That’s it.Definitely not. I don't support Young on this one, either.
I have no problem with Rogan being on Spotify, and no problem with people pointing out Rogan is giving a stage to clowns, and pushes bad info.
If they remove Rogan, you will still be able to hear Rogan. Rogan used to NOT be on Spotify, and you were able to hear him. He managed to become the biggest podcast in the country without Spotify, so pretty sure it wouldn't hurt him one bit
Local school boards and elected officials, not the same as Neil Young.That’s it.
What I find puzzling is we have a “book banning thread” (and it’s not really banning as the books are widely available through many mediums) where people, myself included, seem to be pretty unanimous in support that it’s the wrong direction. Period. You included Massraider.
But here, there’s this soft defense of “well yah but it’s Neil Young’s right to try to get Rogan cancelled”. I don’t see that in the other thread.
Everyone knows Young has the right, but it’s interesting when the context changes of the issue…people aren’t quite as upset with the poisonous approach of individuals using their leverage to cancel content. Canceling not good…period.
Aren't the book bannings generally being performed by public entities?That’s it.
What I find puzzling is we have a “book banning thread” (and it’s not really banning as the books are widely available through many mediums) where people, myself included, seem to be pretty unanimous in support that it’s the wrong direction. Period. You included Massraider.
But here, there’s this soft defense of “well yah but it’s Neil Young’s right to try to get Rogan cancelled”. I don’t see that in the other thread.
Everyone knows Young has the right, but it’s interesting when the context changes of the issue…people aren’t quite as upset with the poisonous approach of individuals using their leverage to cancel content. Canceling not good…period.
rumors of Yoko Ono jumping on the train as well
He's probably the only one.I suppose there could be side benefit from publicity and such. And I'm sure he'd land somewhere else.
But I don't know any podcaster who would say being kicked off of Spotify wouldn't hurt their business/brand/revenue.
Thats it. Goodbye Spotify.rumors of Yoko Ono jumping on the train as well
I understand the argument against "cancelling", but this really seems to be a two-way street in most cases. People are arguing that Neil Young should shut up and be quiet.
His numbers were reportedly down after making the switch. I don’t think the show would miss a beat being deplatformed from spotifyHe's probably the only one.
And in fact, going on Spotify exclusively might have lessened his reach.
https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/08/25/joe-rogan-influence-diminished-move-spotify-verge-reports
But I'm not trying to make the point that leaving Spotify wouldn't hurt someone's business. Rogan an outlier.He's probably the only one.
And in fact, going on Spotify exclusively might have lessened his reach.
https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/08/25/joe-rogan-influence-diminished-move-spotify-verge-reports
He's probably the only one.
And in fact, going on Spotify exclusively might have lessened his reach.
https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/08/25/joe-rogan-influence-diminished-move-spotify-verge-reports
Which also means that they should be careful not to do anything that hurts the business/brand/revenue of Spotify. Capitalism is a two way street.I suppose there could be side benefit from publicity and such. And I'm sure he'd land somewhere else.
But I don't know any podcaster who would say being kicked off of Spotify wouldn't hurt their business/brand/revenue.
Absolutely nobody is arguing that Neil Young should shut up. He can say Rogan is a lunatic all he wants.People are arguing that Neil Young should shut up and be quiet. Isn't that cancelling in the opposite direction.
Exceptional point.Which also means that they should be careful not to do anything that hurts the business/brand/revenue of Spotify. Capitalism is a two way street.
The issue with this becomes the other platforms he used prior to get big could/would? follow suit. YouTube and the apple podcast app were essential to his growth.His numbers were reportedly down after making the switch. I don’t think the show would miss a beat being deplatformed from spotify
Which also means that they should be careful not to do anything that hurts the business/brand/revenue of Spotify. Capitalism is a two way street.
Yeah God knows what drug addled conspiracy theory he subcribes to. I don't need rock stars moralizing about anything to me.Yah, just want to register that its people like Neil Young that I want deciding what I’m able to listen to.
Not sure what censorship or the government have to do with anything here.Do you want Donald Trump deciding who gets banned for spreading misinformation?
Is it? Because as soon as Rogan costs them more than he makes them, he's gone. Not for any social justice but for cold cash.Of course. Is anyone saying differently?
But that brings up a bigger point.
I totally agree they have to look after/steward the business/brand/revenue of Spotify.
But that's very different from making the most money they can.
This is an excellent post, and I was going to post something along the lines of the bolded part.I don't understand how these people are so upset with Joe Rogan. Imagine thinking vaccine hesitancy was his fault, and not these huge medical/pharmaceutical/government institutions that blew their own credibility over the years. It's not Joe Rogan's fault that people don't trust them anymore. Biden's pandemic response has been an absolute failure. Three thousand people died of coronavirus yesterday but the best form of activism they can come up with is to cancel their spotify membership over Joe Rogan.
