styleride85
Footballguy
Fair enough, it is my fault for reading/believing the hype. But damn, did you guys sound confident on him being a great value this year lol Rough.
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RB Antonio Gibson, NE (5 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He was a great value.
Right up until the games started and he fumbled away his shot at relevance.I have him in 3 redraft leagues. One where I went zero RB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Also no one remembers my banging the table about Nico Collins being an amazing value all off-season.
30+ today.
FF do be like that.
30+ today.
FF do be like that.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Are you wanking your chain about another player? In a thread about a Gibson?
That’s weird dude. Be better.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just commenting on the irony, of getting killed on Gibson, but sure, I’ll own it. Sprained my wrist a little patting myself so imma go ice it. brb
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Don’t look now, Gibson just cracked the door open.
Gotta love that.
Gotta love that.
zamboni
Footballguy
How so - I’m only going off usage per the box score though.
Chaka
Footballguy
He had a very nice catch and run and ran smart & hard for a late first down.
Other than that it was clearly the Brian Robinson show and looks like it will continue to be going forward.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I was definitely wrong about Brian Robinson. Not a JAG.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s what I was referring to as it happened. Kept this game alive - big play at a big time. Hard nosed running.
Yes, it was the Robinson show. Trust is earned. That’s why I said he left the door cracked with that play.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Debating dropping him for Jayden Reed
Please let's do more of this. This defending every call to the death gets boring and ruins threads. Deleted a bunch of garbage posts here.
Be way more cool on stuff and really, it's ok to miss a call.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Would you drop him for Hunt?
markrc99
Footballguy
I don't think I would, if you're plug & punt at RB right now & like me you missed on Ford, I added Tony Jones. I watched that game the other night, neither OL could establish much of anything. That Saints DEF looked very good, meaning perhaps they hang around, the Packers have given up some on the ground. If Jones doesn't get scripted out perhaps he provides complimentary scoring for owners?
There's also the bum, Trey Sermon. We're all going to diss him but he's never unemployed for very long. That it's the Colts who picked him up is entirely due to Shane Steichen having been the OC in Philly. Not a STer, so if he's activated it's with a fair chance he could see some run.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
In my short bench 12 team PPR league, Gibson was dropped, which is not terribly surprising. The way RBs are dropping like flies, I picked him up as a bench stash. He’ll almost definitely need an injury to BRobJr to have fantasy value, but if that were to happen, he’d be an instant RB2. The talent is there, he just needs the opportunity.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I am almost positive Gibson is going to have a role and chances to shine this year. I think its crazy to drop him. He's proven he's capable of being a duel threat and put up big numbers, IF given the touches. I think he's trying to work his way more into the offense after that slow start.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I dunno. He had a good game. Jury’s still out on whether he’s JAG or not.
IIRC Waldman still sees his YPC as JAG-ish.
But he did look really good week 2.
zamboni
Footballguy
I'm surprised that Waldman would be focused on YPC, but maybe there's other info out there that we're not seeing. In any case, Robinson may not be the most efficient or talented RB, but it doesn't seem he's doing anything to make the coaching staff move away from him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It was on a casual discussion with another dude - I forget which. I had a head cold this week and was just watching various YT stuff. Came on after a breakdown of Howell’s game (which was really impressive) - basically saying Gibson was a hold, BRob averaged 3.x per carry, kind of a plodder.
To be fair I can’t recall if it was Waldman or the dude he was doing the call with, but I went back and watched some of the BRob game tape and I didn’t disagree with them. Robinson did some things well, others not as good.
I think Gibson gets some work this year. If he was dropped anywhere I’d think he’s worth a pickup if one has bench room to stash him.
zamboni
Footballguy
That’s fair. I think we fantasy guys tend to think we know what's best for a team, but we have no clue. What seems to be universal is that coaches hate when players put the ball on the ground, which is what Gibson obviously did early in game 1. Hopefully he can work himself out of the doghouse and get an opportunity to again show some of the explosiveness that can likely be an asset in this offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I do believe that long reception helped his cause - it was at an important part of the game, and Gibson made a big play at a big time.
