Killing the 6th leg of a $25 6-pick parlay, costing me $800I've been a critic of Watson in the past, but one thing I will never again question is his will to win. Those are nasty injuries he played with, and not only played, he led his team to a comeback victory over a team people were calling the best in the league.
That’s the dude I was shocked to see not get moved. WAS doesn’t need him & he’s shown out well as recently as last year. He’s gotta be better than PJ Walker.or Brisset
Such a bargain.$90M on SpotracThey paid Watson 16M this season. How did he hit 90?
3 yrs and about $130-$135M left on the contract
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Technically $45M in '22, mostly the signing bonus, then $46M this year in a "restructure" bonus.
Pretty sure the browns could have had the 1.01 with the picks they sent to Houston, and selected Stroud (presuming they’d take the “local” Guy).
I've been a critic of Watson in the past, but one thing I will never again question is his will to win. Those are nasty injuries he played with, and not only played, he led his team to a comeback victory over a team people were calling the best in the league.
Other than just a joke, Do you have any reason to actually think that’s the case?Such a bargain.$90M on SpotracThey paid Watson 16M this season. How did he hit 90?
3 yrs and about $130-$135M left on the contract
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Technically $45M in '22, mostly the signing bonus, then $46M this year in a "restructure" bonus.
Pretty sure the browns could have had the 1.01 with the picks they sent to Houston, and selected Stroud (presuming they’d take the “local” Guy).
It's the Browns. Young would have been their selection.
For Watson or for the Browns?Karma.
It’s a real itch isn’t it? For the team and him. I’d say more but I don’t want to get a time outKarma.
Money? How about all the draft capital? Look what Hou has turned it into already. This will go down as one of the worst trades ever from a pure football standpoint but when you ad in the off field issues involved with this whole thing it looks like one of the worst trades in nfl history. But the browns will browns no matter who’s there.Wasted their money on him IMO.
Well, they beat my Colts 39-38, in a game I attended, on 2 controversial calls at the end, so I hope they lose every game the rest of the yearMoney? How about all the draft capital? Look what Hou has turned it into already. This will go down as one of the worst trades ever from a pure football standpoint but when you ad in the off field issues involved with this whole thing it looks like one of the worst trades in nfl history. But the browns will browns no matter who’s there.Wasted their money on him IMO.
What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
if they get the browns to cover some of the cost, you never know. Raiders, I guess?What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
$45M per year left each of the next 3 seasons
uh......no one?What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
$45M per year left each of the next 3 seasons
For Watson or for the Browns?Karma.
Money? How about all the draft capital? Look what Hou has turned it into already. This will go down as one of the worst trades ever from a pure football standpoint but when you ad in the off field issues involved with this whole thing it looks like one of the worst trades in nfl history. But the browns will browns no matter who’s there.Wasted their money on him IMO.
