board to Vegas. That is about as much good as a potential move to SA will ever have.

I actually don't believe SA is viable because of Jones and McNair. Both could easily get the votes to block.

i don't think Vegas is even real. I think Mark was there visiting Adelson, who was buddies with Al forever, and looking for some Oakland financing.

My completely uninformed guess is a new stadium in Oakland is where they wind up. I think Mark is trying to get the best deal possible, and as soon as he is sure Okaland won't cough it up, he makes another deal.

With what money? Not the Raiders. Not Oakland. What development deal would be appealing for outside money that also keeps the A's happy?

 

[madshot31]

If they move to London their home games would start at 6:30 AM PT. Talk about alienating the existing CA fanbase. No thanks.

Although, in London the American sports team that I saw with the most fans was by far the Raiders. This was before and after their games there. The people enjoyed the image the team represents.

 

[Chaka]

The best thing about a San Antonio move would be sticking it to Bob McNair and Jerry Jones.

In my view it is the only good thing about SA but at the same time it is why my least favorite potential scenario brought up at least to rumor level will never happen. McNair and Jones are power brokers in the NFL. You think they would let Mark who I would say has the least amount of influence with fellow owners to move to SA? Come on now.

If Mark was smart he would use it as leverage to get Jones and McNair on board to Vegas. That is about as much good as a potential move to SA will ever have.

I actually don't believe SA is viable because of Jones and McNair. Both could easily get the votes to block.

i don't think Vegas is even real. I think Mark was there visiting Adelson, who was buddies with Al forever, and looking for some Oakland financing.

My completely uninformed guess is a new stadium in Oakland is where they wind up. I think Mark is trying to get the best deal possible, and as soon as he is sure Okaland won't cough it up, he makes another deal.

With what money? Not the Raiders. Not Oakland. What development deal would be appealing for outside money that also keeps the A's happy?

1) Well they should have about $300 mil coming from the NFL and if Davis keeps pushing the San Antonio angle he may be able to finagle more.

2) I think many sources of outside money would be able to be convinced to develop a plot of land as part of a stadium/retail space project.

3) #### the A's

 

[massraider]

With what money? Not the Raiders. Not Oakland. What development deal would be appealing for outside money that also keeps the A's happy?

What do the A's have to do with anything?

 

[massraider]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

 

[Chadstroma]

The best thing about a San Antonio move would be sticking it to Bob McNair and Jerry Jones.

In my view it is the only good thing about SA but at the same time it is why my least favorite potential scenario brought up at least to rumor level will never happen. McNair and Jones are power brokers in the NFL. You think they would let Mark who I would say has the least amount of influence with fellow owners to move to SA? Come on now.

If Mark was smart he would use it as leverage to get Jones and McNair on board to Vegas. That is about as much good as a potential move to SA will ever have.

I actually don't believe SA is viable because of Jones and McNair. Both could easily get the votes to block.

i don't think Vegas is even real. I think Mark was there visiting Adelson, who was buddies with Al forever, and looking for some Oakland financing.

My completely uninformed guess is a new stadium in Oakland is where they wind up. I think Mark is trying to get the best deal possible, and as soon as he is sure Okaland won't cough it up, he makes another deal.

With what money? Not the Raiders. Not Oakland. What development deal would be appealing for outside money that also keeps the A's happy?

1) Well they should have about $300 mil coming from the NFL and if Davis keeps pushing the San Antonio angle he may be able to finagle more.

2) I think many sources of outside money would be able to be convinced to develop a plot of land as part of a stadium/retail space project.

3) #### the A's

1) $300 from the NFL and 'around' $300 from the Raiders.... pretty much a minimum amount for a modern no thrills small stadium is $900 million. The NFL is already committed to pitching in more than they normally do and I can tell you right now that there will be no more from the NFL.

2) Sure. If they can get something done that they believe makes them money. That is a tall order for the land in Oakland IMO.