We’ll see if he can earn more trust moving forward. It’s only been 2 games & there’s a lot of football left to play.
No doubt Gibson has been an epic disappointment so far, but it’s not like the Commanders dropped him.
Chaka
Footballguy
It has to be more than the one fumble. You don't just effectively bench a reasonably talented guy for two games after one fumble.
I suspect ball security has been an issue during practice too.
markrc99
Footballguy
Gibson had a nice catch & run last week. A 2nd & 14 to start the 4th, trailing Denver. Screen play that wasn't anticipated nor well diagnosed by the defense. Robinson had a couple of those himself. Below is every catch & carry from week 2. On two occasions Robinson was handed the ball & immediately devoured. Remove those 8 or 9 lost yards & he had more like a 16 for 96yd day. Which is 6yds a pop! Important to note, a lot of those were of the quick hitter variety. Notice on a number of runs, inside pulling of OL.
But little in the way of motion & misdirection in the backfield. A lot of show it & run it up inside. Plus, not one of those did they set Robinson deep & bring him. Those quick hitters are tough, Howell is in that semi-gun, the ball is snapped & every defender in the box explodes off the LOS. But what's Robinson doing? Yeah, he's standing there flat-footed waiting for Howell to stick the thing into his belly. Watch those rips Breece Hall had vs this defense & every one of those were with him set in deep-I formation. Now, a few his bigs plays were receptions.
I'm not trying to compare Robinson with the elusiveness of Hall. But what he could bring more of on those runs is power. But it's negated by design. The upside is that Robinson isn't being used like a hammer, which is a good thing. Given how he was utilized, I felt Robinson had a very good game last week.
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But little in the way of motion & misdirection in the backfield. A lot of show it & run it up inside. Plus, not one of those did they set Robinson deep & bring him. Those quick hitters are tough, Howell is in that semi-gun, the ball is snapped & every defender in the box explodes off the LOS. But what's Robinson doing? Yeah, he's standing there flat-footed waiting for Howell to stick the thing into his belly. Watch those rips Breece Hall had vs this defense & every one of those were with him set in deep-I formation. Now, a few his bigs plays were receptions.
I'm not trying to compare Robinson with the elusiveness of Hall. But what he could bring more of on those runs is power. But it's negated by design. The upside is that Robinson isn't being used like a hammer, which is a good thing. Given how he was utilized, I felt Robinson had a very good game last week.
Brian Robinson Jr Every Run and Catch @ Denver Broncos | 2023 Week 2 | Fantasy Football Film
Brian Robinson Jr RB Washington Commanders2023 Week 2 @ Denver BroncosRushing: 18 carries, 87 yards, 2 touchdownsReceiving: 3 targets, 2 receptions, 42 yards...
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zamboni
Footballguy
He's had ball control issues in the past too, which put him in the doghouse. This might just be a continuation of Rivera's disenchantment with him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - one of the league leaders IIRC
Football Jones
Footballguy
Robinson is a LONG ways from a JAG. That said, Washington has a below average OL, which as we all know, can really hamper a RB’s production. YPC is a notoriously overrated metric to use as an evaluation tool.
BRob is simply a better natural runner & has instincts Gibson will never have. I was once high on Gibby, myself, but sometimes players don’t rise up to expectations. Gibson has enough raw talent to be effective in spurts, but the quality long-term dynasty asset window has closed, IMO.
BRob is simply a better natural runner & has instincts Gibson will never have. I was once high on Gibby, myself, but sometimes players don’t rise up to expectations. Gibson has enough raw talent to be effective in spurts, but the quality long-term dynasty asset window has closed, IMO.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes, he had 6 fumbles on 300 touches in 2021. He has 2 fumbles on his subsequent 204 touches and 3 fumbles 410 other touches outside on 2021.