Should Fauci have been deplatformed for discouraging masks in 2020? I don't think so- people should be their own arbiters for the information they receive and act upon.
As for Spotify, they will do whatever they feel is in their financial interest. Personally I think they should keep Rogan and argue that their platform is open so long as people aren't explicitly calling for violence or violating a relaxed terms of service. I don't listen to his show except for little blurbs on youtube here and there, but I have been using spotify for a long time.
Exactly. Why anyone is surprised or outraged by Rogan is baffling. This is Rogan. This is Jerry Seinfeld saying he's done with Netflix because Jesilnik is on it and he makes fun of killing babies...... like really?This is a tough one. Much like Twitter deciding that they can’t allow certain posts to be up.
Part of the JRE has always been that he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about with his many of his guests because he has such a wide variety of people and they talk for like 3 hours.
With this Covid stuff the stakes are a bit higher.than when he’s talking to a chef about sous vide deer meat.
IMO they need to flag episodes somehow. If artists want to leave, so be it. I’d prefer that it didn’t come to that.
And I can't bold things anymore. Which is annoying.Exactly. Why anyone is surprised or outraged by Rogan is baffling. This is Rogan. This is Jerry Seinfeld saying he's done with Netflix because Jesilnik is on it and he makes fun of killing babies...... like really?
But if Jerry gets a few more big names to follow him that are current stars? Jesilnik is gone.
Yes, we need to silence Joe Rogan.
I can’t even comprehend thinking that’s remotely close to something we should do. There’s s #### ton of harmful movies, songs, books we should ban while we’re at it.
And if misinformation is the bar, most of the leadership of the CDC and NIH while we’re at it.
Funny thing is the folks that want to ban Rogan or think he’s bad were probably in the “Rage Against The Machine” crowd in their 20’s
No matter the content?Absolutely nobody is arguing that Neil Young should shut up. He can say Rogan is a lunatic all he wants.
It is possible to believer that AND simultaneously say that him and anybody else that uses their economic leverage to try to cancel the speech of others is not good. Before you go there, I’m not saying it is not legal, I’m saying it is bad for us, it is the wrong direction.
In the long run they might be one in the same.Of course. Is anyone saying differently?
But that brings up a bigger point.
I totally agree they have to look after/steward the business/brand/revenue of Spotify.
But that's very different from making the most money they can.
Everyone knows removal of the bold option is a precursor to deplatforming.And I can't bold things anymore. Which is annoying.
These things take time. In 2015 Young put out an anti- gmo propaganda album. Should that piece of misinformation be removed from spotify?I did not listen to Dr. Malone`s interview so I have no idea what he said.
Science changes, new things are discovered over time, things are proven and disproven
as we have more data to access and bigger sample sizes.
If any of Malones views are proven to have some merit, then what?
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These things take time. In 2015 Young put out an anti- gmo propaganda album. Should that piece of misinformation be removed from spotify?
This is interesting question and I come on the side that comedians, artists should get very wide area to work in. If people don’t like it, tough ####. Don’t listen or support it. Rogam doing these interviews kind of skirts this definition for me.The better question is do you think it’s healthy for entertainers to try to cancel the content of other entertainers.
Is it? Because as soon as Rogan costs them more than he makes them, he's gone. Not for any social justice but for cold cash.
And I'm sure he'd land somewhere else.
They don’t have to remove him either. There is a middle ground where they decide paying $100 million for the exclusive rights is no longer worth it as Rohan descends further down this pathIs it? Because as soon as Rogan costs them more than he makes them, he's gone. Not for any social justice but for cold cash.
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These things take time. In 2015 Young put out an anti- gmo propaganda album. Should that piece of misinformation be removed from spotify?
Then why is Spotify paying $100 million for exclusivity?Its a podcast. Its available on other platforms right now.
Isn't there an argument that looking after and stewarding the brand is just taking a long run view towards making the most money one can?Yes. I think it is.
I think looking after and stewarding the business/brand/revenue of Spotify or any business is very different from simply making the most money they can.
But I'm also fully open to the idea I've been doing business wrong for all this time. The CEO of Spotify is a zillion times more successful than I am by most measures.
Can we just agree to not have to change auto-correct each time and we’ll just call him Rohan for the rest of the thread.They don’t have to remove him either. There is a middle ground where they decide paying $100 million for the exclusive rights is no longer worth it as Rohan descends further down this path
Ethically, I think Spotify should tell Rogan to cut it out with the blatant misinformation.
Then why is Spotify paying $100 million for exclusivity?
Here: https://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=5101Without getting it to the argument of Covid misinformation was there some specific comments made by Rogan that led to this or just a accumulation of guest or something?