No one. According to my source with the Eagles most teams backed off after realizing how unserious he was handling the whole issue. Eagles sent a PI team down to Houston to talk with Watson and they came back and told Howie and The owner Jeffrey Lurie basically F this guy he shows no remorse and isn’t taking this seriously. Most of his teammates they interviewed called him a terrible leader as well.What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
$45M per year left each of the next 3 seasons
I think the Raiders are somewhat smartening up on those thingsif they get the browns to cover some of the cost, you never know. Raiders, I guess?What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
$45M per year left each of the next 3 seasons
I'm liking what I see from O'Connell. He seems to be accurate with his receivers in stride. I see a lot of receivers in the NFL leave a lot of yardage on the field because their QB can't do that.I think the Raiders are somewhat smartening up on those thingsif they get the browns to cover some of the cost, you never know. Raiders, I guess?What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
$45M per year left each of the next 3 seasons
As long as they beat the colts, sounds great!Well, they beat my Colts 39-38, in a game I attended, on 2 controversial calls at the end, so I hope they lose every game the rest of the year
haterAs long as they beat the colts, sounds great!Well, they beat my Colts 39-38, in a game I attended, on 2 controversial calls at the end, so I hope they lose every game the rest of the year
Totally forgot that they had yet another pick coming. They must be glad they kept the browns pick and traded their own for big Willie.Not gonna lie potentially great news for TexansNation
Very although I assume Cardinals wanted Texans first thinking it would be a lock better pick.Totally forgot that they had yet another pick coming. They must be glad they kept the browns pick and traded their own for big Willie.Not gonna lie potentially great news for TexansNation
Worse. Rumor has always been Ryans wanted Will but the owners wanted CJ. They agreed to get both but also knew teams would load the box to come to three to get CJ and it’d have cost them more.Totally forgot that they had yet another pick coming. They must be glad they kept the browns pick and traded their own for big Willie.Not gonna lie potentially great news for TexansNation
Not worse. That’s almost enough to make me like a team. I only hope Ran and Mike work together like that.Worse. Rumor has always been Ryans wanted Will but the owners wanted CJ. They agreed to get both but also knew teams would load the box to come to three to get CJ and it’d have cost them more.Totally forgot that they had yet another pick coming. They must be glad they kept the browns pick and traded their own for big Willie.Not gonna lie potentially great news for TexansNation
So read it more like CJ is just as likely to be seen as 3 as Will. If they pick CJ at two, less teams were coming up to get Will than CJ was their bet. That also shows a bit of why they were ok giving a lot up, not just for Anderson but to secure the dual package.
Literally no one outside Clevland was talking to Hou by the time that trade happened
Nah. They really traded up to get Stroud. He woulda cost more if they took Anderson first and didn’t eliminate some of the bidders.Money? How about all the draft capital? Look what Hou has turned it into already. This will go down as one of the worst trades ever from a pure football standpoint but when you ad in the off field issues involved with this whole thing it looks like one of the worst trades in nfl history. But the browns will browns no matter who’s there.Wasted their money on him IMO.
Meh. Casserio has blown most of those picks i.e. Kenyon Green, Metchie and trading the farm for Will Anderson who is good but not worthy of all those picks.
Really? Dude's a f******g sexual predator... I hope his arm falls off.24th ranked QB... ask your Owner & GM.Why can't we have nice things?
#1 in our hearts, so go suck an egg!!!!
My thoughts exactly. Watson got away with his crimes and Cleveland rewarded it. They both got what they deserve.For Watson or for the Browns?Karma.
Both. Watson for the act and the Browns for rewarding the behavior.
I don’t know why the Raiders were named. They were never interested in Watson. Sorry Browns fans. No team is taking Watson off your hands and the team is stuck with this disaster.I think the Raiders are somewhat smartening up on those thingsif they get the browns to cover some of the cost, you never know. Raiders, I guess?What teams would trade for Watson right now?Wasted their money on him IMO.
$45M per year left each of the next 3 seasons
Bro, I feel the pain. Had a very similar scenario, $20 6 leg parlay where I bought up the alternate spreads for the 49ers and the Cowboys (had them -28.5 lol) and pushed the odds to give me a +$1k payout and it was taken down by what I thought was the gimme pick, Ravens money line. Least I hit my same game parlay on the Detroit Chargers game where I just bet the overs on about everything you could haha. Yards for Goff, Herbert, ARSB, Allen, and total score. My leg for the Detroit win was voided since it was flat 3, but still brought home $400 or so.Killing the 6th leg of a $25 6-pick parlay, costing me $800I've been a critic of Watson in the past, but one thing I will never again question is his will to win. Those are nasty injuries he played with, and not only played, he led his team to a comeback victory over a team people were calling the best in the league.
Baltimore had a double digit lead headed to the 4th. LJax pick-6 was a nightmare.
how dare you confuse this conversation with facts.Literally no one outside Clevland was talking to Hou by the time that trade happened
This isn't correct.