9 fumbles on 710 career touches doesn't seem prohibitively bad. It's not great but not a killer either.
I don't care what anyone says, his most recent fumble he took a right cross square to the chin. Looked exactly like a "push the button" shot in boxing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - watching the replay I thought “ding!”
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Saw the box score, he had limited touches yet of course fumbled. How bad was the fumble? Permanent dog house now?
dipandglide
Footballguy
Ty Montgibson
The Frankman
Footballguy
yeah we are starting to approach Drop City now, especially with Curtis Samuel playing more snaps and eating into the gadget role. He cannot keep fumbling like this...
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Dude has been donezo. He’s not the problem but he will be the scapegoat. Commanders finally exposed today and Sam Howell has a lot of growing up to do and fast
markrc99
Footballguy
Wow, what to expect going forward, I have no idea, none! But I'm pretty certain the hole Gibson is in, he dug himself! The analyst sounds like Louis Riddick, but I don't think it's him: "Spinning is great, once. But as soon you start to get into traffic that ball needs to go into protection mode." The replay below doesn't provide us a good look, but it appears worse than the last one, imo. Some owners were holding because of how thin their options are at RB. If you're hurting at RB like me, perhaps tomorrow you get the player you can & work a deal for a RB? Another possibility with Gibson is they move or cut him outright.
Taron Johnson and Terrel Bernard team up for Bills fumble recovery | Bills at Commanders
Buffalo Bills cornerback Taron Johnson's forced fumble vs. Washington Commanders running back Antonio Gibson results in fumble recovery by linebacker Terrel Bernard.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Anyone rolling Gibson tonight? I have a few spots where I could play him, once over M Sanders. I have watched all of the Bears games and their run D is next level bad. It’s one of the reasons I am little skeptical of what McLaughlin was able to do last Sunday. Thursday night games often bring more of a split in RB touches due to the short break.
Anyone having positive vibes about Gibson tonight?
Anyone having positive vibes about Gibson tonight?
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markrc99
Footballguy
Thank you for a very interesting point. Further to your point, I think Rodriquez' availability is in question.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I am rolling with him in 2 spots, once over M Sanders and another over Roschon Johnson. I have few more opportunities, but I'm not ready to go all in.
Proteus
Footballguy
I didn’t see the games but I’d really like to know if his recent uptick in production looks like it’s by design, or if it’s just a lucky couple of weeks that rolled his way.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He's been making some crucial plays. I still put it at 50/50 he has blackmail material on Rivera so I can't pretend to know if any of this is by design.
But he has looked good. Go figure.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He actually came through for me pretty big this weekend where I was a bit desperate.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Any thoughts on this guy headed into free agency? He was a hot item at one point in his career. Is he limited in skill or did Washington just not find a way to use him correctly? Seems like he would be a great McKinnon replacement in KC IMO.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
He's a bit of an enigma in my eyes. In college he was a YAC WR. They used him not too dissimilarly to how SF uses Deebo from what I recall. I think he had some good moments in Washington, but it was very game-plan dependent. The fact that Washington rarely had a good outlet TE because Thomas was always hurt, and the fact that we were often playing from behind set him up for some good numbers in garbage time, but from what I actually saw, he's just a guy...His speed is there (4.4 40-yard), but his elusiveness isn't anything like McKinnon in my opinion. He's far more of power guy. I was never impressed by his instincts, which isn't surprising for a guy who only had a handful of carries in college. He's not small by any stretch. I think he's over 6', and over 220 lbs. so he's bigger than your average RB.
I think in the right system, he's a decent supplemental weapon - a Liviska Shenault / Cordarelle Patterson type guy who can come in and who defenses have to account for and plan for, but not a guy who is going to take a game over. Despite being a college WR, he's not really a true "3rd down" back, and I doubt his splits weight towards playing more on 3rd down.
I think for Washington, he's going to cost more $$ to keep than they will be willing to pay unless Kingsbury has some grand plan for him, but with that said, I think he's still a weapon, and could do well in the right system.
