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We can play around with any combination of things to try to prove a point. Since 2000, 24 of 48 quarterbacks that played in the SB were first round picks and 24 of 48 were not first round picks. Obviously, TB12 accounted for 10 of the 24, but the point is that half the time in more recent times one of the QBs has not been a first round pick.
4 of them
I still think another correlation is QB pay / salary cap hit. Mahomes and Stafford had big paychecks in the last couple of Super Bowls, but IIRC, other SB winning QBs were generally not at the top of the market. I know people have discussed and debated this, but I will put that on my things to do list to research more thoroughly (if I can dig up the salary data).
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Like anything else, a small sample size can skew things. IMO, what Yahoo researched would not hold true going back to the start of the salary cap / free agency era in 1994 (essentially triple the data set they used). Also, I believe there is a correlation to getting to conference games and the SB (ie, Final Four teams . . . not just SB winning teams). That's set is 4 times the data. So 3 x 4 = 12 times the data. Will have to dig into this more in the off season.
It's extremely limited data, but are you as interested in the data about QB's that run for 700-1000 yards per year to be effective and how well they age?
That's good stuff.
I was wondering if anyone would ever make a Michael Vick comparison, only one I can think of.It's extremely limited data, but are you as interested in the data about QB's that run for 700-1000 yards per year to be effective and how well they age?
I've been through that in this thread and you didn't seem to be as much of a stat lover then.
I believe this conversation started with somebody saying Sam Howell will never amount to anything because he was a 5th round pick. Maybe he won't, but he wouldn't be the first. Jackson would absolutely be the first 1000 yard running QB to be worth a massive deal into his 30's.
I'm not saying Sam won't or that Lamar won't. Just pointing that somebody has to bet $230 mill guaranteed (and 2 1st round draft picks) for Lamar to do something that has never been done before.
Someone on NFL Network a few days ago summed it up succinctly IMO when they said a big part of Lamar's ability is his mobility and that's a rapidly declining asset.
I just heard on the Rob Parker radio show on FOX that Lamar is a "sure thing" versus draft picks..... Lamar has missed ~1/3rd of the game sthe last 2 seasons? And worse post November?
That he's in his first day of talking to other teams?
Riiiiight
Not sure what you mean by 22 points. In Jackson's 4 career playoff starts, the Ravens averaged 13 ppg. Do you mean Lamar averaged 22 fantasy ppg in the playoffs?
Riiiiight
Patience? His best deal past him by imo.
Blacklisted - from playing the meaningful part of the last 2 seasons? Fair. From scoring more than 20 points in a playoff game? I dig it.
Thank you for the correction. Point made = stronger.
Jacoby Brissett is his own agent and just got the best deal he's ever had, based on about 3/4 of last season's play. So it's not automatic that someone working as his own agent is screwing up.
It’s like hiring a real estate agent, no offense to any out there. You’re just throwing insane amounts of money away based off a practice that was done far before technology and the internet/education made it feasible for everybody who is mildly intelligent to do it. Lamar doesn’t need an agent, he just has to know what his market value is.
Negotiating your contract is one thing. There is a lot of boilerplate language available and, if you put the work in, you can learn the rest. It's a smart move for a guy like Brissett.
Who? Brissett or Jackson?
I thought I was clear on that.
This isn't true (his contract with the Colts was certainly better), but even if it were it wouldn't necessarily mean he was better off being his own agent. And, even if both were true, that wouldn't necessarily apply to Lamar and his vastly different situation.
Seriously??
an agent might be worth it to Lamar if only to provide him with some sort of reality check on his market value by someone at least less biased
You are right about endorsement deals, I didn’t consider that, was only talking contracts but that’s pretty spot-on for a player of his caliber.
NFL player endorsement deals are not as lucrative as some assume unless you are Tom Brady or Pat Mahomes or from a big Market with a rabid following like Dak or a SB winner like Matt Stafford, Rodgers, or Russ Wilson.
It is fairly obvious to us now that this is exactly where his mistakes occurred. And exactly why a real estate agent hates to have the owner present when showing a house.
Wasn't in the top-ten when the list was made last year and the bottom ten was in the $1 million dollar range.
So you're trying to argue that this generational talent/unanimous MVP deserves to be the highest paid player in NFL history, but he would only be worth a fraction of what these inferior QBs are in endorsements (also, see how much Cam made)? And you account for his entire contract for his "savings" from not using an agent but only 1 incredibly underestimated year for what he would have earned in endorsements in your "comparison?"
I think I found the source of your numbers (yahoo), which are estimates of course but good enough. I think you miss the importance of social media presence when determining potential endorsement value.
), Rodgers (4.6m) & Brady (3m). Had he capitalized in his earlier success he would likely be closer to $8-10 mil/year today.
Wilson seemed to be more interested in celebrity life, with football being his launch point. His book was unimpressive.I think I found the source of your numbers (yahoo), which are estimates of course but good enough. I think you miss the importance of social media presence when determining potential endorsement value.
He almost doubles up Allen with 1.1m twitter followers and has almost 10x Stafford's 12k followers. He falls short of Dak (1.5m), Mahomes (2.2m) and Wilson (5.6m
Heck, Matt Ryan Drew $10 mil/year for a couple after his MVP season.
Managing social media engagement is another value add agent's bring to the table.
Why isn't Lamar's mug all over billboards and magazine full pages in Japan slinging whiskey or Tag Heuer watches?
Because he doesn't have an agent.
But, apparently you read it.Wilson seemed to be more interested in celebrity life, with football being his launch point. His book was unimpressive.I think I found the source of your numbers (yahoo), which are estimates of course but good enough. I think you miss the importance of social media presence when determining potential endorsement value.
He almost doubles up Allen with 1.1m twitter followers and has almost 10x Stafford's 12k followers. He falls short of Dak (1.5m), Mahomes (2.2m) and Wilson (5.6m
Heck, Matt Ryan Drew $10 mil/year for a couple after his MVP season.
Managing social media engagement is another value add agent's bring to the table.
Why isn't Lamar's mug all over billboards and magazine full pages in Japan slinging whiskey or Tag Heuer watches?
Because he doesn't have an agent.
Yes, I did. Recommend others learn from that mistake.But, apparently you read it.Wilson seemed to be more interested in celebrity life, with football being his launch point. His book was unimpressive.I think I found the source of your numbers (yahoo), which are estimates of course but good enough. I think you miss the importance of social media presence when determining potential endorsement value.
He almost doubles up Allen with 1.1m twitter followers and has almost 10x Stafford's 12k followers. He falls short of Dak (1.5m), Mahomes (2.2m) and Wilson (5.6m
Heck, Matt Ryan Drew $10 mil/year for a couple after his MVP season.
Managing social media engagement is another value add agent's bring to the table.
Why isn't Lamar's mug all over billboards and magazine full pages in Japan slinging whiskey or Tag Heuer watches?
Because he doesn't have an agent.
I agree with that if it's a good agent.
Or it could be his personal choice. There are a few NFL players who don't do what's expected to maximize their value. Remember all the crap Joe Thomas took on this board and elsewhere for not attending the NFL draft. He chose to go fishing with his dad instead. People are different.
