88-1496-11 & 106-1456-7 is not elite? What kind of numbers are you hoping MHJr is able to produce?
Yeah, I don’t know how anyone says AJB isn’t elite. Cmon
I literally engaged with you regarding total points and another poster provided statistics on PPG. Both are not at the top. I am not sure at this point if you are interested in an intelligent conversation or just trolling.
I have AJB outside the elite tier as well, if only by a smidge. However this argument of him not scoring 300 points is about as obtuse as it gets considering the last two years he’s scored 299 and 289 points.
300 isn't necessarily a threshold, but the players scoring above it are not just right at the 300 mark. Meno's PPG is the better way to look at it. Since that was already posted I didn't repeat it.
The last 3 years in my PPR leagues AJB had PPG:
13.675
18.1
18.2
The other WRs (above that 300 line):
Were scoring 20, 20, 21, 22, 22, 23, 23, 25 PPG
Kupp, Deebo, Adams, Jefferson, Hill, Lamb, and ARSB
You set the threshold at 300 when you said:
“Fantasy speaking he has never eclipsed 300 fantasy points.
A bar that Kupp, Deebo, Adams (2), Jefferson (2), Chase, T. Hill (2), Lamb, and ARSB all have as WRs the past few seasons.
Again, he is not in that elite tier”
The actual point here is the last few seasons, the elite fantasy WR scoring seasons are checking in with a range of about 330-400+ points. There are generally 3-4 players that hit that mark each year, but even within that tier there’s a pretty big gap between 330 and 400+. AJB has not reached that mark by any measurement, but he’s still in a separate pack from the more typical 200-250 point producer, of which there are many. So, he’s been a big difference maker, but also hasn’t reached that ultra elite producer tier.
I’ve always felt the community throws around WR1/WR2 etc way too loosely…like there’s 12 of each of them every year. There’s not. Last year for example I would say there were:
WR1: (2) Lamb, Tyreek
WR2: (1) ARSB (Keenan and Jefferson also by PPG)
WR3: (6) Puka, Nico, AJB, Moore, Evans, Chase
Etc and the tiers keep getting wider as you go along. Bottom line is we don’t put enough emphasis on that elite tier and the separation between it and the next couple.
So I’m sort of agreeing with you in general but when I see “never eclipsed 300 points” it’s like nails on a chalkboard because it’s an arbitrary figure and doesn’t get to the real point.
As to the trade…I don’t see AJB cracking the elite tier in Philly, so I can understand betting the 1.04 that whomever you draft at 1.01 might be able to. At worst, you’re probably getting extra 5 seasons of similar production as AJB, which is extremely valuable. I’d probably want to see landing spots before doing it, but I don’t think it’s an awful trade, particularly if you’re thinking the 1.04 is Bowers and not one of the 3 elite WR prospects.
It’s the kind of deal you could afford to do if you’ve built up a lot of value capital. At some point you have to win and the best way to do that is cash in value to maximize the weekly starting lineup.