3) Ok, sure... but reality is that they are a part of this equation. The city does not want to lose the A's. 81 games a year vs 10 including pre-season? There is a reason why the city favors the A's in negotiations.

 

[Chadstroma]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

I don't see Wilkerson. He will have a pricey tag on him and I am sure another team will be willing to offer more than the price disciplined MacKenzie. I thought Jackson might be more gettable but maybe not.

 

[massraider]

There's also talk that the Jets will franchise him, and maybe try and work a trade. That's a very, very tough thing to do, but I could see them franchising him.

Malik Jackson makes more sense for a lot more reasons: Played for Del Rio already, and also is from SoCal.

I think people forget that a lot of these free agents go to teams they have some connection with, this coach or that coach. A lot of free agents make a list before the season, and if you ain't on it, you ain't on it. I never thought we were on Suh's list last year.

As far as the money: This team needs to spend this year. They were interested in Murray, and offered Cobb 10 or 11 mill/per.

If Cobb is worth 10, Muhammad is worth 15.

 

[Chadstroma]

There's also talk that the Jets will franchise him, and maybe try and work a trade. That's a very, very tough thing to do, but I could see them franchising him.

Malik Jackson makes more sense for a lot more reasons: Played for Del Rio already, and also is from SoCal.

I think people forget that a lot of these free agents go to teams they have some connection with, this coach or that coach. A lot of free agents make a list before the season, and if you ain't on it, you ain't on it. I never thought we were on Suh's list last year.

As far as the money: This team needs to spend this year. They were interested in Murray, and offered Cobb 10 or 11 mill/per.

If Cobb is worth 10, Muhammad is worth 15.

It also works the other way where coaches want the GM to seek the players that they have connections with- they know their system, they are someone they know they can work with, they know there are no problems, etc.

 

[massraider]

By the way, Trumaine Johnson is from Stockton.

 

[Chadstroma]

By the way, Trumaine Johnson is from Stockton.

If you were from Stockton... would you EVER want to go back?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

I don't see Wilkerson. He will have a pricey tag on him and I am sure another team will be willing to offer more than the price disciplined MacKenzie. I thought Jackson might be more gettable but maybe not.

I have seen reports that MJ could command a salary in the neighborhood of $12 million per season. That doesn't necessarily rule out the Raiders. Reggie has shown a he will fork out the big bucks to pay for worthy talent. Remember the signing of Hudson? Made him among teh highest paid center's in the league.

Given JDR's familiarity with MJ they may pursue him.

My concerns are still edge defenders. Edward's availability is still a big question mark, and Aldon Smith is suspended for a greater portion of next season. We may need to invest heavily at the position in FA and/or the draft.

 

[Chadstroma]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

I don't see Wilkerson. He will have a pricey tag on him and I am sure another team will be willing to offer more than the price disciplined MacKenzie. I thought Jackson might be more gettable but maybe not.

I have seen reports that MJ could command a salary in the neighborhood of $12 million per season. That doesn't necessarily rule out the Raiders. Reggie has shown a he will fork out the big bucks to pay for worthy talent. Remember the signing of Hudson? Made him among teh highest paid center's in the league.

Given JDR's familiarity with MJ they may pursue him.

My concerns are still edge defenders. Edward's availability is still a big question mark, and Aldon Smith is suspended for a greater portion of next season. We may need to invest heavily at the position in FA and/or the draft.

A few more points on Aldon. There is no guarantee that he re-signs with us. Though his comments back when he got suspended seemed to heavily favor a return. Things like "I look forward to rejoining the team next year".

If he does, it is about mid year, right? He will have to restart trying to play into shape. He was not his former self leading up the suspension and wont be next year either- maybe by the end of the year he will be but that is about as much as you can expect from a guy who will be barred from the facility and practices until then.

 

[Chadstroma]

Penn is "a little disappointed" in the Raiders because they have not reached out to him. Per Scott Bair tweet.