Atlanta, Carolina and Cleveland all had to come to agreement of basic terms of a trade meeting Houston's requirements, BEFORE any of them were granted permission to talk to Deshaun. All three did.
Then Deshaun didn't like Cleveland's offer and word was they were out of the running. He was still talking to Carolina and Atlanta, with word that Atlanta was where he would end up, when Cleveland offered the ridiculous contract to get Watson to reconsider.
But 3 teams had agreed in principle to similar trades. It was the contract that differed.
The Cleveland Browns released a statement saying QB Deshaun Watson’s shoulder surgery was “deemed successful.”
Watson underwent surgery on his right shoulder as the team announced his rehab process will begin Friday. He is expected to make a full recovery prior to the beginning of the 2024 season. Watson’s injury status went through a rollercoaster of a 2023 season, with the Browns finally shutting him down after a Week 10 win over the Ravens. His massive contract still lingers for the Browns, who have paid him almost $91 million for 11 games in two seasons now. The team will next get to see Watson in action at the start of the 2024 season, barring setbacks.
They were 5-1 in games he started this season. 4-1 if you wanna toss out v IND where he got hurt (but started).
He beat CIN, BAL, ARI, TEN, as a starter.
I know we hate him around here, but he was winning games.
The upside was the best QB in the NFL for 4-5 weeks. How is that too low?There's no controversy. It's Watson.
Flacco won't be on the team next year.
We saw the real Flacco this weekend. Love what he did for us, but his upside is quite low, sorry to say
Joe wasn’t. Lamar was and it isn’t close.The upside was the best QB in the NFL for 4-5 weeks. How is that too low?There's no controversy. It's Watson.
Flacco won't be on the team next year.
We saw the real Flacco this weekend. Love what he did for us, but his upside is quite low, sorry to say
If it was t even “close”, please explain to me which QB had a better last 5 weeks of the season, and by what metric.Joe wasn’t. Lamar was and it isn’t close.The upside was the best QB in the NFL for 4-5 weeks. How is that too low?There's no controversy. It's Watson.
Flacco won't be on the team next year.
We saw the real Flacco this weekend. Love what he did for us, but his upside is quite low, sorry to say
He probably shoulda thrown 5 more ints. There was certainly some luck involved.The upside was the best QB in the NFL for 4-5 weeks. How is that too low?There's no controversy. It's Watson.
Flacco won't be on the team next year.
We saw the real Flacco this weekend. Love what he did for us, but his upside is quite low, sorry to say
For one, 12/2 vs 13/8If it was t even “close”, please explain to me which QB had a better last 5 weeks of the season, and by what metric.Joe wasn’t. Lamar was and it isn’t close.The upside was the best QB in the NFL for 4-5 weeks. How is that too low?There's no controversy. It's Watson.
Flacco won't be on the team next year.
We saw the real Flacco this weekend. Love what he did for us, but his upside is quite low, sorry to say
Let’s say he led the league in TD passes and yardage during that stretch. You feel that ceiling is too low? Then add that he had a 2.5MIL contract, which is $50MIL less/year than Lamar, is the ceiling still too low. Without looking, I think the Browns had 4 starting QBs this year and none of the other 3 came remotely close to the production that Flacco had. I get that he is older, but production is production.For one, 12/2 vs 13/8If it was t even “close”, please explain to me which QB had a better last 5 weeks of the season, and by what metric.Joe wasn’t. Lamar was and it isn’t close.The upside was the best QB in the NFL for 4-5 weeks. How is that too low?There's no controversy. It's Watson.
Flacco won't be on the team next year.
We saw the real Flacco this weekend. Love what he did for us, but his upside is quite low, sorry to say
Another, one playoff team (4 seed) beat vs 3 (1, 6, 6)
Joe was a great story. Many of us were cheering for him and he managed to get us to actually want the Browns to win (that’s a Superman feat) but he didn’t play as great as his FF stats would lead us to think. I know I enjoyed the story. I started him most of those weeks and he helped get me into the championship.