 

[Chaka]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

I don't see Wilkerson. He will have a pricey tag on him and I am sure another team will be willing to offer more than the price disciplined MacKenzie. I thought Jackson might be more gettable but maybe not.

I have seen reports that MJ could command a salary in the neighborhood of $12 million per season. That doesn't necessarily rule out the Raiders. Reggie has shown a he will fork out the big bucks to pay for worthy talent. Remember the signing of Hudson? Made him among teh highest paid center's in the league.

Given JDR's familiarity with MJ they may pursue him.

My concerns are still edge defenders. Edward's availability is still a big question mark, and Aldon Smith is suspended for a greater portion of next season. We may need to invest heavily at the position in FA and/or the draft.

A few more points on Aldon. There is no guarantee that he re-signs with us. Though his comments back when he got suspended seemed to heavily favor a return. Things like "I look forward to rejoining the team next year".

If he does, it is about mid year, right? He will have to restart trying to play into shape. He was not his former self leading up the suspension and wont be next year either- maybe by the end of the year he will be but that is about as much as you can expect from a guy who will be barred from the facility and practices until then.

I think the NFL changed this rule last year.

 

[Chadstroma]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

I don't see Wilkerson. He will have a pricey tag on him and I am sure another team will be willing to offer more than the price disciplined MacKenzie. I thought Jackson might be more gettable but maybe not.

I have seen reports that MJ could command a salary in the neighborhood of $12 million per season. That doesn't necessarily rule out the Raiders. Reggie has shown a he will fork out the big bucks to pay for worthy talent. Remember the signing of Hudson? Made him among teh highest paid center's in the league.

Given JDR's familiarity with MJ they may pursue him.

My concerns are still edge defenders. Edward's availability is still a big question mark, and Aldon Smith is suspended for a greater portion of next season. We may need to invest heavily at the position in FA and/or the draft.

A few more points on Aldon. There is no guarantee that he re-signs with us. Though his comments back when he got suspended seemed to heavily favor a return. Things like "I look forward to rejoining the team next year".

If he does, it is about mid year, right? He will have to restart trying to play into shape. He was not his former self leading up the suspension and wont be next year either- maybe by the end of the year he will be but that is about as much as you can expect from a guy who will be barred from the facility and practices until then.

I think the NFL changed this rule last year.

I did not hear that.... but if his contracts expires and he can not sign until reinstated- it essentially is the same thing, no?

 

[Chaka]

Jason Cole says we will go after Malik Jackson.

Jason LaCanfora says we will go after Muhammad Wilkerson.

I don't see Wilkerson. He will have a pricey tag on him and I am sure another team will be willing to offer more than the price disciplined MacKenzie. I thought Jackson might be more gettable but maybe not.

I have seen reports that MJ could command a salary in the neighborhood of $12 million per season. That doesn't necessarily rule out the Raiders. Reggie has shown a he will fork out the big bucks to pay for worthy talent. Remember the signing of Hudson? Made him among teh highest paid center's in the league.

Given JDR's familiarity with MJ they may pursue him.

My concerns are still edge defenders. Edward's availability is still a big question mark, and Aldon Smith is suspended for a greater portion of next season. We may need to invest heavily at the position in FA and/or the draft.

A few more points on Aldon. There is no guarantee that he re-signs with us. Though his comments back when he got suspended seemed to heavily favor a return. Things like "I look forward to rejoining the team next year".

If he does, it is about mid year, right? He will have to restart trying to play into shape. He was not his former self leading up the suspension and wont be next year either- maybe by the end of the year he will be but that is about as much as you can expect from a guy who will be barred from the facility and practices until then.

I think the NFL changed this rule last year.

I did not hear that.... but if his contracts expires and he can not sign until reinstated- it essentially is the same thing, no?

That could be. I don't know how the NFL treats contracts with suspended players.

But I think they changed the banishment from team facilities thing with players currently on the roster.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I always thought barring teams from having contact with suspended players was extremely short-sighted. If anyone needs a support system, it is a player like Smith. Very ignorant approach to the issue.

 

[krsone21]

I always thought barring teams from having contact with suspended players was extremely short-sighted. If anyone needs a support system, it is a player like Smith. Very ignorant approach to the issue.

I always thought the same way as well.

 

[Chadstroma]

I always thought barring teams from having contact with suspended players was extremely short-sighted. If anyone needs a support system, it is a player like Smith. Very ignorant approach to the issue.

Agreed. I understand the reasoning- they want to take football away and not allow him to contribute to the team or the team contribute to him in football sense.

However, it would seem to me that the team would potentially be a source of support and could offer a lot of help to getting the player assistance for whatever issues he is dealing with. Teams have enormous resources and there are (or should be) a number of personal relationships that could be very important in helping the player.

 

[Hankmoody]

I always thought barring teams from having contact with suspended players was extremely short-sighted. If anyone needs a support system, it is a player like Smith. Very ignorant approach to the issue.

Agreed. I understand the reasoning- they want to take football away and not allow him to contribute to the team or the team contribute to him in football sense.

However, it would seem to me that the team would potentially be a source of support and could offer a lot of help to getting the player assistance for whatever issues he is dealing with. Teams have enormous resources and there are (or should be) a number of personal relationships that could be very important in helping the player.

I think the thought is more that is allows the player to have more time to get a chance to really reflect, focus on getting any needed help, and disrupt the routine/rut that got him there in the first place.

 

[Bruno2]

I always thought barring teams from having contact with suspended players was extremely short-sighted. If anyone needs a support system, it is a player like Smith. Very ignorant approach to the issue.

Agreed. I understand the reasoning- they want to take football away and not allow him to contribute to the team or the team contribute to him in football sense.However, it would seem to me that the team would potentially be a source of support and could offer a lot of help to getting the player assistance for whatever issues he is dealing with. Teams have enormous resources and there are (or should be) a number of personal relationships that could be very important in helping the player.

I think the thought is more that is allows the player to have more time to get a chance to really reflect, focus on getting any needed help, and disrupt the routine/rut that got him there in the first place.

I think the NFL needs to understand the traits of an addicted person. People who are addicted to a substance may care about the consequences of their actions but due to their addiction can't help it. You see this all the time with alcoholism. People keep drinking and drinking despite destroying their families and getting into legal troubles (DUIs etc). They can't stop because they are dependent on the alcohol to get through the day. People and players in this case NEED the support of their team, team mates and families to get better. It's imperative, especially for players like Aldon Smith.

 

[Hankmoody]

I always thought barring teams from having contact with suspended players was extremely short-sighted. If anyone needs a support system, it is a player like Smith. Very ignorant approach to the issue.

Agreed. I understand the reasoning- they want to take football away and not allow him to contribute to the team or the team contribute to him in football sense.However, it would seem to me that the team would potentially be a source of support and could offer a lot of help to getting the player assistance for whatever issues he is dealing with. Teams have enormous resources and there are (or should be) a number of personal relationships that could be very important in helping the player.

I think the thought is more that is allows the player to have more time to get a chance to really reflect, focus on getting any needed help, and disrupt the routine/rut that got him there in the first place.

I think the NFL needs to understand the traits of an addicted person. People who are addicted to a substance may care about the consequences of their actions but due to their addiction can't help it. You see this all the time with alcoholism. People keep drinking and drinking despite destroying their families and getting into legal troubles (DUIs etc). They can't stop because they are dependent on the alcohol to get through the day. People and players in this case NEED the support of their team, team mates and families to get better. It's imperative, especially for players like Aldon Smith.

There's a reason that rehab is closed and addicts don't work during rehab. It's to get the addict AWAY from the pattern of destruction they have established. The player's family, friends, and teammates can still support the player when he's not at the facility. But allowing the person to return introduces all the same old excuses - have to lift, have to work on routes, have to watch film, no time to go to meetings or sessions, no time to focus on problem, have to hang with the same guys I hung with to get here.